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imalwaysright

Sarcastic tripe from Shtuff about the PM buying an electronic lawn mower.

Christopher Luxon’s year-long mission to get a robotic lawn mower | Stuff https://share.google/72YwAuSbAD88y4H6U
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July 9, 2026 8:06am
- Ghost
  
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  stuff are reporting what he said, why are people so friggin precious now days. my god, harden up
  
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  July 9, 2026 8:18am
  - Local Miller
    
    It’s called “off topic”! Public speakers almost always start a talk with something light hearted, sometimes a joke to break the ice. Luxon used a light hearted comment that related to the location, so his audience could relate. $tuff didn’t report an what he said, they basically criticized him for his ice breaker.
    It’s petty reporting and typical of the anti-right MSM who seem to only be able to criticize the right and praise the left.
    
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    July 9, 2026 11:21am
    - Ghost
      
      and it is a light hearted article, stop being so bloody precious. Some of you better get your safe rooms stocked up because you wont mentally cope with the elections. you can’t even mentally cope with an article that is giving a lighter side to things. Just perpetually offended by everything.
      
      When did society turn into the bunch of prissy whinging little bleeps that we are seeing here
      
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      July 9, 2026 2:34pm
    - ObligatoryMarxist
      
      It’s an odd one. I’m as anti-Luxon as they come but I read that with a degree of good humor. It makes him come off quite well. It’s dad humor “I had to get approval from the Cabinet committee” referring to his wife, but I’d expect dad humor from a guy like him.
      
      It seems strange to me that his supposed supporters get mad at articles sharing in some jokes he made.
      
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      July 9, 2026 3:02pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Similar to the headline yesterday. “Luxon: I don’t need this job”.
  
  Then when you read the quote in context he explains that he does not need the job, he wants it to change the nation for the better.
  
  The media gave up long ago even pretending that they are objective. Stuff is the MSNBC of New Zealand.
  
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  July 9, 2026 8:20am
  - imalwaysright
    
    TPM
    Te Pahti Media
    
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    July 9, 2026 8:27am
  - mike
    
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    Can you explain how this is different to other senior politicians?
    
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    July 9, 2026 9:11am
    - Cassandra
      
      The media’s treatment of Luxon. Quite obviously.
      
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      July 9, 2026 9:48am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    RE the wars in Iran and Ukraine.
    Iran. Trump says the MOU is finished. IMHO the US and Israel should bomb the shit out of the place. Flatten Tehran and the other major cities. As Trump says the leadership cannot be trusted. Until they are destroyed the war will continue.
    Ukraine. NATO should supply the resources for Ukraine to first defend itself and second to bomb the shit out of military targets. Putin started this war to deflect from his domestic problems. He cant afford for the war to end otherwise he will be taken out. Russia is on the verge of economic collapse. NATO must ensure its economy collapses Putin is eliminated before any peace deal can be done.
    
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    July 9, 2026 9:17am
    - RoboRob
      
      Agree re Iran. You cant do a deal with them, they will sign anything and do the opposite. It was a mistake to go in, but now the US is there they have little option but to finish it. The US ‘allies’ should join the party too. The first thing they should do is blow up Kharg island. The idea of leaving them a fuel production industry for post war rebuild was nice, but we are not dealing with sane people, we are dealing with religious jihadists. The people in charge just don’t care about the people of Iran or their own lives.
      
      Re Ukraine. It is very hard to know what is happening. I see glowing reports of Ukraine attacks on Russia and stories about fuel shortages / economic collapse. I then see others claiming that’s propaganda and if you look at the maps the Ukraine is still slowly losing ground. There is so much propaganda from both sides it is hard to know what is true. Russia may be desperate to end the war and failing economically, who knows.
      
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      July 9, 2026 9:26am
      - kowtow
        
        rr
        
        The Ukr’s are doing one heck of a good job against Putin’s war industry ( oil and petrol) .
        
        That’s not propaganda .
        
        Very easily verified. It’s just our media are so poor .
        
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        July 9, 2026 10:31am
      - septic skeptic
        
        What a load of bollocks. The US and Israel have bombed Iran during nuclear talks and during peace negotiations. The US has zero credibility – you simply cannot take their word on anything. Israel on the other hand is very clear and consistent – they want WAR.
        
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        July 9, 2026 10:43am
      - Notsofast
        
        There are a range of views whether it was a mistake.
        I watched this right through, and was swayed by the narrative, which more or less declares pending victory for the people, and is lavish with praise for Israel and the great love for the country and its people the Iranians harbour.
        
        Iranian Armin Navabi, and Haviv Rettig Gur
        
        75 minutes
        
        https://youtu.be/LF_Ct0TvUMg?si=5nlOLi6RM51Sxn5U
        
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        July 9, 2026 1:25pm
    - Northshoredoc
      
      Flatten Tehran and major cities?
      
      The five largest cities in Iran are home to around 25 million people.
      
      1 Tehran 15,800,000
      2 Isfahan 3,989,070
      3 Mashhad 3,416,000
      4 Karaj 2,512,737
      5 Shiraz 2,080,000
      
      ..and you think it would be a great idea to flatten them?
      
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      July 9, 2026 9:54am
      - Don Beckett
        
        The whole purpose behind not flattening the cities & infrastructure is because of 90% of the Persian population are against the regime.
        The war is not against the Iranian/Persian people – it is against the radical Islamic State who don’t hesitate to kill thousands of citizens if it suits ther cause.
        The military operation against the Islamic state is gradually diminishing their capability & eliminating their leadership & setting the conditions for the people to rise up & get rid of them.
        
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        July 9, 2026 11:27am
      - mike
        
        Nonsense. The war has strengthened the regime and made it less willing to compromise.
        
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        July 9, 2026 11:41am
      - Charlotte Wells
        
        The regime has not been strengthened.
        
        Eventually they will realise that this US administration is not a bunch of softcocks.
        
        The regime will change, or die.
        
        Either way the world will be a better place. There may even be peace in the middle east.
        
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        July 9, 2026 12:56pm
      - Jethrod
        
        The regime has got nastier because they are sh..t-scarred and are worried about their own bullocks, so compromise is out the window obviously.
        
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        July 9, 2026 1:17pm
      - Taieri
        
        90% of the Persian population
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        Where did you get this one from? The recent scenes from the streets of Teheran don’t seem to confirm this.
        Have you also got comparable percentages for the North Korea?
        
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        July 9, 2026 2:45pm
      - Steve Otto N Shore
        
        The World has had enough of Iran’s shit. Flatten them and oil price will come down.
        Just waiting for Trump to do this. Iran are bludgers.
        
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        July 9, 2026 2:49pm
      - Gary Benner
        
        Taieri,
        
        If you want to get a better view of what’s happening in Iran at a local level, go on to YouTube and search to Tousi.tv. The guy is Iranian, and gets videos from his contacts all over.
        
        It’s obvious from his reports that the MSM are still taking the propaganda from the IRGC as gospel.
        
        Also while there, check out Glen Beck as he has the ear of the USA President and you get some better insight as to the USA strategy, without the hype and TDS found elsewhere.
        
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        July 9, 2026 4:38pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      The Iranian regime needs to be toppled. The only way that happens is foreign supported insurgency, which might go quickly given majority of Iranians hate their govt.
      
      But if goal is just to suppress IRGC and keep Hormuz open then USA needs to source large numbers of cheap drones like Ukraine produces to maintain close video reconnaissance and hit anything that looks like a military target in Iran for as long as it takes.
      
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      July 9, 2026 11:34am
    - surfing
      
      US has seriously miscalculated if they sign a deal where Iran has more control over strait shipping than previous to this years war.
      
      I wouldn’t put it past Trump to sign a deal that is good for the US but ruinous for the rest of the world.
      
      The non-negotiable terms should be Iran relinquishing any ability to develop a nuke, and for a return pre-war trade route rights.
      
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      July 9, 2026 2:29pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        The “deal” is no more. Iran’s IRGC have said they don’t want peace, despite the govt. puppet negotiators, so Trump has followed the IRGC & pulled out of the deal also.
        It’s all back on.
        
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        July 9, 2026 3:46pm
      - Charlotte Wells
        
        If Trump was to sign such a deal then good on him. Yes I would be annoyed but I can understand it.
        
        The USofA has done all the work on this.
        
        European leaders are too scared of their own shadow, and those that lurk within. They did nothing but hinder the US operations.
        
        Did that UK destroyer ever get to Cyprus?
        
        Trump gave Spain a serve at the NATO conference recently.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTXyFXhAzOg
        
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        July 9, 2026 5:09pm
  - Prince
    
    Stuff has gone full out today against the PM.
    
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    July 9, 2026 5:18pm
- wsk12345
  
  Even so – at $2,200 upfront, it’s only a year of getting someone on every fortnight to do it by hand.
  
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  July 9, 2026 10:44am
  - Colville
    
    The story is about a bloke who wants to buy a toy he do sent really need but wants it because its cool.
    
    A lot of guys will love it.
    
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    July 9, 2026 6:43pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Cutting edge journalism, right there! Who says Stuff doesn’t break the big stories?
  
  Mathew Hooten does it again!
  
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  July 9, 2026 1:31pm
  - Ghost
    
    No. Hooten is the editor of the post, not of stuff. surely you know the difference?
    
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    July 9, 2026 2:38pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Whatever
      
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      July 9, 2026 7:54pm
- Ra Henare
  
  talking about the stuff (and Herald)
  
  It’s interesting that both put the Farage resignation in the minor news category. ie an equivalent of page umpty-umpt in the old newspaper world.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/361004035/what-know-about-nigel-farages-dramatic-resignation-and-po
  
  Free.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/reform-uk-leader-nigel-farage-resigns-to-fight-byelection/OSJ5KQQLZZCYPOMTWOZJVN6UD4/
  
  Paywalled.
  
  stuff relies on AP, dont know what Herald relies on.
  
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  July 9, 2026 4:54pm
Benedict Yu

For those wondering if Maori could have sailed canoes to Antarctica.. This is an entertaining little video clip of a New Zealand Navy ship in the southern Ocean. 😅

https://youtube.com/shorts/q5fVfySupj4?si=KSl7LXGSE70NOrhi
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July 9, 2026 8:13am
- pdm
  
  BY I remember scenes like that from those big yachts in the round the world yacht races.
  
  Peter Blakes and Grant Dalton days in the Southern oceans.
  
  Perhaps Maori ironed the sea to make it flat before they went. lol.
  
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  July 9, 2026 8:29am
  - peterwn
    
    Sailing in the southern oceans has always been a compromise and a good master mariner (whether of an ocean going yacht or an old fashioned sailing ship) would know how south he could go for the shortest distance without unduly risking his ship.
    
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    July 9, 2026 8:43am
  - mandk
    
    “Perhaps Māori ironed the sea to make it flat before they went.”
    
    They probably offered a karakia to Tangaroa to ensure they got a smooth passage through the Southern Ocean.
    
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    July 9, 2026 11:13am
  - lifesgood
    
    Oh I am absolutely sure they invented the electric iron too.//
    
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    July 9, 2026 2:51pm
- Unity
  
  Exactly!!
  
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  July 9, 2026 8:30am
- Im Right
  
  C’mon Benedict, we all know maori ‘history’ is verbal as they had no written language, so if someone’s ancestor was a Walter Mitty type of person (a fantasist, a liar) and told people their Iwi climbed Mt Everest, sailed to Antarctica or walked on the moon, then by definition modern maori will believe it!
  Seemingly the ancestors were infallible in their history and story telling and ergo it MUST be true!
  (Especially if there is some ticket clipping chance from the government)
  NZ has been hijacked by the maori mafia and nothing gets done without consultation, a payment, and ongoing ‘extraction’ of payments in one form or another.
  
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  July 9, 2026 8:31am
  - cmm (semi-retired edition)
    
    One test of a verbal history would be to get 4 people from across the country to see if their verbal histories line up.
    
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    July 9, 2026 12:13pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Those waves are fun the first two or three times but then as time goes on you realise they are relentless and a moments inattention at the helm can have a catastrophic outcome.
  The Southern Ocean doesnt take prisoners.
  
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  July 9, 2026 8:35am
  - Taieri
    
    Those waves are fun the first two or three times
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    Perhaps when you watch them on youtube. In reality, they are not fun at all. No sleep for days, rudimentary food as normal cooking not possible but work never stops. Been there done that.
    
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    July 9, 2026 2:48pm
- Yvette
  
  Benedict, while some give the slightest hint that Maori may have reached Antarctica, where is an explanation as to how the world’s greatest navigators missed Australia?
  
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  July 9, 2026 8:42am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I don’t follow.
    
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    July 9, 2026 8:49am
    - pdm
      
      I think I do BY.
      
      Australia is a bloody big land mass compared to New Zealand.
      
      Perhaps it was all to do with the `angle of the dangle’ of their canoeing course.
      
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      July 9, 2026 9:02am
      - mike
        
        For those interested, the best introduction is The Quest for Origins: Who First Discovered and Settled the Pacific Islands? by Kerry Howe.
        Basically, Polynesian navigation and sailing methods were not conducive to voyaging westward across the Teasman Sea.
        
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        July 9, 2026 9:16am
      - rouppe
        
        But they were conducive to sailing (south) westward from the mythical Hawaiiki? 🤔
        
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        July 9, 2026 9:56am
      - mike
        
        Yes
        
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        July 9, 2026 10:08am
    - imalwaysright
      
      She’s saying why would they go to Antarctica and ignore Aussie.
      They could have easily navigated it using the sun.
      
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      July 9, 2026 9:02am
      - greybeard
        
        First they would have to know it was there, before setting a course.
        Let’s face it, they found NZ by accident.
        
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        July 9, 2026 11:25am
      - mike
        
        greybeard is wrong, again.
        
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        July 9, 2026 11:43am
  - alex Masterley
    
    A bloody good question Yvette. Turned left when they should have turned right.
    Not sure however how the aboriginal tribes would have coped with the arrival of Maori on their lands!
    
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    July 9, 2026 9:05am
    - RoboRob
      
      I suspect it would have been a blood bath. The nature loving ecologist Maori would have wiped the Aborigines out.
      
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      July 9, 2026 9:13am
      - Swifty
        
        You only have to look at how Iwi treated other Iwi, over centuries, and Moriori, to know exactly what would have been on the menu if Maori had reached Aussie.
        
        Maori wouldn’t have batted an eyelid about colonisation and subjugation.
        
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        July 9, 2026 10:16am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Don’t know about that – the Aborigines had more lethal weapons than Maori – the boomerang & the woomera were good hunting & fighting weapons.
        
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        July 9, 2026 10:33am
      - Colville
        
        Don.
        Yip.
        The Aboriginies used the spear as a volley weapon against men (And roos!) Ie they stood back and a group chucked them all at the same time so the viticim had nowhere to hide. And they are big heavy hardwood spears. Straight through no questions.
        The visiting brown boys would have been left for the birds.
        
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        July 9, 2026 10:55am
      - mogg
        
        Far from it, in Robert Hughes ‘The Fatal Shore’ the Aborigines were a deadly foe with their spears as weapons and their ability quickly appear then disappear. Māori way is all about bravado and putting on a big show, Aborigines are more like the silent killer type.
        
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        July 9, 2026 4:32pm
      - Gary Benner
        
        RoboRob, did you never watch the movie Crocodile Dundee? I’d say between the crocs, the spiders and the ants they’d have been outsmarted. The Maori were hunter gatherers, moving from one place to another looking for “low hanging fruit” so to speak (think Moa and pigeons). While Aussie is pretty big, the gains would have required a lot of skill, dedication, hard work, and understanding of the territory. Something itinerant visitors did not possess.
        
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        July 9, 2026 4:54pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Maybe they hit Australia and thought it was Antarctica? They both start with ‘A’, oh hang on, no written language or alphabet makes that an problem……
    Sir Tipene wrote an article a while back basically stating it was BS and it was ignored by the MSM….ignoring it did not make it any less true.
    Maori reaching Antarctica has a zero plausibility factor built in all by itself.
    
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    July 9, 2026 9:20am
  - Clyde
    
    The East Polynesians certainly travelled west and for me it has been a puzzle as well. I suspect that the reality is that some Polynesians might have got to Australia but died out through an inability to handle the conditions there, or were wiped out by the aboriginal people. But amazing that modern East Polynesians aren’t claiming that they discovered Australia as well as discovered Antarctica. Re-invention of history is at the core of the Greens, Racist Party and Liemore.
    
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    July 9, 2026 9:39am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Its simple really , SE Trades Southern Hemisphere and NE Trades in Northern hemisphere or more correctly N/S International Convergent Tropical Zone, ICTZ.
      In a nut shell Easterly winds near the equator due to the Coriolos Force and Hadley cells. Hot air rises, Cold air sinks. Hence 30 deg s/N are called the Horse latitudes. Referenced to throwing any livestock overboard due to lack of rain etc.
      Much the same as High latitudes and Polar Easterlies. Ie close to mainland Antarctica and the Arctic.
      Easy to go West, near equator and Polar regions.
      
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      July 9, 2026 2:46pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Some enterprising folk could wander around Noosa and bury a few bits of Pounamu and aged pipi shells along some sand dunes…and confound the experts for a while.
    
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    July 9, 2026 9:58am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Phar Lap has been spotted near a Sydney beach, would that do…?
      
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      July 9, 2026 12:56pm
  - artemisia
    
    It is possible that some, even many, made landfall in Australia and were never seen again.
    
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    July 9, 2026 10:03am
    - keepcalmcarryon
      
      Most of them live on the Gold Coast.
      
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      July 9, 2026 10:08am
      - Paulus
        
        Told uesterday they it is New Zealanders of all sorts who are coming back in some numbers from Queensland.
        The other man’s grass is not quite so green when the crunch comes.
        
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        July 9, 2026 3:43pm
    - OlderChas
      
      But – the emu are not extinct artemisia. So obviously maori didn’t make it there. // (Or if they did – the aborigines killed them and the dingos ate them?)
      
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      July 9, 2026 4:13pm
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    There are a number of theories, however a combination of factors is most likely. There are outlying polynesian communities in and around Papua New Guinea, but a combination of a large and hostile land mass, an already established Melanesian community, and oceanic/wind currents not conducive to travelling south west mitigated against settlement in Australia. Furthermore, the land in northern Australia was not suitable for the cultivation of the staple crops that Polynesians needed for survival, so any Polynesians that did land there would have had a rough time of it. Australia also already had an indigenous population that knew how to live off that land.
    
    Polynesians were adept enough at oceanic voyaging to make it all the way to South America to find Kumara though.
    
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    July 9, 2026 10:08am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Or perhaps South and Central Americans brought Kumara to a Pacific Island….
      
      (There have been a number of successful balsa raft expeditions from S.America to Pacific Islands in recent times …and even to Australia)
      
      https://ballinamaritimemuseum.org/show-item/the-las-balsas-expedition-2/
      
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      July 9, 2026 11:46am
    - cmm (semi-retired edition)
      
      What is quite amazing is the evidence that Melanesians got to Madagascar.
      
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      July 9, 2026 12:17pm
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        Austronesians, not Melanesians.
        
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        July 9, 2026 1:14pm
      - mike
        
        Austronesians.
        
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        July 9, 2026 1:14pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Austronesians
        
        Indeed
        https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1522714113
        
        From Borneo?
        https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6423374/
        
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        July 9, 2026 1:46pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        Why, They would have to get to the Western Land mass of Indonesia , Malaysia and Australian top end and ride the currents to the West along with the prevailing wind, Easterlies.
        Same as MH370 Wing wreckage ended up on Madagscar and Eastern Africa.
        
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        July 9, 2026 2:52pm
      - David George
        
        They were proto Polynesians, the Malagasy language is clearly Polynesian – or from the same origin as Polynesian. Quite remarkable, the vast stretch from Madagascar to Easter Island is half way round the world. Not as good as the Brits though.
        
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        July 9, 2026 3:34pm
    - Jack5
      
      Re my 12.09 post on Polynesian migration (below):
      
      Dunning gives the supportive view on Polynesian migration in a subsequent article you can link to in the one linked to above.
      
      It would have required vast memory of stars, currents, winds and other environmental clues. No wonder Maori four or five centuries ago lost the art of indigenous navigation.
      
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      July 9, 2026 1:45pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Polynesians certainly got to Australia many times, just like the got to Norfolk island and South America, but were unable to settle there due to Aboriginals being far more adept at survival and fighting in Australian conditions. Aboriginals were (like all hunter gathers in fertile climates) highly war-like, and easily capable of dealing with a few Polynesians showing up on a boat.
    
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    July 9, 2026 11:39am
  - Jack5
    
    Polynesian navigation by the balls
    
    Several former mariners follow Kiwiblog. On this eve of the Matariki holiday what do they think of Polynesian navigators?
    
    Did our blog’s Old Salts navigate steel ships by their balls, as in Polynesian “testicular navigation,” mentioned by Dr David Lewis in the 1970s?
    
    One thing’s fact. Maori couldn’t have navigated by this way to and from sub-Antarctica, let alone Antarctica.
    
    More on “testicular navigation” for Kiwiblog’s Old Salts to critique. It’s from Brian Dunning, science writer, at the Skeptoid web site:
    
    “Some refer to it as testicular navigation, and it is exactly what it sounds like. Navigators would hang off the side of the canoe and drag their testicles in the water, sensing temperature and wave movement; or would sit on the bottom of the canoe with their testicles in direct contact with the boat’s hull — the idea being that testicles, as extraordinarily sensitive parts of the anatomy, were the best organs to use to detect the subtlest of movements.”
    
    Skeptic view:
    
    https://skeptoid.com/episodes/1008
    
    RNZ Mataraki view on Polynesian navigation :
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-ao-maori/690298/matariki-how-maori-navigators-use-the-stars-to-keep-their-waka-on-course
    
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    July 9, 2026 12:09pm
- herb1
  
  The Maori lady whos father wrote a book on Maori sailing to Antarctica , but can’t reveal the book, claimed to be freezing cold after 10 minutes outside in Antarctica. She would have been wearing the most technologically advanced warm clothing and footwear. How does she think her ancestors survived months paddling in frigid temps wearing their traditional clothing?
  
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  July 9, 2026 9:59am
- Wairoa Native
  
  That clip says it all. They do have the replica ocean going waka now. If they really think it happened and think they can do it, they can test the theory.
  
  The legend was debunked, by Sir Tipene O’Regan et al, a few years ago.
  
  “As Ngāi Tahu (southern Maori), we take issue with widespread reference in scholarly publication to Polynesian voyagers reaching the Antarctic, an idea that originated in the translation of Rarotongan traditions in the nineteenth century. Analysis of those indicates that they contain no plausible reference to Antarctic seafaring. Southern Māori interests have extended into the Subantarctic Islands for 800 years but there is no reference to Antarctica in our historical traditions.”
  
  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/356237932_A_southern_Maori_perspective_on_stories_of_Polynesian_polar_voyaging
  
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  July 9, 2026 11:01am
  - keepcalmcarryon
    
    Casually laying claim to the subantarctic islands.
    Abel Tasman had laid claim to the South Island before ngai tahu colonized the South Island from the north of course.
    Maybe it should be the Dutch claiming extortion money for any development or enterprise in the south island.
    Antarctica Schmantarctica
    
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    July 9, 2026 12:59pm
    - Nūhaka Native
      
      True, to be fair, there were Māori in the South Island before Abel Tasman arrived. Kāi Tahu began migrating into the South Island from the North Island in the early 1700s, crossing Cook Strait in several waves. Over the following generations, they expanded throughout Te Waipounamu through alliances, intermarriage, and conflict with earlier iwi such as Waitaha and Ngāti Māmoe, becoming the dominant iwi across most of the South Island by the mid- to late 18th century.
      
      The classic book of South Island Māori history and traditions based on conversations between respected Kāi Tahu elder Teone Taare Tikao and historian Herries Beattie in the early 1920s, ‘Tikao Talks’ is a great reference. It records Kāi Tahu oral histories, including accounts of the early iwi Waitaha, Ngāti Māmoe, and Kāi Tahu, as well as Māori customs, place names, and traditions of Te Waipounamu.
      
      It’s refreshing to hear the thoughts of a Māori born about 1850 and taught by the tohunga, Koroko and Tuauau, who would have been born in the late 1700s. A bit of an eye opener to the woke generations of today in my opinion.
      
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      July 9, 2026 10:55pm
- [email protected]
  
  The first time the wife and I went offshore sailing we headed from San Diego to Florida through the Panama canal on a 26 foot “Frisco Flier”.
  
  Went about 200 miles offshore to minimize the posibility of hitting land.
  
  I remember surfing down steep seas and being too stupid to know that we were in danger of “pitchpoling” where the stern of the boat pitches over the bow of the boat.
  
  After that nasty bit of weather nothing seemed dangerous in comparison.
  
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  July 9, 2026 12:58pm
- Paulus
  
  Was this the time when the front of the vessel got stoved in as the vessel was not built to Naval specification steel but Commercial construction conditions ?
  
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  July 9, 2026 12:59pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Navy vessels generally are not designed to operate down there simply due to there design.
    
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    July 9, 2026 2:55pm
- Jethrod
  
  Alternatively you could view my post from 10.43 yesterday the 8 July, for what really happened.
  
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  July 9, 2026 1:21pm
mike

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Trump has talked about bombing the ‘Islamic Republic of Japan‘ to the press. And he called president Zelensky ‘President Putin’. And he says he’s big on Tic Tac. Time for him to join Mitch McConnell as officially brain dead?
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July 9, 2026 8:50am
- Inandout
  
  mike, Trump can talk for hours, Biden talked in broken sentences.
  
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  July 9, 2026 8:54am
  - mike
    
    But do either say anything meaningful?
    
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    July 9, 2026 11:22am
    - Jethrod
      
      Probably more meaningful than your listening ability.
      
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      July 9, 2026 1:27pm
  - R
    
    Biden spoke in broken sentences?, any sentences……REALLY!
    
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    July 9, 2026 11:24am
- RoboRob
  
  Did you ever say the same about Biden?
  
  The recent presidents have been too old, like many senators, but Trumps health and mental abilities are on a totally different plane to Bidens. You have picked some stuff ups out of hundreds of hours of public speaking. That wasn’t possible for Biden because he didn’t do media or meetings with his staff.
  
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  July 9, 2026 9:16am
  - mike
    
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    Rubbish.
    
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    July 9, 2026 9:16am
    - RoboRob
      
      Which bit?
      
      The bit that Biden did minimal public interviews? That’s well known. He generally only appeared in a small window between 10am and 3pm.
      
      The bit where he didn’t interact with his staff. That is reported by his staff post departure as a reason why they never spotted his decline.
      
      The bit about his physical health? Have you never seen him falling up stairs to his plane, where they needed to have him board using smaller stairs not in the front. Never seen him walk? Never seen him fall of his bike?
      
      Rubbish isn’t really a cogent argument.
      
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      July 9, 2026 9:31am
      - Cassandra
        
        Cogent argument? From mike? Are you taking the mickey? 😇
        
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        July 9, 2026 9:51am
      - mike
        
        Oh dear.
        Biden was clearly past it when he decided to run again.
        Trump, with his limited intellect, sexual predations and long record of business failure and fraud, was never up to the job in the first place.
        People get in a terrible mess if they decry Biden but back Trump.
        
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        July 9, 2026 10:13am
      - wsk12345
        
        Also looking back through the WH diaries Biden had years of visits from a specialist Parkinson’s doctor. The media just chose not to share that info.
        
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        July 9, 2026 10:47am
    - RoboRob
      
      @mike
      
      You’re not paying attention. Your post was trump is losing his marbles. I replied that both Trump and Biden are too old. I questioned why you never pointed out Bidens health (physical and mental) issues during his term.
      
      I’m not all that hot on Trump either but certain people only seem concerned about mental health when it relates to their opponents.
      
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      July 9, 2026 11:10am
      - mike
        
        I don’t think Kiwiblog needed me pointing out Biden’s flaws.
        
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        July 9, 2026 11:21am
      - Peter S
        
        @ Mike, the blog doesn’t need your posts on Trump either.
        RobRob was highlighting the hypocrisy of the filter you use for the things you do choose to comment on.
        
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        July 9, 2026 3:03pm
  - Northshoredoc
    
    I think it’s safe to say that in ten years time the population of the USA will look back on the terms of the current and previous president with a sense of disbelief.
    
    Or maybe not, people do have very short memories these days.
    
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    July 9, 2026 9:59am
- NothingLeft
  
  Nobody in their 70’s should be serving as a National-stage politician or leader. Most demanding professions see people forcibly retired in their 60’s, S&P500 is perhaps best guide with only 3% of CEOs over 70. With 89% in 50’s and 60’s
  
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  July 9, 2026 11:49am
- imalwaysright
  
  Apparently Kamala has agreed to be Mitch’s running mate…
  
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  July 9, 2026 12:39pm
RRM

Just when I thought construction couldn’t get any more dead:

1. RBNZ puts interest rates up

2. Trump tears up Iran cease fire

It’s like every suit wearing politician and economist WANTS our industry dead.
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July 9, 2026 9:15am
Paulus

My poor mind this morning
In the UK a High Court Judge has found that the Daily Mail did not do what the one time News of the World did often, is that the complainents of which there were quite a few including of course Prince Harry, Elton John and Elisabeth Hurley, and others, found no sufficient evidence of any skulduggery by the Daily Mail.
Sweet as ! – thank goodness.
Of the 97 items contained in the case not one could be found to have sufficient evidence of anything untowards.
So the Daily Mail, once again, are like our media all sweet and nice.
Our media however are amateurs against the money and attiude of the UK press, despite our media being funded still in the PIJF by taxpayers.
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July 9, 2026 9:24am
- Cassandra
  
  The judge said that Harry, Elton etc did not produce any evidence, and if you read even a bit of it, they didn’t. Lots of accusations but no evidence.
  
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  July 9, 2026 9:53am
- imalwaysright
  
  Sounds like a good episode for Spitting Image…
  
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  July 9, 2026 2:17pm
  - OlderChas
    
    Perfect comment from (the Editor? Owner) of the Daily Mail on the news last night. After explaining why the case was lost and how silly the accusations were he noted that the costs awarded against the accusers were astronomical. Then he looked at the camera for a few seconds of silence, shook his head and said “Poor Harry.” without looking the least bit sorry. And the interview ended.
    
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    July 9, 2026 4:18pm
Yvette

The Relegation of UNDRIP
In late 2023, the Cabinet formalised its stance that UNDRIP does not have legally binding effect on New Zealand law, reaffirming that the domestic legal and constitutional frameworks are the supreme and defining bounds of the state’s legal system, meaning no engagement beyond the Treaty of Waitangi

Review of Treaty References in Legislation
The Government has finalised a policy to amend 19 pieces of legislation (down from an initial scope of 28 Acts). A single omnibus bill to enact these changes is expected to be introduced to Parliament.

The government has agreed to completely repeal Treaty references from seven specific acts where the clauses were deemed redundant, disconnected from the act’s primary function, or legally imprecise (e.g., specific sections of the Crown Pastoral Land Act 1998 and the Energy Efficiency and Conservation Act 2000).

For 10 of the remaining Acts, the government is deliberately replacing stronger legal obligations—such as requirements to “give effect to” or “honour” the Treaty—with a standardized, lower ceiling. The new baseline will mandate that decision-makers only “take into account” the Treaty.

Here is the slight quandary:
Does one vote for National, ACT or New Zealand First in the hope that, in another term, the current Coalition might actually complete what the promised prior to the last Election?

Or vote Labour, Greens and others, to reinstate their tribal separatist agenda?
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July 9, 2026 9:29am
- RoboRob
  
  I am biased, like most here. I would argue your only option is ACT.
  
  Nationals heart isn’t in this. They have delayed and water down the bill as much as possible. I believe it is highly unlikely that they will pass the legislation this term, even though it is a promise to NZF in the coalition negotiations. They just don’t care about ‘culture war’ stuff, the dont see this as important. Luxon, isn’t an agent of change, he will manage the status quo.
  
  NZF talks a big game on a number of things but isn’t actually all that good on implementation. A bit like Labour, lots of plans but very little implementation. See almost all their initiatives and policy.
  
  ACT wanted more and was stymied by Luxon who was vehemently opposed to the treaty principles bill. Winston, never one to miss a political opportunity also had a go at ACT and blocked it too. Like him or not Seymour has proved persistent on policy and like a dog with a bone has kept at it. If you want action on this stuff ACT is the logical choice.
  
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  July 9, 2026 9:43am
  - Cassandra
    
    I like David Seymour!!
    
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    July 9, 2026 9:55am
    - Graeme Hall
      
      I like Ike!
      
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      July 9, 2026 11:15am
    - Paulus
      
      I don’t like Seymour and never have !
      
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      July 9, 2026 1:03pm
  - Philview
    
    ACT knew from the negotiated Coalition agreement that it had no future. I would have preferred a different question. Perhaps “Should New Zealand be a Co-Governed country?” This would have enabled a nationwide discussion on what the last Labour Government was putting in place. Now I see lots of articles blaming Co-Governance on the National Party and suggesting we need a Labour Government to stop this stuff.
    
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    July 9, 2026 11:24am
    - RoboRob
      
      Certainly Labour and National have both added co governance arrangements. The latest bing Doc and IWII over 5 new South Island marine sanctuaries.
      
      I imagine an ACT request for a Co Governance discussion would have received the same treatment from National. Not that I disagree with the sentiment. ACT can only do what their vote base allows, so I appreciate them trying. Winston is in a much stronger negotiating position because he can work with Labour.
      
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      July 9, 2026 1:17pm
  - R
    
    Despite its recent experience in government, ACT is still basically a one trick pony. Likeable personality is no measure of competence.
    
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    July 9, 2026 11:33am
pdm

`Here is the slight quandary:
Does one vote for National, ACT or New Zealand First in the hope that, in another term, the current Coalition might actually complete what the promised prior to the last Election?’

This is why you have to Party Vote ACT to ensure they have more clout in any new Coalition. Because you know ACT will at least try.

National will indulge in tokenism.

NZFirst will do what is best for Winston.

Or as you say Yvette you could do this:
` vote Labour, Greens and others, to reinstate their tribal separatist agenda?’

I say – please don’t.
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July 9, 2026 9:38am
- RoboRob
  
  ACT will only work with National and at a pinch Winston first. A vote for them is a guaranteed vote for a non Labour government.
  
  NZF will work with either side. That’s a riskier vote. However IF Labour get more votes then National, a vote for NZF might put NZF in a position to keep the Greens / TOP / TPM out of government and ‘tone down a Labour led government’.
  
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  July 9, 2026 9:47am
  - Cassandra
    
    Vote ACT. Address available on request.
    
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    July 9, 2026 9:56am
    - RoboRob
      
      lol, love the Horncastle reference 🙂
      
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      July 9, 2026 11:13am
      - Cassandra
        
        😇
        
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        July 9, 2026 11:17am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Don’t forget the ‘LeQuesne Effect’…
    
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    July 9, 2026 10:00am
    - RoboRob
      
      Apparently nothing can be done about him.
      
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      July 9, 2026 1:18pm
  - R
    
    put NZF…? If the election result is that close, 2 years as PM and a knighthood promise will seal the deal; and destroy NZ’S future for ever.
    
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    July 9, 2026 11:40am
  - Philview
    
    NZ First have recruited Michael Laws and I don’t see a strong mind like his compromising too much at the moment. Labour will have to do a hell of a policy shift to go into Government with NZ First.
    Likewise Elliot Ikilei is going to want to see some gains for social conservatives. It is going to be interesting.
    
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    July 9, 2026 1:24pm
- crash
  
  “First in the hope that, in another term the current Coalition…”
  
  The “current coalition” finishes on election day 2026. That is a fact – and the National/NZF and National/ACT coalition agreements come to an end. The next Government will be entirely bound by the promises included in party manifestos and subsequent coalition agreements.
  
  Should the next Government have a National/NZF/ACT combination to get a majority of MPs then that Government will pay no heed to what it promised before the 2023 election unless those same promises are repeated for the 2026 election.
  
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  July 9, 2026 10:07am
- R
  
  pdm……I agree with your last short sentence!
  I think that in the washup, you may well find that, me WINSTON! is the problem.
  
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  July 9, 2026 11:36am
imalwaysright

Saw a lead-in to Seven Sharp last night where they were going to discuss the increased number of young people having strokes.

Isn’t that a story for the main news rather than a magazine style slot?
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July 9, 2026 9:54am
- Cassandra
  
  This is really interesting. In a previous life I was involved in neuroscience. A clinical team led by the foremost stroke guy in NZ did a patient admission survey at their large hospital. Young patients with stroke were overwhelmingly positive for cannabis.
  
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  July 9, 2026 11:21am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I, as a conspiracy theorist, was thinking it might be because of the jab, but the link with cannabis appears to make more sense.
    
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    July 9, 2026 11:29am
    - wsk12345
      
      There is a known link btw cannabis and epilepsy so strokes as well seems plausible.
      
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      July 9, 2026 1:19pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Seems that way. Maybe its the stronger strains that are causing it.
        
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        July 9, 2026 4:34pm
    - Gary Benner
      
      Maybe both?
      
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      July 9, 2026 5:12pm
- Philview
  
  I stumbled onto somekind of US Senate hearing the other day on the side effects of the Covid vaccine. The person being questioned was not giving transparent responses to questions. The Senator appeared to be a lot more knowledgable on the mRNA vaccine than the expert in the hot seat.
  
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  July 9, 2026 11:35am
- wgtn_dude
  
  Bit like the other day. A very pro Greens policy story on 1 News about bottom trawling and the doom surrounding it as the government hasn’t done anything about it.
  
  Seven Sharp happens to have a story (which was interesting BTW) about some ex fisherman trialing with NIWA some innovation using sound waves to extract the fish harvest without the seabed disturbance.
  
  Whether this works or not is not the immediate issue. In time technology innovation will solve a problem without knee-capping an entire industry.
  
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  July 9, 2026 4:18pm
Rusty

Will it always be either National or Labour as the two major parties in power or opposition?
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July 9, 2026 9:55am
- pdm
  
  It will not change in my lifetime Rusty.
  
  By my calculations I have between at worst 15 minutes and at best up to 25 years given continued medical science developments. Meaning more and more people will live past 100.
  
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  July 9, 2026 12:52pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Major parties can and do go out of existence. In the UK, the Whigs no longer exist, while the Liberals, once a governing party in their own right, merged with the Social Democrats and are tiny.
  
  The Liberals in NZ are also no more. Seddon was a Liberal PM.
  
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  July 9, 2026 8:04pm
Damocles11

“I think this country needs a leader who’s not afraid to declare that Maori did not cede sovereignty”.
– Labour MP Cushla Tangaere-Manuel
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July 9, 2026 10:03am
- Cassandra
  
  I hope Labour does that. Clarity is important.
  
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  July 9, 2026 11:23am
- Swifty
  
  What other great lies currently roam our nation?
  
  That the treaty was a ‘partnership’.
  Matauranga is equivalent to science.
  All cultures are equal.
  Diversity is our strength.
  Tax is love.
  Maori are indigenous to NZ.
  Men can become women.
  Non-whites cannot, by definition, ever perform a racist act or hold a racist view.
  
  I’m sure there are plenty more.
  
  And every single one of them has originated and been pushed by the left. What does that tell you?
  
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  July 9, 2026 11:31am
  - wilderbeast
    
    Here’s another one: Matariki is a pan-Maori, traditional celebration. The historical record is virtually silent on it. I have posted previously that until about 2015 the Raupo Maori dictionary never has an entry for the word “Matariki”. The revisionists have been busy.
    
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    July 9, 2026 7:55pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Declaring a falsehood is a vote winner?
  
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  July 9, 2026 11:34am
- mandk
  
  I’d be happy to accept that Māori did not cede sovereignty if it is also accepted that the Crown did not enter into a partnership with Māori.
  
  We could then declare the Treaty null and void, and we could all get on with our lives without having to live a falsehood.
  
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  July 9, 2026 11:45am
- cmm (semi-retired edition)
  
  So if Maori did not cede sovereignty and become little Poms, then we don’t owe them any welfare? Right?
  
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  July 9, 2026 12:23pm
  - RoboRob
    
    And the treaty is invalid, so our requirement to meet its principles are also negated.
    
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    July 9, 2026 1:20pm
    - BananaLlama
      
      New Zealand could just walk away and let the tribalists turn into another Haiti.
      
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      July 9, 2026 2:15pm
  - ObligatoryMarxist
    
    If they didn’t cede sovereign then the NZ government is an illegitimate invader and can and should be resisted violently. Since that would be a pretty bad thing to happen, maybe we could find some compromises like guaranteed representation and some cooperation on topics that significantly impact Māori.
    
    You don’t get to pretend to be a peaceful democracy AND an occupying state backed by force of arms.
    
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    July 9, 2026 3:07pm
    - KKNZ2025
      
      Irrelevant. They did cede sovereignty as the Treaty & those there on the day confirm s (eg Colenso recorded Maori chiefs objection to the head of state Queen Vicky because she was a woman)
      
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      July 9, 2026 6:11pm
- BananaLlama
  
  They should be careful with that train of thought, it is a two way street.
  
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  July 9, 2026 1:02pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Excellent, Labour backbencher clarifies the sovereignty position for her leader.
  
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  July 9, 2026 2:18pm
- mike
  
  It’s certainly an arguable position.
  
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  July 9, 2026 2:45pm
Damocles11

3 big problems with Labours ‘SolarSaver’ policy:
1/ ‘Plug-in’ battery units are illegal in New Zealand.
2/ Master Electricians says that New Zealand is already 6,000 electricians short and another 2,200 – 2,500 are needed to meet demand.
3/ Supply chain constraints could delay the availability of solar panels.
Megan Woods: “There’s nothing like demand and a secure pipeline of work to make sure we’ve got what we need”. It’s language redolent of the way the KiwiBuild policy was sold, with all concerns around delivery dismissed with an airy wave of the hand….’it will just happen, don’t worry about it’. And we know how that turned out.
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July 9, 2026 10:12am
- NothingLeft
  
  To the left (and their media lackeys) heart-felt annunciation of aspirations is what really matters, delivery is for the grotty oiks with calloused hands who the dreamers of the left call up to organize and do the actual work.
  
  They are like the oft lampooned trophy wives of old. Possessed of a huge sense of entitlement and inflated opinion of their competence due to never having anyone tell them ‘No’, they regally and cluelessly waste the money of their hard-working and highly competent spouses with scant understanding or regard for where the money comes from or the difficulties and impracticalities of what they are directing.
  
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  July 9, 2026 11:56am
- rouppe
  
  Problem 1 is very easily fixed given the technology is well proven overseas
  
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  July 9, 2026 12:04pm
  - cmm (semi-retired edition)
    
    Nope, not at all.
    
    The only legal plug in units are UPS where you plug one side into the power and the load into the other side.
    
    Anything that can back feed to whole house – or back feed into the grid – needs serious wiring and is not plug in.
    
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    July 9, 2026 12:35pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      On the news they showed the solar unit being plugged into a hotpoint with a standard 3 pin plug, saying that the unit was now feeding the rest of the house.
      
      So a live hand held 3 pin plug with exposed pins being plugged into a live socket.
      
      What could go wrong with that I wonder…
      
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      July 9, 2026 12:48pm
      - [email protected]
        
        Does it automatically shut down if the grid powers down so linesman don’t get electrocuted working on supposedly dead mains lines?
        
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        July 9, 2026 6:06pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        So where are the reports about catasrophic outcomes in Germany? I asked chatgpt about this configuration – known as a “suicide plug” – the reply was along the lines of there were (pretty unlikely) downsides …. applies to the use of generators in a power cut too. If you turn off the mains switch from the street that deals with most of it, although a single plugin solar panel is unlikely to replace the grid …
        
        But how does it go in Germany?
        
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        July 9, 2026 7:12pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Well …. make of this what you will … not as bloody as some might assume.
        
        https://chatgpt.com/share/6a4f4aa0-f630-83ec-8c6a-995f7778a319
        
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        July 9, 2026 7:17pm
    - RoboRob
      
      I think they have just legalised them in the UK. There is still serious debate with regards to safety.
      
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      July 9, 2026 1:22pm
- RoboRob
  
  As much as despise Megan Woods, there aren’t supply chain restraints. There is a global surplus of Solar panels currently, they are easily sourced. Installers, on the other hand, is a much different story. I had the choice of waiting 3ish months for a sub contractor to do my install, or 6ish months for my solar company to install.
  
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  July 9, 2026 1:24pm
Damocles11

‘Iran’ has been on the blower again…
‘President Donald Trump says Iran has called him asking to make a deal after the US launched a series of strikes.
“They called a little while ago, they want to make a deal so badly,” Trump told reporters on Air Force One, while heading home from the Nato summit in Ankara, Türkiye.
“I just don’t know if they’re worthy of making a deal.”’

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/361004118/trump-threatens-iran-more-strikes-says-recent-fight
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July 9, 2026 12:09pm
NothingLeft

In wake of recent obvious election cheating in California new polling now sees 62% of US polled thinking that cheating probably affected 2020 presidential election, including 45% of Dem voters.
https://postimg.cc/cgzDSh7z

But Dems still stonewalling attempts to institute voting ID and voting roll checks etc – measures supported by 70-80% of US voters.

That is in itself a naked declaration of intention to cheat by Democrats.
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July 9, 2026 12:41pm
pdm

Damoc – I doubt she ever said that.

It would be completely out of kilter with the Labour Maori Caucus and lefts dialogue so she must be mis quoted surely.
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July 9, 2026 12:55pm
mike

‘very ambitious’ appears as the current synonym for ‘lies’.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/361004178/rons-nowhere-government-slows-work-promised-major-highways
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July 9, 2026 2:29pm
lifesgood

What’s happened to Bobbys on the beat. For a while they were seen fairly regularly in central city Auckland, I haven’t seen any in a while. Another walk up Queen St yesterday and once again lots of feral Maori lying around begging and yelling across the street at each other and generally being anti social. One even had tribal facial tattoos, which must cost a bit. Before anyone screams “racist” I took particular note, there was not one single European among the 15 or so that I came across.
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July 9, 2026 3:05pm
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  Maybe they are being paid to cause trouble and upset the whiteys.
  
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