Groser on Agenda

November 30th, 2008 at 4:21 pm by David Farrar

Just watching Trade Minister on Agenda, and it is nice to see someone who is so obviously an expert talk on their portfolio area. This isn’t always possible (or resirable) in every area, but likewise it is nice to have one of NZ’s top lawyers as Attroney-General, rather than a non-lawyer.

Later on from Saunders Unsworth talked about the new MPs, and opportunities for promotion. He was pretty complementary of the new MPs from both parties (as I have been also). But what I thought was most interesting was his words on the difference between Ministers in ’s Cabinet and ’s. Unsworth said it won’t be three strikes and you’re out for Ministers, but more like one strike and you are out. And unlike Clark there won’t be a recycling of Ministers six months later by putting them back in, but once you are out, you stay out.

While I don’t think it will be quite as black and white as that, I do think that life will be very different for Ministers under John Key. Up until her final term, Clark had very few realistic options for promotion, so Ministers were safe. Key has a number of very competent and ambitious MPs in the 2005 intake who will be keen to be Ministers within the next term, and a fair few of the 2008 intake will be aiming to become Ministers in the second term (if there is one) if not before.

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10 Responses to “Groser on Agenda”

  1. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    Didn’t Winston get twelve strikes and was still in?
    WTF is politics coming to when you have to actually perform to keep your job!

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  2. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    To be fair (snicker) Hulun was left on the ropes into the third term as the smart labour folk fucked off seeing the train crash that was certain to occur. She had no depth or quality of people left and had to rely on the faithful & incompetent.

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  3. Frank (320 comments) says:

    One strike and you are out. Brave new rules.

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  4. Madeleine (230 comments) says:

    I think David was right when he said it won’t be that black and white, things never are anyway. I think it will come down to the issue and the context and rightly so but I am sure that Unsworth was right in that Key will not be as lax as Helen was and I seriously doubt that any sackings will be the tokenism that Helen’s were – Dyson springs to mind.

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  5. pushmepullu (686 comments) says:

    Helen had no depth or quality of people from day one – Labour’s ‘leading lights’ were not fit to run a garage sale or sausage sizzle let alone a major government department.

    The difference between John Key and Helen Clark is not that John Key will turn out anybody who doesn’t perform or is corrupt – John Key will not turn out anybody, because everybody will perform and nobody will be corrupt. National Ministers are always efficient, make good decisions and don’t try to enrich themselves out of the public purse. Incompetence and graft are the hallmarks, indeed the essence, of the left.

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  6. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,752 comments) says:

    one strike and you are out.

    That will mean Shane Ardern will be Minister of Finance when National holds the next election in 2011? :D

    But who will be left to be Minister of Arts and Culture? Without a Minister New Zealand would have neither Art nor Culture.

    Disaster! ;-)

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  7. peterwn (3,271 comments) says:

    pushmepullu – National’s ministers are not without problems. Years ago there was the hapless minister who claimed to be mugged in Molesworth St (up from Parliament for non-Wellingtonians) – no arrests were made, the key suspects being Johnny Walker and Jim Beam. In retrospect I am somewhat critical of ir William Birch. He was a knowleagble and efficient Minister (paperwork from his departments would ‘boomerang’ through his office to the delight of those wanting to get the job done), but in the later 1990’s he ‘lost touch’ with what things were supposed all about – such as rejecting submissions concerning the prospective harshness of IRD’s proposed penalty system (Mike Cullen had to ease it back!).

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  8. baxter (893 comments) says:

    It was the first time I had seen or heard Groser. I was very impressed.

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  9. pushmepullu (686 comments) says:

    Peter, I think you’ll find that National’s ministers are intelligent and successful people who have a good idea of what it takes to create wealth in the real world. NO, they don’t have fancy degrees from our universities, but all that means is that they were unable to regurgitate Marxist propaganda sufficiently to impress some simpering leftist beardy weirdy academic. They are good honest men and women who do not despise the ordinary kiwi bloke because that’s who they are. New Zealanders know that John Key is one of them, far more in touch with them than hoity toity Helen with her precious degree and her big expensive house!

    As for the incidents you describe, Bill Birch was an excellent Minister who cracked down hard on corporate corruption, unlike softly softly Cullen. And as for the minister who was mugged – how is being the victim of leftist smears enough to discredit one?

    Key has got his work cut out for him, but dismissing non-performing Ministers is not going to be one of his jobs. National’s Ministers perform. That’s what the National Party is all about – getting the work done.

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  10. Pmoney (13 comments) says:

    Pushmepullu, I think you’ll find that you’re wrong – blatantly wrong. According to National’s website, the first 15 on its list hold the following degrees:

    John Key – BCom
    Bill English – BCom/BA(Hons)
    Gerry Brownlee – “several trade qualifications”
    Simon Power – BA/LLB
    Tony Ryall – Bachelor of Business Studies
    Nick Smith – BE, PhD
    Judith Collins – LLB, LLM
    Anne Tolley – none specified
    Chris Finlayson – BA/LLB, LLM
    David Carter – Bachelor of Agricultural Science
    Murray McCully – LLB
    Tim Groser – BA(Hons)
    Wayne Mapp – LLB(Hons), LLM, PhD
    Steven Joyce – none
    Georgina te Heuheu – LLB

    Looks like plenty of “fancy degrees”: by my count, 20 degrees for 15 people – real salt of the earth. I guess that means they were able happily “to regurgitate Marxist propaganda sufficiently to impress some simpering leftist beardy weirdy academic”.

    I suspect pushmepullu’s comments reveal more about his own struggles with the education system than any truth about National’s ministers.

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