Where are her parents?
January 30th, 2009 at 6:48 am by David FarrarThe NZ Herald reports:
A 14-year-old Whangarei girl, legally too young to have sex, buy alcohol, or drive a car, has shocked police who this week caught her behind the wheel, five times the drink-drive limit and four months pregnant.
This is staggeringly bad. It is not so much that her life is so fucked up, but the damage being done to her child to be.
This is almost grounds for CYFS to remove the baby at birth.
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January 30th, 2009 at 7:17 am
This is not a good situation, but there is never any good reason for the state to take a child from its parents at birth because:
(1) it entails a presumption of guilt, i.e. the state is presuming that the parents will harm the child in the future
(2) it is a gross violation of parental dominion
(3) time and time again the state has proven to be a poor parent
(4) such an action is pure totalitarianism, only one step removed from the Chinese government killing children it does not want immediately after birth
(5) a society that approves of such actions is doomed to be glued to the cold and poisonous mammaries of the nanny state
In an earlier post I quoted Bob Harvey on this subject:
Translation: the totalitarian statists such as Harvey want to take away your civil liberties and are using the “welfare of children” as a justification for doing so. Such evil must be resisted at all costs.
http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2008/11/29/should-children-be-taken-into-state-custody-at-birth/
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 7:37 am
How many detentions is that?
And in the UK, the Surgeon Generals office has just decreed that alcohol is not to be given to under 15 year olds.
WTF. This is a home ruling.
Like the parents will do anything to comply.
Either sink estate types or much posher offering their children wine at dinner in lovely resorts.
Meanwhile the Earth spins and the media are trying to convince us it is about to stop.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 7:44 am
This is yet another sad indictment for a kiwi society saturated with disgraceful and dysfunctional families. At the risk of offending the culturally sensitive PC creeps can I ask when the political foam merchants are going to address the hideous child abuse problem? No doubt her parents couldn’t give stuff about this child’s welfare, how could they, as they’re busy putting welfare money into the pokie machines down at the local pub. Cool eh bro. Forget the children, CYFS is that dysfunctional they are dangerous as dog eat dog, cat eat mouse and cheese just stinks. Hey kiwi, why you got appalling child abuse statistics? Don’t you care bro. Proud to be kiwi? Fuck off mate. No wonder the mass exodus is on.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 7:46 am
On the same theme: earlier this week Stuff reported that a 4ft 2in 10 year old had stolen his mother’s car and gone for a 100 km drive. This kid has done some shoplifting and the mother expects the police to sort him out: if, as in the case of the 14 year old, parents cannot or will not control their children they should not expect the taxpayers to foot the bill for cleaning up the mess that they have made.
However, such an attitude is understandable in a welfare state.
http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2009/01/25/mother-expects-police-to-control-her-10-year-old-son/
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 7:54 am
d4J: I care, and I also believe that state should not be a parent.
Taking children into state custody at birth is at least as bad as having the state deprive innocent fathers of access to their children.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 7:56 am
It can be summarised in one sentence: Scum breeding scum.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 8:00 am
Very simple problem to solve. At present, every wimbler within kooee will be making goldfish faces and muttering “oh how terrible” and rushing with all haste to “improve the chances” of child, mother, or family – most likely all of them – with welfare funds and time better spent with their own families.
Just don’t.
People will soon get the message.
We need to stop helping people who do not want help. The more help you dish out, the more they treat the assistance with contempt. Our society is built around helping people who display anti social or criminal tendencies and oppressing those who make and effort. Time to change.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 8:02 am
kiwipolemicist – I agree that CYFS is a last option. Irresponsible parents breed so their welfare payment gets bigger. The damage to children brought up by the nanny state is evident by the ever expanding prison population.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 8:13 am
Poor kid.
http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.com/2009/01/distraught-and-dangerous.html
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 8:14 am
Who fancies a small wager?
I am willing to offer odds of 2-1 that this kid is Maori, I know it is not politically correct and I simply don’t care.
To those of you who are offended by my stereotyping of this low life kid I ask you to put your money where your mouth is.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 8:17 am
“Where are her parents?”
“This is almost grounds for CYFS to remove the baby at birth.”
ummm
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 8:18 am
Another example of how 40 odd years of turgid social engineering has weakened key structures such as the traditional family. This matter is just another example of the dysfunction that will continue, and get worse. Point the finger at the ruling classes – the intelligentsia.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 8:19 am
For those that think CYFS is helping children think again, as state ward children are 10 times more likely to be sexually abused while in the care of the delirious creeps that staff that insidious department.
I can supply many tragic cases to endorse my point.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Well one thing is for sure – the child (to be born) will almost certainly spend time in prison.
What this girl needs – as with the idiot from taranaki – is a bloody good hiding. Now the bleeding hearts of course think such stuff is just terrible, but its going to come to a head one day in that society is going to get pissed off with this sort of stuff coming up all the time and will say that if Im expected to pay for this, then there has to be some new rules.
Vote:I have a son who teaches at a decile 4 school – and they have some real behaviour problems (primary school) and most of the (solo) parents of these troublesome kids have the attitude “well its all the schools problem because its all the schools fault”
A friends daughter recently adopted a baby – well you would be surprised at cyfs attitude to the whole thing. The birth mother knew she couldnt give the baby a decent life. She was on drugs and had been in trouble all her teen and adult life. If she raised the child it would be just a mess. Cyfs tried to talk her out of the adoption – they didnt care or even think that the future of the baby was at all important – they only wanted to impose the PC rule.
God knows that most of these kids would be better of in an adopted family than with their parents.
January 30th, 2009 at 8:24 am
Agreed DPF – as I blogged yesterday, our ECE service works with several Foetal Alcohol Syndrome children, affected to various degrees, and it is heartbreaking. As I commented, the intervention of more than Youth Aid is required in this case
http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2009/01/more-evidence.html
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 8:33 am
CYFS are overtly anti-adoption. Their philosophy is the child is always best with its biological mother. But plenty of research has shown that adopted children actually fare better than children raised in single parent homes (but worse than children raised by two biological parents). CYFS operates on feminist theory. In the early 1970s there were around 4,000 adoptions annually. Today, around 300.
Big Bruv, very poor odds you are offering there. No thanks. This is Northland and adolescent and teenage birthrates for Maori are much, much higher than for non-Maori. If the child is not Maori she will be the exception to the rule.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 8:44 am
“CYFS operates on feminist theory” = much too the detriment of children .
Children need balance not a hateful sisterhood ideology shoved down their throats. Destroy CYFS and start again. Please, for the sake of all kiwi kids.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Lindsay, I agree with you. The terrible cost to the taxpayers is unimaginable because of the breeding of kids to get money and those kids join the gangs and then hard working responsible people get hurt financially and emotionally. Unfortunately those in the system make big bucks and will continue to keep this DPB system going. Judges, Queen’s Council, politicians, etc. We all know those responsible are the parents but that is a small cog in the wheel of huge financial gain. This whole thing would take time to remedy and desperately needs to be fixed and it would be easy because of the transparency available due to such a small size of the population. Also, the other side of the coin is this self destruction of families is and will slow the progress of New Zealand much faster than a larger populated area like the states.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 9:10 am
Lindsay
I am aware that the kid lives in Northland however that has no relevance on my offer, the sad fact is that in cases such as this the low life is invariably Maori.
The problem is that very few are prepared to admit it, very few have the guts to say that the emperor is naked.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Big Bruv
Vote:Its all due to colonialism. Why blame the kid for being drunk, pregnant and driving when Captain Cook is really to blame…
January 30th, 2009 at 9:17 am
I think you’ll find it’s Adam and Eve’s fault.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 9:28 am
YES! its all the white man’s fault. If we hadn’t introduced alcohol an cars, Maori would still be happily living in the stone age.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Some Questions to Ask:
1/Who’s car was it. Was it stolen and will the thief be brought before the courts or was the child allowed to used it.
2/ Has the actions of father of the unborn child been investigated and if so will he be brought before the courts.
3/Will the child provide details of the father of her unborn child to CSA so that he can start making some financial contribution.
4/ Who supplied the alcohol and will hey be brought before the courts. ( Remember the case in Gore. Mum supplied alcohol to minor son and friends, they have fatal car accident, mum goes to court.)
Lets get some people to take responsibility for their own actions. Lets not have the state ways there to take over responsibility
but lets have the state there to help people accept that they are responsible.
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Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 9:41 am
BigBruv at 8.14 a.m.
Vote:The odds are now 7 to 2 on, on that bet.
Like betFair, you must meet the market.
January 30th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Tauhei
Fair enough, I forgot to say that I will pass on all winnings to the local SPCA.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Good post by stuarts-burgers. But in relation to the unborn child (because that’s who we should really be worried about) can I ask if leaving him/her with the ‘family’ is putting that baby at risk (and on the raw evidence that would appear to be the case) and CYFS raises more questions than answers then ………….
WHAT IS THE SOLUTION
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Ross asks – “WHAT IS THE SOLUTION’. I can see a couple of solutions.
The Fence: Elevate the status of the traditional family unit (Mum, Dad, Kids). Acknowledge that not all families look like this and that it’s fine to be aspirational about best practice without interpreting that a judgment on those families that are not structured this way. The challenge is that is approach will take a generation to have any significant impact.
.. or ..
The Ambulance: Continue to tolerate (promote?) family breakdown and have the state intervene to clean up the mess on a case-by-case basis. We’ve been doing this since the 70’s and I’ll leave it to readers own minds to decide if the Ambulance has been working for us.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Nah getstaffed – that’s WAY too simple
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 10:24 am
LOL The police are going to put cops into 4 Hamilton schools thats what the social engineering of Msssssss Clark et al over the past 30 years has achieved.
Back onto this matter. fact is there are plenty of good mem and women in stable marriages that would love to have children and raise them in a good home. there are also this 14 year old piece of trash .
A smart government would match the offspring of the trash up with the good parents for fiscal and social benefits to society
It aint rocket science
I and many who post on this site could do the task no problems. You check the backgrounds of the prospective parents and interview them Because we have the one ingredient governments and their agencies lack that is common sense the result would be a 100% success
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 10:42 am
# Ross Miller (888) asks:
January 30th, 2009 at 9:55 am
WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?
Corks.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 10:51 am
gd, I agree with you. Careful though about the “14 year old piece of trash”. She didn’t ask to be born to obviously negligent parents. She is part of a tragic cycle of pan-generational neglect, blame pointing and social engineering that’s costing people their lives and empowering the state to assume more control.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 11:26 am
The middle classes seem to be having kids later and later or not at all, the working class and the non working class beneath them seem to be having them earlier and earlier. Just an observation…
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 11:31 am
You guys are all missing the point. Without dysfunctional families, drunkeness, under-age sex, 10 children out of wedlock, driving drunk and without a licence, racism, generational welfare, failed or failing education, and all the rest of it, where (apart from [as Angus says above, the "intelligentsia"] would the votes for Labour come from, and how would Labour’s support base ever grow???? Phil Goof needs these poor exploited people to patronise and to indoctrinate and to bribe with handouts and to hook on welfare. How else would the left ever win government?.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 11:35 am
“WHAT IS THE SOLUTION”
A real opposition with the guts and intelligence to articulate an alternative to left wing social engineering and socialist hogwash would be a good start.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Redbaiter,
What kind of alternatives would you suggest? What kind of policies would change people’s behaviour to stop them being as irresponsible as this girl’s parents?
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Several commenters have said that CYFS are overtly anti-adoption. If adoption was an easier option it might reduce the number of abortions (18,000+ per annum) and provide joy to childess couples. Growing up in a healthy home with both biological parents is the best thing for a child, but adoption by a traditional family unit isn’t far behind.
Lindsay quotes research showing that adopted children do better than those raised by single parents: apart from the work load issue, children need male and female role models. Each provides something unique to a child.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
“What kind of alternatives would you suggest? What kind of policies would change people’s behaviour to stop them being as irresponsible as this girl’s parents?”
Why don’t you think of a solution Ryan? It seems that platitudinous one liners and dumbfuck questions are all you are ever good for. Here’s a hint. Try leaving government out of the equation. How people behave is up to them, not some bunch of power seeking brain damaged half educated vote buying social engineering academic fuckwits. Reducing the size of government, making it comparitively minuscule and focused on core policies, would solve every problem NZ has today.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
“Where are her parents?”
Busy making more babies?
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
We only reap what we sow.
Vote:This 14 year old is another abused child, about to bear another (to be) abused child.
No good blaming her parents, she probably doesn’t know who her dad is, and her mum’s stoned/in jail.
It’s societies fault, so it’s nobodies fault.
It’s the elephant in the room, the perpetuation and growth of the underclass in NZ.
Remember the howls of outrage over the desirability of “a decent society” ?
The addiction to social welfare handouts is like the parallel addiction to alcohol.
The addict has to want to change before change is possible. And judging by the worsening problem, the desire for change is simply not there. Once were warriors indeed…
The managers of NZ right now have to decide what exactly has gone wrong and what needs to be done. Almost every poster to this column knows that perpetual handouts are largely to blame, Pita Sharples and others on the management team know it too.
The ball is in the manager’s court…
January 30th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
I didn’t claim to have a solution. You’re the one suggesting the answer is a “real opposition”, so I asked you to explain your solution more clearly.
So, a miniscule government focused on core policies would solve this problem? AND how people behave is up to them?
What you’re saying is that dirty old academics reading books without pictures caused the problematic behaviour with their social engineering – AND how people behave is up to them? And you’re saying that a different (much smaller) government would create conditions (very different from social engineering) where the problem wouldn’t occur – AND how people behave is up to them?
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Ryan- you pay for personal irresponsibility, that is what you get. Socialism shields people from the results of intemperate behaviour. So naturally, there’s more of it.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
“I didn’t claim to have a solution. You’re the one suggesting the answer is a “real opposition”, so I asked you to explain your solution more clearly”
Neither did Red, he said it would be a good start not a solution, but lets be honest here you are just looking to build a giant man of straw.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
…somebody mentioned the possibility that the 14 year old girl may be Maori.
Vote:If so, then it suggests that “the solution” to this girl’s problem, and the problems of thousands of other Maori, will need to come from Maori themselves.
January 30th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
I have a solution.
Cindy Kiro will soon have time on her hands when her contract is up. She could take in this 14 teen year old and teach her some mothering skills. When the baby is six months Kiro could decide what the best option for the baby is.
It would be interesting what Cindy thinks of this solution.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Redbaiter (4964) Vote: 2 0 Says:
January 30th, 2009 at 11:35 am
“WHAT IS THE SOLUTION”
A real opposition with the guts and intelligence to articulate an alternative to left wing social engineering and socialist hogwash would be a good start.
So, even though your preferred party is now in government, you think its up to labour to solve the ills of the nation? Just why ARE National on the treasury benches?
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
MnIS JACK…note that the only party on the treasury benches that can fix the problem are the Maori Party. National’s JK has the will, but without their help nothing will be achieved.
Vote:Tariana frequently mentions her concern for “our people”. Seems to me they need some serious help.
January 30th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Lindsay suggests:
Not in my experience (which, admittedly, is limited to one case). A distant member of my family had two children. Both were always well fed, clean, well dressed and delivered to school on time, then she would go to work to support the three of them.
However she made the mistake of taking up with a loser who, when asked to mind the children when she had to work late, left them alone in the back yard with no shade and no water and went off to the pub. The neighbours called the police, who called CYFS.
Now clearly some intervention was needed here. I’d have started by charging the loser with child neglect. But no, CYFS completely ignored him and, on the basis of this one incident, took both children away from their mother and into CYFS foster homes.
Upon hearing of this other family members rallied round and offered whatever support CYFS felt necessary to ensure the mother always had someone responsible to keep and eye on the children while she worked, and whatever else they needed.
However the social worker assigned to the case seemed to have a problem with the fact that the mother wanted a man – any man – in her life (whereas the family just had a problem with the fact she always seemed to pick losers. And yes, that certainly describes the kids’ dad) and reacted with hostility to any “interference” from the family.
It’s taken seven years to unravel that mess and reunite the family. Seven years of hours of meetings, writing letters, attending hearings and making submissions. And that’s without going anywhere near the Family Court.
Certainly the mother in this case could have had better taste in men. But she was working hard to do the best for her children and simply needed a bit of support. Instead her kids have been raised by strangers from the time they were toddlers till the time they’re starting intermediate school.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
“So, even though your preferred party is now in government, you think its up to labour to solve the ills of the nation?”
If the Labour Party turned their back on their strategy of bribing the gullible and stupid with other people’s money the face of this country would change overnight.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Redbaiter, note Kiwiblog’s post of the day…
Vote:The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
— Thomas Jefferson
January 30th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Redbaiter,
Cool, that’s what I was asking. Essentially, nanny-statism (which I distinguish from socialism) removes the disincentive consequences that would otherwise be impelling people to act otherwise? Like… if you dose someone up on painkillers, they’ll put their hand in the fire more often, sort of thing?
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Redbaiter (4965) Vote: 1 0 Says:
January 30th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
“So, even though your preferred party is now in government, you think its up to labour to solve the ills of the nation?”
If the Labour Party turned their back on their strategy of bribing the gullible and stupid with other people’s money the face of this country would change overnight.
So, no matter what national do, no matter that national sit on the Treasury benches and get the flash cars, no matter that National won the last election, Labour are still in charge?
I knew you were fucked up, I just never knew, until now, how badly fucked up you are. Stop drinking the Kool Aid.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
There are families in NZ that do not have the basic skills required to function adequately in our society. Despite various government benefits and help from charities they are largely left to there own devices to survive. A drive in the country in a cheap unregistered and unwarranted car after a few drinks and unprotected sex would be one of the cheaper forms of entertainment for people in such circumstances. Families that do not have the basic skills expected by society should be directed to live under continuous and constant supervision by a well paid supervisior/mentor until such time has they acquire the necessary skill level to cope with what resources they have. They need to be shown and taught a better way. I would rather 90K pa of my taxes spent in this manner than on incarcerating one family member for one year. I accept that this solution will not sit well with a lot of people, however I am sure some families would opt into such a scheme. I have always been surpised at the high number of kids that I have known from tough backgrounds that have actively sought out discipline in their lives by joining the armed forces. If we raise the skill level and expectations of those at the bottom of the heap we raise the overall skill level and expectations of everyone.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
It is far too easy to argue that the solution is in the hands of the Government … sure Government can be part of the solution but only in a last resort situation. But until we accept as a nation the concept of individual responsibility and people understand that citizenship carries responsibilities and that bad decision making produces negative consequences, then nothing much will change. But that is a generational change.
Sorry kiwipolemicist but there are times when the intervention of the State is justified to save the child. But I am not convinced that CFS is the vehicle for that. IMHO it has become a harbour for mad social scientists and a vehicle for them to carry out their equally mad theories. Ditch it. Put in place an organisation that has as its remit the real welfare of the child and an acceptance that there are now, and probably will always be, dysfunctional families that should NEVER be entrusted to bring up children … we have good people out there who would give their back teeth to be part of the solution … its called adoption and anyone want to argue with me (one gets you ten) that this little about to be born baby should NOT be first in line?
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Lindsay Mitchell is right when she says that you cannot change this overnight but you can wean people off welfare. how about this for a start. If anyone receiving the DPB has additional children while receiving the benefit they receive no more cash. The kid will get all the state support that any kid gets (health care and education) but the beneificiary gets nothing. I predict that in a few short years there would be few children being born to welfare mums.
I think that National’s idea of forcing recipients of the DPB to get work or training once their youngest child turns six will just see thousands of more kids being born to mothers who have five years olds now. It is no solution.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Yep, another great example of what the anti-christian left’s “Long march through the institutions” has done for society, and is continuing to do unless there is some kind of miraculous awakening among the stupified majority of Kiwis.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
According to the anti-Christian Left, they have done a wonderful job eliminating “bigotry” and “judgementalism” and “oppression” in our society.
Faaaak, our one-time Christian society has not been oppressive enough. Marcuse and Foucault and Derrida and anyone else preaching socially destructive ideology back in the ’50′s and ’60′s, should have been turfed into jail for sedition. Think of all the wasted lives that would have been saved.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
…yes but the socialists are slow learners, and continue to push for conditions that will push more people towards state dependency (ie, slavery), and demand more taxes from the rest of us for doing so.
Vote:Memo to Brian above, the child born with no welfare attached is likely to have a much more miserable time than he/she might have had otherwise.
For a start, how about being really reactionary and simply raising the drinking age back up and prosecuting men for unlawful carnal knowledge of a girl under 16 ?
January 30th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
PhilBest,
What do you think of Christians on the left?
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Redbaiter and others have asked for a solution Well I gave you the solution at 10.24am. It aint rocket science It just requires common sense a sadly neglected trait in the pollies civil servants and lefties in our society.
Match the unwanted unloved children with people who will want them and love them and take cars of them
Good bloody grief is that so radical no one is capable of understanding it.
And as for Dr ( ?????) Cindy ( who ate all the pies) Kiro keep her and her fellow idiots way out of it.
No only is she not the solution She is the problem
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
A good example of why financial incentives should be offered to encourage people to not have children.
I wrote to ALAC sometime ago asking why they didn’t do any ads warning about the dangers of drinking during pregnancy. Hopefully her child isn’t too cognitively impaired (although it will probably inherit her stupidity anyway).
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
gd nails it, not only is the Childrens Commissioner an appalling disgrace and let down for kiwi kids, both the families commission and CYFS are bureaucratic quagmires that fail children every hour of the day.
Save the kids and get rid of the brain damaged bureaucratic fools.
Is it any wonder we are are gold medalists at child abuse
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
“Is it any wonder we are are gold medalists at child abuse”
Again, I don’t see why you consider encouraging some people not to have children to be a bad thing.
Coercing or ordering people is inconsistent with the values of a liberal democracy. But offering a financial incentive to someone who is already dependent on state assistance not to increase their burden seems sensible.
Also, as Steven Pinker noted recently in the NY Times, behavioural traits, including intelligence are largely hereditary. As the economy becomes increasingly complex having a low IQ population will becoming more of a problem in terms of state dependency & child poverty.
IQ predicts academic performance, occupational performance (on more complex jobs – this is why the US Army uses psychometric tests to screen people), health outcomes, and even criminality. So to avoid a number of social problems it makes sense to prevent stem the current dysgenic trends (in all Western countries the more educated a person becomes the fewer children they tend to have).
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Ryan, the assault by the Left on our traditional Christian society, involves turning so many values on their heads, that every time a “Christian” viewpoint on some issue is required, the Dominion Post for one, runs off to a trendy new-age, nature worshipper, Marxist, Lesbian “minister” who doesn’t believe in the Divinity or the Resurrection of Christ……
they might graciously add by way of footnote, that “fundamentalist” Christians say something else…….
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
“The Long March Through The Institutions” includes the Churches as well as the media and the education system. Some Churches are wide open for the takeover, others are not.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
This is almost grounds for CYFS to remove the baby at birth.
And what makes you think CYFS would do any better? Time to get back to some basics if we want to get real.
Vote:As others have said returning to the Christian principles that were part of our Nation would certainly be a good start.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
GRUMPYOLDHORI do you think this thick slut i( can we guess the sluts race)s a MAORI YER i thought so,SIGH 14, years old pissed as a fart A DOLE BLUDGER a maori, whats new , i dont care ,WHOOPES shes up the duff and is planning her financial furture(MORE BONKS AND KIDS) its maori
Vote:GRUMPYOLDHORI
January 30th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Just goes to show that not everybody lives the way you or I might think they should, and you can’t make them.
I have my doubts that PhilBest’s god could make them live better, either, no matter how fervently he or I or anyone else preached Nanny Big Guy’s rules of “thou shalt live THIS way”…
(Interesting! I wonder how uber-christian Libertarians reconcile their ideology of ultimate individual freedom and property rights, against OH but if God says you don’t do this, this, this, this, or this, then YOU JUST DON’T, okay?)
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
PS: Joe Average – you remind me why KB is in my opinion one of the best “entertainment” channels on teh internetz. Awesome!
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
Hey Ratbiter, love your comment???? about me its (MUTUAL) fucker
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
I don’t think you can have a christian libertarian can you? only moderate christians.
Anyway I have concluded this is all about expectations.
I expect my children to do their home work, study hard and go to university. Their grandparents expect the same. My parents expect me to work and look after my wife and children.
now if I expect the government to support me and my parents expect me to take drugs and drink and if the shools expect me to fail and the social systems expect to pick up the pieces then that is what happens.
We need to reverse engineer so that instead of accepting bad behavior and trying to work around this bad behavour we expect good behavior and if people act outside this there is no reward.
Vote:January 30th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
And I didn’t expect to push submit before a spell check
Vote:January 31st, 2009 at 6:31 am
A future Labour party MP in the making.
Vote:January 31st, 2009 at 7:51 am
Joe Avg is sooo much of a bad cariacature that you’d almost think he was a plant from some of the looosers over yonder at the substandard, like ratbiter.
Vote:January 31st, 2009 at 8:38 am
Joe Avg is sooo much of a bad cariacature that you’d almost think he was a plant from some of the looosers over yonder at the substandard, like ratbiter.
Here’s a hint expat….. the space before the punctuation marks.
Vote:January 31st, 2009 at 8:52 am
so ratbiter, joe and cha are all refugees from the substandard. weird.
Vote:January 31st, 2009 at 1:05 pm
To see where NZ is headed if this is allowed to continue, please see the movie ‘Idiocracy’ , starring Luke Wilson.
“Joe Bauers, an Army librarian, is judged to be absolutely average in every regard, has no relatives, has no future, so he’s chosen to be one of the two test subjects in a top-secret hibernation program. He and hooker Rita were to awaken in one year, but things go wrong and they wake up instead in 2505. By this time, stupid people have outbred intelligent people; the world is (barely) run by morons–and Joe and Rita are the smartest people in America.”
Sure it’s B-Grade trash, but it has a sad message behind it.
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