Clark: NZ deeply racist

May 30th, 2010 at 4:01 pm by David Farrar

The SST reports Sir Ian McKellen’s interview where he reveals told him that NZ was deeply .

For example, I met Helen Clark while I was in Wellington. I was invited to her official residence, and waved in by a lone policeman who didn’t even check who I was, then I had a barbecue with her. I congratulated her on the public’s enlightened attitudes towards racial issues, but she disagreed. She said to me that was really a very racist country , and she was determined to do everything she could as prime minister to change that.

First I could comment with bemusement how Helen thought attacking critics of her law removing the right of Iwi to go to court by labelling them”haters and wreckers” changed things for the better.

But I am sure that McKennen is correct and Helen did and does think NZ is a deeply racist country. We saw this when she spoke out on the Police shooting of Steve Wallace as being to do with racist attitudes. The fact the officer who had to fire the gun was also Maori was an inconvenient fact.

So in one sense, Clark’s view of New Zealand as deeply racist is no surprise. It would be interesting to ask her successor as Labour Leader whether or not he agrees with his former boss that New Zealand is a very racist country, and what does he plan to do to change it.

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76 Responses to “Clark: NZ deeply racist”

  1. Captain Neurotic (206 comments) says:

    When you a nation divided on race politics and a hunger to lament wrong’s of past – no wonder kiwi’s are unable to see past prejudice, it’s all they fucking know and hear about!

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  2. gazzmaniac (2,266 comments) says:

    Yes New Zealand is racist, and it has racist governance. The government explicitly states in law that one race will get preferential treatment over the rest, and every government agency must consult with them. That priviledge is based on the length of time a fraction of their ancestry first emigrated to NZ. Many members of that race do not want that discrimination, and some of the ones that do simply squander it. Most of the rest move to Australia

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  3. krazykiwi (9,188 comments) says:

    It’s hardly surprising that Clark thinks NZ is a racist place. She has long regarded NZ as some kind of mini-Marxist laboratory where stoking the fires of racial discord is regarded as a textbook way to increase the state’s control over the populace.

    And if she was “determined to do everything she could as prime minister to change [NZs racism]“ then she would have moved to abolish apartheid-like electoral representation as recommended by the Royal Commission.

    No, Clark likes and promotes racism. It is one of her primary weapons.

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  4. Galeandra (30 comments) says:

    Dear Mr Farrar, Maybe the mote in your eye stops you seeing straight? F&S issues were badly handled by the Clark government largely because of the happily fomented rabidity from your lot. I don’t admire Clark’s wimpiness anymore than I excuse her comments about haters etc but I do agree with her viewpoint as of now.
    A pity to see the great work of Finlayson with Tuhoe unravelled by the the raw cycnicism of the Teflon one; his work was a fitting succession to Doug Graham’s remarkable achievements, but I suppose the focus groups exposed the great thick slab of prejudice that lines the underbelly of the right.
    In the meantime, get a life, please stay off NatRad, keep on spinning and see you again someday in the gutter.

    [DPF: Assuming you are a taxpayer, I'd like to thank you for your contribution towards paying for me to be on National Radio. Not only do you pay the broadcast costs, but you also pay me directly.

    I realise you must dislike views you do not approve of being heard on national radio, but again thank you for improving my standard of living]

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  5. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,667 comments) says:

    It’s a deeply interesting comment which likely reflects her own bilious attitudes.

    Reality is New Zealanders are no more or less racist that Australians. Aussies are more honest and up front about it.

    There is no real colour bar in New Zealand but there most certainly is a behavior bar. When a large proportion of Maori behave in a way which is unacceptable it is inevitable that the rest of them are held in the same odious regard as the misbehavers. The same goes for Samoan, Tongans, Somalis and Chinese. In Australia it happens to be Abos, Lebanese, Cambodians and Vietnamese. Fifty years ago it was Italians and Greeks but they have grown up, sorted their own out and are now generally respected.

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  6. Nomestradamus (2,753 comments) says:

    Gee Galeandra… after insulting the host like that, I take it you’re not playing on staying at Kiwiblog long then?

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  7. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Klark should know about race. she went to almost every marae in the country before the 1999 election and promised Maoris taxpayer money if they elected her, and from this blatant bribery came “Closing The Gaps”, a fraud that even Labour had to abandon in the end.

    After ten years of political exploitation of the concept of “racism” Klark managed to divide NZ as it has never been divided. Her legacy is a race hooked on victimhood and its associate outcomes- drug use, marriage breakdown, single motherhood, violence and welfarism, and not likely to recover for three or four generations.

    The kind of destruction that always results when you vote academic Marxists into government.

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  8. krazykiwi (9,188 comments) says:

    The founding-fathers of the left were ardent racists. Clark should know… she’s modeled her political style on them.

    Marx’s racism

    Karl Marx is the hero of some labor union leaders and civil-rights organizations, including those who organized the recent protest against proposed immigration legislation. It’s easy to be a Marxist if you haven’t read his writings. Most people agree that Marx’s predictions about capitalism turned out to be dead wrong. What most people don’t know is that Marx was an out and out racist and anti-Semite.

    He didn’t think much of Mexicans. Concerning the annexation of California after the Mexican-American War, Marx wrote: “Without violence, nothing is ever accomplished in history.” Then he asks, “Is it a misfortune that magnificent California was seized from the lazy Mexicans who did not know what to do with it?”

    In a July 1862 letter to Friedrich Engels (Marx’s co-author of the “Manifesto of the Communist Party) , in reference to his socialist political competitor, Ferdinand Lassalle, Marx wrote, “… it is now completely clear to me that he, as is proved by his cranial formation and his hair, descends from the Negroes from Egypt, assuming that his mother or grandmother had not interbred with a nigger. Now this union of Judaism and Germanism with a basic Negro substance must produce a peculiar product. The obtrusiveness of the fellow is also nigger-like.

    Engels shared much of Marx’s racial philosophy. In 1887, Paul Lafargue, who was Marx’s son-in-law, was a candidate for a council seat in a Paris district that contained a zoo. Engels claimed that Paul had “one-eighth or one-twelfth nigger blood.” In an April 1887 letter to Paul’s wife, Engels wrote, “Being in his quality as a nigger, a degree nearer to the rest of the animal kingdom than the rest of us, he is undoubtedly the most appropriate representative of that district.”

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  9. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    “F&S issues were badly handled by the Clark government largely because of the happily fomented rabidity from your lot”

    Helen Clark announced she would legislate to overturn the Court of Appeal’s decision the day after its judgement, and about 8 months IIRC before the “Orewa” speech.

    Try again.

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  10. Manolo (12,617 comments) says:

    Pitiful, bitter comments from a despicable woman who has inflicted terrible damage to NZ.

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  11. toad (3,654 comments) says:

    She is right, but in pushing the Foreshore and Seabed Act through, she pandered to the racism she now criticises. The principled thing would have been to make a stand for the rule of law and the right to test ownership in the court, attack the racists who were stirring up trouble (I seem to recall one Nick Smith was at the forefront of that), and try to move the country on from the legacy of colonialism and assimilationist policies.

    Instead, she gave succour to the racists, and the credibility of despicable arseholes like Lhaws, which should be nil, was inadvertently enhanced by Clark.

    That will be her legacy.

    Unfortunately, with Key unilaterally abrogating the Tuhoe settlement, which had been negotiated in good faith by his own Minister Finlayson, he has demonstrated he is no better than Clark. An his “cannibal” reference is in the same league as her “haters and wreckers”.

    I am fearful for race relations in this country, because no Prime Minister seems to be prepared to take a principled stand on Treaty issues and provide the leadership to bring Pakeha New Zealanders with them. The failure to do so is likely to give rise to greater radicalism and agitation by those who have been dispossessed of their property rights.

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  12. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    The Maori Party, the most racist and divisive bunch of political gangsters in NZ, only came into being due to Klark’s cynical power driven exploitation of race issues during her time in parliament.

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  13. gravedodger (1,426 comments) says:

    Galeandra have you had any success with that sort of steaming body waste on the substandard,red blert or any of the other pinko supersensitive sites whose reaction to that sort of rubbish is instant deletion.
    I can only assume DPF allows that type of ranting crap to publish here so we can have a chance to assess the socialist bile such as you vomit as it is meat and drink to your mindless associates whose philosophy is Labour and associates = good, National & Act = bad and the MP guilty by association.
    I am sure your towering intellect is essentially only valued in the vacant space of your cranium and the previous 22 were equally notable contributions to this Blog

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  14. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Toad, you’re the one who is being divisive, with your talk of Maori and or “Pakehas NZers”. We’re all NZers, or we would be if power obsessed political ghouls like you stopped working so hard to divide us.

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  15. Eddie C (295 comments) says:

    Ha, as someone who has lived in the UK and NZ a couple of times each over the last couple of decades I can say that NZ is at the opposite end of the spectrum to the UK in terms of racism. NZ is inherently a fairly benign and kindly country with a history of doing the right thing whereas the UK has long and violent history of empire and conquest & has exercised racism in parallel to this conquistador mindset (as you’d expect in a militaristic society).

    Not sayin’ NZ is perfect but it’s a fuck of lot better than most 0f the rest of the world.

    Clark is a deluded apologist.

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  16. Inventory2 (9,788 comments) says:

    As much as I oppose the National government’s move to impose an ETS on us, it’s helpful to have a reminder of what many of us campaigned to remove in 2008.

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  17. MikeG (359 comments) says:

    “Reality is New Zealanders are no more or less racist that Australians.” – That’s hardly a benchmark standard that I would want to compare NZ with.

    btw DPF, do YOU think that NZ is a racist country? I think that Clark was just being honest

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  18. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    The Labour Party is the most racist organisation in NZ.

    Did anyone see Jacinda Ardern on Breakfast the other morning, having a chuckle that the “Maori Party wouldn’t be good at maths” or something similar

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  19. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    Helen Clark, eh? Just another scrunt who never pulled herself out of wackademia to do meaningful work for the private sector. Even now she’s swanning around and pissing about with other people’s money at the Useless Nincompoops.

    Thanks for reminding me why that bitch made me a Tory.

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  20. Eddie (295 comments) says:

    Ha, as someone who has lived in the UK and NZ a couple of times each over the last couple of decades I can say that NZ is at the opposite end of the spectrum to the UK in terms of racism. NZ is inherently a fairly benign and kindly country with a history of doing the right thing whereas the UK has long and violent history of empire and conquest & has exercised racism in parallel to this conquistador mindset (as you’d expect in a militaristic society).

    Not sayin’ NZ is perfect but it’s a fuck of lot better than most 0f the rest of the world.

    Clark is a deluded apologist

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  21. Eddie (295 comments) says:

    Nickb said “Did anyone see Jacinda Ardern on Breakfast the other morning, having a chuckle that the “Maori Party wouldn’t be good at maths” or something similar”

    Dirty Labour middle class racists don’t like them “uppity darkies” going renegade and not voting Labour.

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  22. Johnboy (13,341 comments) says:

    What a load of crap. All races are racist its in our nature. Chinese and Japanese think us Whiteys are barbarians.

    When will NZ grow up and stop overreacting to shit like this spouted by a pair of has beens namely Clarky and old ducky and get on with what really matters like sex and drinking to excess.

    Sheesh!

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  23. bchapman (649 comments) says:

    Don’t know about NZ, be we are way ahead of Australia when it comes to race relations. Tampa refugee crisis and the reaction, Cronulla riots, reaction to the Mabo case etc etc….

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  24. john.bt (170 comments) says:

    What the hell is a “barbecue” ? And why is anyone interested in what HClark thinks. The only bonus of having an Apartheid Party is that Labour are buggered for the foreseeable future and not in a way they might enjoy.

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  25. AlphaKiwi (684 comments) says:

    I’m not very clear on this, but how is the Maori Party so much better than the British National Party (BNP)? Both say they are for the indigenous people of their respective countries. Is it ever okay to have a political party based on race?

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  26. starboard (2,447 comments) says:

    I’m not very clear on this, but how is the Maori Party so much better than the British National Party (BNP)? Both say they are for the indigenous people of their respective countries. Is it ever okay to have a political party based on race?

    ..exactly…something I cant get my head around either…

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  27. Michael (880 comments) says:

    Wait! Helen Clark knows all about ordinary New Zealanders – she spent so long studying about them at University.

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  28. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Like others have already mentioned; Klark has done more to set race relations back in New Zealand than any other political leader this country has ever seen.

    If anyone is a ‘hater and wrecker’ it is Helun Klark herself. And let’s not forget the artform she made of smearing anyone who opposed her, or stood in her way. I really don’t know if NZ will ever recover from the damage that woman has wrought on our fair land.

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  29. dime (8,746 comments) says:

    if she thinks NZ is racist… she should spend some time in aussie!

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  30. calendar girl (1,108 comments) says:

    Toad: ‘… his “cannibal” reference is in the same league as her “haters and wreckers”.’ It wasn’t, as illustrated by a couple of important distinguishing features:

    1. Clark’s comment was uttered through clenched teeth, contempt and hatred clearly evident for all to see. By contrast, Key made a light-hearted aside, the kind of comment that Billy T James would have been proud of and most people with a sense of humour would have laughed at without malice.

    2. It is indisputable that Clark used the words “haters and wreckers”, and did so quite deliberately. Key did not use the term “cannibal” at all. Rather, the word was published immediately in contrived “reporting” by mischievous journalists and their political fellow-travellers. That was a futile attempt by the far left in to divide the PM from the majority of NZers. The latter can relate to Key and think that he’s a reasonable bloke – whatever policy misgivings they may hold.

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  31. gravedodger (1,426 comments) says:

    Random Thoughts on the All Blacks;
    Fatty Weepu has to be one of the lucky ones but with our goal kicking stocks at a very low ebb that must have been a plus.
    If Israel Dagg is the answer then I forgot the question.
    H.Gear and R Wulf must have pissed someone off bigtime.
    Sean Maitland has been ahead of Guildford for most of this season on form.
    Brad Thorn has reached his international use by date.
    Micheal Patterson is my nomination for bloody unlucky and I am still completely mystified with what Issaac Ross’s status is.
    I hope that Conrad Smith can remain injury free to organise the back line in line with the now famous “Haden” theory on management skills.
    There is a distinctly amateur look about that team. Take out the 3 most capped backs and 3 most capped forwards and the remaining 20 average around 14 caps.

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  32. krazykiwi (9,188 comments) says:

    NZ-style racism is carefully designed by the left to hold one group in constant guilt for actual or fabricated sins of past generations, while holding the other group in indefinite, helpless dependence on the state.

    The Maori people of NZ are more victims of racism at the hand of modern-day leftists, than they ever were at the hands of my great-great-great grandfather’s generation.

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  33. Muzza M (286 comments) says:

    NZ is a very racist country.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10648140

    Hope it works, this is the first time I have ever link whored.

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  34. Muzza M (286 comments) says:

    See also Cactus Kate

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  35. Johnboy (13,341 comments) says:

    “Fatty Weepu has to be one of the lucky ones ”

    Damned racist remark GD.

    Everybody knows that persons of Polynesian extraction are naturally heavier in build than others and should not be discriminated against. (Unless in Canterbury).

    Put on your dunces cap and report to Joris for re-education. :)

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  36. toad (3,654 comments) says:

    @ ‘baiter

    Toad, you’re the one who is being divisive, with your talk of Maori and or “Pakehas NZers”.

    Until all the historical grievances are amicably settled (with the buy-in of iwi and hapu, rather than just that of their leadership), it is the Crown which is being divisive.

    After all, it is the Crown which created the grievances by expropriating Maori land. I’m not aware of any iwi or hapu whop want full compensation at current value – even though I would back them if that was what they claimed. I thin Maori are beign reasonable about this. Successive governments are not.

    @calendar girl

    Misdirection!

    Key knew exactly what he was doing (he first said it at a meeting with some people from Ngati Porou, and repeated it two days later at the Auckland tourism event). It was no flippant remark made on the spur of the moment. The fact that it was repeated, and that it was first delivered to a Ngati Porou audience, would indicate that it was a deliberate strategy to undermine Tuhoe.

    No less despicable than Clark – just a bit more subtle.

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  37. Johnboy (13,341 comments) says:

    Nothing subtle about that trick Toad.
    It worked in Scotland for the English.
    It worked/is working in the Middle East.
    It worked/ is working in NZ.

    Its called keep the Clans/Tribes/Iwi at each others throats and they won’t have time to cut yours.

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  38. Sideoiler (69 comments) says:

    “The most ultimately righteous of all wars is a war with savages, though it is apt to be also the most terrible and inhuman. The rude, fierce settler who drives the savage from the land lays all civilized mankind under a debt to him. …it is of incalculable importance that America, Australia, and Siberia should pass out of the hands of their red, black, and yellow aboriginal owners, and become the heritage of the dominant world races.”
    – Theodore Roosevelt.
    The historical grievances will never be settled Toad, It is not to the advantage of Maori to do so, for if they were to settle, there would no longer be a reason to under perform.

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  39. davidp (3,319 comments) says:

    Maybe Clark was talking about NZ First? NZ First is a deeply racist party, but that was quite okay with Clark as long as it kept her in power.

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  40. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “it is the Crown which is being divisive”

    Toad- its a scam. A race based scam designed to bring power to the left. Its in your strategy manual. Don’t lay your wet bullshit on me. You think I came down in the last shower? For fuck’s sake, I’ve been awake to you cynical lying posturing leftist scum for decades. It is my ambition to awaken EVERYONE to all of your lies and your scams and your stinking putrid lowlife schemes whereby you destroy anything or anybody that gets in the way of your obsession with power and your endless campaign against liberty and free enterprise.

    You want and end to racism? You really want that??? Of course you don’t. You want to push that country splitting barrow as far as you can. You want to pit NZer against NZer in every way you can, and while we’re distracted with all of that, with myths and or scams like racism and grievances, and feminism, and homosexuality, and the under-privileged, and multiculturalism, you’re working stealthily in the background to tighten your grip on power and subvert our democracy.

    Here’s want you need to do if you want an end to racism Toad- you get every reference to Maori or Pakeha NZer of any other damn race completely expunged from the statutes. Completely stripped from each and every law or regulation. You abandon the grievances fraud and you disband the Waitangi Tribunal and you spit on the Maori party.

    But you won’t do one of those things will you Toad? Why not? Because you want it that way. You’re looking to make political hay from racism. You would prostrate yourself in a flash before Turiana Turia if you thought there was political gain in it. Just like every other power obsessed racist socialist scumbag.

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  41. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    Maybe Clark was talking about NZ First? NZ First is a deeply racist party, but that was quite okay with Clark as long as it kept her in power.

    And from what I remember, Labour supporters in Tauranga were giving their party vote to Labour and electoral vote to Winnie.

    Hoons to a man.

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  42. hj (5,674 comments) says:

    It’s alright to call non Maori “tauiwi” (foreigner) Toad?
    http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/05/28/appropriate-levels-of-decision-making-te-tiriti-and-mmp/#comments

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  43. wreck1080 (3,522 comments) says:

    Helen just hates NZ.

    No doubt she thinks NZ are a bunch of homosexual haters too.

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  44. big bruv (12,323 comments) says:

    Toad

    “Until all the historical grievances are amicably settled (with the buy-in of iwi and hapu, rather than just that of their leadership), it is the Crown which is being divisive.”

    Typical Green party bullshit, light on detail and all very woolly sounding.

    Why not tell us all what an amicable settlement is in the eyes of the Greens?

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  45. emmess (1,332 comments) says:

    I am suprised no one has mentioned the Gordon Brown’s bigotgate
    And the contempt the socialist elite have for ordinary people’s concerns

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  46. krazykiwi (9,188 comments) says:

    Are Maori indigenous (‘first peoples’) … or were they colonizers, just as Europeans were colonisers?

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  47. hj (5,674 comments) says:

    What exactly do the Greens think will happen by vesting control of the foreshore and seabed in the hands of iwi and hapu Toad?

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/eviction-threat-upsets-residents-3572055

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  48. fatman43us (165 comments) says:

    Clark is yesterday’s fish and chips wrapper. Who gives a toss what she thinks.

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  49. hj (5,674 comments) says:

    Toad Says:
    “Until all the historical grievances are amicably settled (with the buy-in of iwi and hapu, rather than just that of their leadership), it is the Crown which is being divisive.”
    …..
    Tarian Turia : Tribes Treaty Claims 1.5% of what was taken. Settlements can’t be full and final.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/national/ckpt/2008/09/05/waatea_news

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  50. toad (3,654 comments) says:

    @big bruv 6:29 pm

    Why not tell us all what an amicable settlement is in the eyes of the Greens?

    It is one that has the support of the iwi, or hapu, or whanau, or other non-historical grouping of Maori bringing the claim. You seem to be in the mindset, bruv, that Maori will continue to claim until they get full restitution for the land and its economic potential that was ripped off from them.

    Recent history would suggest that is not the case (although I would still back them if it were). What Maori usually want in Treaty settlements is sufficient to re-establish an economic base, return of land and taonga that has cultural significance, and an apology for past wrongs.

    Why is that a biggie? Personally, I think Maori have a case to be compensated for all past Treaty breaches at today’s value. What they are claiming is a pittance, in that context.

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  51. toad (3,654 comments) says:

    @hj 6:41 pm

    What exactly do the Greens think will happen by vesting control of the foreshore and seabed in the hands of iwi and hapu Toad?

    Justice! And goodwill between the peoples of our country hj.

    But it should be vested in them only if they can demonstrate continuous customary ownership, or if it was alienated from them by a rip-off. There is some foreshore and seabed that has found its way into private hands by legitimate means. Iwi and hapu have no claim to that.

    BTW, it was suggested at frogblog today that you are “jh” there. Correct or not? Are you a NZ First supporter?

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  52. big bruv (12,323 comments) says:

    The ‘biggie’ Toad is that not one single Maori has been disadvantaged or ‘hurt’ by these historical events, what we have in NZ is the very worst form of grievance industry.

    The truth Toad is that Maori have had generations to establish an economic base, they have not done so, it is simply not credible for them to suggest that they are victims of the treaty when it happened so many years ago.

    Generations of losers are being raised and educated by idiots like Delahunty to believe that they have no chance in life unless the white mofo’s pay for what they may or may not have done wrong years ago.

    Now, I did ask you before and you avoided it once again with another woolly answer, can you please have another go, what in the eyes of the Greens would constitute a amicable settlement?, is it the north island, one trillion dollars,..what do the Greens think is amicable?

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  53. big bruv (12,323 comments) says:

    Toad

    “Justice! And goodwill between the peoples of our country hj.”

    Oh yeah, I can just see all that goodwill as white Kiwis have to ask permission or pay to visit the beach.

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  54. EverlastingFire (290 comments) says:

    Helen Clark just fuckin sickens me. That she has the nerve to make comments like this after she and her comrades fucked this nation up so badly in every aspect.

    The irony of her comments is that in 2004 a politician campaigning against her advocating “one law for all” led to her losing significant support. Because of her consistent positive discrimination policies, she felt a backlash. She would offer bribes and privileges to Maoris/Pacific Islanders/students to secure her position of power. Clark put her manipulative and scaremongering skills to work on vulnerable minorities gaining the support of students, ethnics and elderly to scrape by for one last term.

    She should be not be allowed to walk around and make comments such as this so freely after what she has done.

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  55. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    Emmess, it’s the same thing in the US as well.

    …32% of all voters are at least somewhat confident that their representatives in Congress have the voters’ best interests in mind. Sixty-six percent (66%) don’t share the confidence, down 10 points from October 2008.

    Again, while 79% of the Political Class are confident that their members of Congress do have their best interests at heart, 84% of Mainstream voters don’t see it that way…

    The political class hates your guts, peon. Now pay your taxes and die, there’s a good boy.

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  56. hj (5,674 comments) says:

    Toad Says:

    Justice! And goodwill between the peoples of our country hj.

    like this?

    “Homeowners in Little Waihi are furious the local Te Arawa iwi is throwing them out of their homes.

    Te Arawa says around 30 residents of the tiny settlement are damaging the nearby estuary just south of Tauranga.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/eviction-threat-upsets-residents-3572055

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  57. calendar girl (1,108 comments) says:

    “Misdirection!” Rubbish, Toad. You’re the one guilty of misdirection when you link Key with the word “cannibal” (that he did not use) in order to make an invalid comparison with Clark’s hate-filled “haters and wreckers” comment. You’re playing your clever diversion game again, well aware that Clark’s views are indefensible – but trying to drag Key into the same sorry mire. Face the fact, Toad. This story is merely a revelation about Clark’s underlying attitudes and motivations, which she shared with insiders but never with the people who made her their leader. Your attempt to smear Key on the back of the story is pretty contemptible.

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  58. hj (5,674 comments) says:

    It’s useless discussing racism with Toad or Phil U or the people at Standard until you achieve B.A in Post Colonial Studies (not that many would want to).

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  59. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    I feel sorry for the Dear One, her world is filled with haters and wreckers and I suspect this label is not solely intended for Maori. The Dear One should try copulation with the intent of love not show. If humans can continue as a species I very much doubt racism will be our downfall.

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  60. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    hj: will sociology suffice?

    Surprised Puke ain’t here to tell us neanderthals what’s what.

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  61. Michael (880 comments) says:

    HJ: It’s not their land, and they have only a license to occupy. The iwi have every right to evict the residents and they can’t do a thing about it. Just as the Government have every right to use force to remoce land occupation protestors who refuse to go when trepassed by the legal owner.

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  62. jcuknz (648 comments) says:

    Eddie C …. I’m sure that Helen Clark is correct from what I have seen during my 57 years in NZ …. BUT like Winston Churchill said about demoncracy … it is faulty but anything else is worse … NZ is mostly benign and there are many other countries much much worse … but of course we could do better but I don’t know how it will become that way.

    The ‘canabal’ statement is what many say in private but unfortunately he said it with a journo in hearing. Although I agree with Calendar Girl that BTJ could have said it years ago and people would have laughed, but with the Maori Party rampant there are so many no go areas these days. It could be that Maori were suppressed and quiet back pre-BTJ’s time but now they are not and willing to claim injury.

    Toad 5.53 Perhaps time will heal as with the United Kingdom after the French invasion, although that was a sub division of the Norse countries who invaded earlier.

    BB7.00 didn’t something like that happen in the last few days, I didn’t hear the radio report clearly. $2 for some bikies to enter somewhere.

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  63. RRM (8,988 comments) says:

    Farrar being little more than a National Party lap dog, of course focuses on this as first and foremost and opportunity to try to discredit the (former) Labour leader. (Go get ‘im, boy!!!)

    But Clark is dead right. You would have to be blind, deaf, dumb, INCREDIBLY SHELTERED AND/OR STUPID to think there isn’t deeply-ingrained racism throughout this country. Everywhere there are people who hate Maoris, hate Pacific Islanders, hate Asians, hate Muslims, hate [insert hobby horse], etc. Or rather, they hate some blinkered caricature/strawman generalization of those people that exists mainly in their own prejudices.

    The only mitigating factor, is that most of the rest of the world is a whole hell of a lot worse ;-)

    But again, why talk about uncomfortable stuff like this, when you can just take meaningless cheap shots at your former nemesis, “Dear Leader”?

    [DPF: Hating a religion is not racism. Other all those who hate Christianity would be racists. And I am neither sheltered or stupid and think the vast majority of New Zealanders do not hate entire races. To the contrary there is probably not a workplace in NZ that doesn't have a blend of different races working together without much of a care for race.

    I actually think you are the sheltered one, like Clark, who mistakes strong views on racial politics, as being racism]

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  64. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Hurf Durf (1664) Says:
    May 30th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
    hj: will sociology suffice?

    Surprised Puke ain’t here to tell us neanderthals what’s what.

    Ah Hurfie Durfie, so cute, thank you for thinking of me. And I do have a few observations I don’t mind sharing with you:

    1. Abbott is Maori? Really? Ah well, just goes to show that collaborators forever prosper.

    2. RNZ pays DPF? I thought it was the opposite…oh, that’s right, RNZ is non-commercial. I wonder if they would take me for free? DPF can play the blogger, me the bloggee…heh heh.

    3. krazykiwi, O deluded one, yes, the definition of indigenous includes first peoples, and Maori were our first peoples, unless you include moas (not the Masport variety), or seals (not including O rings).

    4. Calendar Girl – nice tits!

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  65. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    “New Zealand was really a very racist country” Helen made it even more racist by non-productive policies. Most NZers I know believe in a fair go for everybody, how is that racist? Her latest statement is possibly designed to impress the greviance lobby in the UN.

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  66. Jeff83 (765 comments) says:

    moths to a flame boy, moths to a flame.

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  67. MikeNZ (3,234 comments) says:

    LUC
    you pillock.
    Maori history clearly tells us that they ate other people who they met here!
    Duh.

    So they weren’t the first peoples were they?
    They ate the evidence probably after murdering, raping and enslaving them.

    Lastly, Tangata Whenua refers to people of the land not first peoples, unlike your mates at the UN indigenous peoples NGO’s political inspired viewpoint and backed up by their tame fellow academics.

    That includes the anti tradional judeo christian liberal crowd that Clark belongs too.
    Duh!

    Therefore all people born here are Tangata Whenua, not some bunch of racists whose ancestors came on 5 Waka and consider themselves the owners of NZ.
    All people who are citizens are equal and NO ONE has any place above them.

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  68. Bob R (1,250 comments) says:

    ***bchapman (446) Says:

    May 30th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
    Don’t know about NZ, be we are way ahead of Australia when it comes to race relations. Tampa refugee crisis and the reaction, Cronulla riots, reaction to the Mabo case etc etc….***

    The Cronulla riots were caused by middle eastern guys insulting women & beating up some surf lifeguards who intervened.

    As for the Tampa refugee crisis, that was a normal reaction to an invasion.

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  69. RRM (8,988 comments) says:

    Correct Muslims are not a race. But the flavour of the prejudice against them here seems quite similar to racism.

    [DPF: For some, but not all. I’m lucky that I knew lots of Muslims through my international stuff, and know the difference between extremists and every day Muslims.

    Interestingly the new Conservative Party Chairwoman in the UK is a Muslim.

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  70. LiberalismIsASin (288 comments) says:

    But we like racism and sincerely encourage it. But not white racism – that in fact is the only type there is – everything else, well thats just culture!

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  71. Right of way is Way of Right (1,125 comments) says:

    The last Labour Government did all it could to ‘empower’ the maori (yeah, Right), yet in it’s kneejerk reaction to a non-issue, (The Foreshore and Seabed debate) it effectively deprived from them the basic legal right to argue case law in it’s own matters, a law that under ‘one rule for all’ would have been enshrined IN LAW.

    By that one decision, Helen Clark effectively lost her right to comment on any race related matters in this country.

    When you consider that the two areas in which Maori are proportionally over-represented in NZ are the Prison Population and the Armed Forces, perhaps Maori issues are less a collective failing than an issue of individual responsibility. many Maori achieve both in New Zealand and worldwide in many fields.

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  72. hj (5,674 comments) says:

    # Michael (101) Says:
    May 30th, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    HJ: It’s not their land, and they have only a license to occupy. The iwi have every right to evict the residents and they can’t do a thing about it. Just as the Government have every right to use force to remoce land occupation protestors who refuse to go when trepassed by the legal owner.
    ……
    It would be interesting to audit Maori coastal dwellings to see how clean their waste water is. It would also be interesting to know what areas might be affected if iwi are given customary title. Then of course there is “te tiritti”

    “Ever since 1840 Iwi and Hapu have claimed that the foreshore and seabed fall within the exercise of tino rangatiratanga because they are both part of the whenua. However the Crown has assumed that it has absolute ownership of it and there have been numerous Maori protests and court cases through the years.

    * So it’s a Treaty issue then?

    It is clearly covered as a Treaty right in Article Two which acknowledges that Iwi and Hapu have “exclusive and undisturbed possession” of lands etc.

    However the Treaty merely reaffirmed a right and authority which Maori had exercised for centuries before 1840.”
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0307/S00029.htm

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  73. BlairM (2,266 comments) says:

    I think it all depends where you go and whom you talk to. It’s ridiculous to generalise about 4.4 million people and say they’re all racist. A bigoted statement in itself.

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  74. Simon J Taylor (29 comments) says:

    “she was determined to do everything she could as prime minister to change that.”

    In the remote chance of there being anything in that nonsensical statement, what in God’s name could she have then done to change that? …. complete humbug.

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  75. hj (5,674 comments) says:

    “In the remote chance of there being anything in that nonsensical statement, what in God’s name could she have then done to change that? …. complete humbug.”

    This?
    http://nbr.infometrics.co.nz/labour-s-third-world-solution_409.html

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  76. hj (5,674 comments) says:

    This was repeated on Campbell Live (29 June) but ian McKellin remarks “what an awfull thing to say about you’re own country” (I think…. without the full interview).
    http://www.3news.co.nz/Waiting-for-Gandalf/tabid/817/articleID/163376/Default.aspx

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