No more dinner jokes
Stuff reports:
Prime Minister John Key has apologised over a joke which has been interpreted by some as linking Tuhoe with cannibalism.
Mr Key this morning sparked a frenzy of outrage when he opened a speech joking that if he had a meal with Tuhoe he would have been on the menu – taken by some to be a suggestion members of the iwi were cannibals.
Mr Key said he thought Tuhoe would get the joke, but it appears they were not amused.
Mr Key this afternoon told reporters he was sorry for any offence caused.
“Ahh look, it was a light-hearted joke, a bit of self-deprecating humour, but if anyone is offended, then I deeply apologise.”
One of the many reasons why I would not stand for Parliament is the fact my sense of humour would constantly get me in trouble. Especially with the gingas.
May 13th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
WELL let us exam history. Just as the whitey bashers are so full of remembering the colonial days let us not forget the history of the native peoples and their predeliction for human flesh cooked.
Seems to me there is ample evidence and whilst we are ab out it lets not forget the genocide of one of the native peoples upon another of the native peoples.
Its called people in glass houses are stupid if they throw stones.
May 13th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Ahh fuck!
Why did Key apologise?
Far better for Key to have said “Look, it was a joke, if Tuhoe are so precious that they take offence then that is not my problem”
May 13th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
Thats not what he said.
It did not link them with cannibalism.
They are pig stupid or downright wicked to do that.
I expect it of Labour/Greens and the liberal left media to look for any way to make shit.
But then lets by all means look at the history of our so called Tangata Whenua on cannibalism and democracy.
John Key is a PC prick. there is no need to apologise at all, everyone needs to get a life on this issue.
What he should apologise for, is writing into law a change to Sec 59 he knew would do nothing to protect and stop the murders of our kids.
Now that is a travesty and shows his weak character as it does all those who voted with him, no matter their party.
Give John Key and The National Party a smack at the next election.
Vote your PARTY VOTE to ACT
May 13th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
How inward-looking we have become as a society. So enjoy this video while we still can!!!
http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/05/puha-and-pakeha.html
May 13th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
“Especially with the gingas.”
You really ought to widen your repertoire. The shark was truely jumped on the ginga thing, and now you sound like a bore.
[DPF: No the bores are those who keep whining about it]
May 13th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
@MikeNZ
What he said was:
The portrayal by Key of Ngāti Porou as the “friendly Maoris” against the cannibalistic Tūhoe is doubly insulting to Tūhoe, given that Ngāti Porou, or at least some of its hāpu, sided with the Crown in their pursuit of Te Kooti when Tūhoe gave refuge to him.
Only Key will knows if the cannibalism allusion was intended or not. Irrespective of that, it was incredibly insensitive at a time when he had just stomped on what Tūhoe believed to have been a settlement negotiated in good faith – and in a speech to which it was completely irrelevant and was not in his speech notes.
Who knows what he was thinking? Just plain dumb and insulting. At least he’s man enough to apologise.
But all credit to Tamati Kruger, Tūhoe negotiator, for his response that Key’s comment was in “poor taste”. Diplomatic and restrained, but very witty.
May 13th, 2010 at 5:03 pm
Ah, the PM with the spine of a jellyfish backs down again.
This man, Neville Key, cannot be taken seriously.
May 13th, 2010 at 5:03 pm
Indeed toad – Tuhoe would probably far rather eat Parekura Horomia than Hone Key; the kai would certainly go further!
May 13th, 2010 at 5:05 pm
He shouldnt have apologised if we can be called White MoFo’s and cracker assed rednecks (hat tip to polly wog) then we must be able to call a spade a spade.
May 13th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
Toad, your just seeing offense where none was intended in the first place.
May 13th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
Hone Harawira apologised (eventually, and admittedly under pressure) for the “white mofos” email. At least that was in what he thought would remain a private communication, not in a speech intended to be reported.
May 13th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
Who gives a shit?
The wankers (RNZ,TVNZ etc) and wowsers (see toady above).
It was a joke,get over it.
May 13th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
Why are all these dipsticks crawling over each other to take offence on behalf of Tuhoe? Are Tuhoe unable to speak up for themselves – do they need all these concerned paternalistic liberals to go into bat on their behalf?
May 13th, 2010 at 5:24 pm
WE DON’T CARE-this is a storm in a tea cup over bullshit. It is ok for me to be called a coloniser…or a white mofo, but a small joke by a small man is wrung out to achieve maximum political gain. All power to Key for showing the vestiges of a sense humour.
Actually I don’t mind what Hone said. It confimed what i already thought, that he was an ignorant, arrogant racist.
May 13th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
@3-coil
They have:
May 13th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
You are being as precious as the Tuhoe, Toad with your faux outrage. When I heard the remark, I associated it with the fact that he had pissed off Tuhoe by taking the Urewera NP off the table. Cannibalism did not even register. Obviously there is a really really sensitive spot there though Never heard the saying, to “make a meal of someone” who has upset you?
Now that is totally different from the Maori MP who gave his family connection to Tainui in Parliament (now enshrined in Hansard no doubt) by describing how his ancestor was chased down and captured by Tainui. As they were “preparing him for dinner they discovered his stomach was full of corn which they planted.” And it is now legend that all the corn crops in the Waikato originated from his ancestor’s stomach contents.
Now no-one was outraged at being described/confirmed as cannibals, but when it suits we get wailing and gnashing of teeth. He should have given them the bird and bared his backside at them. “Kiss my soft pakeha butt” would have been an entirely appropriate response.
Kids trying to act like grown-ups it seems
May 13th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
@ Toad So are you saying it ok to make racist remarks if it was private or are you saying its ok if youre brown, or Johns not allowed because he’s white.
May 13th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
Sideoiler – you’ve summed it up nicely! In much the same way, Christians are now fair game, but Muslims are taboo (am I allowed to use that word?).
May 13th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
I think its all a bit precious really…….I mean hello?
Think hypothetically……..If I pissed my boss off and I got summoned to his office and given a dressing down when I came out I would describe the experience as, ‘My boss chewed my head off.’
Think also …..say you’re playing chess with a pro and he defeats you in say 5 moves, ‘It would be colourful use of the English language to say’ Man that guy had me for dinner in that game.’
In neither situation would anyone apart from a real numb-skull actually take you literally as meaning that you got your head physically chewed off or got eaten for dinner.
I think the Tuhoe and the Flavell guy must have a bit of German blood in their veins – no sense of humour.
My missus and her family are half Maori/half Islander and they crack jokes all the time about their colour/size/poly characteristics.
I think a lot of the PC Maori have forgotten to have a crackup attitude about them which is disappointing because it is one of the great things about Maori is their sense of humour. Do we want John Key to have to ask 10 advisors before he can say anything at all? The fact that he speaks in a carefree manner is one good thing about the way he does Prime Minister.
Heaven forbid he turn into the Clark Clone
May 13th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
well I thought is was funny and I remember the puha and pakeha song I2 shows above.
I wonder if we taste like chicken?
May 13th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
One of the many reasons why I would not stand for Parliament is the fact my sense of humour .
Yeah… and that the people would vote for you.
Is that all John K said that he would have been on the menu.. if he was in Tuhoe”s patch after saying no to their claim.. just a figure of speech.. that shows he has a sense of humour.. Tuhoe’s frenzy outrage over it is pathetic.. along with the Maori Party’s reaction… Next their will be a Maori revolt… because of Johns checky white mans grin.
May 13th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
Yes, it was a not very funny joke. But you better take earplugs and a fainting couch to the next hui you attend — when I’ve heard Tuhoe take swipes are other iwi and individuals that are unrepeatable (and in a number of cases actionably defamatory). And get it right back, needless to add.
May 13th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
jaba (5:31pm) – ask Tuhoe.
May 13th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
research has shown
Pakeha start smoking at sixteen.
Maori start smoking at thirteen.
Gingers start smoking when sunlight touches them.
May 13th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
Tuhoe at no time reached a ‘settlement’ with the Crown; no doubt they had a wish list and the Crown negotiators prepared several options for Cabinet to decide on. Key stepped in because Tuhoe organized a hui to declare that they had won the day and ownership of UNP would be transferred – a publicity stunt designed to force the issue. Tuhoe were pre-empting a cabinet decision purely for political purposes – what they wanted was never going to happen. Kudos to John Key for front footing it rather than waiting for the compliant MSM to crawl all over the issue and make it look like a backdown.
May 13th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
“Gingers start smoking when sunlight touches them.”
Indeed they do bb and they’re smoking hot when they say they can’t spot the difference between a wimpish John My Farts Don’t Smell Key and some Hannibal Lecter tribe that used to lurk with bad intent in the land of the twisted culturally sensitive cloud of bullshit and jelly beans?
Bring back Billy T and fuck pc and demerits!!
May 13th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
The hitherto unabated transfer of wealth and micro-sovereignty concessions takes a minor pause … and suddenly “Relations with Mr Key are getting worse”. Pffft.
May 13th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Not very original to say so in light of all the other comments saying the same thing, but I agree that Key shouldn’t have even thought of apologising. Christ the Maoris can be a bunch of precious assholes can’t they? Much as I dislike the prick I thought his comment was pretty witty and quick.
May 13th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
I can remember when New Zealanders had a since of humour and can even remember when we were allowed to have one
Kruger is being politically precious, the P M had nothing to apologise for ( oh how I wish he hadn’t), I bet he got a good laugh where he was.
If he had said he would have had been forced to drink hemlock, I presume the Greek community would have been up in arms
May 13th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
May I recommend that those who took such offence that they report to their Doctor for a sense of humour injection.
May 13th, 2010 at 6:10 pm
Were Tuhoe involved in cannabalism? If so, have they apologised for the historic wrongs committed by their ancestors and paid compensation? If not, then Key’s apology was necessary and delivered in a timely fashion.
May 13th, 2010 at 6:10 pm
I’ve just heard the audio of Key’s apology on 3News (via RadioLive) – it was a pretty conditional one – “IF I’ve offended anyone …”
May 13th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
Picks teeth, hmm the Tuhoe, nope not as good eating as the Nga Tahu.
Jeez, ease up people.
May 13th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
“not as good eating as the Nga Tahu.”
Please hori boil the pot before Rik Tau and his mafia thugs take all the water from the Mak so they can milk the biggest tit farm downunder!
May 13th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
Picks teeth, hmm the Tuhoe, nope not as good eating as the Nga Tahu.
Jeez, ease up people.
What about Tainui? Or are they bad for the cholestorol?
May 13th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
It is a known fact Maori were Cannibals. But we are not allowed to mention it. If we do then Tuhoe have the right to get upset about it. FUCK OFF
Well Tama Iti, shitstirrer for Tuhoe, will you shoot another New Zealand Flag?
May 13th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
I think it was quite funny and quite harmless. I think Tuhoe are being too precious as cannibalism was rife particularly in the inter-tribal wars. The original Māori king, Te Wherowhero was a noted cannibal as were many others of his generation. As for taste, my Great Grandfather told my mother that it was like eating very salty pork
May 13th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
As usual Toad bends over backwoods defending John Harawira’s “white mofo” comment, after all, in his mind it cannot be racist because it was said by a Maori.
Meanwhile, he conjures up as much faux outrage as he possible can about Key’s words.
I suspect it has been a tough day for the Non Maori Greens, after Key’s joke, I imagine they had to all go outside and beat themselves with a stick while chanting “I am sorry for being born white” as a form of punishment and to show solidarity with the Maori countrymen..
May 13th, 2010 at 7:24 pm
Haha you do crack me up bruv
May 13th, 2010 at 7:53 pm
Indeed. Mr Kruger knows that one art of a negotiator is to keep the other side on the defensive. Smooth. Very smooth.
May 13th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
opps..
Should have read “backward” not backwoods.
May 13th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
It was meant as a toungue in cheek reference, and the lefty media seized on it, salivating like lapdogs.
Meanwhile, I am more concerned about the very brave and staunch Maori who assaulted a 4 year old child because he was wearing a red shirt.
Idiots everywhere. Sometimes I despair of the people in this country, I really do!
May 13th, 2010 at 8:38 pm
Adds a whole new meaning to “gone by lunchtime” doesn’t it?
May 13th, 2010 at 8:53 pm
It all goes to prove how unreliable and inconsistent tohue are – Just as well they haven’t got a park to manage – if they get unset by dinner jokes, theyll certainly not be able to handle people management challenges………..
May 13th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
Good on him for taking what is hopefully one of many stands against the big brown outstretched hand.
Hey the Maori used to eat people.
I thought they were proud of their warrior past?
Or do they wipe that bit from the Maori history lessons and books too?
Anyone for a hangi?
May 13th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
Both Tama Iti and John Key’s have now made arses of themselves.. so they can now rub arses instead of noses.
May 13th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
So what if the maori used to eat people? We all evolve and move on don’t we?
I thought the oft used expression, “they eat people like me for breakfast” etc was what Key probably meant, due to their ferocity compared to his limp wristed smile and wave persona. Makes sense to me!
May 13th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
Yes RKBee, that will certainly make a change to JK sticking his nose up brown arses. With todays “quip” I can’t help wondering if the tide is turning. Maybe, like a growing number of New Zealanders, JK may have just about had a gutsful of the whinging, ungrateful, so called tangata whenua. Tuhoe and Turia can’t take a joke because they are a fucking joke, and deep down they know it. Notice Sharples has been pretty quiet over this, I wonder what forest he has been bribed with to keep his mouth shut.
May 13th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
And Toad @ 4.59pm, you’re a fuckpig.
May 13th, 2010 at 9:45 pm
Funniest line of the day was the Tuhoe bloke saying it was in poor taste.
May 13th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
I don’t get it really. Jonky has bent over backwards for Maori since he became PM, and at one little joke they’re all over him. They need to lighten up.
Fonzie jumped a shark once
May 13th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
Iv’e noticed on the TV theres a lot of Tūhoe gingas… I could even see on their skin where the flies have been.
May 13th, 2010 at 10:14 pm
ok, so I’m going to go against the flow here. Modern Kiwi’s of all shades (incl me) feel that it’s very unfair to be held to account for failings – actual or perceived – of the European settlers. The endless treaty nonsense, apologies, the intergeneration guilt industry etc
But now some Tūhoe people are offended by a suggestion – clearly in jest – that they might eat Key (because of their cannibalistic history). I say let them be offended. And let Key appolgise, and let that be the end of it.
I never plan to offend anyone, but if I do inadvertently then I’ll apologise. Key has this. Kudos to him.
May 13th, 2010 at 10:18 pm
Poison Toad (4.59) should leave Ngati Porou alone. Not because they sometimes sided with the British, but because they have given NZ so many outstanding people.
Toad omits that a Ngati Porou elder on Radio NZ elaborated on the Key comments, saying those present at the Ngati Porou function knew Key was joking.
The old Maori-Labour alliance is creaking, Toad. Labour is fucked and will amalgamate with National over the next 15 years, with the Melon Greens leading a coalition opposition that will include fossil leftists like Toad.
Toad just has to get over it: Marx has been dead for 127 years, and the Russians and Chinese have abandoned communism. Toady’s dreamlands are now only North Korea, Cuba, and perhaps Belarus.
There’s no going back Toady!
May 13th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10642406
I think this sums up all we need to know about apologies
May 13th, 2010 at 10:32 pm
Quite agree Jim. Plus I imagine the fact he has $50+ million makes him worry less than most about what he says and that’s a good thing.
People like Goof in this situation would be mortified and people like Hulun would be too self-disciplined to let herself get into it at all because her whole life was that bubble [sad cow]. It’s frankly refreshing to have a PM who doesn’t give a fuck. The last one was Moore but we didn’t see much of him and the last one before that was Lange, but it’s fucking refreshing and
Go John!
May 13th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
I must say though it is not just these few Tuhoe that need a humor injection. It seems to be a disease that is spreading through our country.
Horseplay is a sackable offense as an example. I fear we have removed spontaneity and fun from our lives in our headlong rush to be like everyone else. PC, accountability and responsibility are making one dull country.
May 13th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
Toady, if you want something more concrete to tilt at Google “Maori jokes” on the internet.
The link below is to one site, anti-misandry.com
The link:
http://antimisandry.com/fun-humor/maori-jokes-jools-others-19248.html
One of its lighter jokes, in which “Maori” is irrelevant, it could be any rural Kiwis.
May 13th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
[DPF: No the bores are those who keep whining about it]
I see what you did there. Very clever.
May 13th, 2010 at 10:46 pm
Sharples has been pretty quiet over this, I wonder what forest he has been bribed with to keep his mouth shut.
I don’t know about even more trees.. but for him personally iv’e heard whispers of the Governor Generalship for Sharples is on the cards.. a position of great mana within Maoridom.
Yeah.. and I believe Key is just putting up smoke screens giving us non Maori false hope… while his National mates are in the back rooms making the big deals.
May 13th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
Tuhoe have a valid point. Prima facie, Key slept while his ministers negotiated long and hard and then suddenly woke up and smelt the pakeha roses and made an instinct call.
This was really fucking politically dumb. No doubt about it. This was a lose-lose situation, all the way. Why?
There is a huge political story behind why he did that and some enterprising journo(s) are I hope, already on it.
He can’t have been unaware, so what was it?
Meanwhile, whatever the truth or the eventual spin story behind why it happened, our Maori Brothers have been publicly humiliated and I’m not sure if you’ve noticed but apparently the Tuhoe people don’t have a whole hell of a lot of tolerance for that.
He couldn’t have done it at a worse time to a worse negotiation, in other words.
This is highly significant and risks at the least a significant setback if not a total reversal of the significant gains thus far vis-a-vis National and the MP. If Liarbore had a clue, and they do, they’ll be working as I write this, to promise, promise, promise and apologise. Apologise for Hulun’s sleight, and promise not to do it again.
May 13th, 2010 at 10:57 pm
“Never heard the saying, to “make a meal of someone” who has upset you?”
As it happens I have not, and neither has google
Of course we have all heard the saying “making it up as he goes along”
May 13th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
Yes Labour should be licking arses.. but they are licking bus tickets instead.
May 13th, 2010 at 11:01 pm
shit..!..i agree with reid…!
..(this must mean/be the endtimes..?
..when the whoar and reid..do agree..
..a boiling sea you will see..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
May 13th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
“..I see what you did there…”
i didn’t..
(it just looks like one of his standard evasions…)
do tell..!
phil(whoar.co.nz0
May 13th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
“making it up as he goes along”
Shit sonic’s on to me… Sir Peter Sharples at least.
May 13th, 2010 at 11:40 pm
Why did the ginga cross the road?
To get out of the sun
May 14th, 2010 at 1:36 am
Definetly in poor taste however its likely a stretch to equate it with the r word
May 14th, 2010 at 2:41 am
Hey guys give the Maoris more slack and power!
I mean, don’t we all want our toddlers beaten up for wearing red?
They are a wonderful race of people.
Oh yes they are.
Deep down on we know it!
Shame on that four year old for wearing red!
He was just asking for it!
Give them the country, but remember don’t wear certain colours.
What a lovely race the Maori are!
May 14th, 2010 at 2:49 am
And while we we are at it why not ban that disgusting killing dance they call the Haka at sports events?
Is that the image we want for the modern peaceful green New Zealand.
A bunch of threatening cannibals sticking their tongue’s out?
Or a bunch of white people who don’t even respect their culture pretending to be a bunch of Maori warriors?
Does anyone actually like their culture, their music, their values (or lack of them) apart from the Maoris?
May 14th, 2010 at 6:35 am
What kind of sick fuck hears John Key’s statement and thinks of cannabilism? Bit of historical guilt there that needs some Treaty settlement?
Because to be honest, when I heard it my first thought was: “Two opposite parties. Having somebody for lunch is a typical rake over the coals type of phrase. Where the fuck are they coming from?”
And honestly Tuhoe? Grow a pair and harden the fuck up.
May 14th, 2010 at 6:54 am
Professor Margaret Mutu:
5.
Māori Role in Aotearoa/New Zealand
Defined by tikanga (our laws)
derive from a world view that we inherited from our ancestors
rooted as much in the spiritual aspects of this world as the physical.
based on underlying values which include
Mana – authority, power, control, ownership, status, influence, dignity, respect all derived from the gods
Tapu – sacredness, spiritual power or protective force
Whanaungatanga – kinship, relationships through genealogical bonds
Kaitiakitanga – inherited responsibilities to take care of all our natural resources including our lands, waters, seas and other taonga
Rangatiratanga – chieftainship including sovereignty, rights of self-determination, self government, authority and power to make decisions and own and control resources.
6. Our tikanga determines that :
We are tangata whenua – we are the hosts for all who visit this country (and hence need to determine immigration policy)
We have a duty of manaaki manuhiri – we are obliged to look after our guests and ensure they are well-treated and respected.
And if they decide to stay then they need a good understanding of our tikanga so that we can all live here in harmony.
We also need a good understanding of our guest’s tikanga so that we know how to look after them properly.
Pākehā settlement and introduced legal system has not and can not change these fundamental values and principles but it has made it very difficult for us to carry out our responsibilities.
May 14th, 2010 at 7:07 am
What kind of sick fuck hears John Key’s statement and thinks of cannabilism?
Key said: ‘As I said, the good news was that I was having dinner with Ngati Porou as opposed to their neighbouring iwi, which is Tuhoe, in which case I would have been the dinner.’
If this isn’t a cannibalism joke then what does it mean?
May 14th, 2010 at 7:13 am
What’s up with all the macrons, Lefties? Respect must be shown to Maori with extra typing effort? Yawn…
May 14th, 2010 at 7:18 am
http://www.goingbananas.org.nz/…/Going_Bananas_August_07_Maori_Roots_Multicultural_NZ.ppt –
Paul Moon says he’ll fight ‘book-burners’.
This year marks the 75th anniversary of the Nazis’ book-burning, a crude pogrom against any knowledge or ideas that the German Government considered ideologically unacceptable in 1933.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/maori/news/article.cfm?c_id=252&objectid=10529547
May 14th, 2010 at 8:30 am
Ah, hj, a Nazi reference.
Okay, here’s another one. Say, in a year or so, Britain and Germany end up in a bitter dispute over something to do with Europe. And David Cameron makes a “joking” reference, clearly in relation to the dispute, to concentration camps.
Would that be okay by the standards of those here who seem comfortable with Key’s “joke”?
May 14th, 2010 at 8:37 am
And honestly Tuhoe? Grow a pair and harden the fuck up.
Yet it’s the old ladies of Kiwiblog who are really having kittens over this. Heh.
.
May 14th, 2010 at 8:40 am
Its ok to call people white mother fuckers or feral inbreds when they are not and are not descended from such, but it is a cricifiction offence to use a common expression of “being had for dinner” because the people referred to are descended from comparatively recent cannibals.
Ok all good, just checking.
Now someone send those brown mofo people eaters some plans and lumber so they can build a bridge and get the hell over it.
Bullshit threashold has been breeched
May 14th, 2010 at 8:51 am
“Its ok to call people white mother fuckers or feral inbreds ”
Well you are your chums spent weeks foaming at the mouth over that one, if you had said it was ok then you might have a point, but you foamed at the mouth.
Perhaps we should get Murray some plans and lumber so he can build a bridge and get over it. Mind you with his track record on creating wooden structures it would probably fall down.
May 14th, 2010 at 8:51 am
Ben@ 7:13 am,
“What’s up with all the macrons, Lefties? Respect must be shown to Maori with extra typing effort? Yawn…”
Yeah, how ridiculous showing respect to another group. What were you thinking… !
May 14th, 2010 at 8:52 am
John key better watch out the Maori are head hunting him.
May 14th, 2010 at 8:55 am
No I agree, Key should be more sensitive… after all, we can’t have people like Toad and Sonic breaking down whenever they get offended. Lets re-educate everybody to fall into line so that nobody ever gets offended ever again.
Or you could just fuck off the both of you and grow a backbone.
May 14th, 2010 at 8:57 am
Murray, where do you live?
I’ve never found it acceptable to call someone a white motherfucker or a feral inbred and I’m white…
Robert Black you’re a racist, and I fear you’re one of many… i.e. one of the big reasons NZ still struggles with racial problems.
May 14th, 2010 at 9:03 am
and all the racists…came out to play…
phil(whoar.co.nz)
May 14th, 2010 at 9:05 am
re: RKBee (551) Says:
May 13th, 2010 at 10:46 pm
Jezz – stop frightening me. Ive just had to take some medication to make me feel better..
Sharples for GG!!. I thought the office of the GG required a bit of decorum. He’d be inviting the whole of his tribe around for a hangi, and then Hone would turn up and then the shit would hit the fan as Hone explained his version of the world to anyone who wanted to listen.
What a mess that would be.
May 14th, 2010 at 9:05 am
Toad, I have used john Key’s phrase without referring to cannibalism as John key did. As it turned out the news and yourself use it as a play on words hence a tool against John Key which is why John Key shouldn’t have apologized. I don’t think there is a phrase for concentration camps unless you want to directly insult the jews or Germans. Can you think of one? You have to go out of your way, in conversation, to play off of the concentration camps but it wouldn’t happen. I have one… If Germany and Britain make a peace settlement, then Germany should bake Britain a “kike”. I doubt very much that would slip into conversation unless intentionally insulting the jews and Germans. John Key’s sentence was a saying we all use throughout the world. Get over it and stop bending the truth.
May 14th, 2010 at 9:07 am
I’m sure if Helen Clark found herself in a similar circumstance – she would not have apologised. She was always quite assertive towards native affairs.
This has been taken far out of context here, if the Maori accepted a coalition partnership with National they should have recognised that there was no room for excessive POLITICAL CORRECTNESS on the ship.
I have attended a number of Maori initiatives where jokes are cracked across the spectrum – most notably towards ‘Pakeha’.
Should I have declared my outrage? Absolutely not, this was pure-hearted ‘humour’ after all.
May 14th, 2010 at 9:10 am
it’s quite astonishing…the high degree of gross racism allowed on this site..
..that farrar never demurrs at…(never a demerit point for white racist..?..eh farrar..?)
..what does that say about you..?..farrar..?
an ‘enabler’ of this vileness..at the very least..eh?
when are you gong to clean up this sewer farrar..?
and make people post comments only using their real names…?
eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
May 14th, 2010 at 9:17 am
Clearly name fagging will allow people to decide if a comment is worthy or not, shit i would do the opposite and get rid of names.
May 14th, 2010 at 9:20 am
I’m sure if Helen Clark found herself in a similar circumstance – she would not have apologised. She was always quite assertive towards native affairs.
And look at the mess she left for Key to clean up. Which he appeared to be doing rather well at until this week’s dumping on Tuhoe re. the Urewera, followed by seriously pissing off Tariana, and then this gormless gaffe.
Yibble about political correctness all you want, the colonial fantasy world you poor old dears live in never existed.
May 14th, 2010 at 9:21 am
Oh Clint, your whole silly blog is just one long stream of you getting offended, a moaning and a groaning, You even manage to get terribly, terribly upset about a 14 year old voting in an election.
Typical of you guys professionally angry and offended all the time, but if anyone else tries to steal your victimhood guess what, you get offended!
One day perhaps Clint may be more than a one trick pony, but I’m not holding my breath (which will probably offend Clint no end)
May 14th, 2010 at 9:23 am
Yeah because Helen said sorry for calling people haters and wreckers, feral inbreds, cancerous and corrosive… oh no wait she didn’t.
The left certainly got their riocks off throwing some actual verdal abuse about under Dear Leader didn’t they.
May 14th, 2010 at 9:23 am
and of course..farrar..by allowing this forum for these pieces of shit to spew their racist vileness..
(to your silent approval..)
..you are nothing but an agent of racial division in this country..
..aren’t you..?
trying to foment racial-hatred…
..and to reopen wounds others are trying to heal…
..how d’ya sleep…?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
May 14th, 2010 at 9:24 am
Crap we get rid of one socialist jock fuckwit and another one pops up.
May 14th, 2010 at 9:25 am
Well he lets the drug fucked covicted armed offeners spew their vile socialist shit so maybe you should jsut say thanks you and fuck up.
May 14th, 2010 at 9:27 am
what this?? armed robber ?? do tell more…
May 14th, 2010 at 9:33 am
I see Sonic’s old Scottish Socialist Party got about 3,000 votes in the UK election from a pool of about 30,000.000.00.
Nuff said.
May 14th, 2010 at 9:47 am
John Key’s my hero for that dinner comment. F**king LMFAO.
If the cannibals’ descendants want to deny/not talk about their own past, why T.F. should the country apologise for history, give them National Parks etc?
May 14th, 2010 at 9:51 am
Is there a prize for most spelling mistakes today, if so Murray is well ahead.
“got their riocks off throwing some actual verdal abuse” “covicted armed offeners ”
English is your first language isn’t it Murray?
May 14th, 2010 at 9:52 am
I’m glad to be here at dinner with Maori, if this was Pakeha chances are they would steal the tables and claim they always owned them!
May 14th, 2010 at 9:57 am
“I see Sonic’s old Scottish Socialist Party got about 3,000 votes in the UK election from a pool of about 30,000.000.00.’
See what happens when I’m not around to give advice, you should remember that young Gooner.
May 14th, 2010 at 10:02 am
1. WIth JK’s sense of humour it is a wonder it has been this long before a media beat up.
2. Isn’t it just a bit racist to assume a dinner joke relating to iwi is about cannibalism?
3. And even if it was why is it that the Crown has to negotiate to settle past wrongs (which I agree with) but it is quite rude to point out that just maybe pre-European Maori did not live in nirvana?
May 14th, 2010 at 10:30 am
@GPT1 10:02 am
I don’t think anyone has any problems with pointing out that cannibalism existed in pre-European New Zealand. It is a historical fact.
But it has now come to light that the PM first told the “joke” at the dinner with Ngāti Porou. And that it went down well there.
Which is hardly surprising, given the historical rivalry between Ngāti Porou and Tūhoe, and that the Crown recruited many of the mercenaries it used to invade Tūhoe from Ngāti Porou.
I’m starting to think he probably didn’t mean to offend in telling the “joke” – just that he is pig ignorant of that history.
Which makes it all the worse, give that it appears it was Key who unilaterally stomped on the settlement that had already been given the nod by Treaty Negotiations Minister Chris Finlayson, who would no doubt have been acquainted with the history of the grievance.
May 14th, 2010 at 10:36 am
Danyl If this isn’t a cannibalism joke then what does it mean?
You’ve heard of expressions like “A dogs dinner”, “I’m having you for dinner/lunch/breakfast” to indicate victory over an opponent? Let’s think about what is more logical.
John Key making a very offensive and racist comment about cannibalism.
John Key making a reference to the tension between the two groups.
You know, it’s only blinded lefties that would cling to cannibalism.
May 14th, 2010 at 10:37 am
I’m sorry I’ve never heard the phrase ““I’m having you for dinner/lunch/breakfast” to indicate victory over an opponent?”
Do you have an example of it being used?
(google doesn’t http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&ei=JX_sS6z_M-aIOKH97Z4I&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CBMQBSgA&q=I'm+having+you+for+dinner&spell=1)
May 14th, 2010 at 10:39 am
http://esl-bits.net/idioms/id292.htm
How about that? Learn2English.
May 14th, 2010 at 10:45 am
Remember that Key is Minister of Tourism, as well as PM.
A stunningly cunning plan by Key. It’s now all over the international media. Should have the tourists flocking here in their millions to see our quaint cannibal tribes – you know, the ones who tried to cook and eat the Prime Minister.
May 14th, 2010 at 10:58 am
Toad
You really must be finding it hard to summon up so much faux outrage.
I wish you had managed to be so “offended” by the white mofo comment of John Harawira.
May 14th, 2010 at 11:32 am
Oh look! More examples …
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/breakfast
So tell me. Is cannibalism REALLY what he meant? Or is this just another lame socialist character assasination ploy?
May 14th, 2010 at 11:40 am
@ Robert Black: “Does anyone actually like their culture, their music, their values (or lack of them) apart from the Maoris?”
It would appear every white NZer who goes on their OE does. Otherwise why would they keep doing the haka whenever they get drunk together? Or maybe it’s just that they have no appreciable culture of their own…
May 14th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
The joke left a bad taste in the mouth of Tuhoe. It was a bone of contention and did not go down well.
Even if he did intend to make a light-hearted reference to cannibalism, it’s not okay to reference that history but it’s just dandy to keep bringing up and dragging out the fact that a long time ago colonists did some bad shit?
May 14th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
^^^
And quite right. We want to talk about compensation for the past, but keep quiet about Long Pork, mmmkay?
May 14th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Yet another lightweight comment from a guy who’s seeming increasingly lightweight himself.
May 14th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
The rest of the world seems to think it was pretty funny – witness how widely the “NZ leader roasted…” headline has travelled:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/05/13/2898748.htm
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/05/new_zealand_leader_sorry_for_c.html
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/world/826091-new-zealand-prime-minister-is-roasted-over-cannibal-joke
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/breaking-news/new-zealand-prime-minister-john-key-roasted-over-cannibalism-joke/story-e6frg12u-1225866104210
The French even added “in hot water”…
http://www.france24.com/en/20100513-new-zealand-pm-roasted-over-cannibalism-joke
The only sensible analysis seems to be in Vanity Fair of all places…
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2010/05/an-incomplete-history-of-if-anyone-was-offended-apologies.html
May 15th, 2010 at 2:04 am
David. I don’t really like Ginga jokes, seeing as I have red hair. My sense of humour doesn’t extend to teasing of things I have no control over.
As a friend it’d be nice if you were a tiny bit more accepting of my hair colour.
[DPF: I always think it is better to tease friends over things they have no control over, rather than things they do have control over. Think about it!
And I am totally accepting of your hair colour. I don't actually have a problem with gingas. I just like winding people up]
May 15th, 2010 at 8:50 am
Oh Sonic! Of course you’d be terribly impressed with a 14 year old socialist who broke the law and voted against the Tories. I’m not at all surprised.
You’ll have to try hard to offend me Sonic – but I know you’re a bit of a sook.
May 15th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
He can always explain himself on Letterman I guess.