NZ speaking softly so it can join human rights abusers
As I have blogged previously, New Zealand is campaigning for a spot on the UN Human Rights Council – an institution rapidly becoming as discredited as its predecessor. We should be running a mile from it, rather than cosying up to the dictators and abusers who make up a significant proportion of its membership.
Fran O’Sullivan notes that we appear to be refusing to condemn Iran’s nuclear programme, so that we do not get offside with the Islamic states whose support is needed to get elected.
The unfortunate upshot is a perception that neither politician wants to speak frankly about Iran in case New Zealand’s UN campaign is jeopardised by the Organisation of the Islamic Conference which is one of the dominant forces on the rights council.
The council – which includes a number of serial rights abusers – has been criticised by the Economist for making a fetish out of one-sided Israel bashing. Its Islamic members have succeeded in passing a resolution saying free speech could be limited out of respect for religions and beliefs.
There is an unfortunate pattern emerging. If New Zealand puts its trade interests centre-stage, but only plays a strong bat on democratic infringements when they involve small basket-cases like Fiji, what do we stand for?
If National gets elected, they should drop our bid to be on the Human Rights Council, and concentrate on UN institutions which are not as discredited.
July 5th, 2008 at 9:49 am
Great article from Fran. So refreshing to see some real political acumen in the mainstream media. Check the following paragraphs.
“But I suspect the real reason why Clark did not want Downer unleashed in front of National delegates (or New Zealand media) is because his is the kind of coherent conservative voice that is not often heard here. He is passionate about human rights and democratic freedoms and unafraid to argue his corner with strenuous conviction.”
“Read it [Downer's blog]- it’s probably the closest you’ll get to obtaining a true conservative perspective than anything served up by National here.”
Wow. I wonder. Is Fran single?
July 5th, 2008 at 10:18 am
It is obvious why we are campaigning for this spot, dear corrupt lesbian leader is looking ahead for a new job.
This is a conflict of interest and worthy of a question in the house.
[DPF: Leave the alleged sexuality out of you comments or Mr Demerits will visit you]
July 5th, 2008 at 10:18 am
Over at NZCPR Murray McCully reckons it’s all a ploy to secure a post-parliament job for Helen Clark: http://www.nzcpr.com/midweek32.htm
July 5th, 2008 at 10:22 am
DPF:”If National gets elected, they should drop our bid to be on the Human Rights Council, and concentrate on UN institutions which are not as discredited.”
Correction: concentrate on (leave out the “UN”, DPF) institutions which are not as discredited. I suggest ANZUS, NATO, and the “League of Democracies” being proposed by John McCain and others.
July 5th, 2008 at 10:27 am
Yeah, like running away is really going to help things….We are either a member of the UN or not, we shouldn’t be so selective on which parts to participate in just because someone (gasp) criticises Israel.
July 5th, 2008 at 10:28 am
And well, well, well, here’s the latest from “Eye On The U.N.”, to follow on from their excellent work highlighting the UN “Human Rights Council” first year of concentrated anti-Israel effort:
The UN Human Rights Council:
New and Not Improved
Criticism of Human Rights Violations under Sharia’h Law Deemed Out of Order
Critics of Islamic Extremism Harassed and Silenced
Universal Periodic Review (UPR): Human Rights Protection Gone Wrong
July 3, 2008
Click here to watch video.
UN Human Rights Council: Sharia’h Law Now Sacrosanct, Part 1
June 16, 2008: The UN Human Rights Council decides criticism of human rights violations under Sharia’h law is out of order
Click here to watch video.
UN Human Rights Council: Sharia’h Law Now Sacrosanct, Part 2
June 16, 2008: The UN Human Rights Council decides criticism of human rights violations under Sharia’h law is out of order
Click here to watch video.
UN Human Rights Council: Sharia’h Law Now Sacrosanct, Part 3
June 16, 2008: The UN Human Rights Council decides criticism of human rights violations under Sharia’h law is out of order
Click here to watch video.
UN Human Rights Council: Silencing Critics of Islamic Extremism (6)
June 16, 2008: The real UN double-standards – harassing, intimidating and silencing critics of Islamic states, Islamic terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism
Click here to watch video.
UN Human Rights Council: Silencing Critics of Islamic Extremism (7)
June 16, 2008: The real UN double-standards – harassing, intimidating and silencing critics of Islamic states, Islamic terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism
Click here to watch video.
UN Human Rights Council: New and Not Improved, Part 1
June 13, 2008: The New Universal Periodic Review (UPR) Process of the Human Rights Council – Human Rights Protection Gone Wrong
Click here to watch video.
UN Human Rights Council: New and Not Improved, Part 2
June 13, 2008: The New Universal Periodic Review (UPR) Process of the Human Rights Council – Human Rights Protection Gone Wrong
Click here to watch video.
UN Human Rights Council: New and Not Improved, Part 3
June 13, 2008: The New Universal Periodic Review (UPR) Process of the Human Rights Council – Human Rights Protection Gone Wrong
Take a look at the site:
http://www.eyeontheun.org/
July 5th, 2008 at 10:30 am
Great organisation to be involved in, huh? Time for the world’s democracies to walk away from most of it at least, I suggest. The “Human Rights Council” is an irrelevancy AT BEST, and it is not the only organ of the UN of which that can be said. Take the IPCC, for example……….
July 5th, 2008 at 10:31 am
As a country which is sadly itself slipping, nay, racing down the slope towards dictatorship, ignorance and third world status, I would expect that this UN Human Rights Council is exactly the international home which Helen Clark sees for us. A cozy warm club where she and her cronies can discuss the most effective ways of subjugating and controlling a population. In some ways Helen will be a wonderful teacher, with her ‘manufactured threats’ technique resulting in the EFA for example and her subliminal campaign to destroy our productive base; but in other ways she will find a lot of good stuff to learn which she hasn’t really applied yet and, if she is given the chance, she will learn it well, we can be assured of that.
July 5th, 2008 at 10:56 am
PhilBest(10:28am) – thanks (I think), that link is quite sickening!
July 5th, 2008 at 11:02 am
Thanks 3-coil, you see why I keep saying “Barf” on this blog. IF ONLY Kiwis KNEW………..and if only that was the ONLY sickening thing that Kiwis were ignorant about, no, actively sucked in, propagandised by the agenda of the Left……
July 5th, 2008 at 11:06 am
I may not have time to revisit this thread later, but I bet Andrew W will have a go at my comment about the IPCC being another untrustworthy UN institution. So 3-coil and anyone else interested in sickening “undeceptions”, read up a few of the following:
REPORTS AND ARTICLES – Google them yourself -
Edward J. Wegman et al: “Ad Hoc Committee Report (To the US Senate Committee on Energy and Commerce and the US Senate Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations) on the Hockey Stick Global Climate Reconstruction” (THIS IS SHOCKING READING)
Tim Ball: GLOBAL WARMING SERIES (Excellent – best of their type yet)
Part 1: Environmental Extremism
Part 2: Historical and philosophical context of the climate change debate.
Part 3: How the world was misled about global warming and now climate change
Part 4: How UN structures were designed to prove human CO2 was causing global warming
Part 5: Wreaking Havoc on Global Economies
Part 6: The Hockey Stick scam that heightened global warming hysteria
Part 7: The Unholy Alliance that manufactured Global Warming
Part 8: UN’s IPCC preying on people’s ignorance
Part 9: Carbon Taxes: Hand over your money! “We are saving you from yourself”
Part 10: Environmentalists Seize Green Moral High Ground Ignoring Science
Part 11: Maurice Strong Politics 101
Vincent Gray: “Spinning the Climate”
S. Fred Singer et al: “Nature, Not Human Activity, Rules the Climate”
John McLean: “Peer Review? What Peer Review?”
Jack Welch: “NIWA Scientists have become propagandists”
Brian Sussman: “James Hansen: Abusing the Public Trust”
Laurence Solomon: “The Deniers”
Ray Evans: “The Chilling Costs of Climate Catastrophism”
July 5th, 2008 at 11:23 am
Every time I see the phrase “human rights” I laugh and ask myself, when is the Minister of Courts going to address the UN request for a report on the alleged unlawful gender discrimination in the family court ? Ouch thicko Dumbo Minister.
July 5th, 2008 at 11:40 am
DPF
Can I use “dear corrupt sexually confused leader”? or do I have to stick with “dear corrupt leader”
July 5th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Both the Israeli and the Islam issues are covered with layers of obfuscation. If only we all had a clear, accurate and most importantly a broadly agreed picture of just what incidents occurred then everyone could make up their minds as to what they meant. Regrettably such a transparent picture doesn’t exist and therefore the debates tend to circle around the relative accuracy of the picture rather than more usefully, discussions around what can be done about it.
July 5th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Helen Clark and her governments pathalogical anti-Semtetic credentials are well established. She deserves and belongs there.
Let them have her.
When the western democracies finally work out that its time to biff this failed organisation she go out in the trash with the rest of them.
July 5th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
I reckon though Murray that in a global world you need some cross-country global vehicle. Whether the UN is the ideal is another question, but you need something.
July 5th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
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July 5th, 2008 at 9:49 am
Great article from Fran. So refreshing to see some real political acumen in the mainstream media. Check the following paragraphs.
“But I suspect the real reason why Clark did not want Downer unleashed in front of National delegates (or New Zealand media) is because his is the kind of coherent conservative voice that is not often heard here. He is passionate about human rights and democratic freedoms and unafraid to argue his corner with strenuous conviction.”
“Read it [Downer's blog]- it’s probably the closest you’ll get to obtaining a true conservative perspective than anything served up by National here.”
Hey! I did just take a look at Downer’s blog. DPF and you other guys, it would be worth putting on your “regular check” list. I see it is on DPF’s blogroll but we could hear quotes from it a bit more often and the man himself could do a lot more speaking at National Party events and as many other public forums as possible, perhaps not until the Heleban are out of the way though, eh?
July 5th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
^there’s Helen’s much touted foreign affairs wisdom.
While other leaders of the world are discussing the threat of a nuclear Iran, Helen is worrying about whether the flower arrangements are culturally insensitive to the Iranian ambassador.
Yet, such attention to detail goes right out he windows when the Queen comes to visit.
July 5th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Surely a country’s nuclear programme is an internal matter. The hypocrisy of Western and other Nuclear capable states descrying Iran (and North Korea) wishing to join the club is breathtaking. In a world where America presents an increasingly belligerent front it must be obvious that Nuclear Weapon capability is desirable from the point of view of so called “non-aligned” states.
July 5th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Quite agree with you RossK. Astounds me how few people seem to see it this way.
Personally I don’t believe Iran is even pursuing weapons. She has already get very good protection from Chinese and Russian systems, she doesn’t need them.
July 5th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
The other thing about Iran I can’t believe is how the majority of people have swallowed whole the ‘wipe Israel off the map’ general propaganda line built up carefully over the last 3-4 years.
I mean the similarity between this misinformation campaign and the Iraq one is obvious. Couple that with the fact that both have been bought to you by the very same individuals, and I’m staggered that more people don’t appear just the slightest bit suspicious that it may be complete fucken bullshit.
July 5th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
RossK and Reid stop making Iran out to be some holiday resort.
In the last month all the leaders of the Bahai faith in Iran have gone missing. No one knows where they are but it suspected they are being held in a prison known for political prisoners never being seen again.
And the noise from the UN is deafening!
Keep up the good PR work.
July 5th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
I guess when you have no Jews left you look for the next best thing?
July 5th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
SR stop trying to pretend I’m at all anti-Jewish just because I have an open mind.
If you look at it, geo-strategically, it’s a convenient coincidence that the two largest security threats to Israel have been targeted during the period of the most-Israel-friendly US Administration in living memory. I don’t remember any Administration that had and has the power the neo-cons have enjoyed during Bush 43. It’s very arguable that Bush initiated moves against Iraq from day one of his Administration, long before 911 even started. There are also many proposed motivations for this, if you do some research.
As I said above, the comparisons between the two lead-ups re: Iraq and Iran are way beyond superficial or coincidental.
The real question is, is the US military for this or against it? Fallon’s forced resignation indicates the latter. The US knows its supply lines in Iraq WILL get cutoff the instant there’s an attack by either Israel or the US against Iran. The US cannot defend against that on a long-term sustained basis and there is a threat of large bases being cut-off. Some forget that Israel a year ago or so, received a large shipment of bunker-busting bombs. Wonder why?
SR, if you can’t see the writing on the wall, I’m surprised.
July 5th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Reid
I guess all these comments below are Zionist “propoganda” or are they too covered by “layers of obfuscation” for us lesser mortals to understand? Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot told the world in their writings what they planned to do before they did it. They too had their enablers who reassured us that their words were misinterpreted or just mere puffery and bluster.
• “We don’t shy away from declaring that Islam is ready to rule the world.“ 1
• “The wave of the Islamist revolution will soon reach the entire world.” 2
• “Our revolution’s main mission is to pave the way for the reappearance of the Twelfth Imam, the Mahdi.” 3
• “Soon Islam will become the dominating force in the world, occupying first place in the number of followers amongst all other religions.” 4
• “Is there a craft more beautiful, more sublime, more divine, than the craft of giving yourself to martyrdom and becoming holy? Do not doubt, Allah will prevail, and Islam will conquer mountain tops of the entire world.” 5
• “What is important is that they have shown the way to martyrdom which we must follow.” 6 [President Ahmadinejad’s comments on an aircraft crash in Tehran that killed 108 people in December 2005].
• Ahmadinejad praises Iran for being able to recruit thousands of suicide bombers a day. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad praised his country’s ability to recruit “hundreds of suicide bombers a day,” saying “suicide is an invincible weapon. Suicide bombers in this land showed us the way, and they enlighten our future.“ Amadinejad said the will to commit suicide was “one of the best ways of life.” 7
• “This regime (Israel) will one day disappear.” 8
• “The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm.” 9
• Israel is “a disgraceful stain on the Islamic world” 10
• Israel is doomed to be “wiped from the map” in “a war of destiny.” 11
• Ahmadinejad said that “the countdown for the destruction of Israel” has begun. 12
• Zionists are „the personification of Satan.“ 13
• “In the case of any unwise move by the fake regime of Israel, Iran’s response will be so destructive and quick that this regime will regret its move for ever.” 14
• Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declared that the Holocaust is a “myth.” 15
• “Them (the West) invented the myth of the massacre of the Jews and placed it above Allah, religions and prophets.” 16
Iran, its nuclear ambitions and sanctions:
• “By the grace of Allah, we (will be) a nuclear power.” 17
• Ahmadinejad fired off a fresh barrage of warnings to the United Nations, saying Iran did “not give a damn” about demands to freeze sensitive nuclear work. 18
• “Iran does not give a damn about resolutions.” 19
• “The Islamic republic of Iran has the capacity to quickly become a world superpower. If we believe in ourselves… no other power can be compared to us.“ 20
• “Iran’s enemies know your courage, faith and commitment to Islam and the land of Iran has created a powerful army that can powerfully defend the political borders and the integrity of the Iranian nation and cut off the hand of any aggressor and place the sign of disgrace on their forehead.” 21
• “Our enemies should know that they are unable to even slightly hurt our nation and they cannot create the tiniest obstacle on its glorious and progressive way.” 22
• “In parallel to the official political war there is a hidden war going on and the Islamic states should benefit from their economic potential to cut off the hands of the enemies.” 23
1 Naïm, Mouna, “Damas et Téhéran entendent “résister” ensemble,” Le Monde, January 21st, 2006
2 Pryce-Jones, David, “A Particular Madness—Understanding Iran’s Ahmadinejad,” National Review, May 8, 2006
3 Agence France Presse, April 28th, 2006
4 March 5th, 2006
5 MEMRI, July 29th, 2005
6 La Guardia, Anton, “’Divine mission’ driving Iran’s new leader Ahmadinejad’s confidence,” The Daily Telegraph, January 14th, 2006
7 Cohen, Dudi, “Iranian President lauds suicide bombers invincible,” YnetNews, April 1st, 2007
8 “Iran: Ahmadinejad annonce la «disparition» d’Israël,” Libération, May 11th, 2006
9 Baldwin, Tom, “The state of Israel will soon be history, says Iran’s President,” The Times, April 15th, 2006
10 Agence France Presse, April 28th, 2006
11 Agence France Presse, April 28th, 2006
12 “Ahmadinejad: Countdown to Israel’s destruction has begun,” YnetNews, June 3rd, 2007
13 “Satan in Person,” Süddeutsche Zeitung Online, March 1st, 2007
14 Williams, Stuart, “Ahmadinejad says Iran ready for ‘final nuclear step,” Agence France Presse, November 16th, 2006
15 Naïm, Mouna, “Damas et Téhéran entendent “résister” ensemble,” Le Monde, January 21st, 2006
16 Ghazi, Siavosh. “Ahmadinejad qualifie de “mythe” l’Holocauste, ne cède pas sur le nucléaire,” Agence France Presse, 14 December, 2005
17 “Les prix du pétrole reculent avec la dissipation des craintes sur l’essence,” Agence France Presse, April 27th, 2006.
18 Agence France Presse, April 28th, 2006
29 Agence France Presse, April 28th, 2006
20 Agence France Presse, April 28th, 2006
21 Agence France Presse, April 28th, 2006
22 Agence France Presse, April 28th, 2006
23 “Ahmadinejad threatens the Western world”, Süddeutsche Zeitung, January 22nd 2006
July 5th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Only the extremely naive (bless them) thinks propaganda is one-sided KIA.
Your point is?
July 5th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
reid
the Iranians are digging graves for their enemys as we type, for crying out loud, these guys have a massive arms industry. You seriously think we should say they don’t really mean it? stop it mr Ahmhsdhsgsshfsjad your being naughty, put that rocket down or we’ll send the UN with a whole book of wet bus tickets to slap you around with.
July 5th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Well spoken Shunda, keep believing what you think is right.
July 5th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Did anyone see the ‘barbarians’ with Terry Jones
The last episode showed Persia (Iran) ahnihilate Rome (America) three times. Each time a Roman emperor was executed.
History will repeat.
July 5th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
“Fran O’Sullivan notes that we appear to be refusing to condemn Iran’s nuclear programme, so that we do not get offside with the Islamic states whose support is needed to get elected.”
This may have escaped Fran and DPF’s attention, but New Zealand is a signatory of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty and this obliges us to uphold the right of Iran to pursue all avenues and benefits of peaceful nuclear technology.
And until someone provides evidence that Iran’s nuclear program is not peaceful and the IAEE admit they have no evidence to the contrary to date – then we are obligated by international law to support Iran.
July 5th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Its amazing how lefties support nuclear technology when its away from our political sphere. You guys are right. Where should we put our nuclear power plant, your place or mine?
July 5th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
I support nuclear technology full stop.
I live about 30 km from a nuclear power plant and I cant say anyone seems particularly concerned about it.
July 5th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
You reap what you sow.
In 1952 Iran had a democratically elected government same as Algeria had in 1991, who organised or supported their overthrow? Pakistan has nuclear weapons along with India neither have signed the non-proliferation treaties and both have been rewarded by the US. Democratically elected Salvador Allende was deposed and murdered by Pinochet, supported by who? There are many unmarked graves (as noted in another comment) scattered around the globe with the bones of idealist who believed in freedom but who were seen as a threat to the cozy status quo
Iran is an interesting example. I didn’t see too many Iranian names among the 9/11 bunch but the west is actually supportive of Saudi getting nuclear facilities? If you take an interest in Iran you would find their biggest problem at the moment is not finding space for the graves of their enemies but unemployment, inflation and a youth that is disgruntled with the religious oppression. The only thing that gets Ahmadinejad voted back again (yes they have elections) is the US threats that allow him a convenient diversion. Did you know that Los Angles is called little Tehran as there are so many Iranians living there yet there were none in the 9/11 (opps sorry for repeating)
Did the iron curtain fall because of an armed attack or was it because the wealth of a free world permeated the barrier and people just got sick of their drab life and oppressive regimes? Is the iron curtain going back up because people want oppressive regimes or the expanding military neighbours trying to push their borders out?
But back to Iran, as a final warning I have it on good authority ( a friends friends brothers sister) that if America attacks Iran the whole gulf region will go up as the Shiites make up a majority in several states and will take it upon themselves to impose majority rule unlike the little undemocratic states that exist with our support that they currently happen to endure.
Also any strike on Iran would have to be BIG (yes I used capitals!!) with over one thousand intense strikes and possible nuclear strikes. If Iran has done nothing but follow the law (which it has mostly) then the US will look very bad and lose all credibility as well as create a great climate of fear around the world this could very well see America isolated and rapidly very poor.
All you war mongers should realise that war is a failure of politics and no war has ever been won just suffered.
July 5th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
‘I support nuclear technology full stop.
I live about 30 km from a nuclear power plant and I cant say anyone seems particularly concerned about it.’
I basically thought that here in New Zealand, Nuclear power has been discouraged because there would be no justification in keeping power prices high. But an American has told me power bills are relatively equal whether nuclear or conventional.
No point going nuclear.
Kiki,, where are you from, your insights are very enlightenend.
July 5th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
kiki
There is a difference to being a war monger and a realist. If war becomes inevitable it needs to be done quickly and efficiently. If Brittan and France had attacked Hitler while he was in Poland ww2 would have been over in 2 weeks with millions of lives saved. Diplomacy comes to an end at some point.
That said I don’t think attacking Iran is a good idea at all, for the reasons you mentioned. The concern is if Isreal believes Iran to be a critical threat and attacks them and Iran retaliates, the USA may have no choice to join in and there will be a hell of a mess. The Iranians have a much more powerful military than most people realise, it would be nothing like Iraq.
The Iranian leadership have played a very clever political game and have made it very difficult for any one to justify force against them. If they are infact making nukes they will probably have them before anyone can do any thing about it.
July 5th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
“All you war mongers should realise that war is a failure of politics and no war has ever been won just suffered.”
So you would have just stood by and let Adolf process more and more of the people of Europe through his death camps? How admirable. Those who were rescued from certain death by the arrival of the allied army would have a slightly different viewpoint on war to you I would guess, spouting your pathetic piss weak hate America Marxist revisonist bullshit so typical of the left wing academia that have controlled education in the west for the last few decades.
July 5th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
WW2 was a continuation of WW 1 the failure to obtain anything from Versailles created WW 2 and most of the problems we experience now and WW1 it’s self was an ego driven war between leaders. As for Israel (again created from WW 1) it will only become more of a problem in the future from a sustainability point of view. As it is based on a religion it could no longer be democratic (which it really isn’t now) when the Arabic population exceeds the Jewish population at that point it would become a fascist state like all the rest around it. We really have to solve the problem of Israel which from the history of the way Jewish people have been treated will be a problem, during WW2 the young survivors realised that no-one will protect them and following the rules of the land just got them to a gas chamber. To be honest at present I can’t see a solution but recognising Hamas as the democratically elected government could be a start. Once they get lumbered with the daily hassles of running a state and being unable to hide behind Israel they might start moderating their approach.
Thank you for the compliment Riki but I don’t think I’m too enlightened. I just live in a very small south island town and was driven to the local library by boredom and went from being a left wing something to a anarchist leaning (don’t like big government) something. Horribly I think my rants are a bit of a ego trip but some of the things I read make my mind boil (blogs and books) so I just can’t resist
Cheers
July 5th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Kiki,, where are you from, your insights are very enlightenend.
Riiiight. Actually there was nothing in those “insights” that I have not read in several dozen left-wing authored books, countless articles, and probably thousands of blog comments over the last few years. Nothing new at all – heard it all before. Conventional wisdom in this country for the last 20 years. In a word – boring.
But of course in your world it just has to be you with a hammer and crowbar prying open a fracture in the wall-to-wall pro-American, pro-Israeli attitude of NZ society because you can never be part of the status quo.
Were that possibility ever to be entertained you’d have to wonder if you’re actually just a boring member of the herd bleating the same shit as the rest, a shill, a conformist afraid to speak up against the crowd, possibly a kneejerk reactionary. Nah – that’s just not possible for the likes of you or Riki, or Philu or Sonic or……. You always have to be the outsider, powerless, with few others thinking like you!
July 5th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
If National gets elected, they should drop our bid to be on the Human Rights Council, and concentrate on UN institutions which are not as discredited.
Non-discredited UN organisations? That would be a short list.
July 6th, 2008 at 12:07 am
The UN is a great idea in theory, but as is often the case reality is a very different story.
After doing some research into the Sebrenica massacre and the Rewandan genocide I developed a deep revoltion towards the UN.
That these hand wringing, politicaly correct, narcicists stood by with the power to help these people, while they were massacred is absolutely revolting.
So important to them are their liberal anti war ideals that they were happy to sacrifice the lives of over 1 million people.
Thats why it makes me sick when our govt go’s pandering around to the UN and defers any debate on social issues to “the UN said so”.
The UN should stick to giving hungry people food and watching people kill each other and forget about “human rights”
blaaa it makes me SICK!!!!!
July 6th, 2008 at 12:34 am
Will I guess KIA Israel is off Irans Chirstmas card list. My personal belief is that it’s all going to come to a head and God is going to come and do some serious heavy duty arse kicking, no doubt I will be one of the first to feel his warth, such is the plight of farmers.
As for human rights and this scaby arse government, give me a fucking break, the only rights a leftwing government understand is the right of government to tell the people how to conduct their lives, fuck them and fuck the people that say it is so. Serve the people, the government are our servants not our masters, unless they understand this then we shall not advance as a country let alone a human race..
July 6th, 2008 at 3:50 am
Hulun is, it seems to this observor, cosying up to the WHO now.
July 6th, 2008 at 4:44 am
The important message for John Key to take is that he should not forget his base.
Clark has acted outrageously over the last nine years and the only position his administration should be taking is that Clark is persona non grata. John Key will call the shots in three and half months and it is imperative that Clark is not allowed to represent New Zealand in any way or manner. He must pursue a “wither on the vine” policy as regards to Clarks future political ambitions. She can fade away just like David Lange only having achieved less and being more unpopular than him. A fitting end to New Zealand’s most divisive politician of recent years.
July 6th, 2008 at 5:00 am
So a position on some lezzer committee at the UN then?
July 6th, 2008 at 5:19 am
Reid
My point was abundantly clear. Despots with murderous intent have invariably signalled their intentions in advance – often quite unequivocally – Ahmajinadad is no different. They always have deniers like you to parse their words and claim them as mere propoganda. Churchill’s warnings about Hitler were often criticised as unncessary bellicose rhetoric (or propoganda as you might describe it).Fortunately the Israeli’s are not so naive. They will not allow Iran to go nuclear – they have the will, the military capability and the history of similar pre-emptive strikes to achieve their strategic aims. The UN as always will be powerless impotent onlookers – hanstrung by the commercial interests of the Chinese and Russians who protect and enable their client Iran.
July 6th, 2008 at 11:54 am
I assume KIA your comment includes “despots” like Olmert, Netenyahu, Cheney and Bush who have been signaling their aggressive intentions for years?
See if you can’t see that in this case the Israeli’s are not being the good guys, they are being the aggressors, then you’re missing the same thing that appeasers missed in WWII.
According to the NIE Iran is not about to go nuclear, although the people who are aggressive towards Iran have put out more disinformation in relation to that. Some people like you, who are ready to believe, are fooled by that.
You and many others who appear to believe it’s impossible for the US or Israel to do anything wrong and must be supported regardless, have been badly misled in the last 9 years especially, and you really need to adjust your blind loyalties and smell what’s really happened.