Final secret tape due today or tomorrow
November 4th, 2008 at 8:25 am by David FarrarHaving failed with the neutron bomb, I expect the final secret tape recording to be released to the media today or tomorrow. The rumour is it is of John Key. The last one was merely Bill English saying it is good to win elections, so not sure whether or not it will be in that vein or not.
It is worth remembering the context of these tape recordings. A Keystone Kop infiltrated a social cocktail function and lied to a number of MPs pretending to be a Young National. He advocated policy positions he did not believe in, trying to get the MPs to agree with him through sympathy so it would look like some sinister secret agenda.
MPs get pestered non stop at these social functions by party activists on various issues, and of course you tend to look for the merit of someone’s proposal rather than tell a party member and volunteer that their idea is fucking stupid.
My suggestion, for what it is worth, is that the media should demand the full tape recording from Mr Keystone Kop. Let people hear exactly the words he used to solicit a response, so any comments from the MP can be heard in context. Also to make sure that the full response from the MP is included, not just an extract that leaves out a vital part.
November 4th, 2008 at 8:30 am
If they have left it this late they’re fools – Obama is going to eclipse everything for the next three days and after that its too late.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 8:31 am
Danyl,
Dead right. The news cycles are going to move away from our election for a couple of days.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 8:33 am
Damage control, DPF?
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 8:34 am
Yeah why not, when you’re on fuck-up highway to oblivion why would you slow down now?
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 8:35 am
Exactly, Muzza. Just another nail in the coffin of a party that’s been dead for three years (if not longer).
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 8:40 am
The seeds of Labour’s own destruction were sown just after the 2005 election.
Time for Labour to reap what is sows.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 8:42 am
Well with the Melbourne Cup today, USA elections tomorrow, I would pick Thursday.
Vote:Good god they’re filthy scum.
November 4th, 2008 at 8:42 am
Somehow, I don’t think that presenting the tapes in the context that you suggest is of any interest whatsoever to Duncan Garner.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 8:43 am
Danyl comments that Labour are fools.
Murray opines Labour are fucked (I paraphrase).
I’d sum up by saying Labour are fucking retarded fools consigned to the history books as the little red book wavers that couldn’t raise New Zealand into the top half of the OECD.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 8:43 am
They were sown when Clark manipulated her way into the deputy slot OECD.
Why do you think the internal division labour is so clearly defined? The price of a three term Clark is a decade in the wilderness which beings on Sunday.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 8:47 am
If the alleged tape had anything real juicy on it they would have released it long ago.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 8:48 am
John Key is a known helicopter user.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 8:51 am
Hulun does NOT use NZ Airforce aircraft for electioneering purposes. M’kay kids?!
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 8:52 am
I’ve heard that the tape of Key is very, very damaging. It includes confessions that his favourite breakfast food is “babies on toast”, that he set fire to Michael Jackson’s hair, and that his favourite hobby is “pushing over elderly people”.
I can’t see National recovering from those revelations.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 8:54 am
Yeah but expat everytime she gets on an airforce plane she does so in the knowledge that its then refered to as “Broomstick One” till she gets off. I can live with that.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 8:56 am
I heard that on the tape he confesses he did shout at his wife once, back in 1982.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 9:05 am
Secret tape?…bring it on.
Dirty tricks like this just highlight the lefts nasty, desperate and vicious approach to politics, to them the ends always justify the means, the public do not like it nor are they particularly interested, the release of this tape will simply push more voters to the Nat’s.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 9:07 am
Smacks of D…E…S…P…E…R…A…T…I…O…N to me!
FFS anyone stupid enough to be influenced by this kind of shit already has been so give it up already!
Does anyone think they might ever get desperate enough to articulate a plan and vision for the countries future???
Yeah right!
Apparently my families’ entire future depends on me believing that John Key is a bad man.
So far the only evidence for that is spin lies and distortions from the most manipulative dishonest and corrupt administrations in our history, my god, Tui’s must do very well with Liabour voters.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 9:18 am
I have a preview of this secret tape:
Extract One:
BILL ENGLISH: “Forsooth, Mary, you’re a hot piece of trim. I’d love to drag you into that broom closet rip off your [inaudible], and [expletive omitted] like P-crazed possums. Go ask John and Bronagh if they’d be up for a foursome. No I haven’t had enough to drink.”
Extract Two:
JOHN KEY: “I guess I was mildly pro the Trojan War, but I was far too busy dating Penelope of Ithica to really pay much attention. And if I had to make a choice, I’d definitely go gay for Achillies.”
Extract Three:
Vote:MAURICE WILLIAMSON: “What do you mean it’s a fucking cash bar?”
November 4th, 2008 at 9:21 am
Tim Ellis – you’ve got Key confused with Clark.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 9:21 am
After the failure of the neutron bomb I think they will suffer another backlash if they try another smear. I wonder if the media are tiring of Labour’s efforts. Garner took a pretty hard line with HC on the Prime interview on Sunday – he may be less receptive and do a Herald on the taper.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 9:26 am
Craig – you justified my praise in that last post. Fucking brilliant.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 9:31 am
This close to the election the media will have to be more careful how it is released surely?
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 9:32 am
I hear those Canadian comedians do a great John Key impersonation.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 9:39 am
We can rest assured, however, that the secret taper has nothing to do wit the Labour Party. We know this because the leaker, a portly and swarthy middle-aged chap who goes by the nom-de-guerre of “Batman”, says he has nothing to do with the Labour Party. This is good enough for me.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Craig Ranapia @ November 4th, 2008 at 9:18 am
Fuck thats funny!
Post of the day.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Whatever is on the tape will only work against them. The trouble is they are to thick to understand this.
My concern is how we have developed so many New Zealanders that think the Green reds are an acceptable party.
Both Labour and the Greens are trying their very best to destroy a great Nations and to date have been very successful at it.
Our problem is the media gives no coverage to genuine sensible alternatives like The Family Party. http://www.familyparty.org.nz
Check them out, read their policies they are certainly advocating a direction that most NZ’s I talk to want to head in.
Just a pity they are not given a fair go at getting their message out! And we call this a democracy. Yeah Right!!
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 9:44 am
# Spam (378) Vote: Add rating9 Subtract rating 0 Says:
November 4th, 2008 at 8:42 am
(DPF) My suggestion, for what it is worth, is that the media should demand the full tape recording from Mr Keystone Kop. Let people hear exactly the words he used to solicit a response, so any comments from the MP can be heard in context. Also to make sure that the full response from the MP is included, not just an extract that leaves out a vital part.
“Somehow, I don’t think that presenting the tapes in the context that you suggest is of any interest whatsoever to Duncan Garner.”
DPF is right, that IS what the media should do if they had a shred of honesty and objectivity.
The Nats need a few lessons from Lord Ashcroft on how to teach the media a lesson. You don’t HAVE to put up with their biases and their slimy little partisan activities and their outright frame-ups (like what they did to Don Brash). Trouble is, DPF and Murray McCully and all the rest of you is, if you let them get away with it once, and twice, and thrice…….if you ley them get away with it with Don Brash, you are asking to have them get away with it with your NEXT leader too, and the one after, and the one after. Somewhere along the line, you are going to have to realise that you’ve got nothing to lose by taking these bastards on head on in court and getting substantial damages awarded and getting guilty journos sacked and even jailed. Just ask Lord Ashcroft, if he didn’t tell you when he was out here recently.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 9:46 am
Phil,
How would a political party go about not letting the media get away with it?
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Lindsay Addie said: “I heard that on the tape he confesses he did shout at his wife once, back in 1982″.
That is the rumour they are running with, but if you listen carefully, he is referring to the last time that he shouted her dinner before they got joint accounts. Labour misinterpreted it, hence Helen’s reference in the 1st leaders debate, and the coming shout-bomb…
…is bomb the new gate?…
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 9:57 am
Ryan, I see you picked up on that too.
Champions of the free press, eh?
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 10:00 am
The media always let Clark have a free ride. Remember when Don Brash got filmed wobbling a bit on a gang plank and they played it over and over, with the tone of commentary being that he was awkward he was and therefore couldl not be a PM. Helen falls flat on her face in a mall and there is practically nothing mentioned about it other than “the PM tripped over”.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 10:08 am
There is one forgotten victim in this new “secret recordings” phenomenon in NZ politics.
The possibility of a “secret tapping” being “secretly taped” and then released to the media will surely be the death knell for cottaging by a spouse of a major NZ political figure. How will he be able to trust his new-found chum with this possibility looming…will performance anxiety spoil the whole “romantic” interlude?
Then again, the men’s rest rooms at LAX, Hagley Park etc will become safe again for non-cottaging users…which goes to prove that every cloud has a silver lining.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 10:09 am
Even Colin James thinks it will be an election victory for John Key.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 10:09 am
Sam,
Vote:Almost right. Digital re-enhancement technology reveals that he shouted to her to “shut the gate”. He had to shout to be heard over the sound of a low flying hovering F***ing great helicopter that had a weird bloke leaning out the door with a megaphone exhorting the local peasantry to do something unspeakable with their boats (or was that their votes?). Anyway it had something to do with tickling their foxes (or it could have been ticking their boxes I’m not certain). It was quite a to-do I’m telling you.
November 4th, 2008 at 10:30 am
Free to slander? Oh right, you two are leftist barbarians: manners, style, professionalism, standards…the truth, you’re not interested in that.
the way you stop the press slandering is you take them to court to back up their claims or be sued. It’s very simple and it ensures a “free press”.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 11:48 am
One of the tapes is of Maurice Williamson.
Interviewer: Maurice, what do you think of the credit crunch?
Maurice: Its not too bad – its helped me get back on my feet. My car’s been re-possessed.
The other is of Lockwood Smith.
Vote:The interviewer popped his head into Lockwoods office un-announced. There was Lockwood in a most uncompromising seated position with his secretary on his lap.
Without hesitation he acted as if he had been dictating, and said, “……..and in conclusion John, I cannot keep operating this office with only one chair!”
November 4th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Possibly a silly question – but IS there another tape? Or is this speculation? The last ones were hardly groundshaking.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
# Ryan Sproull (881) Vote: Add rating 1 Subtract rating7 Says:
November 4th, 2008 at 9:46 am
“Phil,
How would a political party go about not letting the media get away with it?”
Ryan, I said that they need a few lessons from Lord Ashcroft. I suggest you read Lord Ashcroft’s book, “Dirty Politics, Dirty Times” to see what I mean.
It requires deep pockets like Lord Ashcroft has, and teams of high powered lawyers, and expensive lawsuits, taken against demostrably dirty reporting. The status quo involves a lot of kow-towing to the media in the hope that they might not treat you so dirty forever. That is a forlorn hope where “conservatives” are concerned.
The Ashcroft approach has resulted in a lot more careful handling of the Tories in England by the media there, and is probably the main factor in the Tories getting back in the political race of late, after years of some of the best leadership material England could have had (William Hague, Michael Howard, Iain Duncan Smith) getting hounded into oblivion over trifles and non-issues, while Labour got a free pass on much worse stuff. Does that sound like a familiar situation by any chance?
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
What has sealed the win is Klerkensteins very weird non verbal message.
Any devotee of NLP, will realise that there was zero empathy with anybody.
The shrill, forced, gruff , and false laugh just became an unseemly interuption.
More damning was the evil alien deatyh ray stare. And the quick tic to camera to see if she had been pinged.
Lastly, and more relevantly was the overall body language married to the facial grimaces.
Being the master of statistics and control, she knows that she is history!
The internal polling has been shit for her.
I wonder how she would like her toast delivered?
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
llew said “Possibly a silly question – but IS there another tape? Or is this speculation? The last ones were hardly groundshaking.”
llew- according to the Herald (the SmearBusters), Clark has been asked for comment while out and about today – she has had a “private interview” with 3News – the link to the Herald story is in the post below
http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/11/guess-contents.html
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Why doesn’t someone just get a tape together made up from old Helen Clark speeches, add some leading questions and them cut and paste her responses – stuff like
Qu: “So you think the Exclusive Brethren should be crucified?”
Helen: ‘I always said [click] that the purpose of the Electoral Finance Act is[click] to remove [click] cancerous and corrosive[click] Exclusive [click] haters and wreckers [click] Brethren [click] from the Pacific.”
Piece of cake.
Whaleoilbee[click] fhooked? [click]
PS unless it is Keys claiming he’s ‘Go Gay for Goff’ I can;t see how much interest the public is going to be able to muster. But in case, National should have the resources to go medieval on their asses if that is what it required in the last few days. In fact, they should anyway.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Thanks I2
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Newstalk ZB are saying it is being released tonight
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Unfortunately fellas, this is a biggee.
After the news at 6pm tonight we are going to have to dig ourselves out of a massive hole.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
“..# Lindsay Addie (757) Vote: Add rating 17 Subtract rating 1 Says:
November 4th, 2008 at 8:47 am
If the alleged tape had anything real juicy on it they would have released it long ago..”
no lindsay..you always save the best for last..
..and the timing couldn’t be better..
..(from a tactical point of view..)
ooh..!..it’s exciting..!..eh..?
..just like christmas..!
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
heard that before – but now’s your chance to score David a fantastic scoop!
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Clark is saying it’s a ‘cracker’.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
John Key was the brains behind the “Gunpowder plot” & not Guido Fawkes!
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
“Clark is saying it’s a ‘cracker’.”
Does she do other impressions, or just Frank Carson?
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Matey24,
What you say is meaningless unless you spill the beans……
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Gromit’s Wallace, surely?
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
English talks frankly to someone posing to be extremely right wing. He reassures them, again, that JK and BE will push a hard right wing agenda once they get in – some quote about a ‘trojan horse’.
He goes on to slag off Key and talks about a growing faction of National mps who back him over John.
This was emailed to me half and hour ago. Not a transcript but from somebody who has it.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
by slag off, i mean he uses the words ‘just a friendly face to the public’ and ‘not the long term future of the party’. He apparently goes onto claim that by ‘not long term’ he means ‘one term’.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
take it with a grain of salt, but im reasonably certain that its legit.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
How pissed was he at this stage of the evening?
Conversely, how many Labour MP’s do you think would actually like to take Herr Hellbeast out the back and put her out of her misery?
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
And will it affect votes? Ah well…. we’ll see.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
i’m running with it..
http://whoar.co.nz/2008/the-contents-of-the-final-secret-tape/
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Thanks Matey24,
A poster at The Hive reckons it’s Key making racist remarks at the National Party conference but he doesn’t produce any hard evidence to back up his assertions only some gossip taken from a poster at Whaleoil’s blog.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
One rumour (and it is only that) I heard is that it’s proof that English leaked the Hollow Men emails
How will we append “-gate” to this one?
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
One point on English, he isn’t really one of the really hardcore right wing guys in the Nats caucus.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Dont get too fevered up about it just yet…. i can only relay what ive been told.
I hope to god it is not true.
One thing is for sure though, it is of english, and that has been backed up across the net.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
“How will we append “-gate” to this one?”
Wankergate.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Heh, I was thinking Bill-English-can’t-keep-his-fucking-trap-shut-gate.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
It’s English according to Soper, recording taken at the same time as the other one.
English’s press release says he’s not too worried.
Soper sounds slightly sceptical about the whole thing….
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Think about it Matey
As if English would say such things about Key in a public hall in front of a range of unknown people when the guy is leading every poll. Be careful it’s not another Wile E Coyote Acme Roadrunner killing device.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
yeah – it seems unlikely….. but i cant rule it out considering how authentic it looks
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
this may get lost in the news cycle since most people will be watching the race out and may not see the news
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Unless English has dementia he would have to know what’s coming.
Good chance for the Nats to show they’re fit for government by demonstrating they can manage this type of stuff.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
As if English would say such things about Key in a public hall in front of a range of unknown people when the guy is leading every poll.
To be fair to English, it strikes me as being almost incredible that he would be saying these things with Key probably standing only metres away from him and a whole lot of people who would be likely to report such negativity back to Key.
If indeed this is a trap that has been sprung on Labour it would be the greatest ropey-dope since Ali’s.
Fingers crossed.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
How fucking pathetic……
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Was that it????? Talk about anticlimax. Probably cost Labour another 10000 votes.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Just heard the tape. What a have. English says that there has to be a balance between being moralistic on the one hand and over zealous like Bush on the other. Eminently sensisble. Sometimes someone may have to pull the trigger. English did not say, as Clark maintains, that National would pull any triggers. Clark knew all about it. Just another scaremongering bodybag comment with no substance and even less integrity.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
What a joke. If my memory serves me correctly – didn’t Helen Clark say Iraq would not have happenned if Al Gore was elected.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
philu (3:59pm) – if that got you exited “just like Christmas” then you are one very sad little chap.
It was classic “over-promise, under-deliver”…eh..?
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Yup, totally pathetic.
Clark crawled into the gutter again by lying about knowing anything about the source, and by trying to claim it proves that National would have taken us into Iraq and that National is “militaristic”.
TV3 was clearly a little uncomfortable about airing it all and tried to play it up as more important than it was, as well as throwing a patsy question to Duncan Garner so he justify doing so, which made him look like a pompous drop kick. Oh wait, he is a pompous drop kick.
The tape will have nil negative effect on National, and I suspect that most people who are not Labourite cultists and Greenies will just yawn or feel even more turned off by Labour’s sleaze trawling.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
I gotta be fair to Dunk, he looked a bit sheepish having to front such a feeble story.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
If anyone wants to send TV3 some FEEDBACK here is the url:
Vote:http://www.3news.co.nz/tabid/114/Default.aspx
November 4th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
# Exclamation Mark (23) Vote: Add rating 1 Subtract rating 1 Says:
November 4th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
“As if English would say such things about Key in a public hall in front of a range of unknown people when the guy is leading every poll.
To be fair to English, it strikes me as being almost incredible that he would be saying these things with Key probably standing only metres away from him and a whole lot of people who would be likely to report such negativity back to Key.
If indeed this is a trap that has been sprung on Labour it would be the greatest ropey-dope since Ali’s.
Fingers crossed.”
Now THAT is an idea, a reverse sting on Labour. (Someone posing as a member of the EB, for example). What a pity it’s too late to set one up.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Garner tried to play up that he mentions Obama along with the European Union as being too “moralistic” on defense and foreign affairs, and then claimed that this might damage our relations with the US!!!
NZ is a lovely place, but sometimes Kiwis take themselves way too seriously and have a massively over-inflated sense of their importance on the world stage.
Obama will never hear of this, and even if he did would not give it a nano second of concern.
Vote:November 4th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Heh, I was thinking Bill-English-can’t-keep-his-fucking-trap-shut-gate.
I would like to withdraw that flippant remark and apologise to all members of the VRWC for being so easily excited by a desperate attempt by labour to dig up something, anything, on National.
The fact that they see these very middle of the road statements by English as being something that would turn the tide against National shows how far out of touch they are with normal NZers.
I will sleep well tonight, role on Saturday!
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 1:15 am
Danyl Mclauchlan says on November 4th, 2008 at 8:30 am:
Especially if he loses. There’ll be rioting on the street. Much hilarity will ensue.
Vote: