Kiwiblog tomorrow

November 25th, 2011 at 7:16 pm by David Farrar

The Electoral Act states in Paragraph (g) of Section 197(1) that it an offence at any time on polling day (before 7 pm) to publish any statement advising or intended or likely to influence any elector as to the candidate or party for whom the elector should or should not vote, or any statement advising or intended or likely to influence any elector to abstain from voting.

This means I will not be posting any material after midnight that could be seen as influencing any elector as to how to vote, or not to vote. I am asking all those who comment to do the same. The law should be interpreted broadly, so do not post comments tomorrow on any candidate, MP or party, current issues or policy.

It is not my intention to disable commenting, just as I don’t expect Trade Me will close down their forums for the day. If any commenter does post a comment that could be considered in breach, I will be happy to supply their e-mail address and IP address to the Electoral Commission. I will also delete the comment and suspend the account.

If a number of people act retarded and post stuff they should not, them I may stick moderation on for comments so they do not appear automatically. I’d rather not do that, unless necessary.

I’ve already voted. I voted today for National, for Paul Foster-Bell, for change, and for STV. Whether or not you vote the same as me, make sure you vote before 7 pm tomorrow.

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43 Responses to “Kiwiblog tomorrow”

  1. slijmbal (1,236 comments) says:

    “If a number of people act retarded and post stuff they should not, them I may stick moderation on for comments so they do not appear automatically. I’d rather not do that, unless necessary.”

    an invite for the left wing trolls to effectively shut down the site for a day?

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  2. reid (16,440 comments) says:

    Isn’t it a shame we politicos can’t discuss the tournament as its being played out. No other sport is like this. Democracy sucks.

    If I had a country I’d encourage the my use of those hypno-wheels during my elections.

    It’s not fair I can’t use them here.

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  3. tvb (4,416 comments) says:

    The rules are utterly unenforceable in the internet age. What next not being able to discuss politics.

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  4. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    You mean I’m not going to be able to say Phil Goff and Winston Peters suck [redacted] while they ream each others [redacted] and TV3/HOS lawyers take film evidence in case it’s private.

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  5. Fisiani (1,039 comments) says:

    I have a confession for Kiwiblog readers. I have been proud to become acquainted with Paul Foster-Bell who has run a great campaign in Wellington Central for National. He deserves to win and has a great chance of doing so. He is harder working than the incumbent. He is smarter than the incumbent. He is more talented than the incumbent.
    I believe in a brighter future that only a John Key led National government can deliver. Every vote counts and failure to vote could bring about the worst hangover nightmare possible. Back a great team and put your trust in Honest John.

    The tall poppy choppers and Hobbit haters could combine with the no chippies/no blazers Green zealots and the racists of Mana and the bare faced liar that is Winston and his drunken mates.

    Fisiani is a Chitumbuka (Malawian) word that means “If you want it , then go for it.”
    If you want a brighter future then choose it. Party Vote National

    (posted 20.08 25/11/11)

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  6. Pharmachick (235 comments) says:

    IMHO, this law is outdated, outmoded and ridiculous. Regardless of whether it needs changing, I guess it is there.

    DPF, if you really wanted to get around this you could simply move your blog host to an offshore server. Yes I know, not a trivial suggestion … but what to do when the law is an ass?

    [DPF: that would not affect my liability in anyway.]

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  7. Than (472 comments) says:

    @tvb – I wouldn’t want to test that in court. WhaleOil has been caught outside the law trying to claim blogs are an exception to the usual rules.

    IMO, a half day (midnight to 7pm) is a reasonable restriction on freedom of expression to give us a free and fair election. A few hours to let each individual decide for themselves how they want to vote, without politicians, journalists, or even blogs hounding them. Then once the votes are cast, the floodgates open and everybody can tell the other side they are wrong (and explain why) to their hearts content.

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  8. reid (16,440 comments) says:

    Fisiani doesn’t that need some sort of official stamp? How dare one corrupt Kiwiblog with political partisanship? What sort of people do you think we are?

    Psst: I’m undercover, trying to convince the floaters

    Party vote National (it’s the blue one).

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  9. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    Looking forward to tomorrow. Nachos and Lindauer on standby. Have a good weekend all.

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  10. Dave Mann (1,218 comments) says:

    Jolly good, DPF!

    Does the same apply to the stupid Labour Party (and Green Party) advertising that your site has been carrying for the last couple of months or so….? :)

    [DPF: That should cease tonight]

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  11. Steve (4,559 comments) says:

    What time tomorrow can we say “We won, you lost, eat shit?”

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  12. Pharmachick (235 comments) says:

    After 7 pm Steve, after 7 pm.

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  13. laworder (292 comments) says:

    If you are undecided and wish to make a purely policy based vote tommorrow, and have strong feelings about either retaining or repealing the Three Strikes law (that applies to repeat violent and sexual offenders), then the following may help you make a choice – either way

    Act Keep
    Conservative Keep
    Greens Repeal
    Labour Repeal
    Mana Repeal
    Maori Party Repeal
    National Keep
    NZ First Keep
    United Future Keep

    Personally I’d prefer Winston First kept out of Parliament myself

    Regards
    Peter J
    Webmaster for http://www.sensiblesentencing.org.nz

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  14. tas (625 comments) says:

    Wow. That law is retarded. I’m sorry, there is no other way to put it.

    It is illegal to talk about the election on election day. If I didn’t know better, I’d think it was satire.

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  15. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    Hope you have a good day DPF. I’m going to try and avoid the internet tomorrow, have avoided all the socialist crap in my facebook feed for the last fortnight. Even though I’m overseas I don’t plan to ruin your blog tomorrow, of course.

    Here in Melbourne, TV3 coverage is going to be on the A-PAC channel. While I expect disgraceful bias, I’ll take comfort knowing it won’t matter by then. A BBQ, beers, and at least 3 more years until NZ spirals into third world…

    I’ve already voted, National 2 ticks in Wigram which was the last electorate I lived in. Time for change in Wigram too!

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  16. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    I think you can talk about it tas, just don’t encourage anyone to vote in any particular way

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  17. damocles (83 comments) says:

    From what we’ve seen of unpleasant, sneaky, lying and unlawful tactics thus far in this election campaign, how can you expect the trolls to hang back from posting illegal comments on your blog tomorrow?

    Unless you want to spend the entire day scraping such pestiferous comments off the blog, you would be well advised to disable comments. The trollsters would love to see Kiwiblog hauled before the Electoral Commission for aiding and abetting …

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  18. ross (1,437 comments) says:

    > I believe in a brighter future that only a John Key led National government can deliver…

    And when the shit hits the fan, will you still believe this nonsense? Or will you admit you made a mistake?

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  19. Mary Rose (393 comments) says:

    Look on it like giving up something for Lent, guys, only 39+ days shorter.

    You CAN go 17 hours without calling anyone a lying (insert political slant here) scumbag if you try.

    Be gracious in defeat (Labour) and humble in victory (National).

    ;-)

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  20. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,752 comments) says:

    Thanks for the useful advice DPF. Better get some gloating in early before the midnight cut off.

    It will be 6.00 am here in the UK when the polls close. Then we can watch the fun roll in. Wonder if this referendum is going to slow down the results? They usually do.

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  21. polemic (460 comments) says:

    PS Just a quick Question ??

    Is a vote for Winston a wasted vote??? …….. :) :)

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  22. DeepScience (48 comments) says:

    Labour is never gracious in defeat. It would be cool if Phil would not repeat Helen’s “NZ is going to burn in fire because you didn’t vote for me” stupidity but I’m not holding out for a nice one.

    Back to topic, walk in a polling booth in Mt Roskill and all you see is huge red labour advertising stuck to people’s clothing. How come that isn’t exempt from some kind of size regulation at least?

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  23. Nicholas O'Kane (168 comments) says:

    OK, I’ll say while I can
    PARTY VOTE NATIONAL
    KEEP MMP

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  24. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    United Future happy to score some last minute undecided votes if there’s any out there.
    The safe sensible option alongside National.

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  25. ross (1,437 comments) says:

    Watching Labour’s and National’s closing addresses tonight was like comparing champagne with prune juice. Anyway, I am sure there are plenty of Nats who would like to see what a professional address looks like.

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  26. DeepScience (48 comments) says:

    This is a better video for you ross. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGQF8LAmiaE The colours are swapped for the political parties. Labour is living in fiscal denial, while National shows you the hard truth but allows us to start dealing with the problem not making it bigger. DEBT SUCKS.

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  27. lastmanstanding (1,293 comments) says:

    So until 11.59pm I have able to post the followng

    To Epsom Voters A constitutent vote for Paul G equals a Socialist lead plus Green NZ 1st Mana Government

    To Ohariu Belmont voters A vote other than for Peter equals a Socialist lead plus Green NZ 1st Mana Government

    Have I made myself clear to you bozos and morons.

    Now do you understand why MMP results in the dumb and the ignorant getting to elect out Government.

    Maybe just maybe and as a poster since 2003 under different guises DPF will forgive me for saying perhaps Adolf H had the right answer.

    OH god Godwins law will be reigned down upon me by the apologists

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  28. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Maori Party to be the kingmakers tomorrow. Unfortunately for Labour this government has treated them better than Labour ever did.

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  29. ross (1,437 comments) says:

    If debt sucks, then DeepScience you must be devastated to learn that National is borrowing $380 million a week.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10724665

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  30. Rightandleft (663 comments) says:

    I find this electoral law to be one of the worst I’ve ever heard of in a democratic society. I think freedom of speech is the most sacred of rights and should only be limited when it would lead to death or injury. Plenty of other democracies around the world with far more volatile politics than ours manage to hold elections without such sweeping police-state style restrictions. A law preventing people campaigning right outside polling places would be fine, but this law is way more than is necessary or ethical. I’m generally quite moderate and I don’t use hyperbole, but this one really gets to me.

    In any case I’ll say it while I legally can. As a centrist my first choice would be United Future, but as Dunne isn’t certain to hold Ohariu and even if he does he’s unilkely to win anything but an overhang seat, I’ll give my party vote to National. My main concern is keeping NZF and Mana well away from government. Although I’d also like to see the ACT train-wreck die at last. Oh, and keep MMP (with my second choice as STV).

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  31. Brian Marshall (202 comments) says:

    “Whether or not you vote the same as me, make sure you vote before 7 pm tomorrow.”. Here’s the thing David. On the right of the political divide we get comments like yours. On the left, we see comments that basically come down to don’t vote for anyone but our person or you’re an evil person who hates other people and is a selfish prick. That level of hate basically gives them the motive for the lies they print and say about the National and Act policies and to vandalise their bill boards.
    I’ll be voting with what I belive to be in the best interests of the country as a whole, and that may not be what’s best for me personally. I challenge all those thinking if voting for a leftist party to do the same, even if they end up voting for their original party choice.
    No matter who anyone votes for, the soldiers who fought or fought and died to defend our freedom to elect a government of our choosing, deserve the honour of our gratitude by our voting.

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  32. lastmanstanding (1,293 comments) says:

    My late and beloved father believed that the right to vote carried with an equal responsibility to know and understand what you were voting for.

    Otherwise he said you had the uniformed voting for the misleading to,create the uncertainity.

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  33. lastmanstanding (1,293 comments) says:

    Right now Agree 100% and thats why the Nats were smarter than the average bear to do a deal with them in 08.

    And why the Nats will do a deal with (hold my nose but understand) Wussel as insurance for 14.

    Its all about the long game

    PS Wussel is really a nice guy and I could ( hold my nose) support him in 14

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  34. Rat (383 comments) says:

    i have no problem supplying my IP, hey its your blog, your in control, you the one that gets punished

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  35. UrbanNeocolonialist (288 comments) says:

    Being in UK does that mean that I am still allowed to comment up until lunchtime NZ?

    We’re currently thinking about coming back to NZ after a few years abroad, but if Winston gets in I think that will definitely see us heading to Aus.

    Guess it’s not really that surprising that NZ has gone so left. Half a million working and predominantly right of centre kiwis have emigrated for greater opportunities, to be replaced by a large number of left of centre immigrants. Also no money in media jobs means that only socialist ideologues stay in the field beyond the point where they can jump ship and get into PR, and low pay in Journalism coupled to a sense of superiority means that envy drives strong leftist sentiment.

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  36. badmac (136 comments) says:

    Does this mean simply that you can post no new stuff, or that DPF aka Kiwiblog must take down all content that can be accessed by people which purports to get them to vote one way or another (ie almost every thread). I mean election adds and holdings must be removed, but they existed before midnight, so why does a blog, tweet, or Facebook page get different rules? I can still see/find/search for them, or get them from google cache on Saturday.

    And if rules actually mean making it unavailable, then what about all the left blogs. I note nzherald removed all political content from web at midnight (not sure about searching).

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  37. Put it away (2,878 comments) says:

    So… how about that…. local sports team.

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  38. Put it away (2,878 comments) says:

    I wonder if phool could post a political endorsement on his blog today and present a defence that absolutely no-one reads it?

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  39. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    There’s a sale at Harvey Normans!!!!!!!

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  40. Lindsay Addie (1,505 comments) says:

    I’ve got a NZIM business management exam this morning…..

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  41. tas (625 comments) says:

    DPF: Will you tell us how many comments you deleted by 7pm?

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  42. CharlieBrown (1,011 comments) says:

    Am I breaking the law by saying this particular law is socialist bull crap and anybody of influence that had the opportunity to change the law but didn’t are useless r-tards?

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  43. Rat (383 comments) says:

    Lindsay @7:50

    good luck

    bad news is that NZIM means fuck all

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