I found the results for the 611 Kiwi’s who had done the poll when I visited, just left of centre and slightly libertarian, which is very healthy IMO. Somehow I came 6.5 towards the left and about 1.1 towards libertarian. I wonder how far one has to go to register as a communist as my wife frequently accused me of being … that was before I joined the ACT party
Thanks DPF for pointing us to BK’s blog. I got the link to this from there. I am, not surprisingly, slightly left (1, not as left as I thought I would be), but CLEARLY libertarian (about 6), largely from my social and cultural liberalism, I suspect.
Toad – Congratulations, without too much difficulty you appear to have just answered a list of questions no less loaded than; “Should a smack as part of good parental correction be a criminal offence in New Zealand?”.
Wake up people. This is a load of subjective nonsense dreamed up by so called Libertarians who are really just navel gazing victims of Progressivism.
To judge that one only has to look at the number of lefties who have taken the test and now posture as some kind of fan of liberty.
When every one of them assumes that democracy is a concept that provides them with the means to use government to hound and harass others to make them think the way do. To steal other people’s money and property by means of a majority vote.
They may call themselves Libertarians if they want but when it comes to true liberty, they’re up there with Karl and Joe and Mao.
1) The questions are just so ridiculously contrived as to be meaningless.
2) They are based on faulty premises
3) Whose to decide if a certain answer means one thing or the other in respect of liberty?
The test is rubbish. To me, it reads like worthless crap written by some pseudo liberal lacking half a clue. Insulting.
Libertarians are just a bunch of narcissistic Progressives with a cult following more interested in debating the meaning of “is” than driving the bastards back.
The bastards are not being driven back. They’re as big a threat as ever. With Obama’s election in the US even more than they have ever been.
The Libertarians, with their idiotic no difference between left and right mantra, don’t even know what direction to fire in to drive them back.
Patrick Starr said: Congratulations, without too much difficulty you appear to have just answered a list of questions no less loaded than; “Should a smack as part of good parental correction be a criminal offence in New Zealand?”
Yeah, how do you answer this one: Immigration restrictions are economically protectionist. Non-citizens should be allowed to sell their labor domestically at a rate the market will pay. if you agree with the first sentence but disagree with the second.
Same with this one: An official language should be set, and immigrants should have to learn it. Agree with the first part but disagree with the second. So had to say neutral.
As I said above Reid, The questions are based on so many false premises they’re unanswerable, and anyway, I don’t need to subject myself to interrogation by some nappy wearing Libertarian wanker who wouldn’t know liberty if it was eating his arse off. Liberty comes from strength, not mentally whacking off.
You are a right social libertarian.
Right: 7.4, Libertarian: 5.92
But I see Red’s point. People who call themselves libertarians are often too theoretical and try to apply their philosophy as if the rest of the world also already thinks that way… when in fact many are actively promoting the opposite.
To the left and above DPF for me. But I dont think that is quite true.
The libertarian left is probably the most deluded position. They want people to be free, but they also want the government to “look after” people. As if the government can do anything for someone without reducing the freedom of others.
And we all know which of their “principles” gets compromised first.
I hate it when these quizes ask questions about abortion. If there is one topic that is going to muddy the waters it is that one. I think the designers of the quiz are so wedded to their position on that topic that they cant see that no matter how left or right, libertarian or authoritarian some is, they can hold the opposite of the “logical” position for their stereotype. The left is all about “caring” for the weak (according to them) but will almost always be in favour of murdering the most vulnerable.
I answered the questions with right-wing economic perspective, but, did not consider most of the economic questions to have incredible important. However, the life and moral issues, where a government has the duty to protect life and ensure moral stability put me in the authoritarian sphere. Nevermind that anyone who wants a government to legislate in favour of abortion or gay-marriage is applying their own brand of authoritarianism.
So, in a sense, I agree with Redbaiter that the test is meaningless. But I would add “almost”. It does tend to group people, which in itself is interesting.
Right: 2.9, Authoritarian: -3.3
“A center-right moderate social libertarian.”
I agree many of the questions seem “loaded”, or include a second premise that would be best asked as a separate question. I presume that they are attempting to gauge if you will stick to a particular ideaology in extreme cases or will compromise as a means to clasify you as either moderate or strong; as the only other reasons for asking such leading questions are stupidity or a deliberate attempt to warp the results.
To me the authoritarian axis has always been a bit of a problem, as it combines the number of non-economic regulations with the punishment for breaking them. Essentially everything not economic gets dumped there. That leads to Act, who favour few laws, regulations etc being put on the authoritarian side due to their favouring strong punishments; conversely the Greens get on the libertarian end in spite of wanting considerable regulation and social law making, as they tend to favour (minor and inconsequential) slapping with a dihydrogen monoxide saturated bus ticket as a part of good social correction.
“Toad – Congratulations, without too much difficulty you appear to have just answered a list of questions no less loaded than; “Should a smack as part of good parental correction be a criminal offence in New Zealand?”.”
I am suffering from political and social bi-polar syndrome.
You can’t possibly know my pain.
ps, I just turned 500 on the post count, I would like to thank my mother for having me, and the greens/labour for pissing me off so much that I had to start ranting on the internet.
Notice how Toad and the rest of the commies attempt to frame the debate in such a way that those of us on the right should feel compelled to defend our political leanings.
Of course this is the norm for these control freaks, if you cannot defeat their argument or political ideals then spend as much time, money (tax payer money) and energy as you can brainwashing the public into thinking that what they believe in is evil.
It is simply unthinkable for the left to allow anybody to hold an opinion that differs from their own, this is the driving force behind the cancer that is political correctness and the raw ideology behind hate speech legislation.
Redbaiter has nothing to apologise for, indeed, RB is one of the most honest contributors to this blog, it matters not if you agree with his views as he does not seek to hide them, you can agree or disagree, this is how a democratic society should work.
On the other hand you have people like Toad and Sonic who constantly lie, fudge the truth and hide the real meanings of their policy or idea’s behind some bullshit PC reasoning, the climate change con or the more recent calls for “social justice”.
Hey, Shunda, go easy on Greens pissing you off. On lots of issues I’m with you – you seem like a good guy I could enjoy a beer or two with. Afraid that on the issues of hitting kids and 1080 I’m not with you, and that’s where most of the debate happens between us.
You don’t piss me off at all (unlike some who just comment with abuse with no argument) – you engage in useful debate.
While I totally support the rights of people who agree with me to have free speech, that does not apply to the PC loving commies who should be hung from the nearest lamppost for expressing their filthy views.
Shunda barunda said: 1080 as in the poison? Where have we debated that before?
I was actually thinking of here Shunda. But looking back on it, both of us were actually minor players on the thread, although I, at least, followed it closely. Guess I didn’t post much becasue others had said what I wanted to say first.
Pragmatism, djp, just as heaps of people who prefer the Greens’ policies vote Labour. Actually, heaps of Labour activists support Green policy more than Labour’s.
But just like there are lots of people who are politically closer to Act who vote National, there are lots who are politically close to the Greens who vote Labour.
I think this is a pity – it would be a healthier democracy if we had four parties all in the 15%-30% range. Guess it is partly that traditional and tribal thing that delivers votes to National and Labour from people who, on a policy analysis, actually prefer the policies of other parties. Oh, and also “tactical” voting from people who don’t understand MMP.
“Interestingly, scrubone, who has been charting those bloggers who send their results in, is the most authoritarian of anyone yet on his own chart.”
Not something I haven’t noticed!! It’s quite embarrassing actually.
Guess that’s a measure of how non-seriously I’m taking it – it’s a bit of fun people, lighten up.
As for the question of loaded questions – my observation was that they came from both sides, that’s the nature of political questionnaires. I thought this one wasn’t too bad, as many seem to only load them one way.
Rex, speaking of circle jerking and steve pierson, lyn ‘respect my perl scripting’ et al – whatever did happen to the Labour flunkies who got new ‘jobs’ at the parliamentary library? Where they fired? where the liarbore wine theives fired?
You are a center-right moderate social libertarian.
Right: 2.23, Libertarian: 1.92
I think I am going to move to some place like Germany.
Redbaiter has a point that many of these questions could be used for a NZ referendum.
15. We must use our military from time to time to protect our supply of oil, to avoid a national crisis.
23. Immigration restrictions are economically protectionist. Non-citizens should be allowed to sell their labor domestically at a rate the market will pay.
26. Racial issues will never be resolved. It is human nature to prefer one’s own race.
39. International trade agreements should require environmental protections and workers’ rights.
These questions get center-right moderate social libertarians like Redbaiter and me quite mixed up.
26. Racial issues will never be resolved. It is human nature to prefer one’s own race.
This sort of thing can get anyone mixed up. Nothing will ever be resolved. We can work to improve things, but that is all.
I have a theory on “preferring one’s own race”. I don’t now the proportions but I think there are three broad categories
– those who “prefer their own race” or feel threatened by other races
– those who don’t care either way
– those who are interested, fascinated in other races
“center-right moderate social libertarians like Redbaiter ”
You MUST be taking the piss.
For starters: Redbaiter thinks National are socialists. He often hates on libertarians, particularly those within the ACT party. Clearly he is not center anything or moderate anything.
Obviously he sat the test and discovered he’s so top right that no party is fit for him.