The appropriate response

October 5th, 2010 at 9:04 am by David Farrar

UPDATE 1225: have taken my advice and suspended without pay until 18 October. Okay, may not be on my advice, but I do note that most people were calling for either just a better apology or outright sacking. As far as I know few people advocated suspension as the appropriate response.

A sacking would make Paul a martyr. The suspension both is humiliating for him, but also sets a very clear boundary. If he does similar in the future, then clearly the response needed from TVNZ will be stronger than suspension.

ORIGINAL: I’ve been thinking about what would be the appropriate response from TVNZ in relation to Paul Henry’s comments yesterdays. A “sorry if you were offended” apology does not come close. However I’m not in the camp demanding he must be sacked, and never work in broadcasting again. I do respect greatly the decision of Ben Gracewood to quit his beloved spot on Breakfast reviewing gadgets – a very principled gutsy call which will have far more impact on TVNZ than the few hundred people who have joined the anti Paul Henry facebook group (his pro one has 35,000).

What TVNZ should do, is the same as radio stations do when a “shock jock” steps over the line. They should suspend Paul Henry from on air duties. That sends out a very clear message about what is acceptable, without being commercially reckless. It may also serve as a learning exercise about boundaries.

I enjoy Paul Henry’s humour greatly, and think he is remarkably talented broadcaster. However what he did yesterday was not humouous. It was simply ugly. And I don’t think TVNZ (or Paul) have realised how different this is to other incidents.

If humour is sincere, you can get away with a lot. For example when friends ring me up and tell me awful Jewish jokes, I don’t mind a bit – because I know it is 100% humour and they don’t really have an anti-semitic bone in their body. If however some neo-nazi skin-head was telling the joke, it would be creepy as genuine dislike or contempt or even hatred is what motivates them.

And that is the challenge with watching Paul Henry in future. He no longer will be that funny offensive guy Paul Henry. He will be that guy who looks down on people with a different skin colour, and you will wonder if what motivates his humour is ?

There’s a fair bit I don’t agree with Joris de Bres on, but his quotes in the Herald are spot on:

Mr de Bres said Henry often said things to challenge or shock people “but this one was off the planet”.

“What he was saying was that if you were an Indian New Zealander and you were born here, you went to school here, you went to university here, you practised law here, you became a judge, you became an ombudsman and you became a Governor-General, that a key presenter on national television still thinks you don’t look like or sound like a New Zealander.”

Mr de Bres said Sir Anand probably knew Henry well enough to ignore his comment, “but I know that it does have an impact on other Indians and other New Zealanders”.

This is the truly sad thing. We should celebrate Sir Anand’s achievements. He was born in New Zealand to immigrants from Fiji. He succeeded at school, at university, was a successful lawyer, became a Judge and then a hugely respected Ombudsman. Finally he is appointed Governor-General. But despite all of that, some people think he is still not a real New Zealander. Now think about the awful message that gives to young New Zealanders who have immigrant parents. It is that no matter how well you achieve, there are some New Zealanders that will think you are not a real Kiwi because of your skin colour.

This is not about offending a singer from the UK. This is about a statement that really will affect  lot of Kiwis. This is not an issue of freedom of speech – because that is not the same as freedom from consequences.

TVNZ issued a separate statement defending Henry – a release that Mr de Bres said was more “discouraging” than Henry’s original one.

Issued by spokeswoman Andi Brotherston, it said: “The audience tell us over and over again that one of the things they love about Paul Henry is that he’s prepared to say the things we quietly think but are scared to say out loud.”

I agree that the statement in defence was disgraceful. TVNZ badly miscalculated. This is very different to Paul’s other complaints.

A stronger response is needed than an apology. I think an on-air suspension would be the appropriate response. Anything less, and TVNZ looks like it condones racism. Because this is not just about Paul Henry, but also about TVNZ’s initial response defending him as saying he is prepared to say out loud what we think quietly.

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182 Responses to “The appropriate response”

  1. homepaddock (429 comments) says:

    Well said.

    Henry did apologise on-air this morning. He looked and sounded sincere but TVNZ’s initial response compounded the original rudenss and there needs to be consequences which show it’s been taken seriously.

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  2. transmogrifier (518 comments) says:

    Very good summary. I kind of find it depressing the number of comments on here yesterday giving the opinion their blessing. I wonder how many of them would support me, going into my classroom next Monday, and telling all the kids of Indian, PI, Asian etc descent that they weren’t real NZers and shouldn’t bother aiming for any role where they represent our country?

    Because, really, what the fuck is the difference in sentiment?

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  3. RRM (8,988 comments) says:

    TVNZ CEO going on air and clarifying what his organisation really thinks about the comments might be a good idea.

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  4. nzben (3 comments) says:

    Thanks David. It was a very simple decision really: I wanted to make a candid comment about what a horrible thing Paul had done, but then found I was second-guessing myself because it might jeopardise the publicity and loaned gadgets I get from being on Breakfast.

    The thing to do was therefore completely night-and-day obvious.

    Thing is, if you want a clear definition of racism, you can look at Paul’s comment. He disgregards the entirety of Satyanand’s career, standing, achievements, and mana; and simply says “he’s brown, pick someone ‘better’ next time”. Fucking disgraceful.

    It’s really hard for the “anti PC brigade” to understand this. But try it this way: I’m fat. I wear glasses. I like hot food. People can make light of any of those aspects of my person, and I’ll happily take it on the chin. But I’ll be damned if I’ll let them associate any of that with my ability to do my job, my eligibility for public office, or anything else unrelated to my looks.

    I’m born extremely lucky because I can wear contacts and lose weight, but my fellow kiwis can’t change they way they look. Don’t use it against them.

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  5. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Baa baaa baaa baaaa

    Is it shearing time yet???

    It’s really hard for the “anti PC brigade” to understand this.

    Well, its more the anti neo-fascist brigade that you need to address that remark to. That such a minor transgression sends a force 10 earthquake the NZ’s social strata is ridiculous.

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  6. queenstfarmer (696 comments) says:

    Agree DPF, and Joris’s comments are on the mark this time. But it is interesting to compare and contrast this reaction versus when Hone Harawira made his recent racist remarks. Joris had to be poked and prodded into finally making some limp, “well it wasn’t a very nice thing for Hone to say”-type comments. Joris & co need to show consistency.

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  7. Yvette (2,589 comments) says:

    “And now to all of you who are part Yeniche, but very especially the Banjara, I apologise for my further offensiveness …”

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  8. transmogrifier (518 comments) says:

    red, at least you admit is was a transgression, and that’s enough for now :)

    In a perfect world, Henry would have been working for a private TV company, and people would have had the right to cancel subscriptions etc if it annoyed them so much, and there would be no need for a Race Relations Commissioner to do anything.

    I don’t think Henry should be fired for the remark (and I disagree totally with the sentiment behind it), but if he was working for a private TV company and they lost advertisers because of his comments, and he got fired because of that, well, that’s just what happens.

    I just wonder all the people who say that Anand was picked because he was of Indian descent; any evidence of this? Because simply the fact that he is of Indian descent isn’t proof. If he was picked on merit, he’d still have dark skin.

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  9. Brian Smaller (3,915 comments) says:

    I never saw it or heard it. Until al the bruhaha about it. I imagine that would be the same for most folks who are not actually watching TV in the morning.

    I thought he was referring to “how about a governor general’ who is not a wishy washy anglican priest who doesn’t know his religion from his arsehole, a time-serving judge or a labour party hack politician”. How about a Bernard Freyberg type. I vote for Corporal Apiata.

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  10. transmogrifier (518 comments) says:

    @ queenstfarmer – Yep, Joris has proven to have double standards. Quite pathetic, actually. Treat everyone the same or just resign if you aren’t capable of that.

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  11. Manolo (12,608 comments) says:

    Absurdity rules unopposed in NZ.

    Incredible how such minor stuff gets a level of attention it does not deserve. All PC-wankers are lapping it up in a frenzy and crying for Henry’s head (read the despicable Sub-Standard and laugh).

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  12. backster (2,000 comments) says:

    What a lot of nonsensical overblown pomposity, a commentator who calls it as he sees it has a sincere if light hearted conversation with his guest and gets crucified as false Libertarians take umbrage as their inner sensitivities are exposed. The mans said he is sorry if he upset anyone. That’s a noble and sufficient response and I accept it for any offence I took on behalf of the Official in question.

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  13. Robinson 666 (115 comments) says:

    I bet Paul Henry is greatful to count on redbaiter as one of his supporters! hahaha

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  14. Razork (374 comments) says:

    Didn’t he just say what the vast majority of us think?

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  15. Pete George (21,793 comments) says:

    “Didn’t he just say what the vast majority of us think?”

    What makes you presume that?

    Going by the unusually wide spectrum criticism in Kiwiblog and else I think you are a small minority.

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  16. mavxp (490 comments) says:

    I haven’t seen the TV interview *either*, but suspect that Henry was prodding at Key to find out what was National’s “politically correct” choice of GG going to be.

    The Labour Government *appeared* to go out of their way to make it an ‘affirmative action’ statement to advance women or minorities to the role. Not to say that any of their choices were bad at all or were not deserving in their own right. However, this perception of ‘affirmative action’ may have diminished the standing of the role in peoples eyes (and maybe Henry’s) that it was not based solely on merit, but was being ‘abused’ as a social engineering advocacy tool. The question is – is this right for the role of GG?

    Of course the way he blundered into this (perhaps trying to play devils advocate) was not intelligent and has come across really poorly (his dig at the mans race/origins was racist even if it was meant to highlight the appointment being based on a PC criteria), and an apology is appropriate.

    However I think it is a proper issue to raise with the PM before a GG is selected from a number of candidates and voice many peoples real concern that this is merely a ‘toy’ of the current PM of the day to play with to promote a certain ideology.

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  17. grumpyoldhori (2,410 comments) says:

    Amusing how many of the reich wing types are stating that Henry said the right thing.
    Believes all real New Zealanders are white does he ?

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  18. jaba (2,068 comments) says:

    stop the press .. stop the press
    I have just been told that the President of the United States is from African decent. My god, I didn’t notice.
    How many here can spell or pronounce the GG’s name without checking???????
    I think it’s great that he became our GG and I look forward to more people of varying ethniticies attaining such heights.
    I don’t think Henry is racist. He thought what he said was witty .. it wasn’t BUT I challenge ANYONE to state that when Sir Anand was appointed, you didn’t go, goodness, a GG from Indian decent, that’s a 1st.
    Ok, suspend him for a week but FFS.
    And don’t mention our “race consilliator” to me .. Hone is still an MP and what he said was FAR FAR worse.

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  19. Gosman (335 comments) says:

    Did you see the left is trying to link Paul Henry’s distasteful comments with John Key because the PM didn’t leap across the table yesterday and immediately throttle Paul Henry to death with his own tongue as soon as the comments left his lips?

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  20. CHFR (195 comments) says:

    Have to agree with Redbaiter and Razork on this one I am afraid. Henry did just say what most of us think privately but are just too unafraid to say publicly.

    You all seem to forget that it is best to have these sentiments out in the open rather than festering under the surface ready to explode.

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  21. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    I’ve been thinking that untill this country can react to this sourt of thing in an even handed non race based way I don’t give a crap.

    When overtly deliberately offensive racists like Hawariwa are given a free pass and Henry is crapped on for basically being an idiot I don’t care. I really can’t be arsed working myself into an offended frenzy just to go along with the mob.

    I also don’t time my outrage to coincide with media prompting thanks.

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  22. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Mussolini was the most popular politician in Italy (and Europe) for a long time. That the majority of NZers condemn Paul Henry and that employees of government attack him (De Bres etc) is fascism at work and not at all the example of liberalism and tolerance that many proclaim it to be. The left wing blogs that are so angrily denouncing Henry and demanding action are emulating the actions of the fascist groups that backed Mussolini way back then.

    I advise them not to be smug in their moral superiority. They are victims of a mood provoked by the deliberate massive brainwashing of our children that has produced (in NZ) a nation of neo-fascists. Such collective insanity can only (in the long run) bring this nation to a sad end.

    Funny how the circle has turned where the left that fought against evil has now become that very evil.

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  23. Pete George (21,793 comments) says:

    Henry did just say what most of us think privately but are just too unafraid to say publicly.

    Again, what do you base that presumption on? Anything other than thinking most people must think like you?

    Even on Kiwiblog there has been widespread condemnation, apart from a few who claim to be the majority.

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  24. dimmocrazy (286 comments) says:

    In my view all the commotion is primarily caused by the simple fact that Paul Henry has exposed the dirty underbelly of the true “Kiwi Culture”. All these uber PC commentators, including DPF, simply realise that this underbelly exists and this is absolutely abhorrent to them as it goes completely against the image that they want to have of NZ, hence their exaggerated response. I think this theory also explains the reactions of those thinking this is not a big deal, and it certainly explains the strange examples that DPF gives about jewish jokes and how he discerns between humor and racism on the basis of the character of the person telling the jokes.
    It’s time New Zealand takes a much closer look at itself and its culture, and perhaps contemplates what real freedom of speech means and how that should ultimately be a personal responsibility with personal consequences rather than some sort of “holier than though” process driven by the moral and cultural sensitivities of the elite few.

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  25. Pete George (21,793 comments) says:

    Interesting that Redbaiter doesn’t use that other famous fascist state as an example, the one that promoted racial purity with genocidal results.

    dimmocrazy, it is not an issue of freedom of speech, Henry was free to make those remarks. Others are also free to rightly criticise him and especially to criticise his promoter, TVNZ.

    Murray follows with something very strange.

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  26. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    Jesus Pete this the blog where people who were claiming that sperating sheep by colur was racist. Try a different stick.

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  27. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    Henry made a blatantly racist statement. As a journalist on a public TV station he needs to act in a far more professional manner. Andi Brotherston is correct in that a number of New Zealanders are racist but that does not justify his actions.

    To describe those who object to racism on publicly funded tv as “neo-fascist” is incomprehensible.

    The NZ Herald front page piece is interesting. Henry is chosen over the Delhi Games to lead. Henry is presented as a mainly ex-pat NZ’er and carpet bagger living in that enclave of right wing racism on the North Shore of Auckland.

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  28. James Stephenson (1,885 comments) says:

    So what if the GG isn’t “Kiwi” enough. The Queen’s a bloody German as far as I’m concerned.

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  29. Chuck Bird (4,401 comments) says:

    I placed the following on Joris de Bres facebook page. It will be interesting to see if I get a response.
    If I do not I hope others will post similar comments on his facebook page.

    Joris, I agree with your stance on this issue. The apology should be to all those of a different race who were born in NZ. The if you were offended I am sorry is totally inadequate.

    However, I find you response totally unbalanced when compared to Hone Harawira’s racist comments.

    Do you support Hone’s view that Maori cannot be racist as in his view they are an oppressed minority?

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  30. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    CHFR: Have to agree with Redbaiter and Razork on this one I am afraid. Henry did just say what most of us think privately but are just too unafraid to say publicly.

    You all seem to forget that it is best to have these sentiments out in the open rather than festering under the surface ready to explode.

    So what’s the guy to do? Change his name to Andrew Sutherland? Dye his skin white and his hair blond?
    What more can Satyanand do? Has he done anything wrong? Or do you think he should he have never been allowed to become GG because of his dark-skinned foreign parents?

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  31. tom hunter (3,993 comments) says:

    The Appropriate Response?

    TVNZ long ago degenerated into a ratings-only pigsty and in that world there really is no such thing as bad publicity. Did one get many eyeballs on the screen with an in-depth and balanced report on US politics? Did one get many eyeballs on screen with Paul Henry making brain farts?

    As long as the answer is Yes!, We got more eyeballs on screen, the managers of TVNZ are not really going to give a shit. They’ll tough out the news-cycle and move on, just like any other modern media-trained entity.

    This is an Oldsmobile media network. The only thing that might force them to change will be when the eyeball numbers drop continuously and the advertising revenue dries up as well. So make that your approach: forget protests, letters, complaints and all the rest – that’s attention. Kill them by ignoring them. Having said that I doubt that even then they’ll change – look at the US networks – but at least nobody will raise a voice when they’re sold or just vanish.

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  32. RRM (8,988 comments) says:

    Part of what Murray said.

    Paul Henry’s race comments were crap but he is just an idiot on TV.

    John Harawira’s race comments were also crap and he is an MP. One of those people who decide what our laws are going to be.

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  33. Djim (6 comments) says:

    Spot on David – I think that your comments are right on the money. I am a huge PH fan however this has gone over the line

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  34. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    Did you see the left is trying to link Paul Henry’s distasteful comments with John Key because the PM didn’t leap across the table yesterday and immediately throttle Paul Henry to death with his own tongue as soon as the comments left his lips?

    It’s not that he didnt throttle him, it’s that he did fuck all other than laugh along.

    In the real ‘kiwi’ world, if someone slags off your workmate/teammate you’re expected to ‘have their back’. What was/is obvious, is that Key doesn’t have Satyanand’s back.

    I’ve been in situations with workmates cracking maori/islander jokes and just turned my back and walked off. It wasn’t worth the drama of taking them all to task but i wasn’t just gonna stand around condoning that shit and laughing it off like it isn’t representative of a deeper malaise.

    It was enough of a message, and often its more what we do than what we say that defines us.

    And Hone’s comment were the truth expressed in a private e-mail. Soooo totally not the same thing !!! His actions speak louder than his words.

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  35. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “To describe those who object to racism on publicly funded tv as “neo-fascist” is incomprehensible.”

    To use the power of government to force people to think speak and act in an “approved” manner is fascism. Plain and simple.

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  36. Sonny Blount (1,829 comments) says:

    And Hone’s comment were the truth

    If you stand by this comment then you are a hypocritical fuckwit pollywog.

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  37. Guy Fawkes (702 comments) says:

    I am just pleased that it is on the table finally. This has been bubbling for a while. Importing diversity is a very flawed concept.

    Labour have a lot to answer for with their breathtaking stupidity in allowing agitators, criminals, tax evaders, and political muppets to live in this Country under the umbrella of Refugee Status.

    I am personally delighted to welcome any family of achievers from anywhere in the World. Colour, Creed, Race and Religion do not matter one jot. What is important is that NZ attracts the best of the best, and builds an Immigration Policy based on a Meritocracy and a further willingness to integrate and assimilate.

    I detest anything Radical. Whether it be left or Right. Racist or PC Control. Uber Liberal or Fascist.

    What is important is that everyone gets judged on achievement and contribution. The plank, de Bres is a committed Hypocrite.

    It is actually he that should be hounded from his Job. Immediately. Utter Git.

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  38. Repton (769 comments) says:

    @Razork:

    Didn’t he just say what the vast majority of us think?

    Do you think that the governer general is not a real New Zealander?

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  39. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “I bet Paul Henry is greatful (sic) to count on redbaiter as one of his supporters! hahaha”

    Here we have a typical example of the uneducated but well indoctrinated neo-fascist. He can’t spell (grateful) and even misunderstands the intent of gratitude in that word, but he has an exemplary understanding of what he has been told is the “correct way to think”.

    The lack of education is emphasized by his obvious failure to fully understand the issue here. So superficial he thinks I’m supporting Paul Henry, when if he had received the education he should have, he would realise its not at all connected with who the person might be. (and if he read Kiwiblog he would know I do not support Paul Henry or anyone at that organ of fascism TV One)

    NZ is a nation full of neo-fascists so poorly educated they have no idea of what they have become.

    Robinson too is such a thug he will not even abide by the simple rules of this site that saw him issued with a life time ban for abuse and lies. I bet the fascists are glad he’s on their side.

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  40. CJD (334 comments) says:

    I feel for Paul-like me he only really opens his mouth to change feet. Someone who I respect took me to task for comments I mad on this matter earlier. I must say clearly if Paul Henrys comments were motivated by true racism then he has to go. However I suspect he suffers from a syndrome common to many New Zealanders his age and older. It can be be described as a curiosity/naivite about other cultures.
    I my own case I am an immigrant. I look like any other New Zealander of european descent. However I have a different accent. It drives my nuts being asked over and over “where are you from…etc.” My answeris “I’m from Wellington-I’ve lived here almost half of my adult life.” But the point is-these people are not trying to offend-they are just now that used to diversity. But we younger people are-we have a world view that is radically different and we embrace diversity. I hope part of what Paul did was due to that sort of mentality. If he intended to offend then he has to go!

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  41. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    And Hone’s comment were the truth

    If you stand by this comment then you are a hypocritical fuckwit pollywog.

    here’s what Hone said…

    Gee Buddy, do you believe that white man bullshit too do you?

    White motherfuckers have been raping our lands and ripping us off for centuries and all of a sudden you want me to play along with their puritanical bullshit.

    …the only part that isn’t true is that maybe these particular white people didn’t commit incest with their mothers ?

    so yeah Sonny. If you believe it’s not, then you’re a delusional fucktard.

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  42. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Our TV has an ‘Off’ button.
    All of you who think hes a dumb-arse should find the off button.

    I think hes a brilliant presenter and I watch him often.

    The GG wasn’t born in NZ – so i think a good question is: “that Should the GG’s be born NZers?” – I think thats a good question and it implies that those not born here are more likely to go for customs that many do not like.

    And lets face it – he has got a accent that isnt good ole Kiwi. I used to hate hearing that yank woman who was in charge of one of the banks that supported cricket – every now and then she’d be on air with her yank twang telling us how she enjoyed cricket soooo much. Sounded like shit. I mean – what yank knows anything about cricket. Its too much of a thinking game for them to handle.

    Anyway – if the republicans get their way – there will be many more similar questions asked (similar to the question Henry asked)

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  43. Sonny Blount (1,829 comments) says:

    No I don’t believe that pollywog. How much tax have white motherfuckers paid over the last century that has benefited maori?

    They certainly haven’t been ripped off. I do not begrudge any maori or other the option to live off non-endangered birds and fish and live in traditional dwellings. What they have shared in with non-maori taxpayers is certainly no rip off.

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  44. Pete George (21,793 comments) says:

    The GG wasn’t born in NZ

    And lets face it – he has got a accent that isnt good ole Kiwi.

    Sir Arnand was born in Auckland. It’s not quite a city state yet, or has Rodney not told us something?

    Why do you think his accent isn’t like one of the variety of Kiwi accents? Have you heard him talking?

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  45. Don the Kiwi (1,316 comments) says:

    barry
    11.17 am

    “The GG wasn’t born in NZ.

    According to DPF in his post, he was born in NZ.
    In any event, I knew him from the time he was about 11 years old. He went to the same college as I did, although I was 2 classes ahead of him. He spoke like a kiwi – no Indian accent – he played the same sports etc. and was a happy kid along with the rest of his classmates. He went on to be dux of the college, and from there a very successful career.

    I don’t think he will take umbrage at Henry’s remarks – but like most of us will think what a dumb thing it was to say. I don’t think Henry was being racist, just attempting to be funny/controversial, and it backfired – he engaged mouth before putting brain in gear.

    I saw his apology this morning on TV 1 which I believe was sincere, and ended in humour by belittling his own ancestry – calling himself a Gypo – a reference to part of his ancestry being Gypsy. That’s his style – he achieves humour through it.

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  46. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    No I don’t believe that pollywog.

    Then i guess you’re a delusional fucktard then…

    …have a nice day

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  47. db (22 comments) says:

    Surprise surprise. There is racism in New Zealand. Not only the overt racism of Henry’s remark, but the more insidious racism of people who think the appointment to high office of someone not ethnically European is in any way comment-worthy simply for that reason alone. There is a lesson to be learned here for those with the intelligence to appreciate the fact.

    Speaking of which, does anyone appreciate the irony of Redbaiter assailing someone for lack of education in a polemic riddled with grammatical errors? Loud mouths are generally operated by deficient brains.

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  48. OTGO (457 comments) says:

    Ben Ben the gadget man. I’ll give you the same respect I gave Mitsubishi when they pulled their sponsorship of the Holmes Show. None. Any consideration I ever gave to buying a new Mitsubishi ended right then. Get over yourself man.

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  49. Camryn (549 comments) says:

    Don – It was confusing for me that he said “Gypo” as slang for Gypsy in Europe. As someone with a grandparent who served in North Africa in WW2, the much more common usage always seemed to me to be slang for Egyptian.

    I can see how you can see this admission as self-deprecating. To me it comes across as slipping in the idea: “I’m from a racial group that has been even more discriminated against than yours, so I can’t possibly be racist”.

    Ironically, if he is part-Gypsy then he must be a tiny part Indian too.

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  50. GPT1 (2,042 comments) says:

    Paul Henry had a shocker on this occasion but his great skill and attraction is that he says stuff that others shouldn’t. On this occasion he let slip with a really bad call – frankly it is a wonder it has taken this long. It probably sounded amusing in his head. But wasn’t. Welcome to live TV and a presenter who takes it to the edge. A sincere apology was made and appropriately so. I’ve moved on.

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  51. Don the Kiwi (1,316 comments) says:

    Camryn.

    Yeah, my dad served in Egypt in WW2, and gypo was what they called the egyptians. But the real root of the word is the gypsies in England and Europe. A bit like “wog”. In Oz, that’s anyone of Mediterranian origin. Here, it sometimes refers to Asians. But it started as I understand by the English in China – “Wily Oriental Gentleman”. :-)

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  52. tvb (3,937 comments) says:

    Henry’s shock jock tactics are good for ratings. TVNZ’s response will be a calculated weighing up of the pros and cons. I assume Henry has lifted the ratings of breakfast TV and TVNZs response will be in accordance with that. Joris de Bres is a leftie I do not take his opinions seriously at all. He is politically motivated.

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  53. MT_Tinman (2,790 comments) says:

    # Razork (357) Says:
    October 5th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Didn’t he just say what the vast majority of us think?

    Yes but he phrased it badly, omitting the word “average”.

    An inexcusable mistake by a professional talking head and ammunition for the commynist scum who pollute NZ blogs, complaint departments etc..

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  54. k.jones (210 comments) says:

    My definition of a real Nzer.

    I was watching the Phoneix destroy Bocca Juniors this year at the Cake Tin in freezing raining shit weather when i saw a diplomatic protection squad guy (used to be Helen’s) complete with ear piece/cold stare and scout the seats near me and the kids. Then, out of the corporate box into the rain comes Sir Anand and his wife to sit in the cold with the rest of us fans. I thought that was wicked.

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  55. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Paul Henry suspended for two weeks without pay

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv/4197611/Henry-suspended-after-G-G-comments

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  56. Pete George (21,793 comments) says:

    TVNZ have reacted to the pressure of common sense and decency and suspended Henry. Commercial pressure?

    In a statement today TVNZ CEO Rick Ellis said Henry’s remarks were inappropriate for anyone in the company to make.

    He has been suspended effective immediately without pay until October 18.

    I wonder if anyone else in TVNZ gets a bollocking over this. Their lower level response was disgraceful.

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  57. Fot (252 comments) says:

    TVNZ are a bunch of gutless wimps.

    I hope their ratings drop like a stone over the next two weeks.

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  58. francis (712 comments) says:

    NZPA’s reporting that Henry’s been suspended by TVNZ.

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  59. Don the Kiwi (1,316 comments) says:

    TVNZ have taken the PC approach – whose surprised.

    Keith Locke should go boil his head. What a freakin wanker.

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  60. Zarchoff (100 comments) says:

    Who had heard of this guy before Aunty Helen made him GG. I have met him on two separate occasions and Sir Anand is a lovely guy. However, most Kiwis didn’t know who he was (before being GG) and probably still don’t. Even John Key struggled to pronounce his name correctly. Jerry Mataparae will be a fantastic Governor General ;-)

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  61. Don the Kiwi (1,316 comments) says:

    Actually Zarchoff, John Key struggles to pronounce a lot of things correctly – ‘Oshtralia’ comes to mind ;-)

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  62. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    So John Harawira calls the majority of the country a bunch of land raping mother fuckers, and he gets made to make a very begrudging apology, then all seems to be forgiven by politicians and the media.

    Paul Henry asks whether the GG (who frankly doesn’t look like a typical Kiwi) is actually a Kiwi. Que soap boxes for all ‘progressive’ politicians for days of grand standing and demands for all and sundry to be held to account/ fired/hung drawn and quartered….

    PS: NZ’s fucked.

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  63. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    So John Harawira calls the majority of the country a bunch of land raping mother fuckers…

    Nah Bevan, thats not what he said…

    …so speak for yourself

    you’re fucked!!!

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  64. Fot (252 comments) says:

    What did he say then Pollywog

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  65. Pete George (21,793 comments) says:

    Slightly different scenarios.

    Hone uses ridiculous and offensive language in a private email to one person and is removed from that person’s email list. His sponsors don’t care.

    Henry uses ridiculous and offensive comments to thousands on public TV and is removed from public TV. Most of the sponsors were probably as annoyed with what was said as the general population.

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  66. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    you’re fucked!!!

    Here is what you posted that John said earlier:

    White motherfuckers have been raping our lands and ripping us off for centuries ….

    Maybe reading and comprehension isn’t your strong point.

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  67. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Slightly different scenarios.

    BULLSHIT!

    John Harawira actually believes what he said, Paul Henry was just being a dick head! The country should be far more afraid of what the likes of John Harawira would do with views like that, than Paul Henry with his.

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  68. bearhunter (859 comments) says:

    @ Bevan: “…who frankly doesn’t look like a typical Kiwi…”

    So what does a “typical Kiwi” look like, then Bevan?

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  69. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    Maybe reading and comprehension isn’t your strong point.

    Maybe reading what you’d like people to have said as opposed to what they actually said is your problem.

    The simple truth is, white people HAVE been raping the land and ripping Pasifikans off for centuries and that Satyanand is an NZer.

    It’s your choice whether to believe it or not but what you believe doesn’t make it any less the truth. It only makes you delusional if you don’t !!!

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  70. Lance (2,309 comments) says:

    Fuck this is ugly
    Like lifting up a rock and finding all the creepy crawlies run out

    My radical views are someone should be judged by their actions alone.
    Guess I’m not a real NZer, only 5th generation.

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  71. Pete George (21,793 comments) says:

    @ Bevan: “Paul Henry was just being a dick head!”

    How do you know what his knowledge of the GG was, whether the comments were pre-prepared or not, and what his motives were?

    The TVNZ statement yesterday suggested Henry was saying what many New Zealanders believed. Does that make them dickheads too?

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  72. Jack5 (4,209 comments) says:

    DPF on board with far-leftie Joris de Bres. C’mon DPF, you’re a better man than that.

    Henry was wrong, rude, and offensive. His tongue often runs ahead of his brain. However, Henry apologised. Surely enough. What do the racially righteous want – seppuku before the cameras?

    Now the massively overpaid and mildly overweight chief executive of Television NZ joins the lynch mob and suspends Henry. Perhaps he was responding to Granny Hooerald being in a righteous frenzy, along with Phil Gaffe and every other tut-tutter in the land.

    The Governor-General seems like a good bloke to me, and Henry was out of line to challenge the GG’s identity as a New Zealander. No question about that.

    Would anyone have taken offence if Henry instead of the “New Zealander” phrase, had asked will the next Governor-General be Maori, or Chinese, or anything but white? Or if Henry had asked whether the next Governor-General would be a homosexual or a cross-dresser?

    Interestingly, Henry said in his apology that he was half-Gypsy. The Gypsies originated from India around a millennium ago, and get a far more torrid time in Europe than Indians or Muslims or anyone-else. They suffered the same extermination policy as the Jews in Nazi Germany and its conquered lands, but this is seldom recognised.

    Perhaps all the self-righteous over-reactors to Henry’s offensive blunder are kicking the little guy while he’s down because he’s a Gypsy. Or because he was raised in Britain and sounds British?

    They wouldn’t be racially prejudiced now, would they?

    Why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

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  73. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    John Harawira actually believes what he said

    So Hone has the courage of his conviction to stand by what he says. How good of you to say.

    The country should be far more afraid of what the likes of John Harawira would do with views like that

    Well yeah you can crawl under your bed for fear of the darkies taking over but Hone’s views should be enshrined in law.

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  74. Lance (2,309 comments) says:

    FFS Jack5
    People criticizing Paul Henry are racist?

    That is one serious logic bender and thought processes that would put any spin doctor to shame

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  75. grumpy (226 comments) says:

    pollywog, but aren’t we about to find out about

    “…The country should be far more afraid of what the likes of John Harawira would do with views like that…”

    in the upcoming court case concerning Tuhoi maori activists.

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  76. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    TV One and Rick Ellis would be a stain on any civilized country. Benito’s boys.

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  77. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    Hone is a far cry from some Tuhoe performance artist.

    The countries politicians, media and the country in general would be better served to have views more in line with Hone’s and the conviction to stand behind them when expressed.

    Not like the lying Key, the cheating English or the ignorant Paul Henry.

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  78. Jack5 (4,209 comments) says:

    Lance at 1.04:

    …People criticizing Paul Henry are racist?

    No of course not. Setting aside Marxist de Bres for a moment, we’re talking about people that live in leafy streets in white suburbs and have white spouses or partners, that aspire to send their kids to high-status, white-dominant schools, and don’t earn their bread by manual work. Most of these people work, associate, and play overwhelmingly with fellow whites. How many token non-whites on the Hooerald editorial staff, for example? No these righteous people couldn’t be racially prejudiced, could they?

    Don’t overlook prejudice against British folk in NZ, either. The loathsome radio, kick-a-Pom campaign of the 1970s was far, far worse racism than Henry has been guilty of.

    But don’t you think that it is ironical that the mob is baying for Henry’s blood as a racist, when Henry is of one of the world’s most racially hounded ethnic groups? (Yes he’s part white, but let’s not get into racial genetics).

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  79. Chris2 (703 comments) says:

    Is it too late for Paul Henry to enter the Super City Mayoral race?

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  80. KevinH (1,128 comments) says:

    Paul Henry apologised sincerely and without hesistation on TV1′s Breakfast programme this morning, which was the correct and appropriate action to take.
    In suspending Henry TV1 has over reacted and more than likely has taken orders from on top.
    What has being missed in this discussion is freedom of expression, whether we have it, or what the boundaries are.

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  81. Pete George (21,793 comments) says:

    Jack5 at 1:13 pm: How many token non-whites on the Hooerald editorial staff, for example?

    One journo at least by the look of things.

    Sir Anand ‘as Kiwi as anyone’ By Vaimoana Tapaleao

    KevinH – Henry was free to make those remarks, he didn’t apoligise “sincerely” until the morning after he said them, and TVNZ management is free to react how they see fit.

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  82. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    So what does a “typical Kiwi” look like, then Bevan?

    Maori, or Anglo Saxon. Look out the window.

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  83. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    pollywog:

    The simple truth is, white people HAVE been raping the land and ripping Pasifikans off for centuries and that Satyanand is an NZer.

    My ancestors are white and came to this country during the late 1800′s. And I can absolutely guaren-fucken-tee you they dod not steal one square fucken cm of this country from any Maori. So don’t you tell me that white motherfuckers have raped your lands. The actions of a handful of white mother fuckers, does not represent the actions of all of them.

    You are a racist bigot.

    Well yeah you can crawl under your bed for fear of the darkies taking over but Hone’s views should be enshrined in law.

    John Harawira’s views are nothing more than the ranting of a racist tool.

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  84. Pete George (21,793 comments) says:

    So what does a “typical Kiwi” look like, then Bevan?

    Maori, or Anglo Saxon. Look out the window.

    Those bloody Anglo Saxons with their superiority arrogance always looked down on the Celts. That’s why many emigrated here (plus more than a few Anglo Saxons) – to escape the repressive class system in the UK.

    Bevan, had you thought were the term Anglo Saxon comes from?

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  85. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    How do you know what his knowledge of the GG was, whether the comments were pre-prepared or not, and what his motives were?

    Do you think he was intentionally trying to stoke racial tensions?

    The TVNZ statement yesterday suggested Henry was saying what many New Zealanders believed. Does that make them dickheads too?

    Most people I know, myself included, were actually surprised when they found out the GG WAS actually born in NZ – many of us assumed he wasnt. Who gives a fuck? Most of my mates originally assumed I was born in Italy – I didn’t fly off the fucken handle feigning insult when they told me.

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  86. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Bevan, had you thought were the term Anglo Saxon comes from?

    To be honest Pete, and it may shock you – but frankly my dear I don’t really give a fuck.

    And yes I do know, and frankly that term has been used for a very long time to describe descendants from the British isles, mush to the chargrin of the Welsh, Scottish and Irish descendants.

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  87. OTGO (457 comments) says:

    So Henry’s gone for two weeks. Ratings will dive for TVNZ Breakfast and rise for Comm Games replays. Sky will be pleased. See folks it’s all about choice. Free choice to be offended. Or not.

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  88. Pete George (21,793 comments) says:

    How do you know what his knowledge of the GG was, whether the comments were pre-prepared or not, and what his motives were?

    Do you think he was intentionally trying to stoke racial tensions?

    I have no idea. I do know that much of what is on TV is prepared and scripted.

    I was asking you why you said he was just being a dickhead. You said it as a statement, but I presume you were just guessing. I agree that he was being a dickhead, but have no idea if he was a prepared dickhead or an off-the-cuff dickhead.

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  89. ben (2,385 comments) says:

    What a song and dance. He said something people, including me, disagree with. Again I ask: so what.

    Stuff like things brings New Zealand to the edge of genuine free speech problems. It is only a short step from being suspended for Henry’s comments to being suspended for questioning homeopathy or global warming or evolution. In fact the skeptical doctor on Breakfast came perilously close to being sued, I believe, for his comments on homeopathy. The right to offend actually really matters, and Henry’s suspension thanks to the baying crowd is a direct assault on that principle.

    Sad to see you cheering this, David, although I understand it’s always easier not to swim upstream.

    And, again, I do not agree with or at all like Henry’s comment, or think it funny.

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  90. MCos (11 comments) says:

    This incident reminds me of something that happened to me years ago when I was working in an office in London. One day all the poms were grizzling about Pakistani & West Indian immigrants and foreigners in general. I asked them to take it easy because I was a foreigner too. No your’re not, they told me. you’re a Kiwi. I suppose to Paul Henry an English person straight off the boat would be more appropriate for GG than some person with a dark complexion who family might have been in NZ for generations.

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  91. ummmm (62 comments) says:

    John Key is a gutless prick for not standing up to Henry.
    A pathetic abdication of leadership.

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  92. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    ben – homeopaths are a little like scientologists when it comes to suing skeptics.

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  93. redeye (626 comments) says:

    “# Razork (357) Says:
    October 5th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Didn’t he just say what the vast majority of us think?”

    So you’ve polled us then?

    The majority of people I know would object to the vertically challenged being called any sort of Kiwi. Midget!

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  94. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    Excellent to see Henry has been suspended – saves a drive to Hobson Street to protest this afternoon.

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  95. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    ummmm,

    Like giving millions to fund a braying donkey toilet perhaps? Or how about being prepared to sacrifice a couple of the working class (driver & Policeman) to cover up your denial of speeding to a rugby game? Or fraudulently signing artwork? Or enacting retrospective legislation to get away with theft?… Great leadership!! Thanks for setting the benchmark

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  96. Pete George (21,793 comments) says:

    Bevan, it’s a bit ironic that Anglo Saxons (originally from Germany/Denmark/Holland) rave so much about being the right stuff when they are amongst the biggest mongrels on the planet. Britain has been a melting pot of cultures and bloodlines since the Romans ruled.

    Also ironic that the Royal Family are not Anglo Saxon. UK/European royals are virtually a race of their own.

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  97. bearhunter (859 comments) says:

    “Maori, or Anglo Saxon. Look out the window.”

    Well, I’ve looked out the window and I have to say you’re right – he doesn’t look like a typical Kiwi. If Great South Road is anything to go by, the typical Kiwi is either Asian or Pacific Islander….

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  98. Rex Widerstrom (5,124 comments) says:

    the statement in defence was disgraceful. TVNZ badly miscalculated

    Agreed… moreso even than Henry, who at least has immaturity and ignorance as excuses. So who else in TVNZ will be disciplined for compounding the offence? No one, that’s who.

    While I was amongst those condeming Henry – and still am – it seems he’s very much like the spoilt child whose antics are condoned by his parents, who just don’t care (or even secretly delight in the fact) that he runs about other people’s houses breaking things and shrug in that “what can you do?” way if someone objects.

    Yet if they’d made the boundaries clear at the outset, and handed out the occasional spanking when they were exceeded, perhaps he wouldn’t actually have set the cat on fire.

    transmogrifier nailed it much higher in the thread:

    In a perfect world, Henry would have been working for a private TV company, and people would have had the right to cancel subscriptions etc if it annoyed them so much, and there would be no need for a Race Relations Commissioner to do anything.

    Sell TVNZ. At the moment Henry and his handlers are insulated from the outcomes of their puerile and childish behaviour. Let’s see how they behave when, say, they’re answering to Rupert Murdoch and not Joris de Bres and his wet bus ticket.

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  99. ben (2,385 comments) says:

    John Gibson, yes they are active like that. But the problems really start when the government steps in and does their bidding for them by making rules and passing laws against speech which offends.

    It would be better to have a per se freedom to say whatever the hell you want, short of inciting riots or breaching copyright. This breach of non-rights by Henry is scary, not because what Henry said was in any sense right, but because of the danger it presents to other speech which is both true and offensive (e.g skepticism about homeopathy).

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  100. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    If Great South Road is anything to go by, the typical Kiwi is either Asian or Pacific Islander….

    Great South Road is not representative of the entire nation.

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  101. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    My ancestors are white and came to this country during the late 1800′s. And I can absolutely guaren-fucken-tee you they dod not steal one square fucken cm of this country from any Maori. So don’t you tell me that white motherfuckers have raped your lands. The actions of a handful of white mother fuckers, does not represent the actions of all of them.

    You are a racist bigot.

    Bro…I couldn’t give a shit about your cracka ass ancestors, but if they ever clear felled native trees for farming then their muthafucking white asses raped the land as far as i’m concerned… and you can stick your racist bigot shit right up yo arse ya dumass redneck bitch.

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  102. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    TVNZ have taken my advice and suspended Paul Henry without pay until 18 October. Okay, may not be on my advice, but I do note that most people were calling for either just a better apology or outright sacking. As far as I know few people advocated suspension as the appropriate response.

    I liked my idea better.

    Throw a bucket of shit on him and his car as he left the TVNZ car park, film it and youtube it.

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  103. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Bevan, it’s a bit ironic that Anglo Saxons (originally from Germany/Denmark/Holland) rave so much about being the right stuff when they are amongst the biggest mongrels on the planet.

    Really? I don’t find it that all Angle Saxons are raving about being the ‘right stuff’.

    Britain has been a melting pot of cultures and bloodlines since the Romans ruled.

    And your point is? Come on, I know you are dying to make it….

    Also ironic that the Royal Family are not Anglo Saxon. UK/European royals are virtually a race of their own.

    Ten generations of inbreeding can do that.

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  104. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Throw a bucket of shit on him and his car as he left the TVNZ car park, film it and youtube it.

    Then arrest this little snot rag and throw his arse in jail to become bubba’s new bride.

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  105. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “While I was amongst those condeming Henry – and still am –”

    Yeah, sad to see. The rancour directed at Henry is a shocking demonstration of how far down the fascist tube this country really is. Shameful that a country can train its citizens to collectively think in this manner.

    Paul Henry- New Zealand Falls To Fascism

    http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/

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  106. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    ben – how did we get to a position as a society where saying : homeopathy is dangerous magical thinking that can impede early diagnosis of serious illness, is offensive to anyone ? Similarly why does the media feel the need to give equal or any time time to climate change deniers ?

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  107. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    Then arrest this little snot rag and throw his arse in jail to become bubba’s new bride.

    …and an internet sensation who could sell the story or leverage the fame into other media ventures and make the little snotrag rather wealthy.

    chk chk boom

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  108. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Bro…I couldn’t give a shit about your cracka ass ancestors, but if they ever clear felled native trees for farming then their muthafucking white asses raped the land as far as i’m concerned… and you can stick your racist bigot shit right up yo arse ya dumass redneck bitch.

    Charming.

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  109. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    …and an internet sensation who could sell the story or leverage the fame into other media ventures and make the little snot rather wealthy

    I doubt you would have the brain capacity to wipe your arse properly..

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  110. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,785 comments) says:

    What a lame country New Zealand is.

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  111. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    Redbaiter – just read your post on Crusader Rabbit : should someone be calling the SIS to report you for trying to incite terrorist acts ? A Brazilian electrician was shot in London for less.

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  112. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    I doubt you would have the brain capacity to wipe your arse properly..

    Heh…Shouldn’t you be checking on your daughter and six fingered grand kids locked in the basement ?

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  113. Lance (2,309 comments) says:

    congratulations pollywog
    You have become more offensive than Redbaiter
    All without any actual logic or reason. You aren’t Hone blogging under than name are you?

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  114. bearhunter (859 comments) says:

    “Great South Road is not representative of the entire nation.”

    I doubt the street outside your window probably is either. What’s your point?

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  115. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    congratulations pollywog
    You have become more offensive than Redbaiter

    Meh, he’s just forgotten that he’s traceable.

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  116. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    There’s a definite method in the madness Lance, as i also suspect there is in Paul Henry’s brainfarts.

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  117. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    I doubt the street outside your window probably is either. What’s your point?

    Um, didn’t you bring up Great South Road? Don’t get shitty at me if your witty rebut sucked.

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  118. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    pollywog = ignoranus

    IGNORANUS = someone who is both ignorant and an asshole

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  119. Pete George (21,793 comments) says:

    If Great South Road is anything to go by, the typical Kiwi is either Asian or Pacific Islander….

    Great South Road is not representative of the entire nation.

    What is representative of the entire nation? Anywhere there are only “Anglo Saxons” and Maori? Dunedin is too Celtic, not Maori enough and has a Chin for mayor. Tauranga has an elderly race of it’s own. Gisborne and Gore? (Ignore Meng Foon, mayor of Gisborne).

    It’s impossible to tell Anglo Saxons apart from other Caucasians (and most are a mixture), and it’s often impossible to differentiate part PI from part Maori. Part Samoans are even trickier because they may have some Angle (or other tribe) from their German connections, and Asian as well.

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  120. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    ” Redbaiter – just read your post on Crusader Rabbit ”

    Thanks. I hope it frightened you. Your kind need to feel afraid. I know the damage you have done to this country is considerable, but I never knew just how bad until I observed the broad condemnation of Paul Henry. When a government dictates what its citizens should think to the extent the collective attack on Henry has demonstrated, its a sign of a deep and probably fatal sickness within its borders.

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  121. Gwilly (154 comments) says:

    Henry must immediately resign at this appalling and unacceptable treatment melted out to him by TVNZ. They have bowed to political pressure from idiots like Keith Lockie.

    I can only guess TV3 is on the phone to him now negotiating an improved contract.

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  122. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    Meh, he’s just forgotten that he’s traceable.

    Traceable ?…Cool Bevan, so you busting out the crayons now ?

    Just remember to ask the nice man in the white coat to wipe the drool off your face. It’s not a good look eh !!!

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  123. 3-coil (1,182 comments) says:

    Joris de Bres could have thought of a more PC pseudonym than “pollywog” :-)

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  124. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,785 comments) says:

    Labour lost the 2008 election right?

    The way leftists were going on you’d think that they weren’t the biggest losers in the country.

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  125. Gwilly (154 comments) says:

    Isn’t it amazing to see all the shrill from the Lefties…Lockie, Goff, Minto, Treen, etc.

    And even the welfare bludgers from Unite and Global Peace and Justice Auckland (GPJA) plan to protest outside TVNZ’s Auckland offices at 5pm today. Get a job!

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  126. Rex Widerstrom (5,124 comments) says:

    Redbaiter:

    “While I was amongst those condeming Henry – and still am –”

    Yeah, sad to see… New Zealand Falls To Fascism

    I offer an opinion that Paul Henry is a dick, I’m a fascist. Redbaiter offers the opinion that I’m a dick for thinking Henry is a dick, he’s upholding freedom of speech. Gotta love the man’s logic.

    When a government dictates what its citizens should think to the extent the collective attack on Henry has demonstrated, its a sign of a deep and probably fatal sickness within its borders.

    The government?! The government – in the person of it’s “leader” and its Minister of Broadcasting did nothing and Goff, as usual, did less than nothing.

    People who agree with Redbaiter: Brave free thinkers who are immune to any external influence.
    People who disagree with Redbaiter: People incapable of forming an opinion independently, so brainwashed are they by evil mind rays from government / the MSM / black helicopters.

    FYI, I agree with transmogrifier – sell TVNZ, making it a wholly commercial channel. Then people can simply boycott it, and its advertisers, if they’re offended and Henry can answer to someone like Rupert Murdoch, not the luvvies who run TVNZ currently and who know their jobs are safe because they’re fed from the taxpayer’s teat.

    I’d have thought that’d be the opinion of a fighter for free speech – let the market decide. On the other hand, a fighter for ignorant, bigoted speech who wanted to look like he was making an argument for free speech would write blog posts defending Henry.

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  127. Razork (374 comments) says:

    redeye (183) Says:

    October 5th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
    “# Razork (357) Says:
    October 5th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Didn’t he just say what the vast majority of us think?”

    So you’ve polled us then?

    The majority of people I know would object to the vertically challenged being called any sort of Kiwi. Midget!

    ——————————————————————————————–

    note that i asked a question, no need for abuse from under your rock.
    just answer the question.
    If your answer is no, then say so.

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  128. Pete George (21,793 comments) says:

    Didn’t he just say what the vast majority of us think?”

    No one has shown that the vast majority, nor any majority, think what Henry said.

    But it depends on what you mean by “the vast majority of us”.

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  129. Right of way is Way of Right (1,125 comments) says:

    All New Zealanders are descended from immigrants. It’s about time we just got over it!

    Incidentally, as the Governor Generalwas born, raised and educated in New Zealand, whereas Paul Henry, although NZ Born, was raised and edcuated in England. So who’s the real kiwi?

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  130. OTGO (457 comments) says:

    “Excellent to see Henry has been suspended – saves a drive to Hobson Street to protest this afternoon.”

    This says more about this poster than anything Paul Henry ever said.

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  131. backster (2,000 comments) says:

    Suspension without pay….Well that will shut him up…..after all state servants and politicians are are always suspended with full pay and perks, sometimes for years.

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  132. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “The government?! The government – in the person of it’s “leader” and its Minister of Broadcasting did nothing and Goff, as usual, did less than nothing.”

    Would this outcry have occurred a few decades ago? Where do you think the hysteria over this issue originally arose from Rex? I’ll tell you. Gradual brainwashing in government schools and also by means of a perverted politically corrupt mainstream media led by TV One.

    Its Gramscian garbage generated by Fabian government policy. These lemming like morons get all hysterical over such a non issue while the government taxes them and regulates them to death and THEY SAY FUCK ALL.

    Spineless ignorant of history under educated morons. They deserve tyranny and totalitarianism.

    I’m ashamed to be a NZer.

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  133. wake up (3 comments) says:

    “Mr de Bres said Henry often said things to challenge or shock people “but this one was off the planet”.

    The hypocrisy of de Bres talking about someone being off the planet is breathtaking..

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  134. Pete George (21,793 comments) says:

    Gradual brainwashing in government schools and also by means of a perverted politically corrupt mainstream media led by TV One.

    Henry was brainwashed in NZ and UK schools, and by TVNZ as plus BBC. No wonder he made such a dick of himself.

    And those who support him just because they perceive he is a righty aren’t far behind in the dick stakes.

    The Government appear to have kept out of this as much as they can.

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  135. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Yep, and there you go Rex.

    De Bres- Fascist in Chief.

    Government telling NZ citizens how to think and what to say.

    Disgusting.

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  136. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Henry was brainwashed in NZ and UK schools,”

    More pitiful cognitive dysfunction from Kiwiblog’s prime waste of bandwidth and time. Get an education fool, one that includes basic comprehension this time.

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  137. Rex Widerstrom (5,124 comments) says:

    Redbaiter:

    These lemming like morons get all hysterical over such a non issue while the government taxes them and regulates them to death

    Now there we agree. Debating the likes of Henry’s relatively inconsequential actions – and wasting time and gas to go down and protest against him – while blithely accepting much. much worse done by those who supposedly “represent” us is like getting upset by the colour of the flowers they’re picking out for our funeral.

    Having said that:
    - it doesn’t make Henry’s ignorance (and by that I mean I’m disgusted by his asking “Is he even a NZer?”, revealing a depth of ignorance and a degree of laziness in a highly-paid government employee that’s completely unacceptable) okay; and
    - getting outraged at relative trivia is still something I encourage because at least it keeps some flame of protest flickering. A flame that just might, one day, be fanned into producing some real change, in the things that matter.

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  138. Pete George (21,793 comments) says:

    Redbaiter and Henry escaped brainwashing but everyone else has been brainwashed? Henry has a couple of weeks of spare time, maybe he will run your revolution for you.

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  139. Banana Llama (1,105 comments) says:

    Are you a member of Unite Union Pollywog? I myself have no affiliation.

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  140. Bob R (1,250 comments) says:

    ***Pollywog wrote:

    Bro…I couldn’t give a shit about your cracka *ss ancestors, but if they ever clear felled native trees for farming then their muthafucking white *sses raped the land as far as i’m concerned…***

    Yeah, creating sustainable agriculture and a modern industrial economy is r8ping the land? If you, or other pasifika people, really believed this why move to live in a modern industrial economy? Why do so many people prefer it to living in traditional island society?

    As you say, actions speak louder than words.

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  141. Atheist1 (174 comments) says:

    I’m still convinced Paul Henry is Redbaiter.

    Pollywog, with ya bro. Don’t waste your “breath” on this bunch of creepy rednecks….

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  142. mikeysmokes (269 comments) says:

    TVNZ should give Master RedBaiter Henrys spot while hes suspended. Fuck that would be some funny shit.
    Redbaiter spouting his inane bullshit with his tinfoil hat on.

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  143. Rex Widerstrom (5,124 comments) says:

    mikeysmokes:

    I second that! Like Henry, I doubt there’d be much Redbaiter said that I agreed with. But judging by his comments here Redbaiter isn’t the kind of dumbarse who’d have to ask “Is the GG a NZer?”, as Henry said. He’d know the answer before he sat down to do the interview.

    I dispute most of his conclusions, but Redbaiter clearly reads a lot. Henry, on the other hand, gives every impression of not being able to colour between the lines and is too stupid, lazy, or both to conduct a bit of basic research to back up his thesis.

    Besides, Redbaiter vs Key is something I’d pay to see. Try and smile and wave through that interrogation, Johnny :-D

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  144. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Henry, on the other hand, gives every impression of not being able to colour between the lines and is too stupid, lazy, or both to conduct a bit of basic research to back up his thesis.

    ..and this makes him different from most mainstream “journalists” and “reporters” in what way??

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  145. Pete George (21,793 comments) says:

    not being able to colour between the lines and is too stupid, lazy, or both to conduct a bit of basic research to back up his thesis.

    It’s worse than that, one front-person doesn’t work in isolation, they have researchers, producers etc all playing the dumb line together.

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  146. Bob R (1,250 comments) says:

    @ athiest1,

    You’re “with” referring to peoples ancestors as ‘cracka’s'? You’re in no position to criticise Paul Henry or anyone else if you think that.

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  147. James (1,338 comments) says:

    He was a twit for saying what he did (theres no excuse RED,really…)Henry gets two weeks holiday,comes back more popular than ever and knows TVNZ won’t dare sack him as SKY would take him and his audience in a heartbeat …

    Who gives a fuck about the useless wank role of GG anyway? What the fuck use are they? Little better than old Liz on the throne leeching on everyone else and raising dopey,plant talking twats like Charles.

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  148. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Saw John Minto with the Unite group on the TV News calling for Paul Henry’s sacking. Minto is as intimidating as a weta.

    This issue could be resolved amicably by inviting His Excellency, on his return to New Zealand to take a dump on Paul Henry (after Susan Boyle has had her turn.)

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  149. jaba (2,068 comments) says:

    I see unite protesting outside TVNZ demanding Henry gets fired. Can I assume that Henry is not in a union. I didn’t see them outside the Beehive demanding Hone getting his arse kicked out of Parliament.
    Oh, and Goff .. it’s John Keys fault

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  150. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    Yeah, creating sustainable agriculture and a modern industrial economy is raping the land?

    You’re kidding, right ?…holla back when we get there ‘cos it seems ‘we’ have gone way past raping the land and are now giving the waterways a good rogering.

    If you, or other pasifika people, really believed this why move to live in a modern industrial economy? Why do so many people prefer it to living in traditional island society?

    We were conned mate, both here and at home and i reckon many would love to go back to traditional island society. it might be our only hope.

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  151. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “i reckon many would love to go back to traditional island society. it might be our only hope.”

    Yeah right-

    http://www.heretical.com/cannibal/polynesi.html

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  152. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    No doubt the first cook up will be white “creepy rednecks”.

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  153. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    You’re “with” referring to peoples ancestors as ‘cracka’s’? You’re in no position to criticise Paul Henry or anyone else if you think that.

    No Bob R, you’ve forgotten that it’s OK to be racist unless your skin is white.

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  154. ben (2,385 comments) says:

    John Gibson

    ben – how did we get to a position as a society where saying : homeopathy is dangerous magical thinking that can impede early diagnosis of serious illness, is offensive to anyone ? Similarly why does the media feel the need to give equal or any time time to climate change deniers ?

    Interesting points. I respond to each:

    1. “as a society”? That has no meaning here. Offence necessarily occurs in individuals, not entire populations. So the question is why people get offended when someone says something they disagree with. I don’t know: ask every single Henry hater in this thread. But the fact is some people are offended by others who say homeopathy has been tested and found not to work. The danger with shutting down silly comments by people like Paul Henry is that opens the door to shutting down perfectly sane, but for some equally offensive, comments by people like Shaun Holt.

    2. I have about as much time for CCDs, who basically don’t exist by the way (does anyone seriously deny the world is warmer? Nobody I know), as for Paul Henry’s latest comments. But – absolutely – an argument that Paul Henry be allowed to say stupid things is also an argument that CCDs have their say. People who demand free speech are the ones who aren’t asking to have it both ways. The point is not that Henry and CCDs are right, but that it is dangerous to ask anybody, especially governments, to work out what is a legitimate point of view, however offensive.

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  155. CharlieBrown (784 comments) says:

    Joris de Bres is an extremest fucktard. He represents everything screwed up with the loaded deck known as the HRC. Anything he says should be ignored. He should go back to Holland cause he is not an nz’er.

    Now that I have that out of my system I will get to the point about Paul henry. What is wrong in society if you cannot say something that most people think? We live in a fascist PC state ignorantly believing that we have more freedom than China. Paul Henry is spot on, most people in NZ to do not feel that the GG is representative of the people of NZ. It is sad that some people think that because of his race, but it is a fact.

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  156. ben (2,385 comments) says:

    Pollywog, the amount of land required to feed 6.7 billion people using traditional methods would have long ago seen rainforests disappear, converted to pasture. Intensive modern farming methods are what allows total global farmed area to have declined in the last forty years, despite the massive increase in population, leaving millions of hectares of wetlands and rainforests unploughed. Be grateful for the massive environmental benefits intensive farming brings.

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  157. mikeysmokes (269 comments) says:

    D4J did you finally get that meeting you were so keen on with Big Bruv? Seems someone or something killed off my second favourite comedian after redbaiter

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  158. starboard (2,447 comments) says:

    ..what a big big wankfest over nothing. Paul H for Supercity Mayor.

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  159. Pete George (21,793 comments) says:

    Paul Henry is spot on, most people in NZ to do not feel that the GG is representative of the people of NZ.

    On what basis are you speaking on behalf of “most people of NZ”?

    Henry is free to speak as he likes in private, on blogs or wherever he likes in his own time. Working for an employer is different, on an interview spot with the PM talking about the Queens representative, he has to abide by what his employer thinks is acceptable. TVNZ, eventually, made it clear what their official stance was and acted accordingly. It was their call.

    It’s the same here – I mouth off on a blog it’s my business. If I offend clients at work it’s my employer’s business.

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  160. Viking2 (10,689 comments) says:

    I always thought that the GG was the Queens representative and was the last bastion of defense between the Govt. of the Day and the people of the nation.
    Why then did the GG simply acquiesce to this Govt’s. new laws relating to the smacking law when it was manifestly clear that 87% of those that voted in the biggest independent referendum did not want the law and wanted it changed.
    How does he justify signing into law such Laws as the ETS and the the about to be past law relating to the seabed and foreshore.
    That particular pernicious piece of legislation is giving away NZ Govt. property to a minority group based on race and withoput any recourse to the ballot box.
    Any GG worth his money would deny its assent as being unconstitutional.

    Will he do that. Not a chance.

    http://www.nzcpr.com/weekly249.htm

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  161. Viking2 (10,689 comments) says:

    Stuff poll as of 8.20pm.
    Seems plenty of thinking people think that what he said was ok

    Is suspending Paul Henry for two-weeks punishment enough?

    Yes, spot on
    4718 votes, 20.0%

    He should be suspended for longer
    1537 votes, 6.5%

    He should be sacked
    8257 votes, 35.0%

    He’s done nothing wrong
    9058 votes, 38.4%

    Total 23570 votes

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  162. Pete George (21,793 comments) says:

    The 1 that mattered was his boss. Who will have noticed the 61% who didn’t approve.

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  163. reid (15,500 comments) says:

    “Will he do that. Not a chance.”

    No of course he won’t Viking.

    Because a GG’s real job is to step when things get dangerous, not just unpopular.

    That’s what we pay for.

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  164. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    What a wank. All the psychotic little neo fascists so obsessed with removing Henry from the political debate will have probably voted multiple times. As they say in their psychopathic mental state- “anything is permissible in their mission to destroy the right”.

    Even more irrational is that Henry would only ever be considered any kind of rightist in the extreme left environs of TV One or the nutjob fascists at the Standard/ NZ Politico/ Public Address etc etc. He’s about as dangerous to the left as a wet tissue.

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  165. CharlieBrown (784 comments) says:

    “The 1 that mattered was his boss. Who will have noticed the 61% who didn’t approve.”

    Is that 61% of people that watch tv in the morning?

    Explain the credentials, background, career and culture of the GG to people on the street then ask if they feel he is a good representative of them. Just about everyone outside of a government job would probably say they feel he doesn’t.

    We are told that you aren’t allowed to say things like that by the government and press so in turn we feel that what he said was naughty, even if deep down you agree with him.

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  166. Tauhei Notts (1,508 comments) says:

    Viking2 is correct.
    The Governor General is the Queen’s representative.
    If everybody muzzles commentators like Paul Henry we might end up with a Governor General who is the queens’ representative.

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  167. tvb (3,937 comments) says:

    Yes advertisers would have rung Ellis and told him to do something about Henry as they do not want to support the show. So it was commercial pressure that lead Henry to do something so stupid and it was commercial pressure that got him suspended.

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  168. Chuck Bird (4,401 comments) says:

    If you want see real racist check out de Bres’s supporters on facebook. They are only opposed to racism and sexism
    when it affects them detrimentally.

    Have a look at this racist Maori female’s comments. More racist are giving her the thumbs up. de Bres has not responded to say if he shares her racist view.

    Comments on the Breakfast show // Human Rights Commission

    http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1093696870

    Maehe Tahuhu

    Chuck, racism occurs when the dominant (majority) group oppresses the minority group with legislation and policies that supress or eliminate their rights, therefore technically as Maori do not wield that kind of power Maori are not racist. Also in response to your discriminatory policy re men sitting next to unaccompanied children, that is not discrimination it is simply a pragmatic decision that protects children.

    Actually Chuck, that is the academic definition of racism, not mine, and is widely accepted by the academic world as well as the United Nations. I would not know what the Maori Party policies are as I am not a supporter of them. In addition children can be sexually abused anywhere and just because you have not heard of any cases does not mean it has not happened. Can men be victims of sexism? Absolutely! However, sexist attitudes towards women are far more prevalent and have existed for a very long time.

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  169. transmogrifier (518 comments) says:

    Just saw the apology. Seemed sincere and well thought out. Not sure the two week stand down was really needed.

    Dumb thing to say, owned up to it, case closed.

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  170. Sonny Blount (1,829 comments) says:

    The 1 that mattered was his boss. Who will have noticed the 61% who didn’t approve.

    And the one that Stuff had up during the morning and took down in the early afternoon when it got to 70% support for Paul Henry.

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  171. Pete George (21,793 comments) says:

    It sounds like there was a lot going on behind the scenes, not surprising. If public reaction was an indicator there would have been a few internals very pissed off too.

    There is anger within Television New Zealand at suspended Breakfast host Paul Henry.

    One News this evening reported that some staff were unhappy with Mr Henry yesterday questioning if Governor-General Sir Anand Satyanand was “even a New Zealander” and encouraging Prime Minister John Key to choose someone who “looks and sounds more like a New Zealander this time”.

    Many viewers are also outraged, with TVNZ receiving a record 600 complaints about Mr Henry’s comments.

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  172. Fot (252 comments) says:

    Anybody else wonder why the unions are protesting against Paul Henry?

    It has nothing to do with the supposed racist remarks, if it did have we would have seen these same union scum marching to demand the sacking of John Harawira.

    Make no mistake, the unions scum are marching on orders from the Labour party, they (Labour) know that every time John Key appears on breakfast TV to be interviewed by Paul Henry it means that Key and National gain votes.

    Even Mrs Fot who cannot stand politics has said “I really like that guy (Key)” after watching his weekly chat with Paul Henry.

    Labour, the union scum and the left in general are mustering up as much faux outrage as they can manage, the very fact that TVNZ has caved into that pressure is to be condemned, they should have supported Henry and made do with the on air apology.

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  173. Fot (252 comments) says:

    The other question I keep asking myself is what I would do if I was running TV3.

    I have come to the conclusion that I would have been on the phone to Henry as soon as I heard of the suspension and offered him a job starting Monday, I would build an entirely new breakfast show around Henry and offered him what every he wanted to secure his services.

    It would serve TVNZ bloody well right if he did jump ship.

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  174. Mark (1,301 comments) says:

    Key was weak on this one. He should have come out strongly in support of Sir Anand by refusing any future interviews with Henry until he had at least put forward an full apology and done this right after the programme. Instead he stumps up with a pathetic ïts not for me to tell TVNZ what to do”response. Clearly he didn’t get time to run some private polling before he had to respond.

    As for Henry two weeks my be appropriate. I dont like him as a presenter so I dont watch him, I guess that is the option for those who dont like him and probably why the anti Paul Henry club numbers are so small becuase they have already exercised their democratic right.

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  175. Mark (1,301 comments) says:

    FOT i take it from your comments about Unions that you think that any union or union member are scum. Does this extend to the likes of the All Blacks, the black caps, teachers, resident doctors fuck me the list is endless. Who then are not scum in your little world?

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  176. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    http://www.heretical.com/cannibal/polynesi.html

    No doubt the first cook up will be white “creepy rednecks”.

    Fucken eh !!!…just lets not pretend it was solely a Pasifikan practise. Y’all supposed christian northern barbarians were into it as well y’know.

    http://www.opendemocracy.net/jen-paton/europe-and-its-cannibals

    Be grateful for the massive environmental benefits intensive farming brings.

    oh yah massa i be so grateful for you massa…PFFFT

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  177. Doug (405 comments) says:

    At last an honest review of the Henry debacle.
    http://asianinvasion2006.blogspot.com/

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  178. Fot (252 comments) says:

    Mark

    Anybody who joins a union is an idiot, it is as simple as that.

    And yes, it sure as hell does apply to the NZ Rugby and Cricket teams, both of the “unions” who represent those sports are dead set on raping the game without any concern for the future.

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  179. Pete George (21,793 comments) says:

    Key was weak on this one. He should have come out strongly in support of Sir Anand by refusing any future interviews with Henry until he had at least put forward an full apology and done this right after the programme.

    Yes, I agree. He and National have noticeably avoided dealing with it as they should have, after stuffing the initial response test badly. TVNZ acted a day late, it’s too late for Key. He hasn’t looked like a leader on it, and probably too late for him now.

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  180. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,785 comments) says:

    Paul Henry is a good man. Why is TVNZ diminishing shareholder value? Paul Henry must be reinstated immediately.

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  181. Fot (252 comments) says:

    The fascist Greens are now demanding that Henry be sacked.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv/4200725/Greens-call-for-Henry-to-be-sacked

    These are the same people who remained silent after the racist rant of John Harawira.

    What a bunch of hypocrites the melons are.

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  182. Fot (252 comments) says:

    Given that the whole Henry saga has become an “international incident” because it was on state funded television I would have thought that this is the golden chance for the Government to say that in the light of the negative publicity it has generated that they are going to sell TVNZ to the highest bidder.

    What a win/win situation that would be.

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