Our first Gerryorder

September 17th, 2010 at 1:12 pm by David Farrar

has made his first “gerryorder” as our Supreme Overlord. Contrary to rumours he has not jailed John Key and given himself the keys to the Treasury.

His gerryorder#1 extends Civil Defence powers until 29 November 2010. Specifically it maintains (despite the state of emergency being over) their ability to:

  • evacuate, and to exclude persons or vehicles from, premises and places (including public places)
  • enter on, and if necessary break into, premises and places
  • make available prohibitions or restrictions on public access, with or without vehicles, to roads and public places
  • make available powers to remove (and if necessary for that purpose to use force or break into) aircraft, vessels, vehicles
  • make available powers to requisition property
  • make available powers to direct or request persons to stop certain activities or to take certain actions
  • make available powers to examine, mark, seize, sample, secure, disinfect, or destroy any property, animal, or any other thing

The Supreme Overlord denies that he will be ordering the compulsory disinfecting of Opposition MPs in Canterbury.

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37 Responses to “Our first Gerryorder”

  1. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Interesting to see how DPF tries to inject humour into this.. while our best constitutional lawyers are still shaking their heads that the appalling precedent set by this legislation. I’m inclined not to laugh.

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  2. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    There are actually 5 of them DPF. I’m not inclined to laugh either kk.

    gerryorder#2

    gerryorder#3

    gerryorder#4

    gerryorder#5

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  3. Tane W (51 comments) says:

    David, you know you’re defending the indefensible when you use half-arsed humour to justify this Act.

    One of your previous posts tried to justify it by comparing it to Rome’s dictators. Therefore you know yourself that democracy is not killed outright with a blow to the head, but by a hundred little measures. Rome’s Republic took 100 odd years to become a dictatorship. This utterly unnecessary and stupidly powerful act is a step in that direction for us.

    Personally, I’m hoping National abuses this shamelessly, and make legislation like this so repugnant that the NZ public never stand for it again. I wonder if Hurunui water rights can be made part of the recovery package…..

    [DPF: Tane - your party voted for it. Go whine to them]

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  4. k.jones (210 comments) says:

    gerry is a woodwork teacher

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  5. bchapman (649 comments) says:

    Giving the LGAs the power to ignore the Local Government Act as they like. Is that what the ACT party libertarians had in mind when they voted for this?

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  6. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    At least he wasn’t a social studies teacher.

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  7. tvb (4,430 comments) says:

    The powers available in this Act are truly impressive. Muldoon would just love it. I suspect under the powers of this Act some really shoddy building work will be undertaken.

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  8. mjwilknz (605 comments) says:

    Good comment, gazzmaniac. I’m not sure how politicians are necessarily that far off, though!

    I too am very uncomfortable about the powers the Government as given itself. Moreover, I’m amazed that commentators such as DPF aren’t more up in arms about it! Can someone please remind me what happens when good people do nothing?

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  9. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    If it was Labour that had got that piece of legislation through, DPF would be up in arms. Much like the Standard.
    As it is, there are enough supporters of the right that are uncomfortable with this.

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  10. k.jones (210 comments) says:

    “At least he wasn’t a social studies teacher.’

    In his defense and before making the obvious transition into Overlord, gerry did make my brother this awesome pencilcase with a national “N” burnt in the top….

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  11. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    Ho ho ho, no disinfecting of Opposition MPs then, just “powers to requisition property” (aka steal from its citizens), “break into, premises and places” (aka invade their homes) and “powers to direct… persons to stop certain activities” (like protesting against the foregoing).

    That’s all right then.

    Will they be striking a new medal for defending the indefensible, or will you just be up for one of the usual ones? 8-|

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  12. Poliwatch (335 comments) says:

    I’m waiting for the gerryorder to gerrymander

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  13. NX (504 comments) says:

    If it was Labour that had got that piece of legislation through, DPF would be up in arms. Much like the Standard.

    The earthquake has created some pretty exceptional set of circumstances.

    Jim Anderton is probably my less favoured NZ politician and if Labour were still in power he would probably be the ChCh overlord. But given the earthquake, I could handle that. I don’t see why the left can’t make the same exception for Gerry Brownlee.

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  14. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    It’s not just people on the left that are concerned. And the left have allowed this to happen, they could have voted against it in parliament.

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  15. JayMal (28 comments) says:

    This is no laughing matter. I’m sure all those who ran off to fight in two world wars think its hilarious our government enacted legislation which undermined all the principles they died for.

    To be frank ACT have been a disappointment on this and their lack of response is probably going to cost them more on polling day than Garrett-Gate. The Green’s capitulated like foliage sprayed with Agent-Orange, which their members are now reminding them off. The Maori party were too busy working out where to put the new coastal developments they’re going to build. And, Phil Goff… well enough said, although how he can accuse Key of a flip-flop when he lacks any backbone himself is now going to be interesting.

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  16. Nigel (516 comments) says:

    I really hope when the dust settles National/Labour sit down & hash out a better solution for a crisis like this than this set of legislation.

    There has to be a better way, I’m seriously uncomfortable, admittedly there is alot of oversight, but giving people to much power has a bad habit of being exploited.

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  17. NX (504 comments) says:

    It’s not just people on the left that are concerned. And the left have allowed this to happen, they could have voted against it in parliament.

    Ok sure.. the left doesn’t like Gerry Brownlee. But are you seriously suggesting he’s going to use his new powers in light of the earthquake for personal or political gain?

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  18. bchapman (649 comments) says:

    “Ok sure.. the left doesn’t like Gerry Brownlee. But are you seriously suggesting he’s going to use his new powers in light of the earthquake for personal or political gain?”

    No, but it will make a really interesting social experiment. See how the Canterbury guinea pigs react to suspension of selected laws and extrapolate to the rest of NZ.

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  19. gravedodger (1,566 comments) says:

    @ k.jones 01 54 is that betterer or worserer than a maori activist, or a supporter of Pol Pot, or a political studies graduate, or a history teacher or any other school teacher. At least a woodwork teacher could possibly build his own coffin and if G B ceasar should f#@k up big time here he will be needing one.
    My only real comment around these powers is if they are needed to rebuild CHCH then maybe they are a considerable handbrake on our economic progress in the wider arena.

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  20. MyNameIsJack (2,415 comments) says:

    This is an absolute disgrace, a continuation of the assualt on democracy Key began with his destruction of Ecan and has continued with his behind clsoed doors deals with the racist, Separatist Party.

    AND DPF, god knows I hate d4j, but you give him demerits for suggesting an MP with a DUI conviction may DD again and yet come out with “The Supreme Overlord denies that he will be ordering the compulsory disinfecting of Opposition MPs in Canterbury.”

    [500 demerits for you]

    Of course, your comment shows the disregard you and your Notional Facist Party have for democracy, in your eyes its a disease that needs to be disinfected.

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  21. peterwn (3,275 comments) says:

    Requisitioning property. During a Civil Defence exercise the Power Board guy asked why the power was not coming back on. “You have requisitioned all our trucks” was the reply.

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  22. Tinakori (67 comments) says:

    » make available powers to examine, mark, seize, sample, secure, disinfect, or destroy any property, animal, or any other thing

    Any other thing!!! good grief. No need for any upfront definition here.

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  23. k.jones (210 comments) says:

    @NX “Ok sure.. the left doesn’t like Gerry Brownlee”.

    Big Gerry is not particularly liked inside the party either. His shortcomings thinking thru his pet mining project did’nt do “brand brownlee” any favours. Some days gerry doesn’t even like gerry….

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  24. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    Oh FFS! You left wing hand wringers dont have a bloody clue what a dictatorship is!

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  25. projectman (224 comments) says:

    OK, WTF would all you conspiracy theorists who do in the current situation. Stop your f’n moaning and try to see things from the viewpoint of having to manage a very difficult situation.

    Assault on democracy? Only if powers are exceeded, and apart from all these unsubstantiated assertions there’s no indication of that. There will be plenty of people looking to hold the Commission to account.

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  26. backster (2,174 comments) says:

    It’s apparent to me that the arrangement is the only way to get anything done.

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  27. MyNameIsJack (2,415 comments) says:

    Bevan (2,596) Says:

    September 17th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
    Oh FFS! You left wing hand wringers dont have a bloody clue what a dictatorship is!

    Is that a quote, Bevan?

    Let me look it up ….

    Ah yes, here it is: “Du linke Hand Wringmaschinen dont haben eine Ahnung, was blutigen Diktatur ist!” – Franz von Papen, 1 June, 1932.

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  28. Banana Llama (1,043 comments) says:

    Nope i have no idea what a dictatorship is like and i don’t intend to find out the hard way.

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  29. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    Bevan says:

    Oh FFS! You left wing hand wringers dont have a bloody clue what a dictatorship is!

    Oooo I think I do!

    It’s what you usually get after all the laws that protect people from tyranny are suspended.

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  30. PaulL (5,987 comments) says:

    I see this as a slippery slope. But hopefully a good slippery slope. Natural disaster, we try to get things done. What do you know, we have all these needlessly intrusive laws that get in the way of anyone getting anything done. Suspend them for Chch, and notice how nothing bad happens. Start considering just getting rid of them entirely.

    As for requisitioning property, that’s the one that worries me, and that didn’t need to be made. Yes, ban people from places (to stop looting, for their own safety etc), yes move things or disinfect them if you can’t find out who owns them and they’re a threat to public safety. But I don’t see why you need to take people’s stuff – surely you could just ask them nicely, or just pay them?

    I’d have been happier if this had been more limited – so if it said ‘ban people from places for the purposes of public safety or to protect property’. That would be clearer. Then, of course, I suspect the police already have that power……so why did we need this rule.

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  31. Viking2 (11,488 comments) says:

    MMM. Given the scale of damage one would consider this an overkill. Mind you if you rely on the MSM for any information its always stridently stated as huge, massive, disastrous.
    And it should be noted that many of the people in CHCH are trying to tell the world that despite the TV’s Great Impressions of a city falling into rubble that’s not the case.

    One really wonders if this legislation was necessary and if it will be a case of act in haste and repent at leisure.

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  32. Tane W (51 comments) says:

    DPF: Tane – your party voted for it. Go whine to them

    I fully intend to; voting for this crap was a strategic blunder that I suspect will come back to bite us Greens in the bum. But seeing as you’re a staunch democrat, with a long history of fierce action against ‘dictatorial’ legislation, I thought I’d come and whine to you as well…..

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  33. Fisiani (1,039 comments) says:

    The hysterical twitterings of the Loony Left are splayed across the Stranded and above.
    What part of 7.1 Richter do they fail to appreciate?
    What part of extraordinary tools to deal with extraordinary events do they fail to appreciate?
    When EVERY MP in EVERY PARTY votes for this measure then the “sky is falling in” opponents have to be pitied. They equate theoretical potential for totalitarianism with reality. They are threatening to never work for Labour and the Greens and are self abusing over the prospect of a Purist Marxist Tea Party revolution.

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  34. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    EVERY MP in EVERY PARTY votes for this measure

    What? Like their own superannuation entitlement increases?

    Why does the crimes Act need to suspected in Auckland to allow less red-tape re-bulding in Christchurch? Answer: It doesn’t, it should be .. but it has. There’s nothing quite a vulgar as politicians granting themselves more power.

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  35. reid (16,509 comments) says:

    mjwilknz (374) Says: Can someone please remind me what happens when good people do nothing?

    It’s not an issue mj, cause this time, the good people were the ones doing it.

    I bet the Heroic Fifth National Govt doesn’t use it as an excuse to do something like e.g. pass laws to let hookers setup next to skools (like you guys did, without even an acknowledged civil emergency) – how disgraceful.

    Funny how you guys don’t have any problem with things like this when your guys do things like that, isn’t it. Given you proclaim you’re all about “the humanity” and all…

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  36. Richard Hurst (859 comments) says:

    Things seem to be ok so far in here in CHCH under Gerryorders. So far we’re not being forced to build large statues of Gerry, hanging 10 foot high pictures of Gerry on the sides of buildings, there are no young men in brown shirt uniforms goose-stepping on the streets and the Labour and Green party members are not being dragged out of their houses at 2A.M and taken away in army trucks to an unknown fate.

    Sigh. Gerry must have such strong will power to resist such temptation ;)

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