Hone vs the student
The Waikato Times reports:
A Waikato University student has made a formal complaint against Maori Party MP Hone Harawira, alleging he was sworn at and belittled in a lecture on campus last week.
Political science student Steve Baron has asked the university not to invite Mr Harawira back after what he called appalling behaviour.
He said Mr Harawira used obscene language like the “f” word and statements like “my big black ass”. “He’s just a rude … thug,” Mr Baron said.
Heh I am smiling at the thought of what other words Hone used in conjunction with his big black ass
But Mr Harawira told the Times he would not apologise.
“I shut him down because he’s just a racist. When I did, Maori students … started to clap.
“He just lumped Maori in with other minorities like homosexuals and Asians. I pointed out to him that we are not a minority, but tangata whenua. He tried it on and he got his comeuppance.”
I think we can conclude Hone is never going to be Minister of Foreign Affairs!
April 27th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
This is the price we pay when affirmative action is used to put “brown bums” on seats in parliament.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
When it is boiled down to the basics, it is really a brown quota in the house.
Can someone please enlighten me as to why “minority” and “tangata whenua” must be treated as mutually exclusive?
April 27th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
It’s amazing he calls other people racist. The words Tangata Whenua are just a bargaining tool, it doesn’t change the fact Maori are a minority. The student must have been just telling it how it is, I’m sure he hated that.
It seems apologising doesn’t run his family…
April 27th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
I find it heart warming to see one prejudice confirmed by a deeper prejudice.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
“I shut him down because he’s just a racist.”
Translated as…..he asked me a question that I did not like, it was a question that I could not answer and one that I did not agree with so I used the old “you’re a racist” attack, that always shuts them up.
I cannot see why our media are scared of John Harawira, if ANY other MP acted the way this thug does then our media would be all over them.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Another case of fuck you white boy from the well known racist Hone.
(He doesn’t like Jews either)
April 27th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Our Steve is an interesting guy
http://www.betterdemocracy.co.nz/articleAG.php
Seems he is a full time politician who having heard a few harsh words is crying like a baby and calling for people to be banned!
(Sounds like he would fit in here like a glove)
April 27th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Kudos to Mr. Steve Baron for showing the courage to confront the politically correct mafia that rule at NZ universities. We need thousands like him.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
The racist cop out, how silly bro and did you know that it was a word inspired by the Communist second in command, one Leon Trostky who used the word for the first time in his book The Russian Revolution. sonic will know that. Go away comrades!
April 27th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
“Seems he is a full time politician who having heard a few harsh words is crying like a baby and calling for people to be banned!”
The usual lies and smears from the Stalinist left.
“we have to destroy this man, or they’ll find out socialism has no clothes..!”
April 27th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Shrinking violet Steve also has a blog
http://betterdemocracynz.blogspot.com/
Funny that David should describe him merely as a “Political science student”
[DPF: The Waikato Times used that description, not me]
April 27th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Saying he has a blog is a “smear” ratbiter?
Ah well whatever, I’ll await an adult to speak to.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Well, as a National supporter I can say that Harawira IS a thug but he is OUR thug and I’m glad he’s not Labour’s thug.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
This person is not the only student to be sworn at by Harawira. In an email to me from Parliament, Harawira called me an ” arsehole” and as I recall telling me to “piss off” purely because he didn’t like something I emailed him.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Wow – style points to everyone who jumped in calling the Maori a racist, even though DPF reported the story in a way that makes it practically impossible to accurately judge who was more in the wrong or who “deserved” what!
IMHO politicians who are passionate enough to get really stuck into hecklers are sign of politics the way it (used/ought) to be!
April 27th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
“purely because he didn’t like something I emailed him.”
What did you email him Dave?
April 27th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
PS: Sonic… Ahem – that name Ratbiter, it no longer means exactly what you take it to mean
April 27th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Hey Sonic, the issue is not Steve Baron you POS, its Hone Harawira and his attempts to silence rational debate.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Our Steve is an interesting guy
http://www.betterdemocracy.co.nz/articleAG.php
Seems he is a full time politician who having heard a few harsh words is crying like a baby and calling for people to be banned!
(Sounds like he would fit in here like a glove)
Now forgive me, but if someone was to be a ‘full time politician’ then I would take it that they have to be in paid employment as such. Now tell me my socialist friend, what political party does Mr Baron represent in our Parliament?
Maybe he wants to be a politician – but then I dont Im entitled to call myself a pilot just because I want to be one.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
“PS: Sonic… Ahem – that name Ratbiter, it no longer means exactly what you take it to mean”
You dipshit commies are so confused you want to be careful you don’t disappear up each other’s arsehole.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Hey Sonic, the issue is not Steve Baron you slime, its Hone Harawira and his attempts to silence rational debate.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Hey Sonic, the issue is not Steve Baron you commie arsehole, its Hone Harawira and his attempts to silence rational debate.
GET IT YET???
April 27th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Translated as…..he asked me a question that I did not like, it was a question that I could not answer and one that I did not agree with so I used the old “you’re a racist” attack, that always shuts them up.
To be called a racist by someone who comes across as blatantly racist as Hone Harawira does – I’d consider it a badge of honour!
April 27th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Rational debate?
You know I always think of those words when you post, first thing that pops into my head.
As for Mr Baron, well He is a long standing political candidate (got not a bad vote in papakura in 2005) and he runs a blog and a web site. I’m assuming our host either A) did not know that and rushed to get some raw meat for his readers or B) Did know that but thought the story would have more bite if Mr Baron was referred to as just a student.
Which was it Mr F?
[DPF: Nothing to do with raw meat. I saw a story about Hone and blogged it. The name of the student did not ring a bell with me. And really if you think I am trying to "spin" a story about a Maori Party MP and a student, you really have no idea at all]
April 27th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
“As for Mr Baron,”
Its not about Mr. Baron you soviet propagandist and hate merchant, its about Hone Harawhira and his attempts to shut down rational debate.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Hey Sonic, the issue is not Steve Baron you slime, its Hone Harawira and his attempts to silence rational debate.
You should know Redbaiter – denigrate the messenger and the message gets lost.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
I just asked Mr Baron what he said and he replies:
“Here is the question I was trying to ask, as requested.
“Given the injustices past governments have imposed on minorities like Maori, Chinese, homosexual (he became very agressive and cut me off here), would you and or the Maori party support the introduction of binding referendums as a check and balance on governments.”
I attempted to rephrase the question so as not to refer to any of the three as a minority but got shouted down again. His opinion is that Maori are not a minority, but tangata whenua.
Here is a story in the Waikato times about it link textEvidently I am the racist and got my comeuppance although I fail to see that anything I said was racist or even aggressive. If Maori students clapped it was not because he put me down or because of what I said, it was because they supported the fact that they were tangata whenua. I even had Maori students comment to me afterwards that they didn’t like the way he treated me and didn’t think that was fair.”
April 27th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
“You should know Redbaiter – denigrate the messenger and the message gets lost.”
Are you always this self contradictory, or have you just been saving it for this thread? Moron.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
As for Mr Baron, well He is a long standing political candidate
Wait wait wait, is he a Politician, or a one time political candidate?
April 27th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
“His opinion is that Maori are not a minority, but tangata whenua.”
A typically fascist concept.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
“You should know Redbaiter – denigrate the messenger and the message gets lost.”
Are you always this self contradictory, or have you just been saving it for this thread? Moron.
WTF???? Im supporting your arguement you stupid moron?
Damn, backing you up is like giving lend lease to the Soviets.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
“Wait wait wait, is he a Politician, or a one time political candidate?”
That’s right bimbo. Let yourself be sidetracked by one of the silliest little drongoes on Kiwiblog.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
“Damn, backing you up is like giving lend lease to the Soviets.”
Well, maybe you should just stick to the soviets then. You’re doing pretty well so far.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Thanks for that Mark, could you also ask Mr Barron if this was the first time he had communicated with Hone Harawira or have they spoken in the past?
April 27th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
What about just asking Hone Harawira what he thinks he is doing at a university if he will not allow freedom of expression??
April 27th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
What about just asking Hone Harawira what he thinks he is doing at a university if he will not allow freedom of expression??
Thats right moron, let yourself be sidetracked… Oh wait, you know the script.
Moron.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
“Nothing to do with raw meat. I saw a story about Hone and blogged it. The name of the student did not ring a bell with me.”
Surely rule one of any form of reporting is that you check out who is making an allegation before publishing it?
But it is only a blog after all.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
“Surely rule one of any form of reporting is that you check out who is making an allegation before publishing it?”
Only if you’re a leftist, and therefore more interested in attacking the victim rather than prosecuting the oppressor.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
What the fuck does tangata whenua mean anyway? I bloody hate it when minorities say shit in their own languages and expect everyone else to know what they’re saying.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
It means “Go back to China, Commie.”
April 27th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Can’t Redbaiter, believe it or not I am a threat to your internal security and armed forces. I have no other objective than to take away your freedom. Everything I do or say is designed to further that objective. You are in extreme danger of losing everything your forefathers fought for. Now that you have exposed me I’m going to have to fuck you up the ass because I’m a minority.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Sonic, his post is here so feel free to ask away: https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=33150821&postID=5362561400250407459
April 27th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
“Now that you have exposed me I’m going to have to fuck you up the ass.”
Well, you won’t find me as easy as your sister.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
It is precisely this sort of shit that makes living in Aussie so much better than living in NZ.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Is it a full moon tonight?
April 27th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
“Is it a full moon tonight?”
Ask Annette King.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Has Annette King got a fever?
April 27th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Perhaps Ratbiter has the sWine flu?
April 27th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
Ratbiter, answer the hedgehog.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
“Now that you have exposed me I’m going to have to fuck you up the ass because I’m a minority.”
Don’t worry about the swine fever chronic sonic, as Rebel Heart has full blown Aids.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
# Redbaiter (5954) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
“Now that you have exposed me I’m going to have to fuck you up the ass.”
Well, you won’t find me as easy as your sister.
Yeah, I know you’re into urine drinking, incorporated fisting, ingesting feces and semen swallowing but I’m up for it if you are. What’s your contact number Guido?
April 27th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
“Yeah, I know you’re into urine drinking, incorporated fisting, ingesting feces and semen swallowing but I’m up for it if you are. ”
No I’m not actually, but ask Sonic. He’ll do anything for his comrades.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
And people say the Kiwiblog comments section has gone downhill. Go figure?
April 27th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
“people say the Kiwiblog comments section has gone downhill”
really – Which people?
April 27th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
But sonic , Rebel Heart is one of yours!
April 27th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
“Which people?”
Readers?
April 27th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
“And people say the Kiwiblog comments section has gone downhill. Go figure?”
Only since you and Rebel Heart (groan) and a crowd of other brain damaged commies showed up.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
“Readers?” are you answering a question with a question?
April 27th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
For fricks sake. This Steve guy said some things that Hone didn’t like so then Hone said some things that Steve didn’t like. Fine. It happens everyday to everyone. Except most of us don’t go crying to our mothers or a newspaper.
If you’re reading this Steve then harden the fuck up. I don’t care if your politics are the same as mine you’re behaving like a little bitch.
And if Hone is reading this, I may not like what you say all the time, but I appreciate that you say what you actually think without feeling the need to sugar coat your words. More people should be that way.
In fact more people should just sort things out the old way – a fist fight till you both got tired enough to share a beer down the pub afterwards.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
“Yeah, I know you’re into urine drinking, incorporated fisting, ingesting feces and semen swallowing but I’m up for it if you are. ”
Okay – I am gay and have been around the block a few times – but even *I* find that a revolting comment and certainly didn’t expect to see it on Kiwiblog!
April 27th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Nothing changes. I attended a conference in AK many years ago that was hijacked by the Harawira clan. I was the only one with balls enough to walk out but I tell you; from front row to back of the room was a long way down the aisle and I half expected a spear between the wings on the way out. The rest of the audience shuffled their buttocks around in tedium and obligation. Wimps, the lot of them. Hone would be pleased.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
spector said: “And if Hone is reading this, I may not like what you say all the time, but I appreciate that you say what you actually think without feeling the need to sugar coat your words. More people should be that way.”
I suspect they would if they could do so without being branded a racist for trying to do so.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
I was in this particular lecture where we had Harawira to speak. I am a first year political science student with no strong political viewpoint as of yet. I would just like to say THANK GOD Mr Baron made this complaint. I believe Mr Baron accurately portrayed the feelings of the majority in that lecture theatre. Personally, I was left very upset following this lecture (where I had entered with interest and a totally open mind), Harawiras manner was appauling and had I not been in the middle of my row- I would have walked out when he first “shut down” Mr Baron… He continued to shut down other members of my class without answering their questions… Following the lecture I spoke to many of my classmates who said they wish they had also walked out- I guess we should have… we were “wimps” at the mercy of a “bully”.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
“Okay – I am gay and have been around the block a few times – but even *I* find that a revolting comment and certainly didn’t expect to see it on Kiwiblog!”
Damn right. Revolting. But that’s RH for you. Always trying so hard.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Murray posted at 4.48: “Another case of fuck you white boy from the well known racist Hone. (He doesn’t like Jews either)”
Most Jews look white to me. Some, such as those from Ethiopia don’t, and the ones from North Africa are half-way in between.
An acquaintance who once lived in China told me that some (especially northern) Chinese consider themselves white and consider Europeans pink. In NZ we now have blue-eyed, white-skinned people who consider themselves Maori.
Skin colour is pigment to allow sufficient vitamin D from the sun while still providing sufficient protection from potentially harmful radiation. This explains white Russians and Scandinavians in the cold regions (except for the Eskimos who got their vitamin D from seals etc), and black folk at the Equator.
It suggests that if Hone’s ancestors had had rugby shorts for a few millennia he might have told the interjector to kiss his white arse.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Crybaby
Looks a bit dodgy too – the racing industry, plus the WPLMPONFA connection.
It doesn’t matter that Hone is a complete arse. That’s a given. But to run off bleating to mummy like some little kid … good grief. And should we consider the possibility that this attention seeking little prat with the bad suit went there with that express purpose in mind …?
People please! You’re all meant to be hard-arsed baby eating descendants of the Bishop of Bath & Wells and then you carry on like this!!! Sheesh!! What WILL the pinkos think of you. Have you no shame!!!??? You sound just like them.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
So once again Mr Harawira has reinforced the sadly sterotypical image of Maori, namely that if anyone dares to raise a point that they are either unable or unwilling to answer Maori resort to their default setting and the aggro sets in.
They then smirk about it and boast, since it evidently proves that (to use an appalling coloquialism) ‘ they are the man’.
It would seem that facing up to and admitting the truth and reality is not one of Mr Harawira’s strong points, although I guess if he ever actually did so, it would destroy a lot of his personally-held myths. Lies and fairy-tales are so much better.
His actions, triumphantly trumpetted to make himself look SOOO good (and non-raciast) show us that such a leopard is incapable of changing his spots, and also, evidently, that his ‘leader’, in the absence of comments to the contrary, endorses and supports his actions – situation normal.
But, at least we now know the attitude of the man, (as if we needed to be reminded), but the pity is that because Mr Harawira is basically a bully, (and an avoider of facts and truth), he will continue to act in this matter until either Sharples and co become sick of him (unlikely), the country and media at large learns to ignore him (highly unlikely), or his own electorate turn against him (even more unlikely).
The status quo will, sadly, therefore remain.
Meanwhile his own people-group continue to suffer the fallout from his misguided rantings and to slip even further back down the heap.
The MP for Northern Maori apparently believes this to be a small price to pay, because, very evidently, his motto is ‘It’s all about ME’.
I think that used to be called grandstanding . . .
April 27th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Jack5
Don’t mention the Eskimos. Not PC. Tsk tsk.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Simple question,,,,,,what does tangata whenua actually mean?
My understanding is that it translates to people of the land. This is then translated to indigenous people. This is then translated to only those people who can possibly trace ancestory to the first arrivals 800 years ago but not those who can trace ancestory back only 150 years ago, 50 years ago or 5 years ago. I have two daughters who have lived here all their lives. They are not tangata whenua. I have a New Zealand passport. I am not tangata whenua.
If tangata whenua means descended from first batch of immigrants. Do we practice aparttime in NZ? Is there a sliding scale of rights based on length of residence or is it all or nothing. I am a New Zealand citizen. I want the same rules and rights and responsibilities as my fellow citizens. Apparently that makes me a racist, how ridiculous!
April 27th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Personally I love it when an MP speaks their mind and we don’t see it often enough.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
yeah reid – great role model to the already overly aggressive maori. Just what we need setting an example
another maori with a chip on both shoulders
April 28th, 2009 at 1:14 am
When is a journalist going to grow enough balls to suggest that “anyone who disagrees with me” is not the definition of racist?
April 28th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Your scots fuckwit filter isn’t working David.
April 28th, 2009 at 9:00 am
hannah-kiwi – thanks for contributing. It’s good to have some first-hand coment from the actual event.
April 28th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Luv him or leave him Hone H has Te Tai Tokerau sewn up for the Maori Party. He articulates a view that resonates with ‘his’ constituents and, in the final analysis, those are the people he answers to, not us.
Hone wears his heart on his sleeve and you get what you see. There’s no ‘hidden agenda’ with him. It’s all up front.
So to that extent I don’t see him as a threat as much as I do my ‘friends’ on the left of politics who have elevated secret agendas to an art form and then try and rewrite history to claim it never happened or, if it did, it was the fault of the right.
April 28th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Also, forgot to ad- For those of you saying that Mr baron is not a student.. I was totally unaware that he had a blog/website and this ‘politician’ status.. however he is in all my classes- lectures, tutorials etc. In fact.. I am off now to my tutorial class where Steve is a member and I am sure there will be interesting discussion about last weeks encounter with Harawia. Also- Mr Baron is not the only person who wanted to make a complaint- however now I see that because of his history, the reason he had the confidence to do so- I expect had any of my classmates made the same complaint- the media would have taken up on it exactly as they did with Mr Barons if they were made aware of it- Though i am guessing Steve made his opinions known to the Waikatotimes and they followed up on the complaint made etc.
Off to my tutorial now!!
April 28th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Fisiani asks:
I’m not sure what it means, but it seems to be flexibly used to claim land ownership in perpetuity.
I have descendants on both sides of my family dating back to first immigrants to NZ in the 1840′s. Only two of my 30 2nd-to-5th generation forebears were born outside NZ.
I therefore claim tangata whenua minus land ownership entitlement expectation. I do, however, anticipate being pillared by those with fractional Maori blood for this claim.
April 28th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
As the person who was on the receiving end of Mr Harawira’s abuse, I felt some of you might like to hear my side of the story. Thank you for your comments as well Hannah.
Here was my question…
“Given the injustices past governments have imposed on minorities like Maori, Chinese, homosexual (he became very aggressive and cut me off here), would you and or the Maori party support the introduction of binding referendums as a check and balance on governments.”
I attempted to rephrase the question so as not to refer to any of the three as a minority but got shouted down again.
I was simply trying to ask a reasonable question, only to receive a barrage of abuse from a very aggressive Member of Parliament that should be acting in a far more reasonable manner.
As for the “toughen up” comment someone has made, I have argued and debated with far more intelligent people than Hone Harawira, and was not upset personally, only disappointed. There is a time and a place for everything. This certainly was not the time and place for his behaviour in response to a simple question from a student.
I have the greatest respect for Maori leaders such as Tariana Turia and Pita Sharples who are dignified and intelligent people. Mr Harawira is nothing more than a racist thug, and if Maori look up to this man they need to set their sights a little higher. I am pleased to say, in all my dealing with many MPs, Mr Harawira is the exception and not the rule.
Evidently I am the racist and got my comeuppance although I fail to see that anything I said was racist or even aggressive. I was simply stating a numerical fact. If Maori students clapped it was not because he put me down or because of what I said, it was because they supported the fact that they were tangata whenua.
In 2005 I stood for Parliament as an Independent in Pakuranga coming in 3rd with around 2,000 votes. I am not a member of any political party but have had involvement in several in the past. I’m fortunate enough to have retired 4 years ago at the age of 45 and currently studying economics & political science because it interests me. I have no political ambitions, I merely stood in Pakuranga to highlight my cause for binding referendums. However, like most people I would like to be Prime Minister so I could fix everything, my way! That’s a joke before you jump to conclusions
April 28th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
oops. sorry Steve. just got a bit carried away after falling all around the floor laughing at mickysavage’s post on another thread. it took hours for me to recover.
May 1st, 2009 at 8:15 pm
WOW quite a lengthy debate going on here.
I am a student in the policy class that Hone Harawira visited and i am of Maori decent however, I was disgusted by the way that Harawira approached the lecture as we were told that he was coming in to inform us on the origins of the Maori Party etc..it was a lecture that i was looking forward to.
From the beginning to the end of the lecture Harawira used language that NO ONE should use when their talking in a university lecure. I thought that the strength of a politician was to be able to answer questions wether they like what their hearing or not but in answering they answer in an educated and informing way. All we got in the lecture was a whole bunch of disgusting language – I felt ashamed to be Maori and that someone i have respected as a strong Maori standing politician let not only himself but US down in that way.
If he is to speak publicly again i suggest that he:
A) doesn’t at all if he can’t keep his language tidy
OR
B) approach things a little better
It is like he had forgotten that we were all a class of first year policy students.. curious about politics.
The other thing was that i do not enjoy being called a “minority” was Steve trying to minimise Maori people by putting us in a class with asians and homosexuals??
That comment disgruntled a lot of people. Now we are the tangata whenua of this country in other words WE WERE HERE FIRST – so if their is ANYONE that is the ‘minority’ in this country in that context it is the pakeha.
That is just the way it is. We won’t go down like that. The comment that Steve made was a most disgusting and appaling comment to make considering that our class is bi-cultural. I did thank Hone for shutting him down but i don’t applaud the way in which he spoke to him.
I still enjoy our policy class – can we just move on??
this has become a frikn circus!!!
May 3rd, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Taiawhiao, the word “minority” pertains to how numerous the members of the particular group are – not whether that group is “minor” in any way. If you don’t understand that then frankly I am incredulous that you got into University at all.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Mark, You clearly don’t understand the issue so i am “incredulous as to how you got into University!!!”
Maori will NOT be treated as an “ethnic minority” because minority WE ARE NOT. We refuse to be lumped in with those who came after us.
For people who share your view – Maori are the first nations people. so you can take your text book definition elsewhere. Thanx.
May 5th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Taiawhiao, yes you are a minority. There are less of you than Pakeha. You came here first and well done for that – I’m having a trophy made up for you. But you are not more special or superior to anyone who came after you. You have a special place in this country’s history – no doubt. But that’s it.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Mark, the only person infering that Maori are somewhat “special” or “superior” then that of other ethnic groups in New Zealand is you and others who choose to think like you.
Thanx for the special mention though.
NOT a minority – correct term is Tangata Whenua.