The corruption of the Clark/Peters Government

October 28th, 2008 at 6:41 pm by David Farrar

One News revealed tonight that Winston Peters aggressively pushed for to be appointed Consul to , despite denying he did so. The Government has refused for eight months to release this information, but finally the Ombudsman forced it out of them.

The documents show Peters on multiple occassions asked for progress and was reported to be testy that were taking so long to do it. Watch the video for the full details. concluded:

A report prepared in November concluded that the position was marginal and if it did go ahead they recommended another candidate named Franco Repetto, saying he lived in Monaco full time while Glenn was there just three months a year.

Now it has been established that Winston Peters knew about the donation when it was made in 2005. It was also cleared with Mike Williams at the time, and knew about it either also at the time, or at the latest in February 2008.

Clark sat on this info for at least six months, claiming not to know if it was true. This is despite the fact she would have been aware that Peters had been aggressively pushing for Glenn to be appointed Consul.

Did Clark notify the Cabinet Secretary or the MFAT CEO about the (then alleged) donation from Glenn to Peters? Did she tell them that Owen Glenn had confirmed to her he made a donation?

Clark’s ethics are amazing. She is aghast at having 1,000 shares in Contact Energy several years ago, yet she has no problem with her Foreign Affairs Minister receiving $100,000 donations from individuals and then aggressively pushing to give them a diplomatic appointment.

This is not an isolated case. Clark knows that the Vela Family have donated around $250,000 to NZ First and indeed $40,000 to Peters personally (paying off the Clarkson debt). And she knows that Peters forced her Government to agree to very generous funding of the racing industry, against advice of officials.

And what is her response to this? Totally unconcerned. She keeps paying Winston a Ministerial salary even though he won’t even front up to a debate on foreign policy. She says she’ll happily work with him after the election, so long as it increases her chances of desperately clinging to power.

The hypocrisy of her suggesting should relinquish a Ministerial warrant for expressing a post-election coalition preference, while keeping Winston on despite multiple proven lies, false evidence and basically corrupt behaviour.

This is Helen Clark’s world. If you are willing to vote for her to remain Prime Minister, she will turn a blind eye to any amount of misdeeds or worse. Hence in her mind there is nothing wrong with calling for Peter Dunne to resign his warrant, but keeping Winston Peters on.

This reinforces for me why we need an . She covered up over Taito Philip Field with an inquiry given no powers. She kept quiet for months about Winston, and the latest stuff with Shane Jones is being dealt with by way of a Departmental inquiry which by definition can not investigate the Ministers involved.

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72 Responses to “The corruption of the Clark/Peters Government”

  1. kevin_mcm (152 comments) says:

    and you sound surprised! watch this one go from sight within 24 hours as the media ignore

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  2. Ratbiter (1,265 comments) says:

    “She says she’ll happily work with him after the election, so long as it increases her chances of desperately clinging to power.”

    Here’s the thing with MMP: The most votes governs. It’s not all about National vs Labour any more. Perhaps this isn’t the way democracy is supposed to be, in your mind?

    [DPF: Ratbiter misses the point. It is called having even a minimal level of ethics. A foreign concept I know. The issue is Clark has refused to sack Peters despite numerous lies he has told. This means that Clark is happy to have liars in Cabinet, so long as it keeps her in power. You obviously agree with her approach]

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  3. kevin_mcm (152 comments) says:

    it’s about expecting a certain level of integrity, which neither Labour nor NZF have achieved.

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  4. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    Winston Peters at a NZF election fundraiser last week stated:

    “When this is over, in comparison Winston Peters will look like Mother Theresa compared to John Key and the National party”

    I’ve just heard the Mother Teresa Missionaries of Charities Foundation will commence defamation proceedings against Winston immediately

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  5. coventry (321 comments) says:

    This Election is about TRUST, not INTEGRITY.

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  6. Ratbiter (1,265 comments) says:

    And fortunately, the electorate gets to decide how foreign a concept a minimum level of ethics is, on November 8th…

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  7. Storm (15 comments) says:

    We’ve been saying that NZ needs ICAC for years, but I simply don’t see it happening. In Hong Kong ICAC answers straight to the top, they have the power over law enforcement agencies if there’s an investigation, in fact over anyone who is investigated (with probable cause of course). In NZ, I can’t imagine if such an agency has to report to Helen Clark, and she’ll no doubt terminate their investigation, or try to scrap the agency altogether (Hi there SFO).

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  8. wreck1080 (3,924 comments) says:

    Of course he was pushing for it. I don’t know what else you would have thought?

    I’d say, the majority of hardcore labour / nz first supporters don’t give a rats arse what winnie did.

    And I agree , this is corruption. But, he seems to be getting away with it.

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  9. Ratbiter (1,265 comments) says:

    “Clark’s ethics are amazing. She is aghast at Gerry Brownlee having 1,000 shares in Contact Energy several years ago, yet she has no problem with her Foreign Affairs Minister receiving $100,000 donations from individuals and then aggressively pushing to give them a diplomatic appointment.”

    You, on the other hand, seem to be taking exactly the opposite viewpoint, “TweedleDUM isn’t corrupt. TweedleDEE is” and then knock Clark for being little more than your negative image!

    [DPF: Wow you are seriously twisted. Best moral equivalance yet. Pocketing $100,000 personal donation and trying to appoint your donor to a Consulship is so the same as asking a public question or two to a Minister on a company, which even if it affected the share price (which is highly unlikely) it might make you $200 or so. Hell an MP earns that much in three hours. You really are getting desperate]

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  10. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    DPF Clark said on the news that she ‘nipped it in the bud” when she first heard of the donations.

    Q; When did she nip it in the bud? –
    A; Not Feb 2008 – apparently 2007

    “TVNZ TIMELINE: NZ First donations saga
    August 28, 2008
    Prime Minister Helen Clark confirms Glenn told her in February he had donated $100,000 to New Zealand First. She then asked Winston Peters about the matter but he told her his party had not received any money from Glenn.”

    Of course she believed Winston in 2008, but not 2007?

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  11. Lee (610 comments) says:

    “The Government has refused for eight months to release this information, but finally the Ombudsman forced it out of them.”

    That says it all.

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  12. Ratbiter (1,265 comments) says:

    I don’t see the dollar value as seriously affecting the moral equivalence. The idea of MPs spending house time asking pointed questions knowing full well that it affects the value of ANY of their private investments absolutely appalls me. Should I just trust in Key and Brownlee that what’s good for their share values is good for me and the country too?

    (Edit: Or is the privilege of working on your portolio on company time one of the baubles of office that is acceptable?)

    I don’t have a problem with criticism of Winston – the guy is a slimy as they come. But Clark has done whatever she has had to do to hold their govt together for the full term, in order to further their policy programme. (Their Electorally mandated policy programme.) To me (as a Labour voter) evidence that she is motivated by personal greed would be far more insidious, (well ACTUALLY insidious) and at that stage I would be joining you in baying for her blood.

    But I have yet to read a satisfactory argument anywhere that Clark is motivated by the value of her share portfolio, or her family trust’s. Not that this seems to stop you from criticizing the “appalling corruption” of Clark at every opportunity, while ignoring the matter of the Key/Brownlee Share Club and their self-serving activities to the point that you seem to actively suppress discussion of it here.

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  13. Lee (610 comments) says:

    “evidence that she is motivated by personal greed would be far more insidious”

    She is. Greed for power and control.

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  14. Spam (588 comments) says:

    Ratbiter: I suppose you are also therefore outraged at Jeanette Fitzsimmon’s interests in Fletcher Building (1 Billion fund to insulate homes) and her interests in Wind Turbines (whilst supporting moratorium on new thermal power).

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  15. GPT1 (2,122 comments) says:

    Winston is a liar and a hypocrite. Most of the electorate desperately hope that slightly more than 95% of voters realise this and we are rid of him.

    Clark doesn’t seem to care. She has twisted and turned to avoid having to do anything about blatant lies. She needs to be called to account.

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  16. Ratbiter (1,265 comments) says:

    Does greed really help one to hold on to democratically-elected power?

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  17. Ratbiter (1,265 comments) says:

    Spam: I would be – if she has been using ostensibly Green policy to work on those interests. Reference for / evidence of this…??

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  18. Lee (610 comments) says:

    “Does greed really help one to hold on to democratically-elected power?”

    When that power is gained with anti-democratic laws like the EFA, and by sucking up to corrupt criminals like Winston.

    Plus, you keep talking about their mandate.

    How do I put this?

    BULLSHIT.

    Clark had NO mandate to ban smacking. Over 80% of the population opposed it and the lying cow went ahead anyway. Plus she did so after LYING to NZ that she would not do so NO MANDATE!!!!!

    Your full of shit rateater, and Helen is full of lust and greed for power.

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  19. Duxton (654 comments) says:

    You, ratbiter, are a shitbag.

    Piss off.

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  20. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    Helen Clark stated on the News (verbatim)

    “I’m sure that he (Peters) genuinely believed that he (Glenn) was because there are many such people but from my part once I heard there had been a donation – or Mr Glenn believed there had been one I didn’t think it was appropriate”

    Glenn was no longer considered in 2007 – not Feb 2008! (She lied!)

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  21. NeillR (351 comments) says:

    Poor Owen Glenn has been stitched up here. The scenario goes like this:
    OG wants the Monaco job, gives $500k to Labour.
    Labour gets back into power in 2005 and they say – well matey we’ve just had to give Winston the MOFA role, so it’s going to cost you another $100k to get the consul position.
    H1 tells MW to organise it, seeing as how he is the money machine.
    MW puts OG in touch with WP and BH.
    OG pays over $100k to Winston and thinks the consulship is in the bag.
    Winnie lobbies the officials who say there’s no reason to appoint him (under instructions from H1).
    The MOFA advise that their advice is not to appoint a consul.
    WP rings OG and says – sorry matey, it’s not a goer.
    OG realises he’s been stitched up and starts releasing documents to the media.
    H1 calls him aside at the opening of the OG building and OG tells her she ain’t seen nothing yet.
    Documents start being leaked to the msm who fumble the ball because H1 tells them there’s no story, nothing to see here.
    MSM realise (six months later) that H1 has been conning them, begin to spill.
    The whole affair becomes big news – about a year after it should, but right before the election.
    Nov 9th – OG rings H1 to tell her that she shouldn’t have fucked with the big boys.
    2009 – National reveals an anonymous donation of $1m from a newly formed trust.

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  22. francis (712 comments) says:

    I was a bit surprised to see Peters completely baffle MS tonight when MS got him on camera live. Maybe Peters actually IS smarter than the media, at least on the hop.

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  23. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    It wouldn’t matter how much bullshit floats to the surface regarding poodle man and the Dear Leader you only have to listen to nightime talkback to hear the poodle’s and Dear Leader’s worshiphers dribble on as though they were gods. This country’s future is in the hands of braindead zombie voters that wouldn’t give a flying fuck if the poodle and dear leader were mass murders.

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  24. Ratbiter (1,265 comments) says:

    # Duxton (293) 2 0 Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
    You, ratbiter, are a shitbag.
    Piss off.

    You’ve convinced me Duxton. I’m going to piss off now.

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  25. democracymum (648 comments) says:

    Winston’s excuse was to try and make it look as though he had inherited Owen Glenn’s ambition for the job
    But the Foreign Secretary’s emails made reference to the name being unknown to him
    This must mean it was initiated by Winston

    Helen did not choose her words very carefully tonight either and made a slip of the tongue regarding
    “once I heard there had been a donation” before correcting herself to say “or Mr Glenn believed there had
    been one”

    Remember her story had been, she did not know who to believe
    But it sounds as though she had believed there had been a donation all along.

    NeillR Your assessment seems right on the money

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  26. Lee (610 comments) says:

    Sadly, what side show bob said is largely true.

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  27. Lindsay Addie (1,532 comments) says:

    TVNZ have posted the video of Guyon Espiner from tonite’s news:
    http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/576182/2238407

    The url is under the photo of the poodle, there is a link to the infamous ‘no’ press conference there too.

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  28. Lee (610 comments) says:

    Gotta say, good on One News for aggressively pursuing this. Sometimes the MSM gets it right. Lets hope they keep up the pressure, especially on Clark.

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  29. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    NZ honorary consuls $ 100k,
    NZ Passports $5k

    …..well Helen Clark did admit the Clark/Peters Government lacked any business experience

    (and to think it only cost Jim Bolger his integrity for Chair of Kiwibank/rail)

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  30. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    Lindsay – this one has the entire story
    http://tvnzondemand.co.nz/content/one_news_update/ondemand_video_skin?tab=ONDEMAND%20NCA

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  31. Simon (728 comments) says:

    Clark made Peters FA minister in 2005 so she could funnel donor money and get that muppert Peters to do all the dirty
    work.

    Clark brought and paid for Peters.

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  32. coventry (321 comments) says:

    NeillR – you forgot this tho.

    2009 – National appoint OG to Consul of Monaco and award purple heart.

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  33. Paul Marsden (998 comments) says:

    Peter’s charming and outward disposition, belies a dispicable, disengenous, and obnoxious person. Not only does he bring himself into disrepute, but the legal profession (and by association, the courts and judicary), and of course Parlimanent itself. But he’s not stupid, and you have to wonder how much of this nonsense he orchestrates himself, knowing full-well the media attention, but betting on his charm and skilfull lying, to convince the dumbest of the dumb.

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  34. GerryandthePM (328 comments) says:

    What we have here is weasel words.

    It is all about trust

    It should be all about trustworthiness.

    If I “trust” Clark and she lies, I am to blame for being such a trusting fool.

    However, if Clark claims to be “trustworthy” and then lies, she has deceived me and is the culpable one.

    But she hasn’t claimed trustworthiness has she?

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  35. Burrt Badger (21 comments) says:

    All I can say is that I am ashamed to be a Kiwi. There is so much corruption within our Governing system, that we will end up with another corrupt Labour Government after this election, because NZers are so fucking stupid that they cannot see or do not want to see what is happening.
    I am a fiercly proud Kiwi!!!!!!! However, I now have to concede that moving overseas is probably my only option.
    I am not a “Rich Prick” althought Cullen tells me I am, I am simply a hard working, Self Employed Kiwi, who, under a fourth term Labour Government, cannot stay here and be shafted any longer. God I wish that New Zealanders had the intelligence to wake up and see what is being done to them!!!

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  36. Lindsay Addie (1,532 comments) says:

    Patrick Starr,

    Thanks for the link to the full vid, I’ll post it on my blog.

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  37. mickysavage (786 comments) says:

    Oh Dear

    Consul General is not a plumb job. You get paid little and you are nothing more than a glorified Immigration Clerk although you get invited to the odd cocktail party.

    It looks like Helen taking over has secured the release of the information. Perhaps credit should be given to her about that rather than accusing her of corruption. The news is mostly rehashed and there is not the slightest suggestion that Helen knew about the emails until later. And the information has been released while she is foreign minister.

    This really is a rehash of old news. What about Key’s shareholding? This is much more interesting and involves the use by an MP of work related information to make a personal benefit. I hear that Brownlee has been doing the same.

    NeillR you really should follow a career in creative writing. The sad thing is that others seem to have accepted what you said as gospel.

    [DPF: Nice attempt at sycophancy but facts wrong. Clark refused to release info also - Ombudsman ruled it must be released]

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  38. dad4justice (8,238 comments) says:

    Maybe Mr Glenn could provide funding for the much needed LiarbourFirst maximum security prison where society could house fraudsters in the Winston Wing and psychotic maniacs in the Klarkula Wing?

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  39. Ross Miller (1,704 comments) says:

    Peters claimed he was brought up in a tent. Guess that was a deliberate ploy desinged to reinforce the belief held by many of his demented followers that he is another messiah. Problem is that just like Jim and Tammy Baker … the magic has long gone and all that is left is a rather petulant old man unable to grasp the simple truism that you can’t fool all of the the people all of the time … or hopefully even 5%.

    The reality is of course that Winston First was never created … he just happened much like Frankinstein but minus his more endearing qualities.

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  40. mawm (211 comments) says:

    we will end up with another corrupt Labour Government after this election, because NZers are so fucking stupid

    Burrt Badger – I don’t think Kiwis are so stupid – it is just that there are so many who do nothing but think of themselves and are quite happy to keep on voting for a corrupt government as long as they are getting money that they don’t deserve from them.

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  41. peterquixote (231 comments) says:

    all so true Farrar, but have you noticed that the Greens have 9%,
    and will help form a weak and useless and corrupt 2008 Government.
    You have to do something Farrar and now,
    or also you could come to Australia with me
    90 cents exchange Farrar
    what you say,

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  42. freethinker (691 comments) says:

    Question for the next leaders debate – Is a person who…………….. decribe the WP/OG saga and then is instrumental in attempting to subvert the democratic process by using their position to prevent the timely release of important information that may influence voters, a totally corrupt person unsuitable for public office and if not what is your excuse. I can just see HC storming from tyhe studio in a smoking rage – I wish. Talking of wishes I hope Wishart has more toxic shit to annoint the Prime Liar with before the 8th.

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  43. reid (16,514 comments) says:

    Well so what? Anyone who didn’t already know Hulun’s administration is corrupt is a moron.

    Apparently there are approx 46% of voting age morons in NZ.

    It’s amazing lefty-mouthpiece TVNZ exposed Peters, but then maybe they’re just following Hulun’s speculated strategy: sabotage Peters so Hulun doesn’t have that albatross.

    What’s really amazing is that our genuinely uncorrupt and impartial civil-service have decided to start leaking. They didn’t do it for the BNZ but they are doing it to expose Hulun’s corruption.

    Which shows how significant it is.

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  44. deanknight (263 comments) says:

    Of course, to the extent that it’s relevant, any proposal to appoint a honorary consul never made it to Cabinet:

    > LAWS179: “Honorary Consul to Monaco – Cabinet Papers”

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  45. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    OK. So now Peters needs to defend the position that he was being bought by Glenn to provide the position. Something he’s always needed to defend but now there is a paper trail saying he pushed for it so he can’t say the whole thing is baseless allegations. The fact he didn’t declare the ‘donation’ and denied it shows there was intent to mislead the public over his association with Owen Glenn.

    Ok, so this moves us to the Vela family donations. Also not declared. The tax cuts for the racing industry in 2006 and the allocation of public funds into prize money to the tune of $9m in this years budget.

    Oh dear Winston, according to WhaleOil it’s been 60 days, 5 hours, 47 minutes since Winston said it could all be cleared up in about 3 minutes…

    Hopefully the fact the PM allowed the Ombudsman to release these documents as he was demanded to do indicates that there is more trouble ahead for Winston. It would be wise for the PM to be seen to be casting him loose. She never had anything to gain by standing by him in the first place, what did she think she was doing?

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  46. radvad (767 comments) says:

    I smell the same rat as NeillR.

    Glen expresses interest in Consul job in 2002.
    Meets Clark in Sydney at a function in 2004 or 2005.
    Offers ClarkLabour $500,000
    Claims he supports Labour because they want a free trade agreement with China
    After 2005 election Peters becomes foreign Minister so Glenn’s appointment must come thru’ him.
    This requires Glen to divvy up some more dosh so Winnie can sue Clarkson and hopefully win, thus strengthening the Labour NZ1 axis.
    Winnie of course opposes free trade.
    Thus the free trade story was just a cover for the real reason for the donations to Labour and NZ1.
    I reckon Clark and Glen did this deal right from day one and Winnie but to be brought on board at a cost of $100,000.
    Keep digging Fran Mold and MSM

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  47. wreck1080 (3,924 comments) says:

    Actually, I think the story about Dover Samuels being involved with this chinese immigrant smells pretty bad too. Very very nasty actually, there seems to be quite some unprofessional behaviour going on.

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  48. reid (16,514 comments) says:

    Fran Mold????

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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  49. reid (16,514 comments) says:

    “there seems to be quite some unprofessional behaviour going on”

    Yes indeed wreck, astute observation. Shame it wasn’t about nine years ago when the rest of us first picked it up but better late than never.

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  50. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    I’m with reid. It started with Doone in 1999. Some saw it immediately, others have taken an exponentially long time to catch on. Others are still outside the thin end of the bell curve on time taken to notice and need not be considered. The most concentrated populace of these rare people can be found at the standard. I think they genuinely don’t believe the stuff reasonable people warn them about.

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  51. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    Intereresting comparison between the amount of spin doctors on the tax payer payroll in the UK, and here.

    http://www.order-order.com/2008/10/government-of-spinners-by-spinners-for.html

    Just compare the numbers by per Capita. Don’t forget that the UK has 60m OFFICIAL population in a few Islands smaller than NZ.

    What is the number of spindoctors here that are admiitted. 511 plus communication officers!

    The game is over Helen!

    Bye Bye!

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  52. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    It amazes me that not only do kiwis not notice the elephant standing in the lounge, but that it has recently developed severe diarrhea that is running everywhere, stinking out the entire joint.
    What the hell is it going to take for the crap to stick to these corrupt, narcissistic control freaks?
    I have met people recently that really just don’t get it, one guy said he is a “labour man” yet couldn’t even define what that meant.
    Some (many?) people just don’t require themselves to be involved in whats going on in their own country, yet will be the first to complain when the recession starts to bite.
    Sadly many kiwi’s have become self imposed political zombies and they mock anyone who uses their brain for more than basic functions.
    When confronted with an issue like a potential (and possibly severre) recession, they simply state something that amounts to, “oh I don’t like the idea of a recession so I don’t believe in it”.
    How stupid can you get and still breathe?

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  53. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    There is a lot more sleaze to come down the tubes!

    A lot more actually.

    So drones, how about that wager?

    I could be silly and suggest a 70% National vote, like the Internal polling is showing HC.

    But that would be taking the piss. I will stick on the safe 55%. Micky SheepSavage has signed on?

    Who is next?

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  54. reid (16,514 comments) says:

    “How stupid can you get and still breathe?”

    Apparently, very stupid indeed, Shunda.

    Power of the media.

    I mean imagine if we had some Shortland St bimbo running for Parliament. It would be on every freakin night, FFS.

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  55. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    Because I live in a traditional Labour stronghold, I come accross many older people who are still staunch labour supporters.
    It is beginning to really disturb me how stubborn some people are and also a bit tragic, because the labour party they are supporting died about 20 years ago.
    I hear these people talking about the torries and all this ancient irrelevent stuff that has little to do with anything going on today. You talk to the younger generation of these families and they vote for who ever grandad votes for, they just don’t get that the ideals they think they’re voting for have nothing to do with the current labour party.
    They will moan about the greenies, and bloody well vote them in on the back of some long dead labour movement!!! :roll:

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  56. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    Helen Clark is about to recognise that she has lost contol soon.

    Just watch the meltdown!

    It won’t be pretty.

    Still when you are able to sanction the purchase of a huge station in the South Island for idylic walks with your

    mates, and refuse to pay for Herceptin it has been a long time in the coming!

    This is additional confirmation of the deep and lingering corruption in the Weevil AXIS.

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  57. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    On reflection it is not beyond the bounds of possibilty that quite a few Labour First AXIS of Weevil will be brought before the beak, and a good percentage will be going to Prison.

    The whole scam is unravelling, and the tax payer funded spin doctors are panicking!

    Helen Clark is not going to sleep so well. And her wart will be very agitated!

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  58. kiwipolemicist (393 comments) says:

    If we have an ICAC it must be an elected Commission that anyone can stand for: only then will it be free of government interference.

    Herr Helen is proof that Marxists will do whatever it takes to get power and control: about the only thing that Helen hasn’t done is murder (as far as we know).

    It’s a good thing that the NZ military is useless: I wouldn’t want a despot like Helen having access to a good military force.

    Who’s in favour of giving Helen a one way ticket to North Korea, without diplomatic status?

    http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/joke-of-the-day-helen-clark-invokes-natural-justice-and-fair-process/

    http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2008/08/18/never-trust-a-marxist/

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  59. reid (16,514 comments) says:

    “It is beginning to really disturb me how stubborn some people are and also a bit tragic, because the labour party they are supporting died about 20 years ago.”

    You know, the tragedy is Shunda, that the Labour Party used to stand for something called integrity and values. People like Douglas, Prebble and Basset when first elected really stood for the ideals which MJS espoused and that’s a fact, whether or not today’s yoof understand it. Those people (as real conservatives know), actually advocate for the working person, but their message (which they continue to stick to), has been lost in the noise thrown up by those with a vested interest in obfuscating it.

    Over the years and starting with Lange, Labour’s integrity has become tainted with self-interest, lust for power and arrogance. It’s a tragedy their own long-term supporters don’t recognise it and attempt to correct the course, but that’s also a testament to the guile of the current crop with respect to their powers of deception.

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  60. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    “You know, the tragedy is Shunda, that the Labour Party used to stand for something called integrity and values.”

    Yes Reid, and its sad when you hear of the few old folks that realise this is no longer the case for their beloved labour party. I have read the odd letter to the editor recently from old folks who have voted labour all of their lives until now, and these people are really heart broken about it, the rest of them just don’t want to face reality I guess.

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  61. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Oh yes Hulun. http://www.stuff.co.nz/vote08/4742234a28435.html

    And when did you ‘cut Glenn loose’? Before or after you lied about knowing what was going on to the NZ public?!

    Fucking lying old trout.

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  62. Lindsay Addie (1,532 comments) says:

    The Poodle is on Morning Report with Shaun Plunket and he’s downright pathetic.

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  63. wreck1080 (3,924 comments) says:

    Heard of cash for peers? In the UK it was corrupt, here it seems to be the accepted way for Labour/NZ First to finance themselves. Must be accepted, since noone has been punished.

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  64. Lindsay Addie (1,532 comments) says:

    wreck1080,

    You’re right, the trouble is that here in NZ too many people turn a blind eye to these goings on. In the UK the media would slaughter anyone who tried this sort of crap.

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  65. Wycroft (873 comments) says:

    Redbaiter and one or two others were seeking clarification on Jeanette Fitzsimmons’ past/present conflicts of interest.

    Agenda, 07.08.04
    Jeanette Fitzsimmons
    Interviewed by Simon Dallow
    Simon Dallow:
    “So what do you see as the answer for our future electricity generation needs?”

    Jeanette Fitzsimmons:
    “The answer for the future is a jigsaw. It’s a number of pieces that have to fit together, but together they can work. The first thing is much greater energy efficiency. We are wasting 20-30% of all the electricity we produce in technologies that are not up to scratch and wasteful behaviour comes on top of that. We can make big changes there quite cheaply.
    “Secondly, for electricity, the big coming thing is wind. Yesterday I stood on the top of the Tararuas at the opening of the southern hemisphere’s largest wind farm and it was awesome. They were actually beautiful machines, beautifully designed, totally silent. I stood right underneath them and couldn’t hear a thing. That’s producing 90 megawatts. There’s scope for a lot more of that. There are very good wind sites all over New Zealand.”

    This is the woman who chaired the Environment Select Committee through its hearings on Project Aqua in the months just prior to this interview, who’s vote was crucial to the quashing of that scheme, and who never revealed to that committee that she had a conflict by owning well over 100,000 shares in listed wind turbine manufacturer Windflow Technology, a company that stood to benefit markedly from the line her committee was drawing in the sand over the viability of major new hydro projects. And her response, when it was revealed she’d never told Parliament of her shareholding in Windflow Technology? “Well, it’s no secret that I’m an advocate for efficient energy production.’’ Nothing to see here; because I’m Green, and therefore better than you, I can have conflicts – you can’t.

    Fitzsimmons then waited till the stink died down and quietly sold the shares (or transferred them to a trust, thereby hiding her interest) prior to the 2005 election.

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  66. PhilBest (5,125 comments) says:

    Chris Trotter completely candidly provided the best summing up of the underlying problem here. There is “corruption”, and there is “good corruption”, that advances the cause of socialism. Helen Clark and her colleagues would not be that candid but it actually IS the way they think, and it is the way their supporters think, and as for the people who vote for them, it obviously doesn’t matter enough to them. That is, about one in 3 New Zealanders. Is it just me, or is that disturbing; could you trust those NZ-ers to, say, honour a personal promise or pay for a service for which credit has been given on trust?

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  67. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    What we have here is yet another indication of just how far the Labour Party will go in order to retain power. We have seen examples of Labour putting principles aside in its pursuit, and the devastation that will be wrought by a Labour government having to kowtow to the greens in order to remain in power should be frightening.

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  68. curious (3 comments) says:

    Slightly off-thread but to me HK underlined the suspicion that all was not ‘electorally mandated policy ‘ when she dumped Doone for one of her own. Appointed her ex Landlady as Governor General and her ex flatmate as Minister for Auckland.Oddly then the ex President of the Labour Party was made a Minister and his ex wife remained as her secretary.I don’t remember a referendum to remove our access to the Privy Council, legalise Prostitution,fiddle with abortion laws or the smacking rubbish…..its about Trust alright….total lack of it HK.

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  69. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    ratbiter is a typical socialist supporter Like Trotter et al The end always justifies the means . For them.

    But if anyone else does the same them watch them whine and complain

    The socilaists are the ultimate 2 faced arse holes Crazy Clark can dish it out but cant take the same medicine.

    She and They have no principles no ethics and no morals. She and they have no empathy.

    For the past 9 years NZ has been subject to the most unprincipled unethical and immoral government in all its history

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  70. NeillR (351 comments) says:

    NeillR you really should follow a career in creative writing. The sad thing is that others seem to have accepted what you said as gospel.
    Yeah, strange that the Privileges committee were sucked in by what i wrote and that Owen Glenn backs it up too!

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  71. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Hear, hear gd

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  72. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    Listening to Clark on RNZ today she now openly states she believed Owen Glenn;

    “When a man tells you he believes he made a donation you’re inclined to believe that, then the man who says it went to said he knew nothing of any donation”

    Clark says this related to February 2008, yet in Parliament in July, August and September 2008 she stated;

    “I’ve made it clear all the way through this round of allegations that I accept an honourable member’s word as his bond unless I have reason to doubt it.”

    Clearly she now admits she did doubt Winston Peter’s word –so she mislead parliament

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