Workers protest against union

October 21st, 2010 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

Weta Workshop’s boss Sir last night said the New Zealand film industry was “at some level of peril”.

He said a $670 million US-backed production of Tolkien classic could be produced elsewhere if a union boycott of the project was not lifted.

“We are deeply concerned it may [go overseas].

“Our industry is being put in a very dire place by very few people who have nothing to do with the film industry in New Zealand.”

It is worth remembering that represents only around 80 actors in NZ – less than 5% of the total acting workforce.

Up to 1500 workers marched from Weta’s Miramar studios into central Wellington to picket an Actors’ Equity meeting being held at St John’s Hall.

Their jobs are at direct risk. This Australian union doesn’t care about how many people may end up out of work.

The Equity meeting – which was to discuss unrelated matters – was cancelled after union bosses learned the march was on its way.

Equity spokeswoman Frances Walsh said the union had “no choice” but to call off the meeting “because we are not going to expose our performers to harm”.

What? Did she think Sir Richard was leading a lynch mob that would burn the church hall down? Or did they just not want to talk to all those people whose jobs are at risk?

The Dom Post reports that things look grim:

The Hobbit seems set to be taken offshore, with the film’s producers due in New Zealand to begin preparations next week.

Sir Peter Jackson and the producers have been in a standoff with actors unions who have boycotted the Lord of the Rings prequels as they have agitated for a collective agreement.

There has been speculation that production could be taken overseas. Other countries had offered a one-off deal that is double New Zealand’s 15 per cent tax rebate for films.

Sir Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh said last night the lifting of the actors union’s blacklist “does nothing to help the film stay in New Zealand”.

“The damage inflicted on our film industry by [the actors unions] is long since done.”

The move has undermined Warner Brothers confidence in the industry “and they are now, quite rightly, very concerned about the security of their $500m investment”.

“Next week Warners are coming down to New Zealand to make arrangements to move the production offshore. It appears we cannot make films in our own country even when substantial financing is available.”

And remember it is not the fault of the unions:

Ms Kelly said union members would not be at fault if The Hobbit moved overseas. Instead, it was Warner Brothers seeking to gain greater tax breaks and lower wages.

Sure. Nothing to do with us at all. Helen sounds like the Vietnam commander – we had to destroy the village in order to to save it.

But Council of Trade Unions president said the crowd was “in a lynch-mob mood thanks to Richard Taylor, who has obviously wound them up like springs” and actors had to call the meeting off. “It was too dangerous.”

That nasty awful Sir Richard Taylor. How dare he organise a protest march. The condemns people who organise protest marches and make fiery speeches to them. Such marches should be illegal – unless organised by the of course.

I’ll make a prediction. If The Hobbit moves overseas, there will be another protest march. Not with 1,500 people in it, but 15,000 or more. And if you think you have seen anger already, you’ve seen nothing yet.

People should be angry when their jobs are at risk. NZ Actors should be angry that they will lose the chance to earn $5,000/week. Wellingtonians should be angry that a decade of investment into building a film industry here may all be wasted.

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194 Responses to “Workers protest against union”

  1. the bird is the word (69 comments) says:

    Great post DPF. What most people don’t realise, as you say, is that the union represents less than 5 per cent of actors! If we lose this movie, we might as well say goodbye to any future ‘blockbusters’ being made here…

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  2. Mr Nobody NZ (397 comments) says:

    It appears that the decision to move the Hobbit has been made (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10682024).

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  3. mattyroo (1,016 comments) says:

    Do you think the media will be asking the hard questions of their luvvies, Ward-Lealand and the stupidest of all Robyn Malcolm, or fawning over them as per usual?

    Robyn Malcolm should be in jail, this is the second bout of economic treason the bitch has committed this year. And to think our taxes go to paying for most of the shit she has ever appeared in, the bitch disgusts me!

    [DPF: 10 demerits. Don't call women bitches]

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  4. malcolm (2,000 comments) says:

    Why don’t Warners, Wingnut et al make a stand against the union? Declare the Hobbit a free shop. Moving production will just embolden whoever it is behind this murky situation. And who cares if Cate Blanchett whatsherface isn’t in the movie.

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  5. coventry (318 comments) says:

    Stuff also reports “Helen Kelly to be cast as Dorothy in Wizard of Oz remake”

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  6. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,855 comments) says:

    Now let me ask the right question.

    Which political party will benefit most from a severe blow to New Zealand’s economic recovery?

    Who is the president of that party?

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  7. Murray (8,843 comments) says:

    Australian actors union kills Bilbo.

    You’ll notice the greedy fuckers targeted ONLY the Hobbit and left all othe rproductions alone. Don’t be too suprised if a few members of that union start having trouble getting work in future. Just like everyone else in the NZ film industry who just had their livelyhood fucked up for them.

    Arrest Helen Kelly for hobbitcide.

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  8. Hagues (711 comments) says:

    Great to see the union get a taste of their own medicine. Apparently they don’t like it up ‘um.

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  9. adze (2,041 comments) says:

    This is a gutting, gutting situation. I felt sick reading the Stuff article. Regardless of the morality of having different sets of conditions for actors based overseas, we just don’t have the negotiating power to command otherwise. The benefits of having slightly less favourable conditions far outweigh the sensibilities of the NZ actor’s union and the mischievous Australian equivalent that organised the blacklist.
    It’s not the first time an Australian industry has screwed us. I feel as though I will never rent or buy an Australian movie again if the Hobbit goes – especially if they perversely go across the Tasman.
    All effort should be placed into keeping the Hobbit here, including the Govt. matching the ante’d offer from overseas if necessary.

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  10. Murray (8,843 comments) says:

    You got a nsty mind Adolf.

    All those red banner waving unions are just a spontainous popular reaction… which flys in the face of all polling.

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  11. Scumsucker (59 comments) says:

    Helen Kelly is the most hated person in New Zealand. This will fortunately go down as ‘Helen Kelly, the bitch who lost The Hobbit’.

    Email the cow here: [deleted by dpf]

    [DPF: 20 demerits. Bitch and cow are both unacceptable. And while I have attacked Helen for her public statements about the march, I actually have considerable respect for her. Attack what she has said - do not attack her as a person]

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  12. virtualmark (1,528 comments) says:

    Not only does the union represent only 80 actors, but I understand – from a close family friend who is a member of that union and has been offered a role on The Hobbit – that very few of the 80 members support the current action.

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  13. Murray (8,843 comments) says:

    HEY! Thats is bloody unfair Scumsucker. Thats is deeply offensive to every milk and beef giving cow in the country who are a valuable part of economy.

    Especially now that our film industry is fucked.

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  14. dad4justice (8,013 comments) says:

    Now that the good ol union has fucked another positive for New Zealand – can hobbitville be moved to Christchurch to house short people who have become homeless quake victims?

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  15. Murray (8,843 comments) says:

    The only role they have now virtual is that Smaugs face will be modeled on Helen Kellys.

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  16. slightlyrighty (2,504 comments) says:

    Labour and the Unions are working hand in glove to destabilse NZ’s economic recovery so Labour can get back in power.

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  17. Scumsucker (59 comments) says:

    Murray, MR Scumsucker to you (formerly known as Swiftman the infidel)

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  18. dad4justice (8,013 comments) says:

    Talking of people called Helen who have helped fucked New Zealand. How is Miss Klarkula? Hi Peter.

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  19. tankyman (120 comments) says:

    Its a sad day for NZ. We had something that we were world class at, something that promoted NZ so well overseas, that gave jobs to many and brought in tourism dollars by the tens of millions.

    They have done so much damage, not just now but ongoing.

    a sad, sad day.

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  20. tvb (4,301 comments) says:

    I don’t trust the Aussies. They are quite capable of deliberately sabotaging the NZ film industry.

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  21. kiwilad (3 comments) says:

    If this doesn’t convince people that unions primary concern is power and not worker wealfare then I don’t know what will.

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  22. dime (9,775 comments) says:

    I feel for the technical guys. This production is long gone.

    No way Warners are investing 500 mill here. Not when a minor, militant union can cause so much carnage. It would just be bad management. Heads would roll.

    The film industry is tough, look at MGM. They cant even get a new Bond film made and Bond films make money!

    Unions just cant help themselves. They see an enterprise that makes money and they just go for it. gimme gimme gimme. They are all scum.

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  23. slightlyright (93 comments) says:

    ITS FUCKING RIDICULOUS, National should really show some balls and get Jonathon Coleman to make a no entry order in relation to management of MMEA, under s16(1)(iv) of the Immigration Act “is, or is likely to be, a threat or risk to the public interest;”

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  24. Murray (8,843 comments) says:

    You say sorry to those cows MISTER Scumsucker.

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  25. tvb (4,301 comments) says:

    As for the blacklist – the Unions say it has been lifted. But that is an admission that one EXISTED. I assume this represents an unacceptable business risk for the investors. With this “risk” I assume the film will be made elsewhere. Thank you trades hall. All you risk are few dollars in wages, which will not longer happen.

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  26. shady (251 comments) says:

    There is no co-incidence that all the unions uprising are happening at the same time – the teachers, workers and actors. As I commented yesterday – the unions are pissed that their party (Labour) lost the last election. They are feeling empowered by the recent local elections and are flexing their muscle. Labour did their best in nine years to stuff the country and economy, the unions are just ramping it up to stuff up National. Andrew Little should be exposed as one of the leaders of a concerted effort to absolutely stuff the country.

    I can only hope that New Zealanders realise just who it is stuffing up the country!

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  27. jackp (668 comments) says:

    New Zealand reminds me of the movie, the mouse that roared – except no one is listening. But you folks don’t have to worry too much. You have great artists like Tau Wells to back up the economy when the Hobbit leaves.

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  28. dime (9,775 comments) says:

    Quick question – when the Hobbit goes offshore, we know tech staff and actors will lose their income. Will the chick in charge of the union still be ok?

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  29. Murray (8,843 comments) says:

    If shes in protective custody maybe dime.

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  30. lofty (1,304 comments) says:

    mmmmmmmmmmm…good question dime.
    I had to think for a nano second.

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  31. Brian Smaller (4,036 comments) says:

    Not only does the union represent only 80 actors, but I understand – from a close family friend who is a member of that union and has been offered a role on The Hobbit – that very few of the 80 members support the current action.

    So why don’t they stand against their own union. Cowardly scum.

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  32. KiwiGreg (3,244 comments) says:

    Is the name of the union leader just coincidently the same?

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  33. big bruv (13,647 comments) says:

    Watch the way the left are furiously trying to spin this disaster, apparently it is not the fault of the union because they called off the strike when it became apparent that they had pushed Sir Peter too far.

    Others have said it and I an only echo their sentiments, unions are scum.

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  34. davidp (3,565 comments) says:

    Robyn Malcolm is a Green Party spokesperson. Where do the Greens stand on this issue? In favour of Malcolm’s union, or the jobs of thousands of NZers? And have Labour come out with a position yet or are they pretending that unions are nothing to do with them?

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  35. Pascal (2,015 comments) says:

    What makes this even more disgusting is following the breadcrumb trail on this …

    We know this:

    1. This would have been the first time that Actors would have been paid residuals in NZ.
    2. A small supporting role would have received NZ$5000, which compared to the Screen Actors Guild rate of NZ$3800 is better.
    3. The Union pushing for a different contract is not legally registered in NZ and cannot legally enter into a contract
    4. The Attorney General advised them that the Commerce Act prevents a union agreement negotiated on behalf of independant contractors
    5. So they were making illegal demands
    6. That Union and Helen Kelly have just cost at least 1500 people their income from the Hobbit
    7. That Union and Helen Kelly have just cost NZ the revenue from the Hobbit, along with the associated tourism, international profile and so forth

    This looks too sinister to me. There is something up that we don’t know about. I would not be surprised if there are payoffs or benefits to some of these union members from the people who benefit when the Hobbit is no longer made in New Zealand. Because on the face of it …

    Why would they have been pushing for an illegal contract to improve brilliant conditions?

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  36. tvb (4,301 comments) says:

    The only way these films to be made here is to make industrial action illegal for the Hobbit project. Will the Government do that?? Probably not. Kelly simply does not understand that investors will not tolerate a project once started being held to ransom by industrial action. The fact that Kelly and her bully boy Union mates can impose a blacklist pre-production will mean there is NO way investors will take the risk once production gets underway. They are too vulnerable. Hollywood is littered with examples of production costs bankrupting a studio because of problems and cost overruns during production.

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  37. Murray (8,843 comments) says:

    Practicality and actual results have no place in ideology david.

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  38. Rich Prick (1,637 comments) says:

    I wonder why the CTU embraced an aussie union’s action? What did the CTU have to gain but being tarred with the fall-out when it all turns to custard. It never seemed to be about the “actors”, there are only 80 of them and none of those so far as I can tell were on the project. Claiming another notch on the bed-post in terms of industrial action being taken at the moment seems to have come at a very high price. I hope the CTU can service the debt.

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  39. WebWrat (516 comments) says:

    Just the left-turd agenda rolling along … stuff everything and keep us poor.

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  40. mawm (211 comments) says:

    I can only hope that New Zealanders realise just who it is stuffing up the country!

    Hmmmm….Actors, teachers, radiographers, labworkers, junior doctors. Yup the Unions are all doing their best to derail National’s economic recovery.

    Labour and Little – The Enemy Within.

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  41. Murray (8,843 comments) says:

    What do you reckon its smelly little trail will roll all the way back to Andrew Two Hats Little Web.

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  42. Lance (2,612 comments) says:

    I predict the worst spin to come from the lefties + unions in the history of the English language.
    Yes it will all end up being the fault of John Key

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  43. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    This exposes the CTU’s “National Day of Action” as a farce. They want higher pay but are less concerned with how many jobs are lost.

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  44. Murray (8,843 comments) says:

    Andrew Little needs a new hat Rodders.

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  45. RightNow (6,919 comments) says:

    This is only accruing opprobrium for the unions, and by direct association, Labour. Easy win for National next year, and a weakening of union strength. Coupled with all the other strikes going on it will only alienate middle NZ. I wouldn’t be surprised if next year the Greens get more seats than Labour (sad spin off effect).

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  46. Monty (974 comments) says:

    Where is Labour telling the unions to pull their head in and not to be such a bunch of cunts

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  47. vibenna (305 comments) says:

    Your tax dollar at work. The New Zealand acting industry lives off government subsidies, through NZ on Air, local content quotas and direct grants. The net result of the government subsidies is to product a bunch of bolshie activities who wreck genuine commercial activity.

    I suggest that we calculate the economic loss to the country from this illegal blacklist, and recover it from the NZ on air budget. The arts can have more subsidies once the economic loss is recovered.

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  48. double d (225 comments) says:

    no lefties trolling today …… conspicuous in their absence.
    silence is golden.

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  49. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    It is nearly 30 years since the “Kiwis Care” March. Time for a sequel, perhaps?

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  50. PaulL (6,003 comments) says:

    I predict John Key to offer extra incentives to the management when they come to visit. Management don’t need to visit so as to move it offshore, they just send an e-mail. They’re visiting so that John Key can talk them out of it – with our money. So what’s really happened here is the union has caused unrest, which has created cost for the taxpayer. So, big surprise, union gouges taxpayer in their own interests. In other interesting news, sheep eats grass.

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  51. vibenna (305 comments) says:

    PaulL – John Key will only have the opportunity to buy the Hobbit back if the Union backs down very publicly and give strong assurances of no repeat action.

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  52. Brian Smaller (4,036 comments) says:

    The CTU are trying to make out that people such as Robyn Malcolm are like MacDonalds or Supermarket workers. Does anyone else think that the people who are pursued by Woman’s Weekly and New Idea and who get to go to fancy dinner bashes at Awards ceremonies are downtrodden proles?

    Helen Kelly is so far out of her depth on this it is not funny. I personally know a builder, a driver and two costume makers who are going to be out of work now. Well done Robyn and your “Union”. Remember them at the next red carpet dinner you go to.

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  53. ben (2,418 comments) says:

    Anyone else think this smacks of a beat up or mildly clever diversion by Jackson in an attempt to extract more rents from a weak-kneed National government? I mean if the New Zealand film industry can be derailed by 90-odd Australians then we don’t have a film industry.

    Give Jackson his credit – he is working the system. I don’t think anything here can be taken at face value.

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  54. vibenna (305 comments) says:

    ben – how many global boycotts do you normally see happening?

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  55. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Its gone folks as of the 10.00am radio news.

    Warners are concerned about their investment,as they have a right to be- $500,000,000 is a lot of dough, a lot of which would have been spent here as wages and then drifted down through the econony, buying food and accommodation and house s and superannuation and tax paid……………………………………………………………………………….

    I now want to see our lefty friends blame this on the National government.

    National if they had any nuts should now stop all funding for Creative New Zealand , New Zealand on Air etc and let these fucking actors starve.

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  56. Brian Smaller (4,036 comments) says:

    no lefties trolling today …… conspicuous in their absence.
    silence is golden.

    They are at CTU/Labour HQ having a Spin Class. And there wont be any stationary bikes involved.

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  57. wreck1080 (3,842 comments) says:

    I find it strange how “helen kelly” can blame the government for not handing out tax breaks.

    In fact, the whole situation regarding movie production is stupid.

    It is because Movies are high profile and in your face, so many people want them here and will give tax breaks to get them here.

    But, if we are ok to give tax breaks for movies to be filmed here (which have very uneven revenue flows), why can we not give tax breaks to other industries which will provide more even and greater benefits? eg, give a tax break to Intel to setup a NZ production/R&D facility. But, that is not as sexy so noone would go for that.

    Screwy.

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  58. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    I wonder for how long Trev will keep this photo posted on Red Alert

    http://blog.labour.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/IMG00006-20101020-1311.jpg

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  59. Right of way is Way of Right (1,129 comments) says:

    Well done the Unions.

    You have just managed to alienate yourself from about 90% of the public of New Zealand with with petty, self servicing sactimoniuous and uneccesary piece of economic sabotage.

    At a time where this country NEEDS every single positive advantage it can get, in order to start producing, to drive the economy in to recovery, this group of economic terrorists has managed to sink a multi million dollar industry!

    In a different context, this would almost classify as treason!

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  60. PaulL (6,003 comments) says:

    wreck – we need some competitive advantage to make that worthwhile – or at least to be close. A chip fab would be a stretch for a country that graduates about 3 engineers a year, and has pretty strict environmental laws. A coal mine, however, we could do – tax breaks for coal mines anyone? Or perhaps call centres – if NZers spoke any foreign languages, or even English particularly well.

    Problem is, many IT type jobs, if they can be done offshore, can be done cheaper in India or the Phillipines. Any manufacturing jobs can usually be done cheaper and with fewer rules in China. High end design type work is probably where we have some opportunity – but we’re not graduating enough people with those skills. I’m thinking here that movies are essentially design too – we have quite a few creative types around the place, and creative types would rather work here than in India or China.

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  61. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    Will Helen Kelly and apparatchik’s be picking up the mortgage payments for all the self-employed technicians she has denied work too ? Unlikely.

    The “this is a Labour Party plot to inflict damage on the economy and discredit the government” is an appealing conspiracy theory. ” The ” this is a plot by the Australian film industry to hobble a competitor” conspiracy theory is more appealing but plain & simple stupidity is probably more consistent with human history.

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  62. Inventory2 (10,230 comments) says:

    According to The Standard, it’s all Sir Peter Jackson’s fault. Just to emphasise the point, their front page has a photograph of Sir Peter with a private jet behind him. I think Irish Bill has been bitten by the green-eyed monster!

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/10/quelle-surprise.html

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  63. vibenna (305 comments) says:

    Accusing one of the most patriotic and generous New Zealander’s of shafting NZ for a few dollars shows how disgusting The Standard is. Besides, it doesn’t even make commercial sense. He has built his capability and assets in New Zealand, and is far better off being able to run productions through them.

    It shows that, like Actor’s Equity, The Standard has totally lost the plot.

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  64. Murray (8,843 comments) says:

    Fucking commies.

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  65. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Once again, leftists pervert an institution and use it as a means to political power.

    I have no particular beef with the concept of unions, but once under the control of the left, they become politically partisan and therefore of doubtful benefit to the worker.

    There is nothing wrong with having an association of workers at any workplace. When that association becomes dominated by a central and politically partisan group is when things start to go wrong.

    The left have infiltrated and destroyed all of our public institutions.

    Get leftists out and things will begin to work and function again.

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  66. Lance (2,612 comments) says:

    @Murray
    I would have liked to articulate my disagreement with the policies and tactics employed by the militant left…..
    But instead I will resonate with Murray….

    Fuckin Commies!

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  67. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    Inventory2 – “Just to emphasise the point, their front page has a photograph of Sir Peter with a private jet behind him. ” – ahh yes the evil money men jetting into New Zealand to exploit the natives by giving them well paying work. Truly evil!!!!

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  68. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    This is a shame, a big fat shame.

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  69. dime (9,775 comments) says:

    LMAO The left just candle handle the jet.

    Peter Jackson should post a pic of himself just rolling around in a giant room full of cash. Chuck in some hookers for good measure.

    The dude is self made. He is beyond reproach when it comes to buying himself toys.

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  70. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    John Gibson- are you another of LRO’s or MNIJ’s numerous identities?

    Your writing is very similar in content and style.

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  71. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    ben – “Give Jackson his credit – he is working the system. I don’t think anything here can be taken at face value.”

    Someone is working the system but it isn’t Jackson. This Simon Whipp character seems to be a problem:

    “The film’s cast supports the concept but the MEAA board has refused any dispensation, stalling production scheduled to start in late March.”

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/Outsourcing/Actors-union-shouts-cut/2005/04/11/1113071894581.html

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  72. big bruv (13,647 comments) says:

    It seems that as the day goes on the more we find that Helen Kelly has been telling lies.

    Apparently the ban had NOT been lifted as Kelly claims…..let see her spin her way out of this one.

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  73. Inventory2 (10,230 comments) says:

    Quite so John; an Australian union has come over here, with the CTU’s blessing, and tried to throw its muscle around. It has failed in spectacular style.

    This calls for a Tui billboard:

    We’ll get Simon Whipp to negotiate for us. Yeah right

    What an epic fail!

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  74. excusesofpuppets (134 comments) says:

    Well done illegal union, hope your members enjoy performing on tiny stage theatres in Auckland, performing on top quality programs like Shortland Street and creating shows on your bankrupt West Auckland sound stage.

    Unions are not supposed to do this. Unions are supposed to help workers who have no voice. This union seems to have taken the voice of workers in an industry that could have earned thousands of dollars a week.

    In one foul sweep, the good work done over the last 20 years has been undone.

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  75. Mark (1,460 comments) says:

    With Jackson as producer and Director of this film I would be somewhat surprised if he has no say in film location.

    The cynic in me suggests that this is that this is a game of chicken between the studio and jackson on the one hand and the government on the other with the Union being the idiots who through stupid and ill conceived contract claims will take all the rap should Jackson decide to film this somewhere more tax friendly.

    Jackson has played this briliantly

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  76. Murray (8,843 comments) says:

    http://hittingmetalwithahammer.wordpress.com/2010/10/21/yeah-nice-moves/

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  77. Murray (8,843 comments) says:

    Yes Mark Jackson was a capitalist mastermind to trick the unions into blacklisting his film.

    You might want to up your dosage.

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  78. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Helen Kelly and her bunch of misguided fools are the movie industry version of foot and mouth disease. If I was boss of the circus ( NZ ) I would take the names of all those in involved in this treason and would make sure they could never draw any welfare benefits in NZ for the rest of their miserable lives.

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  79. backster (2,135 comments) says:

    The new Green Mayor of Wellington appears to be tonguestruck having made no comment that I am aware of. Yet her city will be the worst hit with the consequences of the Union action filtering down through all service providers in the city.
    To me this is yet more evidence of the ability of Andrew LITTLE to motivate and organise change to the detriment of the nation. The disgraceful leadership within the film industry of Malcolm, Elliot, and Ward-Lealand have dealt a death blow to the reasonable aspirations of the many talented young actor/tresses currently commencing their carreers. I agree Government funding of Creative N.Z should be cut to reflect the demolition of the industry

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  80. Lipo (229 comments) says:

    Call me an idiot but i was browsing through the comments on The Standard
    Really the first time I have viewed that site

    But Fuck Me, I am surprised that there are still people around with that Eat The Rich, Them and Us attitude

    You would think that if someone has a big fist of cash and wants to spend it on a movie in New Zealand, we should be doing all we can to curry their favour

    It is a global world now, if the don’t like us in New Zealand it is very easy now to move elsewhere

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  81. Rich Prick (1,637 comments) says:

    “this is a game of chicken between the studio and jackson on the one hand and the government on the other”

    And so the spin begins. Sorry Mark, this was about a bolshie Australian union sticking its nose into New Zealand’s affairs. Its New Zealand counter-parts joined the rabble and the studio has, quite rightly, taken the view that it would rather not have the treat of interruption once production starts.

    Well done Helen Kelly and the CTU, I hope those you purport to represent find it really tough going, just to get a feel for the value unions bring.

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  82. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    It’s very simple…

    1. Immediately offer to match the tax incentives.

    2. Send the bill to MEAA

    Of course the govt has to underwrite it because MEAA can’t and won’t pay. The legal action against them is more smybolic really.

    [As I understand it the benefits to the country are greater than the value of the additional incentives.]

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  83. niggly (813 comments) says:

    This is an disgraceful situation, the MEAA, Simon Whipp, Helen Kelly and Robyn Malcolm should be ashamed. They won’t of course because they are playing a long term game (never mind the casualties in the short to medium term). ARSEHOLES!

    Listen to Helen and Robyn’s astounding ignorance:
    http://static.radionz.net.nz/assets/audio_item/0007/2423239/mnr-20101021-0714-Warner_Brothers_heading_to_NZ_to_decide_Hobbits_fate-m048.asx

    Contrast with the informed co-producers and co-writers Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens explain the perilous situation:
    http://static.radionz.net.nz/assets/audio_item/0011/2423279/ntn-20101021-0912-The_Hobbit_-_Fran_Walsh_Philippa_Boyens-m048.asx

    At 3’40” AE invoked other actors unions across the world to maintain a work ban on the Hobbit. This is now a much bigger issue than a handful of AE unionist claim now that the writing is on the wall. Warners, of course, require “certaintly and stability in the workforce” (6’00”). But thanks to AE invoking other international actors unions the damage has been done.

    So we have the likes of Helen Kelly (and Robyn Malcolm) stuck in the past and are now playing their blame game. They are NOT taking responsibility for their selfish and foolish actions. Eg they claim the ban was lifted on Sunday. So now are blaming Warners and Sir Peter Jackson for not releasing the news. Well I say, if the ban has been lifted, what are the other conditions the likes of MEAA and AE have not backed down on? Eg to claim the ban is lifted is one thing, but if Warners does comes to NZ but still has to endure ongoing or periodic industrial action or distruptions then it is not good enough

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  84. niggly (813 comments) says:

    but if Warners does comes to NZ but still has to endure ongoing or periodic industrial action or distruptions then it is not good enough, is it? I’d like to see MSM take Helen Kelly and Robyn Malcolm and co, up on this.

    Their response:
    http://static.radionz.net.nz/assets/audio_item/0003/2423280/ntn-20101021-0928-The_Hobbit_-_Helen_Kelly-m048.asx

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  85. Inventory2 (10,230 comments) says:

    @ Lipo – One has to visit The Standard every now and again just to be reassured that one’s worldview is actually normal; as opposed to the anger, vitriol, bitterness and envy which manifests itself there in the name of the Left.

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  86. emmess (1,415 comments) says:

    I have no particular beef with the concept of unions, but once under the control of the left, they become politically partisan and therefore of doubtful benefit to the worker.

    Frankly, Redbaiter
    I am surprised at this comment, it is not often that I take a position to the right of you.
    But the Unions are the left and the left is the Unions.
    Smash the Unions and you smash the unfair advantage of the political left.
    This is going to be clear to everyone with the upcoming election of Andrew Little as Labour leader. When that fails miserably they will drift apart again. The only question will be how much damage they will do in the interim.
    The should have no extra rights that any other lobby group.
    This event won’t be forgotten, the sporting equivalent is the Aussie Underarm incident.

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  87. MikeE (555 comments) says:

    Jackson Shrugged

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  88. Inventory2 (10,230 comments) says:

    @ niggly ; and that’s the reason why Warners will NOT shoot the movie in New Zealand. The blacklist may have been lifted FOR NOW but there’s no guarantee at all that the union won’t try its show-pony antics again once production is underway, and cause a hugely costly halt to filming.

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  89. YesWeDid (1,048 comments) says:

    ‘There has been speculation that production could be taken overseas. Other countries had offered a one-off deal that is double New Zealand’s 15 per cent tax rebate for films.’

    Isn’t this the hub of the issue? For the Hobbit to be made in New Zealand, the New Zealand tax payer is meant to make a substantial contribution.

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  90. niggly (813 comments) says:

    Hit the submit button by mistake, so didn’t finish.

    IF Helen Kelly, Malcolm, Ward-Lealand really do CARE about the Hobbit being made here in NZ (and I believe the $500M investment will filet $1Billion dollars thru the NZ economy plus lead to further work and spin offs), if they really CARE about that and the film industry, they would stop the blame game and back down, take responsibility and ensure their are no further strings attached. Will they do that simple gesture?

    Incidentally I too read the Standard’s take on this. Apart from 2-3 or so good people trying to point out the obvious, the majority of fools there are still stuck in their ideological mindset of exploitation, class, anti-National, anti Peter Jackson etc. I wish such fuckwits would leave NZ, the country would be so much better off without their mindset destroying this country with their propaganda and lies.

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  91. vibenna (305 comments) says:

    Where does Andrew Little stand on all this?

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  92. Murray (8,843 comments) says:

    MEAA culpa.

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  93. Inventory2 (10,230 comments) says:

    @ Murray – brilliant!

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  94. MT_Tinman (3,089 comments) says:

    # Inventory2 (5,309) Says:
    October 21st, 2010 at 11:20 am

    @ Lipo – One has to visit The Standard every now and again just to be reassured that one’s worldview is actually normal; as opposed to the anger, vitriol, bitterness and envy which manifests itself there in the name of the Left.

    Dunno ’bout Lipo but personally I’m happy to let Big Bruv and you visit for me.

    I detest feeling dirty.

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  95. Inventory2 (10,230 comments) says:

    There is that about it MT; but sometimes you have to take one for the team :-)

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  96. Murray (8,843 comments) says:

    Inventory2 Reading utter crap so we don’t have to.

    Its some form of community service obviously.

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  97. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Has Phil Goff expressed an opinion on the dispute or is he (like Walter Nash in 1951) “neither for nor against”?

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  98. s.russell (1,587 comments) says:

    One protest march I would love to have joined…

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  99. adze (2,041 comments) says:

    “MEAA culpa.”

    Curse you Murray, you beat me to it!

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  100. Brian Smaller (4,036 comments) says:

    Is anyone else laughing at the irony of Peter jackson getting villified by the left when their Glorious Leaders took every opportunity to get photo ops with the guy when they were in power. Peter Jackson probably has had a lesson in the term ‘fair weather friends’.

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  101. labrator (1,879 comments) says:

    @emmess I agree with redbaiter. Unions are a natural response to monopolistic employment and I believe they have their place.

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  102. Murray (8,843 comments) says:

    Mea culpa adze. :)

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  103. labrator (1,879 comments) says:

    Caption competition?

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  104. Murray (8,843 comments) says:

    Thats not a troll… THIS is a troll.

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  105. tankyman (120 comments) says:

    Proof that the unions are telling lies about the ban being lifted – its still in place : http://www.sag.org/sag-member-alert-non-union-production-hobbit

    So Kelly is telling outright lies.

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  106. Magnanomis (138 comments) says:

    Helen Kelly = Wormtounge

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  107. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “But the Unions are the left and the left is the Unions.”

    Yes, I agree that is the way it is, but not the way it should be. There is no logical reason for unions to be dominated by left wing sympathizers. It is just that leftists have managed to maneuver their way into these positions and lie to gullible and uninformed workers so as to get them to support them.

    In fact the Union movement is destroyed and discredited by its long time association with the left, as your comment illustrates.

    Anything the left gets control of is destroyed. Anything. Their whole political strategy is to worm their way into positions of influence in our society so that they can introduce their decrepit and illogical leftist ideas. It is by this means that they have managed to dominate in New Zealand.

    NZ must be restored. The way to do it is to get every leftist out of every position of influence. It starts in the media and the education system, and runs right through our local government institutions and bureaucracy, to our parliament. Even some major international and local companies have been subverted by leftists.

    They’re ideology is poison and they are poison. Our country cannot live with such poison in its veins. (No country can, as the UK and most of Europe is about to discover.) Leftists destroy everything.

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  108. adze (2,041 comments) says:

    MEAA = Smeagol, NZ Film industry = Deagol.

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  109. niggly (813 comments) says:

    @ Inventory2 @ 10.32

    Thanks for posting Peter Jackson’s media release on your site. It makes sober reading.

    Although I did chuckle when I got to this bit that he wrote:

    Remarks on television by Helen Kelly of the CTU, demonstrated a total lack of understanding of the film industry. Nothing she had to say about The Hobbit and film financing was remotely factual. Why she has suddenly become the NZ Equity spokesperson is unclear, it appears to be a case of the blind being lead by the even-more-blind.

    Anyway, the woeful defence from the likes of Helen Kelly, Robyn Malcolm etc, includes statements such as NZ actors should be paid the same as their international counterparts etc.

    I say: BULLSHIT!

    How’s this analogy. If one was an aid-worker, NGO worker, doctor, nurse, medic, soldier etc, sent to eg Afghanistan or eg the Tsumani in Samoa last year, would the kiwi worker be paid the same as their US, UK, French, Japanese, Brazillian counterpart? Of course NOT! Usually less of course. That’s the way it works in international collaborations be those films, disaster relief or peace keeping etc.

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  110. vibenna (305 comments) says:

    The international boycott is still in place. Why?

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  111. RRM (9,735 comments) says:

    I’m confused.

    Equity spokeswoman Frances Walsh said the union had “no choice” but to call off the meeting “because we are not going to expose our performers to harm”

    (from http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10682015 )

    But then

    In a statement issued to the media this morning, Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh said industrial action by NZ Actors’ Equity and Australian union Media Entertainment and Arts Alliance had “undermined Warner Bro’s confidence in New Zealand as a stable employment environment, and they are now, quite rightly, very concerned about the security of their $500m investment”.

    The pair said the lifting of the actors’ blacklist of the production has done nothing to help the films stay in New Zealand.

    “The damage inflicted on our film industry by NZ [Actors'] Equity/MEAA is long since done,” they said.

    (from http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10682024 )

    Are there two Fran Walshes in the NZ movie scene? Or does Fran Walsh have two very different hats to wear here? Or is she being misquoted in at least one of these articles?

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  112. tankyman (120 comments) says:

    Because Kelly is a liar and only said that it had been lifted when she could see the anger in the NZ public over this.

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  113. bka (135 comments) says:

    tankyman, or it could be that the SAG, having been invited to the party, are ignoring requests to leave as they have their own agenda – which is another reason Warners are having cold feet.

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  114. vibenna (305 comments) says:

    Yes, Actor’s equity may have played into an SAG agenda of moving films back to first world countries.

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  115. Viking2 (11,332 comments) says:

    [DPF: 20 demerits. Bitch and cow are both unacceptable. And while I have attacked Helen for her public statements about the march, I actually have considerable respect for her. Attack what she has said - do not attack her as a person]

    Ahh! but its a fine line between these things isn’t it and while being respectful of a person is on the face of it the right thing you can bet your money that the left do not reciprocate that well being.
    While you are busy being nice to the left they are hell bent on bringing your house down. And they have no scrupples whatever about doing so.

    DPF, you are used to debating in a civilised manner but had you been at work in the early times of unions in NZ you would have experienced just how nasty those people really are when given the chance. They behave in no way different to the Mongrel Mob. They have just repleced those tatics with modern warfare.

    I posted at the time of the last election that the Nats. didn’t know what to do when they won. Its was a case of commiseration and what nice job would you like. I pointed out that real winners operate in a winner takes all midset so you don’t turn round and be nice to thosecoming second. Cullen exemplified that in his “we won, you loast, eat that” comment.
    National need some mongrel in their leadership.

    slightlyrighty (1,545) Says:
    October 21st, 2010 at 8:40 am

    I see Helen Kelly has called Peter Jackson “a Spoiled Brat”

    Kelly’s father was a nasty bastard, a real nice piece of work he was, looks like the daughter is the same. But DPF thinks she is OK. Well no she isn’t. Just another terrorist in nice clothes.

    Here is what I posted ealry this morning.
    # Viking2 (2,833) Says:
    October 21st, 2010 at 7:07 am

    Time has arrived for Key and Findlayson to become fervently Nationalistic.
    Seems the few are going to rule the many and cause Hobbit to hobble off to another country.
    If ever there was an issue PR made to dissemble the unions control this is Gods gift to the National Party.
    Its time they did exactly what the should and return the Contracts Act into Law and remove Unions collective bargaining rights and of course the Labour Parties funds with it. ( this would also quiet the teachers and other unreasonable unionists).

    Its a win win for the Nat and ACT. Those people affected in a positive way, and that’s many more than just the Hobbit film makers, will never vote Labour and those die hard union types and those whose lives and attitudes are subject to and controlled by oversea’s unions were never ever National Voters anyway.

    Check the bank account boys and muscle up like men. We cannot afford to let this go and continue to borrow and hope at the request of the Unions.

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  116. RightNow (6,919 comments) says:

    RRM – I haven’t specifically seen pictures of two different Fran/Frances Walsh’s but it does seem to be two different people. The Actor’s Equity Frances Walsh has Auckland contact details, while Fran Walsh lives in Wellington with PJ.

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  117. tankyman (120 comments) says:

    bka – nope – the ban list there states: “Authorised by Simon Whipp, Director, Actors Equity Australia” So he is the one who has the ban still there in partnership with Kelly.

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  118. RightNow (6,919 comments) says:

    tankyman, sorry to correct you but SAG have most recently announced:

    “Los Angeles (October 20, 2010) – Screen Actors Guild today released the following statement regarding the feature film production The Hobbit:

    “Today, our sister union New Zealand Actors Equity issued a statement recommending all international performer unions rescind their member advisories on the feature film production The Hobbit. In light of this recommendation, Screen Actors Guild will be alerting its members that they are now free to accept engagements, under Screen Actors Guild contract terms and conditions, on The Hobbit.”

    http://www.sag.org/sag-statement-regarding-feature-film-production-hobbit

    I still agree Helen Kelly is telling lies, but this just isn’t one of them

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  119. Scumsucker (59 comments) says:

    Email the cow here: [deleted by dpf]

    You gutless wonder David. Grow a ball or two.

    Her email address was broadcast this morning on Leighton Smith’s show on ZB Talkback.

    Pathetic.

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  120. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Leftist union leaders always say they are for the little man, but they never are. They’re for lining the pockets of and enhancing the social status and living standards of their true believers and comrades in the upper levels of the socialist movement.

    Look up “nomenklatura”.

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  121. James (1,338 comments) says:

    While not supporting SS’s view of DPF Kellys email WAS broadcast on ZB this morning and is public knowledge….why the censorship David?

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  122. RRM (9,735 comments) says:

    Perhaps DPF doesn’t want to encourage the likes of Kiwiblog commentors to dip their oars in James?

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  123. bka (135 comments) says:

    Rightnow, that release was just under half an hour ago. Perhaps SAG are reading kiwiblog?

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  124. niggly (813 comments) says:

    Thought I was see what other blogs had to say about all this. Eg:

    * NZ’s greatest twat, Fart Bomber Bradbury at Tumeke = Nothing at all! Obviously can’t bring himself round to criticsing the unions. Instead must be going thru John Key’s garbage bins trying to pin this all on JK in a “told ya so” exclusive. Can’t wait to see the results.

    * Nothing from the Greens, Labour, even National websites for that matter. Although I would have expected the Greens to chip in by now seeing a big multi national corporation is “exploiting the proles”.

    * But over at Public Address, the article there is well worth reading. It puts the boot into the incompetance of the NZ AE (etc) unions. Very interesting. Definitely a “must read”!

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  125. RightNow (6,919 comments) says:

    bka – I doubt it was from reading kiwiblog, more likely there was an urgent request from their sister unions.

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  126. rakuraku (162 comments) says:

    Obviously these actors have got so much work on they can afford to put a gun to Peter Jackson’s head.

    I wish i could earn $5000.00 a week, most people in the film industry are in fairyland such is the nature of the industry.

    They all think they are Charles Bronson’s or Julia Roberts, if you don’t like the money go and get a job at Pak n Save or on a building site at $12.75 per hour like normal people.

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  127. Danyl Mclauchlan (1,066 comments) says:

    Are there two Fran Walshes in the NZ movie scene? Or does Fran Walsh have two very different hats to wear here? Or is she being misquoted in at least one of these articles?

    There are two Fran Walshes, Frances Walsh (Equity spokeswoman) and Fran Walsh (Jacksons wife and collaborator). Apparently they hate each other – Frances Walsh wrote a Listener article about the New Zealand film industry a few years ago and Fran Walsh sued her for misrepresentation.

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  128. tankyman (120 comments) says:

    Kelly lies and says “The union advised Warners on Sunday (their time) that they had asked the Screen Actors Guild to lift any “don’t work” orders in place”

    SAG advises that they ““Today, our sister union New Zealand Actors Equity issued a statement recommending all international performer unions rescind their member advisories on the feature film production The Hobbit.” – this is dated today (taking into account time zone changes.

    So yep – she IS telling lies.

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  129. burt (8,155 comments) says:

    Peter Jackson and Owen Glenn should get to talking about this NZ film industry. Both of them now fully understand what it is like to be part of a lefties political game. Owen Glenn called Labour self serving – I suspect Peter Jackson would add a few adjectives to that….

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  130. big bruv (13,647 comments) says:

    Remember this moment the next time you hear Kelly and Labour talk about the government not creating enough jobs.

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  131. burt (8,155 comments) says:

    big bruv

    They are lefties and their supporters are lefties. They just nod and cheer anything their dear leaders say. They have no ability to connect the dots between things as complex as killing an entire industry and a lack of jobs.

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  132. burt (8,155 comments) says:

    tankyman

    Kelly lies and says “The union advised ….

    Your kidding me – a lefty union person lied to advance their own cause… a first surely?

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  133. ben (2,418 comments) says:

    Niggly

    Incidentally I too read the Standard’s take on this. Apart from 2-3 or so good people trying to point out the obvious, the majority of fools there are still stuck in their ideological mindset of exploitation, class, anti-National, anti Peter Jackson etc. I wish such fuckwits would leave NZ, the country would be so much better off without their mindset destroying this country with their propaganda and lies.

    i agree, it would be nice if they left. The problem is they are the types who stay. All the go-getters went to Sydney and London long ago. (Nearly) all the people left are content to simply vote more of other peoples’ money into their own wallets. The result is big government, big regulation, high prices, low per capita income. This is why New Zealand is stuffed. John Key can be as popular all he wants but the very second he or anybody else promotes policy that threatens to pull government back and make New Zealand prosperous is the second he will be voted out. We are stuck in a near-third world economy watching peasants fight over crumbs.

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  134. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “We are stuck in a near-third world economy watching peasants fight over crumbs.”

    Good comment. Soon though, there won’t even be any crumbs. See France, or the UK where 500,000 public servants face the sack. The stupid bastards so full of left wing bullshit from a politically corrupt media and an equally corrupt primary secondary and tertiary education system just do not have a clue about the real world.

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  135. shady (251 comments) says:

    http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2010/10/20/39350-ccu-spokesperson-helen-kelly-peter-jackson-is-a-spoilt-brat/

    Some interesting comment. Helen Kelly – president of the Council of Trade Unions. She has her fingerprints on all the industrial action happening in NZ at the moment to cripple NZ – as does Andrew Little – the so called future leader of the Labour Party. And there are 30% of New Zealanders who want these clowns to run our country!!? Into the ground!!!

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  136. tvb (4,301 comments) says:

    Financing a movie is a highly risky thing especially something as big as the Hobbit. The Union imposed blacklist is a step too far. The Industry CANNOT tolerate this threat once production gets underway. Hence I think it is over for NZ except for some post production work being done here. Filming will not occur in NZ, as it is too risky. All Sir Peter’s work in getting a film industry established here will go up in smoke. Kelly has well and truly stuffed this up. She thinks the film industry is like negotiating with a Government Department. But getting money together for a film project is a very difficult thing and most film projects lose money except for one or two real winners who carry all the rest. The risks of losing money are enormous.

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  137. RightNow (6,919 comments) says:

    tankyman – given the timeline you’ve set out then yes, she was lying.

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  138. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    “Redbaiter (12,205) Says:
    October 21st, 2010 at 10:44 am
    John Gibson- are you another of LRO’s or MNIJ’s numerous identities?

    Your writing is very similar in content and style.”

    I think you have answered your own question Redbaiter.

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  139. Gulag1917 (849 comments) says:

    The unions destroyed the UK car industry.

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  140. Pascal (2,015 comments) says:

    I wonder what it must feel like to be known as the woman that cost New Zealand the Hobbit.

    How many people who would have earned money working on this production are going to have to go to bed knowing that she has cost them that?

    How many tourist shops are facing the recession without the boost that Hobbit related tourism would have given us?

    How many more hip operations / beneficiaries / whatever could $500,000,000 flowing through our economy have enabled?

    How many more jobs could $500,000,000 flowing through our economy have created?

    How much more growth could New Zealand and it’s people have had?

    And it all comes down to this woman and the unions. Are any of them going to stand up and accept responsibility? Or are they going to keep on playing a blame game?

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  141. burt (8,155 comments) says:

    Gulag1917

    They pretty much destroy everything they touch. Things will re-balance when the Labour party vote falls to the same proportion of the population as are union members. Then their influence will be about balance rather than control. Balance is needed – control is dangerous as evidenced by this debacle that wil see defeat snatched from the jaws of victory for NZ.

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  142. OTGO (531 comments) says:

    I belonged to a union once when I lived in Australia when I was a young man working on a building site. We went on strike because the company changed tomato sauce brands. I kid you not.

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  143. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Well, I was gonna buy the Outrageous Fortune box sets – fuck it, now I’ll just download them.

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  144. Pete George (23,413 comments) says:

    Maybe voters should go on strike because Labour are changing their tomato sauce brand. Their colour may be the same but the ingredients and recipe are far too old.

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  145. burt (8,155 comments) says:

    Bevan

    I’d still tap her though.

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  146. Brian Smaller (4,036 comments) says:

    Perhaps the next time you see an unemployed actor on the street you can ask him/her “Whats it got in its pocketses, precious”.

    The answer with no film industry worth mentioning in NZ will be sweet fuck all.

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  147. burt (8,155 comments) says:

    Pete George

    If the Labour party have their way there will be no choice of brand. The peoples sauce factory will make the only choice and nobody will be able to afford it.

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  148. Brian Smaller (4,036 comments) says:

    I was a union rep in the Post Office Union for a while back when we had compulsory union membership. The hardcore unionist self-serving free-loaders I had to deal with from the union politburo put me off unions and cured me of any lefty leanings I may have had.

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  149. burt (8,155 comments) says:

    Brian Smaller

    Ah yes, compulsory union membership; made the Labour party strong didn’t it…

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  150. RightNow (6,919 comments) says:

    A fitting and prophetic quote: HM Warner of Warner Bros said in 1927: “Who the hell wants to hear actors talk?”

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  151. Murray (8,843 comments) says:

    Whats the difference between Helen Keller and Helen Helly?

    Helen Keller had vision.

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  152. bka (135 comments) says:

    Kelly came on the radio this morning after Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens and used her assertion about the ban having been lifted on Sunday to attack their credibility – they said the ban had not yet been lifted. It was lifted about an hour and a half ago. Good faith bargaining?

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  153. big bruv (13,647 comments) says:

    Gulag

    “The unions destroyed the UK car industry.”

    Nobody despises unions more than I do, however, to say that unions were the sole reason that the UK car industry died is really stretching things.

    They did have a part to play in its demise but the main reason that it died was because they produced a highly inferior product, in other words, the cars they were designing and building were rubbish.

    What killed the UK motor industry was a combination of bad product, highly militant and socialist unions and…..the Datsun 120Y.

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  154. OTGO (531 comments) says:

    As it did for me Brian. Was never in another union from that moment on. I am a SME now and we have no union. They tried about 5 years ago but my employees didn’t see the value so never joined. The union organiser accused me of “gettting to them first”. I said yes I did. When they signed an individual employment contract with my company.

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  155. bchapman (649 comments) says:

    Yep, writing is on the wall for the NZ film industry. Disney have pulled out out of Waitakere studios and Key and Brownlee have been asleep at the wheel. Meanwhile to NZ dollar continues its upward march against the US dollar. Do the sums- and you can see how much every cent rise in teh $NZ costs foreign production crews.

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  156. Pascal (2,015 comments) says:

    bchapman:

    Key and Brownlee have been asleep at the wheel

    What do you think they should have done?

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  157. Murray (8,843 comments) says:

    Yeah nice side trip there chapman.

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  158. Rich Prick (1,637 comments) says:

    “What killed the UK motor industry was a combination of bad product, highly militant and socialist unions and…..the Datsun 120Y.”

    I can recall the story of a shit-brown Cortina that had one side an inch longer than the other, turned out that one unionised worker was working to rule, whereas another got it right.

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  159. tvb (4,301 comments) says:

    Kelly saying the ban has been lifted misses the point. The damage is DONE. Once production gets underway the industry is quite vulnerable. An implied threat of a ban during production when the industry is at its most vulnerable is a risk too far. Kelly does not understand that. There will be NO filming in NZ and those actors who missed out in this work can thank Kelly.

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  160. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    What do you think they should have done?

    Forget is Pascal, you just can’t teach a control freak socialist new tricks.

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  161. burt (8,155 comments) says:

    big bruv

    Ok so it wasn’t the unions that killed the UK car industry…. It was the fact they continued to build an inferior design that was over priced and poorly built while the rest of the world improved their product and drove down production costs to keep the end consumers happy…. And how was that not a direct result of a highly unionised workplace?

    As Pink Floyd in the final cut said; If it wasn’t for the nips being so good at building ships the yards would still be open on the Clyde…..

    It seems our film industry will follow the ship building industry of England. The highest paid ship builders in the world all standing in a dole queue. What a victory that will be for workers rights……

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  162. Yvette (2,753 comments) says:

    The time that this issue has lasted has allowed other countries to compete, offering reportedly up to twice the dispensation New Zealand does.
    My understanding is that to date, the New Zealand Government has not put money into giant films, they have just forgone the GST.
    Now other countries are offer more, the New Zealand Government needs to find out roughly what has been spent already on re-newing Hobbitville, and the two new stages Richard Taylor speaks of, and consider then the difference between that and what other countries offer, to see if spending that amount of actual ‘cash’ is worth the income to New Zealand in terms of employment, down-stream services, and international publicity/tourism.

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  163. Murray (8,843 comments) says:

    Take a look at the BNZ centre in Wellington and then see how many buildings are desgined these days needing bolier makers.

    Then look at how proud the bolier makers union were of fucking the builders over. They still haven’t worked out that they killed their own trade.

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  164. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    As someone stated above Russell Browns piece at Public Address on this is fantastic. he shows Kelly to be even more incompetent than was known, and explains totally the shambles that Equity in NZ are.

    Well worth the read,

    P .S Russells liberal tendencies aren’t catching

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  165. bchapman (649 comments) says:

    Pascal- Whatever Brownlee has been doing for the film industry at the moment does eem to have been spectacularly unsuccessful. Where was he when ‘The Seeker’ got cancelled? Might be worth asking him what his department is doing to support NZ film.

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  166. Murray (8,843 comments) says:

    Wait the unions fuck over Peter Jackson and its the governments fault for what.. not having the unions arrested and illegalised chapman?

    Your I hate Brownlee agenda is outstripping your logic base.

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  167. alex Masterley (1,504 comments) says:

    Murray, don’t also forget the Mangere Bridge which was to Auckland, what the BNZ tower was to Wellington.

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  168. Gosman (336 comments) says:

    The Labour Party, (well Trevor Mallard actually but he is essentially driving the party at the moment anyway), has finally made a statement on this issue at Red Alert.

    They are backing away from supporting Helen Kelly so fast I can here the reverse beeps from my office.

    Interesting that i had a number of valid posts deleted at Red Alert without comment from Messers Mallard or his underlings. I think i might have hit a raw nerve there.

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  169. Magnanomis (138 comments) says:

    @ bchapman – ‘The Seeker’ was cancelled because it was crap and uncommercial in it’s primary market. That is, it wasn’t being bought by US TV channels.

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  170. RightNow (6,919 comments) says:

    Re the BNZ building – when it finally did get completed the top floor was meant to have BNZ written around it (the window frames were to make the letters). Instead it says ‘HAHA’ all the way around – the unions’ way of having the ‘last laugh’. see http://www.flickr.com/photos/nztony/3432804285/

    The unions are economic terrorists.

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  171. Gosman (336 comments) says:

    I would be interested to know if the Labour Party believes Philippa Boyens and Fran Walsh are liars given their comments on Radio Nz National this morning. You can’t give Helen Kelly’s views, (or Gordon Campbell for that matter), any credence unless you essentially believe that Peter Jackson and his fellow producing/writing partnership are lying through their teeth.

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  172. big bruv (13,647 comments) says:

    Rich Prick

    I think the car you are remembering was the horrendous Rover SD1, from memory the passenger side was slightly shorter than the drivers side.

    It was not uncommon for BL (British Leyland) cars to be sent straight to the panel beaters as soon as they arrived at the dealers showrooms, often doors would need to be realigned so they would close, welds repaired or finished in the engine bay and brand new carpers fitted due to water laying in the foot wells as a result of massive water leaks.

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  173. big bruv (13,647 comments) says:

    Burt

    Far be it for me to ever defend the unions, there is no doubt that because they were extremely militant they hastened the demise of the UK auto industry, however, it still would have happened eventually given the crap that they were building.

    It would not have mattered one jot had the people building the cars been the most conscientious and loyal employees, they had a badly designed and inferior product.

    In the end even massive price reductions and huge duties on imported cars did not save BL, the average punter soon worked out that he was far better to purchase a more expensive 120Y (or similar) and save money on repairs (unlike BL cars they hardly eve broke down) and enjoy the unheard of reliability.

    Again, I am not defending the unions, in the end they were the ones who cut their own throats by way of their excessive wage and condition demands, as I said, the UK motor industry was always going to fail given the products they were producing but there is no doubt that the union scum hastened that demise.

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  174. Gosman (336 comments) says:

    Yeah!

    I have been placed into official moderation at Red Alert.

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  175. Murray (8,843 comments) says:

    Alex I remeber the bridge ver well. It was hlaf done when we left to go to Singapore for two years. When we came back it was 1/4 done and falling abart.

    The quickest to fuck a project is let the unions get a sniff of power. Its no wonder WB have walked away from this clusterfuck.

    RightNow how much of a last laugh is it when your members never get another job? Good insight into their thinking though.

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  176. rakuraku (162 comments) says:

    Warner Bros and Peter Jackson will go and film the Hobbit where they feel they can get the best result.

    Nobody likes having a gun pointed at their head, we normal people quote for work in the free market, sometimes we get it sometimes we don’t, there are plenty of countries in the world where people are prepared to work for a lot less than $5000.00 per week.

    The world is a free marketplace and Jackson will not want any uncertainty.

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  177. big bruv (13,647 comments) says:

    Shit….the BNZ building, I had clean forgot about that.

    I vividly remember catching the bus home from town as a kid and looking into the massive hole in the ground that never seemed to have anybody working in it.

    Given that they started working on it when I was 10 and did not finish it until I was 21 it does show how cancerous and dangerous union scum can be.

    Anyway, the following is a brief history of the dispute.

    “The BNZ began purchasing land for the building in 1969.[1] Approval to build was granted by the Town Planning Committee on June 14, 1972, after the building codes were rewritten to allow the development “out of common interest.”[1] Construction began in 1973, however a labour demarcation dispute, involving the Boilermakers Trade Union claiming the exclusive right of their members to weld the steel, brought construction to a halt part way through construction. [2] The dispute was characteristic of the time, disrupting construction for six years and stopping the large-scale use of structural steel in almost every major New Zealand building project that followed.[citation needed] Although other building projects were promptly redesigned to use re-enforced concrete or stopped altogether, the skeleton of the half-constructed tower sat and rusted while much of the rest of downtown Wellington was rebuilt. In 1979, the original building contract was terminated and a new contract to finish the building was signed in 1981.[2] The complex was completed and occupied in late 1984.[

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  178. emmess (1,415 comments) says:

    Yes, I agree that is the way it is, but not the way it should be. There is no logical reason for unions to be dominated by left wing sympathizers. It is just that leftists have managed to maneuver their way into these positions and lie to gullible and uninformed workers so as to get them to support them.

    Redbaiter, I think the difference is that the left created the Unions, where as none of the other institutions you talk about were created by them merely taken over.

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  179. RightNow (6,919 comments) says:

    “RightNow how much of a last laugh is it when your members never get another job?”

    Frankly I just like to repeat the story whenever I get a chance as it highlights the thuggery of unions. Especially when I can point to the top of the building and explain why it says HAHAHA, and explain how much economic damage unions are capable of.

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  180. Pascal (2,015 comments) says:

    bchapman:

    Pascal- Whatever Brownlee has been doing for the film industry at the moment does eem to have been spectacularly unsuccessful. Where was he when ‘The Seeker’ got cancelled? Might be worth asking him what his department is doing to support NZ film.

    If you are suggesting he should have outlawed the union and had their members and associations deported for demonstrably sabotaging any benefit New Zealand could have had to the production, I would support you.

    But short of that, wouldn’t that be government interference in collective bargaining between an illegally registered union and a company?

    And wouldn’t that be … you know … double plus ungood?

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  181. Murray (8,843 comments) says:

    chapman doesn’t love big brother, chapman is ungood.

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  182. trueblue (23 comments) says:

    Gos, I got banned yesterday at Red Ablert by Clare for outing Colonial Viper as Loota and suggesting he was on her payroll in Dunedin, so much for OpenLabour, hypocritial cunts.

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  183. niggly (813 comments) says:

    Gosman, good on ya mate, you DESERVE a beer (for your efforts over at the Standard this morning)!

    (Apologies to Speights)!

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  184. trueblue (23 comments) says:

    Watch the Unions come and fuck this up as well.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/4259139/NZs-500m-superyacht-deals

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  185. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    I have been placed into official moderation at Red Alert.

    Failed Sycophancy 101 as well huh? Join the club.

    In fact, consider it a badge of honour.

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  186. Murray (8,843 comments) says:

    Amatures, I was banned before I even knew the site existed.

    Any minute now I might give a crap.

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  187. RightNow (6,919 comments) says:

    “Amatures” – nice self parody Murray.

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  188. Murray (8,843 comments) says:

    One has a reputation to live down to Right.

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  189. WebWrat (516 comments) says:

    Has anyone sent that fuckwit Helen Kelly a link to this post?
    Be nice to see her here for a chat.

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  190. kowtow (8,087 comments) says:

    Remember Helen Kelly threw the gauntlet down over the 90 day probation. I reckon this is part of union muscle flexing. They know the economy is in dire straits but ideology and class warfare comes first.

    NZ should remember those involved including Robyn (greenpeace,global warming) Malcolm.

    These people are playing a dangerous game with NZ’s standard of living.

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  191. WebWrat (516 comments) says:

    Peter Jackson looked absolutely gutted on the Walrus slot tonight.

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  192. WebWrat (516 comments) says:

    Don’t get in Helen Kelly’s way?
    Was Paul punished?
    http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/08/paul-henry-names-and-shames.html

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  193. Banana Llama (1,105 comments) says:

    Wow.

    Can’t say i would be impressed to find out that stupid bitch (a spade is a spade) just cost me and my co-workers our jobs.

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  194. LaoHu (8 comments) says:

    All the comments about the BNZ building in Wellington and the Boilermakers Union reminded me of a joke at that time.

    Q What is the difference between an engineer and a boilermaker?
    A The boilermaker is more thick.

    The joke related to the demarcation rules that said a member of the engineers union could weld steel up to a quarter inch and anything above that had to be welded by a member of the boilermakers union.

    Thanks to the BNZ debacle the boilermakers union went the way of the dodo as far as possible heavy steel welding was either designed out of NZ buildings or the work went off-shore

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