The “someone stole Winston’s cellphone” suggestion

September 10th, 2008 at 6:33 am by David Farrar

Reading the NZ Herald this morning, it strikes me how ludicrous ’s attempted defence of Winston was:

Yesterday Labour MP , a member of the committee, suggested Mr Glenn may have confused Winston Peters’ with his youngest brother Wayne in a vital phone call about the donation.

laughed out loud when told of the suggestion.

Wayne Peters had the right reaction. Poor Owen – first Labour MPs suggest he can’t tell Winston apart from Sir Howard Morrison, and then they suggest he can’t tell Winston apart from Wayne Peters on the phone.

Mr Fairbrother said he had no evidence to believe it was Wayne Peters, but had asked Mr Glenn “to test his evidence”.

Of course he had no evidence. It was a desperate attempt to find a way to clear Peters. This was not an off the cuff comment made once. Glenn was asked at length by Fairbrother and Cullen about whether Peters identified himself, what did Glenn mean by a first person conversation etc etc.

After the breakfast he called Mr Peters on his cellphone – he produced the phone record yesterday – to say yes to the donation and spoke to him for more than six minutes. The call finished about 1.32 NZ time.

About eight minutes later, Mr Glenn received an email from Mr Henry saying “further to your discussion with my client at 1.30 NZ time I provide my bank details … “

Tonight Winston will explain how one of his staff members answered his mobile phone for him, impersonated Winston, negotiated the donation upwards from $70,000 to $100,000, immediately phoned or e-mailed to tell him about the donation, and then totally forgot to mention it to Winston.

Mr Glenn’s evidence about consulting Mr Williams contradicts Mr Williams’ claim that the first he knew of a donation was on July 12 – when the Herald published emails from Mr Glenn to PR man Steve Fisher confirming he had given a donation.

It is now apparent that , and in all probability , not just knew about the donation in 2005, but actually approved it. was adamant on this point that he would not have donated without Labour’s okay.

This makes you wonder about who in Labour authorised the $250,000 offer to the Maori Party, in exchange for them agreeing to support Labour?

Mr Williams said last night his recollection was that they had discussed the likely outcome of Mr Peters’ electoral petition.

“I have no recollection of being asked or offering any comment on whether or not Mr Glenn should provide financial assistance to Mr Peters and I certainly did not discuss that possibility with anyone else.”

If people are having trouble working out who to believe, I suggest they re-read this post and this post regarding his performance on Agenda this year. Nine lies confusions in one interview. Plus the confusion he had over whether Owen Glenn had donated to the party since 2005. And the confusion last election over the pledge card when they told the Chief Electoral Office they would include it as an election expense and then recanted.

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20 Responses to “The “someone stole Winston’s cellphone” suggestion”

  1. Gerrit (107 comments) says:

    I would imagine Shane Jones threat to the Maori party to “shut up or else we will set the Labour maori members onto you” may well be an intimation that the $250K offer was from OG and with approval from Labour.

    Well done the Moari party for not taking the bribe.

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  2. dog_eat_dog (789 comments) says:

    I’m looking forward to all those charged with arms related offences after the terror raids now getting away scott-free because the phone calls recorded by police were not them, but someone who just sounded like them. Ridiculous.

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  3. Grant Michael McKenna (1,160 comments) says:

    Lies, damned lies and Labour.

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  4. newman24 (31 comments) says:

    GMM – I think that you are spot on! LOL

    When you consistently have to lie and cover up your tracks, you soon start to believe in your own lies. It is a damning shame for them to carry on with this ludicrous facade in the desperate attempt to fool the nation into believing that they are worthy to keep in the office for even a day longer.

    So, there was a story about a king who was told that the taylor had come up with a fantastic new cloth that only the most discerning people could see and he walked around naked until a little boy said, “Look Mummy, he’s not wearing any clothes!”

    I hope that it’s chilly enough for them to get frostbite!

    Integrity is the key. Let’s see good leadership start to shine through.

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  5. dad4justice (8,303 comments) says:

    Who said a lie cannot run forever because it has short legs? Wrong as Liarbour have legs the size of a giraffe .

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  6. Linda Reid (416 comments) says:

    This is the ugliest time ever in NZ politics. Our clean reputation for corruption-free politicians has gone.

    We now need to put in place systems that prevent this kind of crap ever happening again. And the incoming government need to offer additional ‘whistle-blowers’ protection for people who are willing to expose corruption to the sanitising effect of daylight.

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  7. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Grant MM speaks the truth again.

    Lyin’ cheatin’ scumbags. Are the laybore party front bench auuustraaalians? If so, f*ck orf back there (or infact just f*ck orf fullstop).

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  8. Spam (588 comments) says:

    Mike Williams was on with Paul Holmes this morning explaining how Glenn had not discussed the donation with him, and had certainly not asked for approval – they had discussed Winston’s electroal petition chances, and investment opportunities in NZ. Apparently.

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  9. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    where are McPhail and Gadsby when you need them?

    “Moike, Moike (yells Hulun), whoiy woire you orn Owen Glunns superyaught in Monacoh?”

    “Prime Minister, its all a vicious loi, Oi was helping poor people in Glen Innes attha toime, honust”

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  10. siobhan (278 comments) says:

    Re: Williams on Holmes this morning:

    WEASEL WORDS, WEASEL WORDS AND MORE WEASEL WORDS!
    They discussed New Zealand First, but Williams “did not recall” a 100K donation being mentioned.

    “did not recall” is labour code for “confused”, and for the rest of us “did not recall” is code for “I’m lying through my teeth right now”.

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  11. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    this is the death knell of labour, winnnie first, hulun, mikhael and winnie.

    bye bye.

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  12. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Maybe Wssule (ANOTHER leftie called Wussle) would like to be so vigorous in asking Winston Poodles some stupid questions to “to test his evidence”?

    No? Thought not.

    Hey Wussle, you’re fired.

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  13. workingman (79 comments) says:

    Do government Ministers carry around 2 phones? The first is a published number that donors, journos, etc can call them on, anyone can answer that phone and thus make it easy for Owen Glenn to be confused as to who he is talking to. The second phone is reserved for ‘important’ people, Helen Clark, Condi, Mike Williams etc. Only Winston can answer this phone, as I can imagine Helen and Condi would not be very impressed to find out at a later date that when they thought they were speaking to the right honourable Winston Peters, Minister of Foreign Affairs, they were actually dealing with Wayne Peters.

    As I understand it most MSM recognised the phone number as being WP’s mobile number, so they must call it sometimes. Have any of them has unusual phone calls with Wayne Peters?

    One lie after another is being revealed as all the supporting infrastructure buckles under all this pressure. This is why telling lies consistently is so hard, as in the end lies rely on other lies, so when one lie is revealed the rest of the lies just collapse. This is even more evident when multiple people are involved in these lies, and people surrounding them are not prepared to lie and ruin their own reputations.

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  14. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    With regards to Mike Williams, Who else remembers Williams dropping Helen Clark in it with regards to the $100k interest free loan from Owen Glenn?

    For those who do not, how about this refresher

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/4407353a6000.html

    The dates are especially relevant, given that this all came to a head about the time that Clark was told of the donation and Williams involvement by Glenn himself. Does anyone really think that in discussions with Williams over the non disclosure of the Interest Free Loan and it’s resulting Interest foregone, which had to be declared and was not, that Clark would not have enquired if there was any other relevant issues?

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  15. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Soibhan isn’t it a worry how so many in government have failing memories? Prehaps acc levies should be increased for politicians given that there appears to be a strong link for the early onset of alzheimers disease once they are enter parliament,

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  16. AM2 (30 comments) says:

    I am ‘Winston Peters is corrupt Sceptic.’ No not spectical of Winston and his activities but rather of all the charges against him

    A ‘Winston Peters is corrupt Sceptic’ is a bit like a Human induced climate change sceptic in that despite an overwhelming body of evidence to the contrary I still believe that Winston is not Corrupt.

    How are these things linked you may ask? It is denial in the face of all evidence to the contrary…saying that there is also another link. Rodney Hyde the scourge of Winston has also come out with this heavily flawed Climate Sceptical rant…see below

    http://www.act.org.nz/dump-the-ets

    If this is the extent of Rodney’s analytical skills then maybe Winston is innocent. Or maybe Rodney is barking and Winston is a crook…I suspect the latter.

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  17. getstaffed (9,186 comments) says:

    AM2 – Winston lies and takes donations from fishing and racing industry players who later enjoy a more favourable regulatory environment for their businesses. Are you a sceptic by choice, or does the 9th floor pay you to say as much?

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  18. AM2 (30 comments) says:

    Hey getstaffed did you read my comment????

    I was being sarcastic…I am not a sceptic at all…I believe that Winston is corrupt. Previously I though he was just malign and machiavellian but now I would add corrupt to that.

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  19. DJP6-25 (1,389 comments) says:

    The good thing about telling the truth is that there is less to remember. This always trips Socialists up. They are trying to build paradise on earth. This is not possible of course. However the idea is terribly alluring. They beleive that the end justifies the means. Instead of giving up when stuff goes wrong, they can only lie, obfuscate and smear. Indeed this is usually their first course of action.

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  20. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,753 comments) says:

    Labour party MP’s (Those that actually get back into parliament) will have a lot of feel time on their hands after 8 November, what being in opposition and all.

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