Blog Bits

July 9th, 2008 at 11:49 am by David Farrar

Not PC looks at some quotes from Green Party candidates such as how the solution to Maori smoking is to honour the Treaty of Waitangi.

JafaPete makes an apology to .

Tumeke opens a book on the 2008 election date. I was one of a dozen ro so who correctly picked the date last time. My pick at this stage is 8 November.

Whale Oil compares some quotes:

Isn’t it funny how people keep repeating things because they just need to convince themselves that despite all evidence to the contrary they are actually right?

John Howard was one of them.

“Mr Howard has predicted the poll margin will narrow once the election is called”

and Helen Clark is another.

“I believe that in the home straight before the election itself the polls will begin to narrow.”

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27 Responses to “Blog Bits”

  1. jafapete (766 comments) says:

    More well-meaning eccentricity from the Greens, speculation from TUMEKE! and another non sequitur from whaleoil. Oh, and an apology from me. Business as usual then.

    BTW, 8 November is my pick too. No doubt some here will be saving a few fire crackers…

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  2. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    I read that piece by Jafaboy (its gone now) wherein he made allegations concerning Labour’s current targets of smear and innuendo, and I could see so much in there that I thought was pretty reckless. Not the least being a reference to an article that he claimed proved his allegation that TC had lied, when the article didn’t say that at all.

    Strange case that Jafaboy. Can write and express himself quite lucidly, occasionally demonstrates that he’s a little more up the intelligence scale than the average leftist knuckle dragger, and sometimes even hints at the fact that he may have a sense of humour and wit. Yet simultaneously seems so totally under the spell of leftism. Buys into all the leftist legends and myths and lies and propaganda and dutifully and mindlessly spits out all the approved doctrine. Puzzling and weird.

    Still, I guess as Ann Coulter says, if they weren’t so afflicted, they’d be Conservatives. Just doesn’t seem to be any real cure for leftist brain rot, especially when it gets to such an advanced stage.

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  3. david c (254 comments) says:

    Holy Crap Redbaiter, that was almost a pleasant post. I’m really impressed!

    I’d compare Cameron’s comparison of quotes to the awfulness committed by the Dom Post all those years back when they likened Don Brash’s Orewa Speech to Pauline Hanson’s awful policies. Same deal goes for the abortion of an analogy between Helen Clark and Robert Mugabe.

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  4. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    I see Crazy Clark now says that JK and BIll E are unfit to govern because they both took 2 days off on leave.

    And this from a PM whose party advocates Life Work balance.

    Of course Crazy wouldnt see the irony in her statement.

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  5. ebsfwan (45 comments) says:

    Hmm…it might pay the PM to pick a busy day, school holidays, rugby matches etc. A lower turnout may be her only saviour.

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  6. big bruv (13,454 comments) says:

    gd

    “I see Crazy Clark now says that JK and BIll E are unfit to govern because they both took 2 days off on leave”

    Yep, and dear corrupt leaders official campaign channel (TV one) started their breakfast interview with John Key this morning with “And its good morning to John Key, leader of the National party, now John, you have just been on holiday”

    It sickens me to see how the press in NZ are so keen to do Klark’s dirty work for her, it also sickens me to see the weak response from Key to this question, instead of prattling on about his family etc he should have just replied “Yes I had two days off, now I am sure that is not what you invited me here to discuss so lets talk about the pathetic performance of this corrupt govt…etc”

    STOP PLAYING THE BLOODY GAME BY THEIR RULES KEY!

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  7. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    Paranoid much big bruv? Breakfast TV is not exactly known for hard hitting interviews – they asked him about his holiday (not really what someone like Kim Hill would do aye?!), big deal.

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  8. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    thats right Stephen dream on Only 122 days by my count until we on the RIGHT get to celebrate an early Christmas

    cant wait

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  9. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    I’ll have to assume you’re talking about dreaming about Kim Hill gd, and I’ll have you know I try my damndest not to…all that squawking…

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  10. NX (603 comments) says:

    John Howard was one of them.

    “Mr Howard has predicted the poll margin will narrow once the election is called”

    and Helen Clark is another.

    “I believe that in the home straight before the election itself the polls will begin to narrow.”

    But the thing is the polls did narrow in Australia leading up to the election (if you look @ the treadlines).

    I’m not saying the same thing is going to happen here. On the contrary I think they won’t because John Key has serviced longer as leader of the opposition compared to Kevin Rudd at this point in their election. The NZ electorate has made up their mind on John Key, whereas in Aussie they were still getting to know Kevin Rudd.

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  11. pdm (842 comments) says:

    nx – John Key has a bit more personality than Rudd. I first saw Rudd when my wife and I were on holiday in Australia at the end of April last year. He seemed to be `flavour of the month’ with all of their TV channels and smarmy is a word that springs to mind.

    I think he did improve in the lead up to the election but to my mind he won because it was time for a change over there not because he was going to be a better Prime Minister than Howard.

    In the case of New Zealand Key offers a very successful business background, good manners and personality against Clark who has been astute at reading the political landscape for about 6 years, but is now coming across as a very bitter woman in denial and devoid of ideas. Labour also has a lot of `chickens coming home to roost’ the HBDHB being but one by way of example.

    Therefore you are right in saying the gap in the polls is unlikely to narrow.

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  12. NX (603 comments) says:

    pdm – I agree that Key is more likable compared to Rudd. Rudd lacks authenticity; one day he’s highly polished and the next he’s being a bit of a clown.

    But it’s interesting comparing Oz Labor with NZ National.
    Oz Labor’s moving average
    Coalition’s moving average
    NZ Nats vs. Labour (2005 to now)

    Although Oz Labor & NZ Nats are similar in that they both show commanding leads, I reckon there are differences:
    1. OZ Labor picked up massively after Rudd became leader in Dec ’06 (less than a year out from their election). This may reflect Beazley’s unpopularity or Rudd’s popularity or both.
    2. National is just carrying on the trend from where Don Brash left off. I reckon if Brash stayed on the Nats would still be well ahead in the polls.
    3. The Oz opinion polls do show the gap narrowing between Labor & the coalition- but I reckon that just reflects Rudd’s ‘new leader’ shine coming off.
    4. Key is not a new leader. People are not only conformable with him, but like him.

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  13. NX (603 comments) says:

    pdm – I agree that Key is more likable compared to Rudd. Rudd lacks authentisicty – one day coming across polished & serious & the next a bit of a clown.

    But it’s interesting comparing Oz Labour with NZ Nats.
    Oz Labor vs. coalition
    Nz Labour vs. Nats

    Oz Labor and NZ Nats are similar in that they both show commanding leads. But I reckon their are differences:
    1. Oz Labor’s popularity shot up after Rudd became leader in Dec 06 (less than a year out from their election).
    2. John Key has just carried on where Don Brash left off. I believe that if Dr Brash where still leader the Nats would be ahead in the polls (though Helen may have spat the dummy if that were the case).
    3. The Oz opinions polls show the gap between the two major parties narrowing. I reckon this reflects the new leader shine coming off Rudd.
    4. John Key isn’t a new leader. Not only are the public comfortable with Key, but they actually like him.

    In summary; the evidence suggests the Nats lead is more solid than Oz Labor’s ever was.

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  14. NX (603 comments) says:

    pdm – I agree that Key is more likable compared to Rudd. Rudd lacks authentisicty – one day coming across polished & serious & the next a bit of a clown.

    But it’s interesting comparing Oz Labour with NZ Nats.
    Oz Labor vs. coalition

    Oz Labor and NZ Nats are similar in that they both show commanding leads. But I reckon their are differences:
    1. Oz Labor’s popularity shot up after Rudd became leader in Dec 06 (less than a year out from their election).
    2. John Key has just carried on where Don Brash left off. I believe that if Dr Brash where still leader the Nats would be ahead in the polls (though Helen may have spat the dummy if that were the case).
    3. The Oz opinions polls show the gap between the two major parties narrowing. I reckon this reflects the ‘new leader’ shine coming off Rudd.
    4. John Key isn’t a new leader. Not only are the public comfortable with Key, but they actually like him.

    In summary; the evidence suggests the Nats lead is more solid than Oz Labor’s ever was.

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  15. NX (603 comments) says:

    Nz Labour vs. Nats

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  16. NX (603 comments) says:

    Oz Labor vs. Coalition

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  17. NX (603 comments) says:

    http://www.ozpolitics.info/election2007/pollchart-trend13-coalition-labor.png

    ^ Oz labor vs. Coalition

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  18. NX (603 comments) says:

    Well I tried like three times to post an Aussie opinion poll with an insightful comment, but it won’t let me, so I’m given up ;(.

    But ozpolitics has all the info.

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  19. jafapete (766 comments) says:

    gd, “thats right Stephen dream on Only 122 days by my count until we on the RIGHT get to celebrate an early Christmas.
    cant wait.”

    It will be interesting to see whether you will be celebrating on 5 November, when the US election results should be in, just in time to go out and light up some rockets.

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  20. Buggerlugs (1,609 comments) says:

    Ha – a Labour Party Deep Throat tells me the caucus are screaming for a November 15 election so they can cram as many pay packets in before they have to go back to working for the union, sheltered workshop (oh, that’s right, Labour got rid of them), or whatever other poorly paid task they did before people like Neale Jones were stupid enough to vote for them. Leeches till the bitter end.

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  21. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    Neale Jones, is he the eedjit that pretends he is maori god of the forest on the mentallyunhinged standard?

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  22. Buggerlugs (1,609 comments) says:

    You’re joking – a scrawny white guy on the Labour Party tit pretending to be God of the Forest? yet another leech about to be ripped limb from limb when I crank up the Truth and Reconciliation rack…

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  23. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    Whaleoil notes the following handles and their “real life” persona’s (an oxymoron for a labour staffer):

    Tane = Neale Jones, Communications Advisor of the EPMU.

    IrishBill = Rob Egan, Communications Advisor of the EPMU

    all_your_base = Chris Elder, Communications staffer ninth floor

    I note some wag was posting on the mentallyunhinged substandard as

    all_you_electorates (belong to us) – he/she got banned for some reason it seems.

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  24. Chicken Little (793 comments) says:

    oohhh racks,we like r a c k s.

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  25. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    Not ony do the Greens candidates make extrodinary statements. Here’s a quote from Gareth Hughes wife on Frog telling us its quite fun to destroy other peoples property

    “I am a proud activist, one that thinks within resonable limits a bit of trespass, a bit of property damage, a bit of general disruption is fine. Quite fun, too”

    http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/09/business-experience/#comment-49060

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  26. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Communications Advisor”

    Leftist code for propagandists in the Stalin/ Goebbels mode.

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  27. NX (603 comments) says:

    “Communications Advisor”

    Leftist code for propagandists in the Stalin/ Goebbels mode.

    You raise a valid point – they obviously aren’t very busy. Wonder how much they’re being paid?

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