Agreement reached on Foreshore & Seabed
June 14th, 2010 at 4:50 pm by David FarrarIt was looking wobbly, but the howls of victory from Labour were premature. John Key has just announced an agreement in principle with Iwi leaders and the Maori Party. Key details are:
- The 2004 Act will be repealed and replaced with new legislation
- The foreshore and seabed area currently vested in Crown ownership will be replaced by a public space which is incapable of being owned in a fee simple sense (ie can never be sold)
- Existing Maori and Pakeha private titles would continue unaffected
- Customary title and customary rights will be recognised through access to justice in a new High Court process or through direct negotiations with the Crown
- The test for customary rights and for customary title under a replacement regime will be the same as in the consultation document, and reflects the position the Govt thinks the Courts would have come to if the previous government had not imposed the Foreshore and Seabed Act 2004
A bill will be introduced in August, which will be open to public submissions.
The devil may be in the detail, but on what we know so far I have to say I think it is a considerable improvement on the status quo:
- Property rights of existing title holders are protected
- Iwi and hapu have their right to go to court restored
- The public foreshore will remain with a right of access to all, and can never be sold into private hands
- The test for customary rights and title will broadly reflect the test the courts would have probably applied
Just as there is no one universal view of women, or youth, there will be no universal view of Maori on thsi deal, but I suspect it will be welcomed by the majority.
And I think many non Maori will welcome a package that restores the right of a group of New Zealanders to test their claims in court.
Related posts:
- The Foreshore & Seabed proposals
- Foreshore & Seabed Act may be toast
- The Foreshore & Seabed
- Harawira on FSA
June 14th, 2010 at 5:05 pm
This law was just a return to the status quo after a fuck up by judges in 03 and should not have been axed. JK is spineless wanker. Crown ownership guaranteed the same access for all citizens, now we have one group able to gain rights over the rest of us. Fuck them.
http://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2010/05/david-round-national-plans-to-sacrifice.html
[DPF: So your position is that if someone wins in court, the Government should change the law and remove the right of that person to go to court? Would you be happy for that to happen to you?]
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 5:09 pm
Scoop reports Key saying “the agreement means the foreshore and seabed will remain a ‘public domain’, although that term could be changed.”
I can almost see Neville Key grinning and waving a piece of paper while claiming “Peace (with Maori) in our time”. Capitulation on National’s part is more likely.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
And I think many non Maori will welcome a package that restores the right of a group of New Zealanders to test their claims in court.
They already had this right, contrary to impressions to the contrary. Check out the following section of the FSA:
33 High Court may find that a group held territorial customary rights
Vote:The High Court may, on the application of a group, or on the application of a person authorised by the court to represent the group, make a finding that the group (or any members of that group) would, but for the vesting of the full legal and beneficial ownership of the public foreshore and seabed in the Crown by section 13(1), have held territorial customary rights to a particular area of the public foreshore and seabed at common law.
June 14th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
I would prefer the politicians not try to second guess the Courts re the test for customary title. Of course the Iwi would be pretty happy to take cases to the Court armed with the Un Dec. on Ind. rights and looking to favorable consideration by Judge Sian Elias. Looks like a bunfest for Legal Aid lawyers.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
How DARE these arrogant fucking cunts do this?
What right does this government have to willy-nilly divide up our country between them and open the very basic fabric of our land up to future claims, counter-claims and legal action until the end of time?
This is what, in other countries, has led to civil war. We are talking fundamentals here. There is absolutely NO PRECEDENT for a government changing the core ownership of its country and this must be a first in the civilised world.
John Key, you have betrayed the whole bloody nation here and this will come back to bite you on the arse big time. The people of New Zealand will not just stand back and take this, you treasonous fucking prick.
[DPF: This is restoring property rights, not taking them away]
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
This is a great day for New Zealand. Labour’s evil Foreshore & Seabed Act will go. The integrity of the courts will be restored.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
Dave – Why is the government arrogant about this? With respect, your comment suggests you may be arrogant about the effect of the Ngati Apa decision and how that was changed by the FSA.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
I think it is great to see two Political parties working constructively together to achieve agreement. Well done to all involved. Especially when you consider that the Maori Party do go back to consult with their people first. This has to be a major achievement.
Vote:I am however still waiting for John Key to hear the people’s voice in regards the ETS and the anti smacking legislation. Let’s hope that Key picks up a few other good tips from the Maori Party. Whom to be honest continue to generally impress me. They are not the one sided pressure group that I had initially expected
June 14th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
bruv – i cant be assed getting hy head around this whole thing.
whats your take? good or bad?
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
Jesus George on an bicycle, Dave Mann. Are your really really that stupid?
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
Idoubt if anyone really realises how difficult this deal would have been to broker unless you have been involved in treaty negotiations – congrats – on a grand scale are in order for all involved
Vote:http://roarprawn.blogspot.com/2010/06/great-day.html
June 14th, 2010 at 5:47 pm
I wonder whether this settlement will allow RMA blackmail as exists already in many places in NZ. I suspect that anything involving the foreshore from now on will require payments for iwi consultation etc. Privatisation via statutory “rental” payments to iwi.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
Well I guess the answer is to have a change of Judges. Lets retire the left lot and install Redbaiter et al with the right attitudes toward creeping totalitarianism.
Problem though is “does the law education system accept and train any red blooded right wing people anymore?
Vote:If so lets get them on the front foot.
June 14th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
Dave Mann, just slightly hysterical.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 6:15 pm
As DPF says, the devil is in the detail. But on the face of it, an excellent decision by National. And extra points for allowing a proper consultation process to now be undertaken.
I’m wholeheartedly in agreement with you in your critique of EverlastingFire, DPF. But it wouldn’t have been out of character for the NACTs to do exactly that. After all, the provocation defence has been summarily withdrawn just because it was used in court – even though it failed – by this Government, which has also muttered darkly about the abolition of double jeopardy and has set about eroding judicial power and discretion with Acts such as “3 strikes”.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 6:21 pm
[DPF: So your position is that if someone wins in court, the Government should change the law and remove the right of that person to go to court? Would you be happy for that to happen to you?]
I don’t think unelected judges should embark upon political adventures of their own and overthrow long established laws, especially something as sensitive as the F&S. The public and parliament should be the ones to decide. The 1963 law was working perfectly fine for 40 years. We were all treated equally. They fucked up on this one.
Before 03 we were all enjoying equal rights under crown ownership. The 04 legislation was a return to that. This biggest problem is if this “public domain” is given a Maori name which in the future is interpreted to be something entirely different in the future. We’ve all seen how the treaty has turned out with its fake principals.
Does JK even have values? Does he stand for anything other wanting to remain in power? Because he is pandering to a 2% separatist party as if they were his masters, and I’m getting sick of it. ACT doesn’t receive nearly as much attention as these parasites.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
As Viking says, the personal views of the Judges will prevail and not necessarily what has extant in law. Over future generations this pandering to ‘Maori’ (whoever they maybe), will cost the taxpayer hundreds of millions of dollars and become just another money tree for the legal profession. They must be wringing their hands with glee. God help us all.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
This represents a very good deal for Maori and NZ. If a few right wing extremists are screaming as well as a few hard line Maori then JK has it about right. The National Party has never been about extremes. It has always charted a middle course. A National Government operating in this way represents about where NZers like their Governments to be.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
Does this mean that Maori will now be able to make Treaty claims on the foreshore and seabed the same as any other land? If so, that sucks.
The giveaway that something is amiss is that Maori aren’t complaining about this deal; in other words, they’re on to a winner somehow.
If it was really going to all end up as public domain, that would be awesome, but somehow I don’t see it.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 6:31 pm
The devil is in the detail, Rex, and I am not going to comment substantively until I know the detail.
But isn’t it fun seeing the economic right and the racist right at each others’ throats here?
And good to see that Labour’s racist FSA will be repealed – even if the ultimate outcome may not be that much better for tangata whenua, it is at least a step in the right direction.
@mickysavage 5:10 pm: Why can’t you admit Labour got this completely wrong? Section 33 of the FSA provides for nothing more than an empty declaration as to customary rights, and no real property rights at all. Not that I’m yet convinced the National Party/Maori Party deal will do much more.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
I, for one, don’t see that anything was wrong with the Labour act. If it was in Govt hands and no one else could own it, and everyone was free to use it recreationally, I don’t see what was wrong with it personally.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
Makes no difference to me if I choose to go fishing and a murri tells me to fuck off I will tell him to fuck off.
If I choose to go ping a red and a murri tells me to fuck off I will tell him to fuck off.
If we don’t actually sort it out there and then and concede either victory or defeat to one or the other we will end up either dead or in court.
Whats really changed other than some have got the power and some have got the posing rights?
(I’ll still the Murri to fuck off.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
Excellent news! Labour essentially nationalised the foreshore and seabed in 2004, appropriating potentially-private property with no compensation and taking away people’s right to appeal to the courts. That’s the sort of thing that Chavez gets up to. I’m glad that National, Maori, and ACT have reversed this and reinstated property rights. Even better, they’ve managed the whole process by negotiation rather than edict as Labour did.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
@Fletch 6:38 pm
What was wrong is that the right to have the Court determine who actually owned it was removed. For any foreshore and seabed that the Court may have determined customary Maori title applied to, the FSA amounted to a confiscation.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
Peace in our Time
Vote:
June 14th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
at the core of all this is,
Do you trust our judiciary not to make activist decisions?
Do you trust John key to protect all New Zealanders and not to do deals to have a 2nd term?
Do you think we should all own the F&S equally as a National community regardless of race and ethnicity or when our forebears got here?
No.
Vote:No.
Yes.
June 14th, 2010 at 7:03 pm
The devil is indeed in the detail.
What DPF has not said is that Maori have the right to test their claim in court AND seek compensation from the crown.
In other words they cannot lose, if as so many predict the courts toss out their claim they will then come back to the tax payer seeking more of our fucking money.
This settlement is bullshit, there is very little that Klark and Labour did that I agree with but the foreshore and seabed legislation was good policy.
Nothing good will come of this policy.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
Rex, dont get me started on provocation being abolished!
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
It is such a delight to see the poor dumb bastards from the uber right, loony left and buffo bro sectors all wondering what the hell just hit them.
They’ve all been outflanked and out foxed by the smiling assassin.
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 7:20 pm
That should be “Shit oh dear, shit oh dear, shit oh dear. Adolf.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 7:31 pm
Adolf
For a smart guy you must really get tired of putting your brain in a jar and cheering on command.
How can you let your naked hatred of Labour colour your vision so badly?, Neville Key is a gutless wimp, if the policies his government are or have introduced were being implemented by Labour you would be screaming blue (or red) murder.
You are no different from Micky, Iprent or any of the other pinkos from the standard really.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 7:38 pm
bb and you are no different from the fucktard unionists who shout for more wages from less productivity. Then they ask you to honk in support.
I hear you honking.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
Adolf
I will remind you of that next time you and your fellow farmers demand hand outs from the tax payer when there is a flood or drought.
The rest of us live in the real world, you should try it some time.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 7:51 pm
tvb (950) Says:
June 14th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
The National Party has never been about extremes. It has always charted a middle course.
Mostly by appeasement. No one could accuse the National Party of fulfilling its own mission statement nor of forward thinking policy nor of doing what’s right and best for all NZer’s.
Most times in recent history it has coasted along on the shirt tails of others efforts.
If you don’t think so, name us one policy of freedom and individual responsibility that they have enacted that is new, innovative and has made a difference to the life and well being of all NZer’s. ( the last National MP to do that was Bill Birch, much as I dislike him. Unlocked the potential of the working person in NZ. )
I look forward to you finding another one for us.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 8:01 pm
Thought I read / saw something on the news that said customary title for Maori will be unable to be on sold?
Vote:Why is this? (if I got it right)
Why do Maori have a title to something that is less, or not the same as any other person?
June 14th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
Well they sure got title to really stupid names like. Sonny, Girly, Anzac, Chevy, Hemi, Boy, Queenie, and 500 others even more stupid than that.
That’s got to be some of the dumbest titles I ever heard of!
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
EverlastingFire:
Your second sentence points out the flaw in your first. The time when Parliament was a House of Representatives is long gone, EverlastingFire (unless you’ve worked out a way to charge your porn to the taxpayer, in which case I’m sure we’d all like to know
)
Parliament can’t be trusted to make these decisions on our behalf. This legislation, smacking, the EFA… they’ll do what they want. And often in a rush and without the time to make proper submissions. And with no avenue of appeal (yea yeah, some people will say “a vote in 3 years time”… for another lot who are almost as bad?! National seem to have done the right thing here, but see my comments above re provocation etc).
Given that, I’d rather take my chances on most issues with unelected judges than with venal politicians suffering a surfeit of hubris.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 8:20 pm
Look this just winds it back to what it was. DPF happens to be right in both his thread comments: it does legally restore those property rights, if any, that were there before Hulun panicked and over-reacted and then couldn’t resist being her usual vindictive self so humiliated Turia who formed the MP which is why she lost the last election. Oh dear.
It’s a point of justice and quite frankly, Key was hard enough to risk the MP walking with the terms of this deal so how much more do you think he could have done? And if anyone doesn’t think that Judges haven’t been overturning long established laws for centuries, then what, precisely, do you think Judges do?
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 8:34 pm
“…before Hulun panicked and over-reacted and then couldn’t resist being her usual vindictive self so humiliated Turia who formed the MP which is why she lost the last election. Oh dear….”
i agree with you on that..
clark has not yet received any of the approbrium she is so due….
..we have not yet seen the analysis..that proves the loss was entirely down to her…..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 8:35 pm
and we never will phil. Her minions will take care of that…
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 8:39 pm
Already have:
http://liberation.typepad.com/liberation/2009/07/helen-clark-biography-out-soon.html
Note the portrait……..retch…chunder…spew…fuck what was that I swallowed….shit ..never again!!
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
Existing Maori and Pakeha private titles would continue unaffected.
considering that there are around 12,000 Pakeha foreshore titles already, and Maori mainly only have interest.
I am sure Maori would have prefered to have their interest in the Foreshore and Seabed returned to Maori ownership first.
For it to be fair to all Maori the property rights of existing title holders would have to be taking away also.
Maori interest in the land is that it was stolen from Maori in the first place and they want it put back in Maori ownership..(private title) Maori can now only have customary title and customary rights that will have to be recognised through access to justice system of a new High Court process or through direct negotiations with the Crown… but they can never own it.
I think this will be a short-term agreement as far as Maori are concerned or there will need to be some major tweeting.
Vote:Like Maori stolen land proven in the courts can be returned to Maori ownership. (private title) and this will be the sticking point for all NZ future govt’s untill that Maori grievance is changed… and it want for a 100 years.. while there’s still more Pakeha voters the Maori… and then it will be to late… the Chinese will own it along with the rest of the country.
June 14th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
“Maori interest in the land is that it was stolen from Maori in the first place”.
Show us the original title deeds when the murri bought it off the previous owner and you can have it back.
Otherwise get with reality and realize that you can’t relive the past. If you want another real fight about it then get it started.
Put up or shut up.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
I don’t agree, RK.
We easily could have had a very nasty situation on our hands for some years if we were living in a number of different countries I could name, where what happened here, happened there, and we did it.
But we haven’t had it here, at all, in any way, apart from some people running round the Urerewas, as Mr Iti is wont to do, and nothing’s ever happened. And bear in mind Maori are fearsome warriors. Just ask the Germans. Yet, nothing’s happened.
The way this process has occurred actually reflects well on everyone in the country for we have all played parts in this dawning. I think it’s great and I don’t see, at this point, anything that won’t let the very same process continue, as is, for the foreseeable future.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 8:55 pm
“And bear in mind Maori are fearsome warriors. Just ask the Germans. ”
Stop taking the piss!
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 8:59 pm
Seriously, the Germans had a real problem with the Maori Battalion, and they had very good reason, as I’ve heard from various people over the years. And I could well believe it. Maori are a natural warrior race. We’re just bloody lucky they also have other qualities of intelligence, peace and generosity as well.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
This has been a very difficult issue. I think John Key has done very well to get agreement with Maori even if there are still details to be worked out. The smile on Peta Sharples face was something to see. It must be galling to Phil Goff to see National achieve unanimity with Maori when Labour couldn’t.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 9:05 pm
Let’s all start talking about this a lot over the next few weeks at RedAlert and The Stranded just to really piss the lefties off just when they’re feeling a bit down.
Wouldn’t that be naughty.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 9:09 pm
Sorry reid I’d forgotten that the Murri Battalion had won the war.
(A battalion is a military unit of around 300-1300 soldiers)
I guess the Yanks and the Russkis and the Poms and all the rest of the millions that died never realized it either.
Ungrateful bastards.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
RK for your information:
Vote:In 2003 there were 33,712 parcels of land adjoining the foreshore.
Of those 37.64 percent were Crown owned, 31.42 percent were owned by territorial authorities, 20.05 percent general, 10.35 percent Maori and 0.54 percent unresolved. There are 12499 separate titles ( some of which are owned by Maori.). The total land involved stretches over 30% of the coatline.
June 14th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
The 90 day law is a big, big deal for me as an employer. It takes a huge weight of my shoulders when deciding to allow a stranger to become part of my business.
It is hard for me to think of anything they could realistically do that would make a bigger difference aside from scrapping the minimum wage and holidays acts which won’t happen.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 9:45 pm
reid (4179) Says:
Seriously, the Germans had a real problem with the Maori Battalion, etc
—-
Vote:what about Capt. Kelly and the Sophia massacre 1817 in Otago Harbour.
http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-McNMuri-t1-body-d1-d16-d6.html
The Chinese have a reputation too as when one warlord faced off another and when the front row of his warriors slit there own throats the opponents forces fled.
June 14th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
so..john old-man…
your racial slurring extends to the maori battalion..eh..?
..you really are a piece of shit on the sole of humanity..aren’t you…?
..and fat and florid with it..eh..?
big man-tits…?
(oops..!..that’s right..!..i’m not telling cnuts they are cnuts any more..eh..?..)
..ah well…!
a wee lapse…
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
That’s a fairly high-risk tactic, isn’t it. And thanks, seriously, for those leads.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 10:14 pm
Roger Kerr has a thought provoking piece here with regard to the hypothesis behind the Wisdom of Crowds. It’s relevant because while elites make noises about fundamental changes of biblical proportions an academic tells us that “interest in the treaty is at an all time low” (the crowd’s judgement).
“the more original public policy implications of Surowiecki’s thesis are for our democratic political system. Representative democracy, through the universal and secret ballot, is, on the analysis offered in the book, a way of eliciting the wisdom of crowds in making collective decisions. But it is not the only way. Another, which Surowiecki does not explore, is to make more use of direct democracy, that is, referenda.
One of the arguments for representative or indirect democracy, as I mentioned earlier, is that our elected representatives are in a position to become informed about issues and that the general public’s role should therefore be confined to judging a government’s overall performance. However, this argument is open to Surowiecki’s objection that groups of experts are liable to become impervious to relevant information that non-experts can supply. Governments are, of course, far from insulated from public opinion. But one of the causes of the malaise that infects Western democracy is the rise of politics as a profession, as a result of which politicians as a whole, whatever party they belong to, seem to have more in common with one another than with their electorates, and, along with their advisers and top public servants, can with some justice be said to constitute a ‘political class’ that is vulnerable to groupthink. That is to say, representative assemblies are becoming less truly representative as they lose diversity. Referenda are a way of counteracting that tendency and getting more diversity and hence more relevant information into the political system. They also enhance decentralisation by allowing members of the public to express views on particular issues, which they cannot easily do in general elections when they typically vote for a political party or coalition.
On the other hand: Catherine Delahunty is ” very excited that we are moving into a more sophisticated era under Te Tiriti o Waitangi, and we are moving beyond the limited concept of conservative Pākehā that one man, one vote is the only manifestation of democracy possible in Aotearoa.’
Vote:http://www.greens.org.nz/speeches/more-sophisticated-era-under-te-tiriti-o-waitangi
June 14th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
Johnboy@8:47 pm
You are not considing the spirit of the law.. when you say.. show me the deeds.
Thanks Trout.. for the info.. my info was from a local Maori activest
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
RK notes:
That’s worth several dozen “WTF?!”s. Still, we’ve certainly moved to the concept that “one woman, half a brain” is a fit and proper representative of the people of Aotearoa.
Vote:June 14th, 2010 at 10:45 pm
hj I remember watching a very interesting movie in the 70′s about that very idea. It ended up with the people becoming so sick of the minutiae they gave away their vote.
I think it would be good in theory, but there are too many unclear thinkers in this nation to make it successful.
Therefore you’d have to limit decision-making only to certain people.
Can I be one of those? I’d be really good.
Vote:June 15th, 2010 at 8:01 am
On the subject of “maori”. This is a european word is it not?
The european pronounciation is ‘marree’. Maoris say ‘moldi’. I think the european pronounciation is correct.
Vote:June 15th, 2010 at 9:13 am
Yeah, I am arrogant, stupid and hysterical – because I think that the Crown rightfully owns the foreshore and seabed of New Zealand! Hahahahah… very funny!!
The Crown is not that bunch of inbred wasters with silly voices and big ears over the other side of the world. In this context it is a constitutional construct which represents THE WHOLE PEOPLE OF NEW ZEALAND and I still maintain that John Key is engaging in a treasonous act by stealing it from the Crown (read: people) and radically opening it up to de facto Maori ownership.
You people just don’t understand what is going on here. And if anybody thinks that this treaty bullshit has gone too far already with the excessive claims and wholesale transfers of money and assets, then I have a message for you… you ain’t seen ANYTHING yet.
Vote:June 15th, 2010 at 9:33 am
I think I am startig to feel and think like a “moldi”! Maybe that is what they want.
Vote:June 15th, 2010 at 11:59 am
I so glad to see so many arrogant,ignorant tau rekareka bastard on this website.It easy to see why all you tau iwi forgeiners think you have a claim to our land ,you are not to blame, I believe you are the product of your trecherous nobody ancestor,they have always believed they owned or the right to any land they have ever set foot on.you believe that by quoting your fancy law that you entitled to something,when that is not the case at all,you should state your case on why you should even have the luxury of living on our lands.in my case.my ancestor Kupe was one of the first maori to reach the shores of AOTEAROA in the year 910ad .he navagated the pacific ocean using cellestial navigation and the gulf steam,the jet stream and also bird,fish and whaling migration patterns when the unversities in ENGLAND where teaching that the world was SQUARE.They thought they new something about warfare until we show them in Wairau,Ruapekapeka and various other War Pa around the motu,hahahahahah how foolish were they, and yet to this day the still believe the rest of us are dumb.i have stated my reason on my claim as TANGATA WHENUA.wheres yours?To end my brief statement i call all other TANGATA WHENUA to stand up and fight all these nobody tau iwi,with no whakapapa or clue on where there from,to keep fighting the system like we alway have.TINORANGATIRATANGA we will beat them, anybody who does not agree with this can fuck off back to the counrty and culture you came from,if not we can dig a hole for you all.FREE OF CHARGE.and to you JOHNBOY its MAORI you ignorant HONKY CRACKER TRAILER TRASH BASTARD.
Vote:June 15th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
Iharaira Arapeta sounds like you missed the boat back to the Cook islands.
Vote:Its about time you and all the other overstayers left and took your racist doublespeak with you.
June 15th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Iharaira Arapeta sounds related to Kupe – fishy.
Vote:June 15th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Nice use of the Roman Alphabet.
Vote:June 15th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
@ Iharaira Arapeta
You can thank my ancestors for dragging your ancestors kicking and screaming out of the stone age. You’re welcome in advance.
Vote: