Garner interviews Carter on The Nation

October 10th, 2010 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

The transcript is interesting:

DUNCAN My guest this morning is former Labour MP , now Independent.  Chris thanks for joining us this morning.

CHRIS CARTER – Fmr Labour MP

Duncan it’s been a pleasure.  We’ve had our differences but I’m pleased to be here.

DUNCAN And I’m glad we’re shaking hands, so the country can see that.

Had almost forgotten their little run in.

DUNCAN Who should be leading the party?

CHRIS So when people see a party stuck, making no traction, log jammed if you like, they start to ask what can change it.  Now policies maybe, but in the end it comes down to the leader, cos the leader’s the public face.

DUNCAN Who should be leading the party?

CHRIS Now there are three reasons why people are unhappy with Phil.  Can I go through those?

DUNCAN I’d like you to answer the question.  Who do you think should be leading that party if Phil Goff shouldn’t be?

CHRIS I’d like to respond to that Duncan by first of all saying that’s for the caucus to decide, and I’m no longer a member of that caucus.  I’d like to say secondly that there are at least four or five people in there that have got the qualities, the experience, the energy and the determination that could do a good job as leader.

DUNCAN Name them, name them.

CHRIS I’m not going to name any of them, but what I’m saying is that I’m confident that that Labour caucus could provide a number of people who could do a different job to Phil.

At this point various Labour MPs sighed in relief that Chris did not name them, as doing so would be a kiss of death to them.

The fact is that as unlikely as it is that Phil Goff will become Prime Minister in 2011, it is even more unlikely that another Labour MP will do any better. And any future leader is better to not become Leader now, so their brand is fresh for the 2014 election.

Now why are people unhappy with Phil?  You know I’ve said he’s a decent guy, he is a  good guy, he’s a hard worker and he wants Labour to win, but there’s three reasons why he’s not going to.  First of all there’s the perception that he’s from the 80s and that it’s just not working.  So we’ve had 18 months it’s not working, people are saying if it’s not working we need to change the leader.  Secondly he fudges on issues.  He fudged on the GST issue, he fudged on the four weeks holiday, and he fudged on tackling Paul Henry actually, and all of that really annoyed people.

Here Carter’s analysis is basically correct. It is very unlikely that NZ will elect someone who entered Parliament under Muldoon, as the new future focused Prime Minister.

And absolutely there is disquiet amongst the left MPs over what Goff has said and done on stuff like four weeks leave and Paul Henry. They feel he can not be relied on. That is why he will not survive long after 2011, but he will survive until then.

CHRIS I’m going to appear before the Council, I’m going to make a strong case about yes I stuffed up, yes I did an inappropriate thing, but hey Richard Prebble called David Lange mentally unbalanced, you know Phil Goff and Annette King tried to roll Helen Clark, none of them were kicked out, so …

A fair point, but the difference is how they went about it. You do not get expelled for trying to roll your leader. You do get expelled for sending anonymous letters to the press gallery. Mind you I think they will suspend not expel him.

DUNCAN And when did you last speak to Helen Clark and what did she say to you about this departure?

CHRIS I spoke with her yesterday on the phone, actually she rang me up from New York and she’d heard about the book.  I hadn’t spoken to her for some weeks, and she sent me this text saying what’s this about a book?  And so she rang me up to discuss about the book and we talked about resources and the way I’d do the book.

DUNCAN She’s going to help you write it?

CHRIS No she’s not gonna help me write it, but she’ll no doubt be a critic of it, but I’d expect no less from her.

I suspect Chris Carter’s book, when it comes to Helen Clark, will make the Brian Edwards biography look like a savage character assassination :-)

So what am I gonna do, well I’m thinking I’m really interested in journalism, I might become a journalist.

I am sure he could get a job at Radio New Zealand. Or maybe TVNZ need a new Breakfast host.

DR BRIAN EDWARDS – Media Consultant and Commentator

Well I want to ask you a couple of things.  I wonder first of all whether you think you deserved all the odium and contempt that was heaped on you about the travel business? That’s the first thing.

CHRIS Absolutely not.

BRIAN Oh okay.  And the second thing I want to know is if Phil Goff hadn’t forced you into what was in the end quite a humiliating performance in front of all the journalists, your second apology if you like, would any of this happened?

CHRIS Probably not Brian because I would not have felt used as a scapegoat.

What a smart question from Brian Edwards. He got Chris Carter to admit that none of this would have happened if Goff had not demoted him for his excessive travel.

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15 Responses to “Garner interviews Carter on The Nation”

  1. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    Carter’s pathological belief that election as an MP somehow grants you the keys to some sort of fourth dimensional lolly shop, where no amount of gorging oneself is too much, really needs a name. There’s elements, of course, of narcissistic personality disorder and sociopathology, but nothing really captures this overweening sense of entitlment.

    The best I can come up with is troughaholism, though that’s akin to adding “…gate” to every scandal. This syndrome needs a shorthand term to describe it because it’s becoming so prevalent. Carter is like the canary down the mine; the first to fall prey to the most virulent form.

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  2. jaba (2,146 comments) says:

    so who are the 4-5 potential leaders:
    Mallard no, King hehehe, Silent T .. ffs, hope so, Dyson hic, Cosgrave (no spelling mistake) na, Hughes hahaha, Chuck hahaha, Parker ..the fidget will be a laugh, The devil in Mr Jones .. not now, Shearer .. who??, Street ,, naaa, Robertson .. naaa.
    Silent T is the only one and even Labour dislike him and Little is a year away
    They have no choice but to keep Goff

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  3. jaba (2,146 comments) says:

    on the Nation yesterday, he was talking about Dame Helen and mentioned when they were in China together (with Goff) and for some reason he hesitated to mention he was there as the Minister of Education. ummm I don’t think the trip was about education issues

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  4. Pete George (23,685 comments) says:

    Effectively Carter is proposing that Labour sacrifice another potential leader. Who would want to lead Labour into the next election? Only someone who thought it was worth the risk of a trial run prior to 2014 and thought they could survive the post 2011 election knives. It would have to be someone who would be potentially electable in 2014 – can’t think of who at this stage.

    I think it’s far less risky to leave Goff as earnest caretaker until well after the 2011 dust has settled, then it will be easier to see who might be up to giving the serious business a decent shot. It has to be a different Labour to the past and present versions.

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  5. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Pete,

    That’s because its not about a different leader to lead Labour to a win next year.

    Its that another leader would allow Cartier to return to the fold (which is all he is interested in – with all the bennies it comes with.)

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  6. Chuck Bird (4,924 comments) says:

    “I might become a journalist.”

    What a joke. Does anyone remember the very short email he sent with about a dozen spelling grammatical mistakes.

    Carter got treated very leniently compared to some others for his troughing. However, he was the worst when it came to accepting any responsibility for his actions.

    It is a shame that Duncan did not ask him if he still thought Goff was a homophobe.

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  7. reid (16,634 comments) says:

    “He got Chris Carter to admit that none of this would have happened if Goff had not demoted him for his excessive travel.”

    Which makes Carter’s defence even more laughable.

    “Hulun, Chris here. Phil just demoted me because he doesn’t like gays. What do you recommend?.”

    “Chris, Hulun here. I suggest you write a mental letter and make a fool of yourself delivering it.”

    “Really?”

    “Yes.”

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  8. transmogrifier (522 comments) says:

    To me the most damning part of the interview is this:

    “So when people see a party stuck, making no traction, log jammed if you like, they start to ask what can change it. Now policies maybe, but in the end it comes down to the leader, cos the leader’s the public face.”

    Yeah, who gives a fuck about policies when it comes to voting?

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  9. Pete George (23,685 comments) says:

    “Hulun, Chris here. That didn’t work, I was embarrassed and sent away for two months. What should I do now”.

    “Chris, Hulun here. Say the same things again, repeatedly, just before they try you in a Labour court”.

    “Really?”

    “Yes.”

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  10. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    I liked that.

    There is hope for you yet Petty.

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  11. BeaB (2,148 comments) says:

    Can’t we park this guy somewhere and forget all about him? No charm, no wit, no ethics.

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  12. tvb (4,513 comments) says:

    Carter has made a solid point about Goff in that he has been in politics for too long that positions he held earlier – like the integrity of GST he has since changed. And he learned his politics in the era of Muldoon. The National Party has long moved past Muldoon but has Goff??

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  13. EverlastingFire (286 comments) says:

    The interview was crap. The whole thing turned into Chris Carter pathetically worshiping the works of the Clark regime.

    The Nation started out well, but appears to gotten worse with each show.

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  14. Chris2 (770 comments) says:

    Did anyone else notice Carter’s slip of the tongue concerning his overseas travel when he referred to it as a “travel fund”.

    To use the word “fund” instead of “expenses” indicates he held a belief that there was a pot of money set aside for his travel, And if you have a “fund”, then of course you spend it.

    Someone in the studio rather amusingly observed Carter would travel overseas for the opening of an envelope.

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  15. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    If anyone had quit his Tv job it should have been Garner for assuming he could or should “destroy” an elected politician.

    Fat guts’ ego is too big for him to do the job of a journalist.

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