This will not help

November 16th, 2011 at 11:42 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Prime Minister has refused to answer reporter’s questions about the ‘tea tapes’ and stormed out of a press conference in Wellington.

National had dug its heels in over the publication of the recording, with Key saing he cannot remember if he suggested NZ First supporters are dying out.

I can understand the frustration that for four days media have been writing stories on the illegally recorded conversation, but if the Stuff report is correct, this will just keep it in the news even longer. Yes it would be nice if the media actually reported on policies and how France is about to get downgraded due to its history of deficits and debt – but one has to accept the media as they are, not how we would like them to be.

The suggested comments about NZ First are of course correct. Peters gets very little support from younger New Zealanders, and hence his potential voting base does shrink every election. I doubt there isn’t a political reporter in the country who hasn’t said something similar in a private conversation.

Worth noting that it was not a press conference, but a media stand-up after talking to Federated Farmers on trade, and announcing National’s trade policy. The defence will be that as there were no more questions about trade, the PM left, but the media will report it in the most sensational terms.

UPDATE: TV3 video is here. I’m not sure one can describe it as storming out, but predict nevertheless that is how every outlet will report it. That doesn’t mean I think it was a good idea, because the media reaction was predictable.

I wonder if all those on the left who have railed against TV3 and Mediaworks time after time as being “brought off” by the Government might have the good grace to say they were wrong, considering the role of TV3 in keeping this issue alive.

UPDATE2: Looking at the TV news last night TVNZ did a balanced report on the issue, while TV3 hyped it up as their lead item, and probably will do the same tonight. There comes a point where you wonder how many days in a row they will continue with their campaign.

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108 Responses to “This will not help”

  1. Nick R (505 comments) says:

    I don’t believe for a second that the PM “can’t remember” what he said to John Banks. That’s the problem now. This isn’t about what’s on the tape. It’s about how the PM has chosen to react. It’s now a story entirely of his own making, and it is getting worse because he is making it worse.

    It is made more serious because the PM is nearly the entire focus of the Government’s campaign. The TV ads say “John Key and National”, in that order.

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  2. queenstfarmer (764 comments) says:

    This is bizzare. Is Key trying to throw the election???

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  3. Nigel (509 comments) says:

    There is to long to the election to muddle along, they’ve got to release the tape or risk Labour getting real traction due to Key’s “aura” of credibility being shattered.
    What astounds me is they would have talked about Brash in such a public place & also disparaged Peter’s supporters like that, not particularly Prime Ministerial I have to say.

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  4. anonymouse (709 comments) says:

    What I find more interesting is the growing number of comments Winston is making,

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10766363
    “Mr Peters told Radio New Zealand this morning he was privy to the conversation”

    Either the HoS or TV3 have given Winston a copy/transcript/extract, and given that the HoS appears to be keeping its head down, my immediate suspicion would be TV3, who appeared to be offering up a copy of the transcript yesterday.

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  5. dime (9,796 comments) says:

    lol i heard someone on ZB this morning suggest that winston got 4.07% of the vote last time but a chunk of those people would now be dead. Cant remember if it was Hooten or Hosking.

    Ive looked at it from both sides and have come to the conclusion that our media is just shit.

    If this “secret” recording had happened during the 2002 election and had involved clarke, i guess i would have been hopeful it was something bad, knowing deep down it wouldnt be.

    Im just over the media creating their own copy. Maybe if NZ was a bit bigger we would have some better journalists. Cause the current crop are just hacks.

    As for what Key does now – not sure. maybe steal the heralds thunder and tell us what was on it the day of the next big debate. steal some of goofballs thunder. maybe 2 hours before the debate just to mess with goofballs strategy.

    zack guildford must be happy, its taken some of the spotlight off him. although the media wont be happy until hes ruined. just scumbags.

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  6. Bevan (3,923 comments) says:

    This is unbelievable. Key & his media advisers have dropped the ball on this big time.

    His responses should have been:

    Re: NZ First voters dieing off: “Of course I said that, but my phrase was intended the same as his support drying up – not about his supporters actually dieing. Similar to if I said Labour’s support is dieing off”.

    Re: Don Brash: “Well it would help Act become more electable”.

    The next few polls are going to be interesting, the media have clearly turned against National & Key – they will have an uphill battle now. I wonder whats happening over at iPredict?

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  7. Unsolicitedious (13 comments) says:

    The media has been behaving like tossers – the privacy concerns are important but contents are irrelevant. Media sources have often breached people’s privacy then retracted & apologised later. If there had been anything of real interest on the tapes it would have already been published. But I suppose we don’t want to let the obvious get in the way of a good story.

    And Key didn’t storm out – that is just child’s talk. He left because Garner like the sap he is when he thinks he’s being a ‘real’ reporter, kept asking the same questions over & over & clearly wasn’t interested in discussing real issues. Honestly that style of ‘reporting’ (I use the term loosely) is just pathetic…..almost as bad as when they go ‘live’.

    Honestly DPF I am not sure why continue to add to this BS? If you are really concerned about the issue then why not turn the tables on the media? Why not throw different scenarios into the equation and then see how people like it.

    Say you have taped conversations of Garner, Smalley & Campbell from the Qantas Film & TV awards – it is the same principle. They are public personalities & that was a public event covered by the media. Yet if some scrappy freelancer storm-chaser dodgy ex cop put a mic on their tables & sold the contents to the Herald you can guarantee there would be hell to pay.

    So why shouldn’t politicians be able to have the same courtesy extended to them? Having a conversation where you might be overheard is completely different to having it secretly taped then the contents sold to the media. Overhearing stuff is just hearsay, means nothing. But a taped conversation is completely different.

    I hope the police follow through & THEN Key releases the contents so all the media banging on about it & Goff & his monkeys can once again be shown to look like the morons they are.

    Dime – Key needs to get the police to charge the dickhead/s then release the contents to the competition….that would put the shits up the Herald big time!

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  8. Dave22 (15 comments) says:

    I am struggling with the Nat strategy; if the tape is bland just release it so we can move onto some important election issues. The story would be dead by lunchtime!! Surely Key and his team have worked out the media are like a dog with bone in this country. If he doesn’t release it then the only conclusion that can be made is that he is embarrassed by something on it. All this crap about it being a private conversation is a load of BS, if the PM wants to have a private conversation there are a lot of meeting rooms he could have chosen. He was in a public café and invited a throng of media.

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  9. davidp (3,576 comments) says:

    In the UK a newspaper was illegally accessing voicemail. There was an uproar from the rest of the media and the public and the newspaper was shut down. The owners seem to spend half their lives explaining themselves to parliament. Some newspaper staff have been arrested. No one has called for the voicemails to be transcribed and published.

    In NZ a newspaper has illegally bugged two politicians. The media and other politicians seem to be reveling in the illegality. There isn’t an iota of ethics to be seen. No action has been taken against the newspaper or the media involved.

    It’s pretty poor when the NZ media and opposition politicians have less ethics than a grubby British tabloid.

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  10. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,870 comments) says:

    Au contraire. It’s high time the media were put in their place. They really are the pits. A lot of juvenile little gossip mongers with nothing better to do than run around scratching for dirt. No wonder Joh Bjelke-Petersen called them ‘chooks.’

    John Key did exactly the right thing and the vast majority of New Zealanders will be pleased he did.

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  11. Unsolicitedious (13 comments) says:

    P.s Nigel – I agree. It wont change my vote (the alternatives are too awful to even consider), but it does surprise me that, if that is what was said, they would say such things in such a public place. Gossiping in your tea break or by the water cooler is one thing, but at your own photo opportunity is just stupidity.

    Having said that it is a far cry from the likes of Trevor Mallard who calls voters “fucking stupid” on twitter (see Whale oil – he has been keeping track).

    Key may forget to play the game occasionally but if you are going to hold the test of morality against any of them then Labour & the likes of Winston are as dodgy as you can get.

    davidp & Adolf Fiinkensein – well said. The legality – or lack thereof – is the real issue.

    Only in NZ eh – bit like Bradford dissing Norman because he dobbed his own members in for breaking the law.

    Interesting what people prioritise!!!

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  12. Lazybum (259 comments) says:

    We are rapidly heading into the abyss, a Lab/Gre/NZF/Native co-alition government.
    In the end ACT will have destroyed the National led government.

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  13. dime (9,796 comments) says:

    Unsolicitedious – yeah my first thought was – id give the story to the competition. just not sure he wants to pick a long term fight with the herald.

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  14. Inventory2 (10,267 comments) says:

    I’ve just watched video of the “storm out” on the 3News website; what an absolute beat-up.

    And let’s not forget that it was 3News which ran (and ran, and ran, and ran) the stories based on tapes made illegally at the 2008 National Party conference. The MSM has lost its objectivity in the last few days, if it had any.

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  15. Lance (2,628 comments) says:

    So people will change their vote to Labour because KJ becomes pissed off the mindless pack of cockroaches pretending to be media?

    If so then NZ deserves to be fucked over.

    I suspect otherwise though. The media are so far up their own arses they think they can make a difference but the general populous is not so easily fooled.
    If he punched one of them out, that might create a new story AND increase KJ’s popularity.

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  16. vibenna (305 comments) says:

    It’s a storm in a teacup.

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  17. Scott Chris (6,036 comments) says:

    David Farrar says:- “considering the role of TV3 in keeping this issue alive.”

    The story is in no need of life support, *if* what John Key is alleged to have said is true – from a media perspective at least.

    On the other hand, a flip comment like that was appropriate within the context of a private conversation, so fair minded people should see it as such IMO.

    It was a harmless, if somewhat careless attempt at humour – a kind of ice breaker really, tailored to Banks’ sympathies, not the general public’s.

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  18. leftyliberal (642 comments) says:

    Key could have handled that media conference a lot better so agreed with the title of this post: this will not help. Hardly a storm out though, but not a good impression to leave in the way he did – he was clearly (and understandably) frustrated at the line of questioning.

    This silly story has momentum and at the moment Key is not really helping in any way. He missed his opportunity to diffuse the situation early on and at this point any such diffusion will seem insincere. I suspect his only option now is to get the tape out there and then explain it away as best he can, otherwise it’s just going to hound him for the next 10 days.

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  19. Mary Rose (393 comments) says:

    General election in a matter of days and the major topics of debate are vandalised billboards (who knew what?) and a storm over a teacup (who said what).

    Good grief.

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  20. thedavincimode (6,627 comments) says:

    Nookin/FES

    Would it mitigate exposure to criminal charges against Ambrose/TV3 and the Herald if Key did in fact reveal the substance of the discussion or release the tape?

    In reality that is an effective waiver of his privacy after the event. How is that to be regarded from a criminal law perspective?

    Might this be why they are pushing him on this?

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  21. adze (2,093 comments) says:

    Tim Watkin was on the panel on RadioNZ yesterday afternoon – his argument that the recording is fair game because the media were invited and “you can’t turn the media off and on like a tap”. In other words, he either believes that there is a quid pro quo relationship between media and political/celebrity figures where they get the spotlight in exchange for the risk of being caught out by means fair or foul; or that once invoked, the media becomes a sort of force of nature that ceases to have any ethical constraints. I see problems with both explanations.

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  22. Lindsay Addie (1,404 comments) says:

    I’m with IV2 on re a beat-up.

    This StormInATeaCupGate really is a big yawn. Garner seems to be confirming that he really is a tosser.

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  23. Paulus (2,602 comments) says:

    Hooray – the Tall Poppy has been chopped, and it only cost I believe TV3 $100,000.

    Finally we know who is running the election and the country – DAS MEDIA.

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  24. James Stephenson (2,145 comments) says:

    I don’t believe for a second that the PM “can’t remember” what he said to John Banks.

    Why not? I can’t remember what I talked about with my colleagues over coffee on Monday…maybe something about the cricket, dunno.

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  25. Bevan (3,923 comments) says:

    This election is reminding me of the RWC quarter final. The Saffa’s (Nats) have long been favoured to win, but with the Ref (Journalists) on the Aussies (Labour) side its not looking a sure thing.

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  26. Pete George (23,436 comments) says:

    “because the media were invited”

    Were they? Wasn’t the media hounding Key and Brash about having a cafe meeting for days beforehand?

    If the media weren’t invited they wouldn’t have gone?

    Yeah, right.

    And on not remembering specifically what was said, do you have any idea how many conversations the PM (or any candidate) has during a campaign? It’s not possible to remember them all verbatim let alone in general.

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  27. gopolks (52 comments) says:

    Who was the Journo that keep asking Key the same question before he stormed out.

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  28. XChequer (298 comments) says:

    Yeah.

    Doesn’t look good.

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  29. Rick Rowling (809 comments) says:

    (1) Release the transcript exclusively to Fairfax so the Herald doesn’t benefit.

    (2) Declare “game on”.

    (3) Set the VRWNLLW conspirators out to “accidentally” record every conversation that Goff, Little, Cunliffe, Curren, Parker etc have from now ’till election day. Leak said conversations.

    (4) When they squeal, replay their cries of “it’s in the public interest” and ask if they are at all hypocritical.

    (5) End

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  30. 3-coil (1,215 comments) says:

    gopolks (12:42pm) – the chubby one? he is TV3’s Duncan Garner.

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  31. IHStewart (388 comments) says:

    ” UPDATE2: Looking at the TV news last night TVNZ did a balanced report on the issue, while TV3 hyped it up as their lead item, and probably will do the same tonight. There comes a point where you wonder how many days in a row they will continue with their campaign. ”

    They will run with it until Key closes the issue down in a credible way. This is the first time they have managed to get him on the run and they are loving it. An inconvenient time for his political honeymoon to come to an end.

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  32. peterwn (3,239 comments) says:

    I do not want to cop 10 demerits so I will not say what John Key should tell the media over the teacups business. Well, I could paraphrase it as ‘go forth and multiply’.

    As I said elsewhere i think John is having as much fun with the media over the teacups business as an angler at Red Hutt Pool.

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  33. RightNow (6,973 comments) says:

    I back Key’s handling of that 100%

    I expect Garner to be taking up his new job with Women’s Weekly after the election.

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  34. Spam (588 comments) says:

    UPDATE2: Looking at the TV news last night TVNZ did a balanced report on the issue, while TV3 hyped it up as their lead item, and probably will do the same tonight. There comes a point where you wonder how many days in a row they will continue with their campaign.

    Hence what I just posted at WhaleOil:
    Yesterday, I took TV3 news off series link. Small protest I know, but I am completely sick of their focus on scandal and innuendo. It seems like a pretty obvious conclusion that they tell us they have a transcript of thepot tapes, then interview Winston Peters on whether he knows anything about them. Nnext night there is extensive coverage of Peters at a candidates meeting telling people what’s on them.

    There is reporting, and there is smearing. They’re in the gutter, as far as I’m concerned.

    If their really is something to report in those tapes, then man-up and publish them. If not, then shut-up and focus on policy. I want to make informed decisions on election day, not ones based on that sort of crap.

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  35. ross (1,437 comments) says:

    Well, Matthew Hooton said this morning, before Key’s walk-out, that this issue was damaging Key. And the head of Grey Power didn’t seem too impressed with Key’s reported comments. He indicated that elderly voters might not be so impressed with Mr Nice Guy.

    And to think, this whole episode could’ve have been avoided if National had simply decided not to stand a candidate in Epsom. But I expect that National won’t suffer too much electoral damage, though they could lose a few seats as a result.

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  36. s.russell (1,601 comments) says:

    Or is it the media that will look bad? It depends on whether people are stupid or not. I’m kinda undecided on that one…

    So, how many people have now heard the secret tape that the HoS swore not to reveal?

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  37. ross (1,437 comments) says:

    > If not, then shut-up and focus on policy.

    When Key turns up to a press conference to talk soley about policy, you know something isn’t right. :)

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  38. cctrfred (42 comments) says:

    Just to offer a theory about this: who is the media talking about? John Key, John Banks, Winston Peters. So there’s more publicity for National and Act who need votes and for NZ First who may get more votes but (hopefully) still stay under 5%, and hence waste votes in opposition to National/Act. Who loses votes? Probably Labour and the Greens. Overall this is a bit embarrassing for John Key but it keeps him in the media focus and keeps Phil Goff, Labour and the Greens out of the media focus.

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  39. applecrumble (2 comments) says:

    Having now seen the video, this is a massive beat up – all I see is a very patient John Key responding as politely as possible to an impolite journalist, and then moving right along. It was hardly a formal ‘press conference’, just a few opportune questions answered at the end of the Federated Farmers meeting.

    I first heard of this on ZB where the reporter said he “stormed” out of a press conference. I thought at the time this was very out of character for John Key, and having now seen the video, it is obviously yet another exaggeration by a reporter. I do wish they would stick to the facts.

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  40. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    I’m overseas but watching the election with interest. Key has no leg to stand on with this, forget the spin about the “illegal recording” everyone in the NZ media knows what is said on the tape, as do we over here (I will not get our host into trouble by revealing anything of course) surely the voters in Epsom and elsewhere in the country also deserve to be appraised of what the PM really thinks.

    ACT were always a liabilty for National which is why the meeting with Banks was such a mistake. However even I did not think it would be a “Devon Loch” moment.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devon_Loch

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  41. Scott Chris (6,036 comments) says:

    thedavincimode:- “Would it mitigate exposure to criminal charges against Ambrose/TV3 and the Herald if Key did in fact reveal the substance of the discussion or release the tape?”

    Hmm, sounds like a feasible excuse. I think Key should use it. Good thinking Dav.

    So all Key has to say is that revealing the contents of the tape would be interfering with the course of justice.

    Brilliant.

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  42. Nookin (3,273 comments) says:

    It is really quite astonishing that the tea tape is now being used as an indictment on John Key. Quite the opposite should be the case. It is an indictment on the news media and, particularly, on the leader of the opposition.

    Phil Goff is clamouring for the Prime Minister to come clean and disclose what was discussed. I have yet to see any comment by Golf on the means by which any information relating to the conversation came to the public notice. Goff was very quick to condemn Sam Mahon on the painting of the “deceased” Prime Minister. He has not however made any suggestion that the cameraman, Herald on Sunday and TV 3 have acted improperly. Worse, he actively uses information that he knows was obtained legally for his own political agenda.

    Based on the information at hand, I think of it reasonably easy to conclude that the tape was made unlawfully.
    Section 216 B Crimes Act 1961 provides that everyone is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years who intentionally intercepts any private communication by means of an interception device.

    Relevant definitions are copied below:
    “intercept, in relation to a private communication, includes hear, listen to, record, monitor, acquire, or receive the communication either—
    (a) while it is taking place; or
    (b) while it is in transit
    interception device—
    (a) means any electronic, mechanical, electromagnetic, optical, or electro-optical instrument, apparatus, equipment, or other device that is used or is capable of being used to intercept a private communication; but
    (b) does not include—
    (i) a hearing aid or similar device used to correct subnormal hearing of the user to no better than normal hearing; or
    (ii) a device exempted from the provisions of this Part by the Governor-General by Order in Council, either generally or in such places or circumstances or subject to such other conditions as may be specified in the order
    private communication—
    (a) means a communication (whether in oral or written form or otherwise) made under circumstances that may reasonably be taken to indicate that any party to the communication desires it to be confined to the parties to the communication; but
    (b) does not include such a communication occurring in circumstances in which any party ought reasonably to expect that the communication may be intercepted by some other person not having the express or implied consent of any party to do so.]]”

    As far as the cameraman is concerned, it seems to me that the only real issue is the question of “intention” and the excuses proffered so far are so implausible as to defy belief and that is even before we learn that his request to recover the item did not occur until after the cup of tea finished.

    Section 216 C makes it an offence to disclose, intentionally, the private communication, the substance, meaning or purport of the communication or any part of it.

    It is also an offence to disclose the existence of the communication.

    I expect that Herald on Sunday will plead that it thought it was an accidental recording. If that is the case, and HOS honestly believed it to be accidental, then there is probably no impediment to disclosure. I think the Herald on Sunday is being particularly economical with the truth. There can be no excuse for TV 3. In blunt terms, if this is not criminal, it is, at least, trash journalism.

    I have read 2 articles – one by Tracy Watkins and the other by John Harteveldt. I do not have the links because I read them when I was in Christchurch and did not bookmark them. Tracy Watkins was clearly of the view that Key has nothing to complain about.

    Harteveldt could not support the actions of the cameraman.

    Both of them however said that Key was asking for trouble by going to the police. The veiled suggestion was clearly that the wrath of the Press would descend upon the Prime Minister if he had the temerity to make a complaint about a criminal offence.

    It is clear that the wrath is now descending on the Prime Minister. Interviewing a victim of the News of the World activities was an absolute nonsense. So was interviewing the lawyer involved. That lawyer thought that the recording was “good journalism”. I wonder if he had been informed that it was actually a criminal offence in New Zealand? I doubt it.

    Key did not pretend that this was on the same scale as News of the World. He made the comparison because in principle we have the news media engaging in criminal activity in order to make a story and then condemning the victim of a criminal activity for having the temerity for sticking up to his rights. In effect, this is the thin edge of the wedge.

    It reminds me of the story about somebody asking a well-to-do lady if she would sleep with him for $1,000,000. She agreed. He then asked “what about five dollars?” to which she replied “what do you think I am – a prostitute?”. He responded by saying that they had already established that and they were simply haggling over the price.
    It is not enough for the news media to say that they are not engaging in criminal activity because they are only doing it “a little bit”. Criminal activity is criminal activity. The severity of that activity goes to the punishment.

    Goff’s approach should come under closer scrutiny than has been the case. The news media is allowing him to run amok with the story. Instead, he should be damned.
    The argument that the Labour Party is prepared to rely on criminal or at least morally reprehensible activities in order to advance its political cause is now almost incontrovertible.
    1. Labour was content to crucify Don Brash based on “leaked” e-mail. For “leaked” read “stolen”.
    2. Labour stoutly defended Philip Field and, in my view, discouraged bringing him to account by establishing the toothless Ingram enquiry. They only sacked him because he had the bad grace to threaten to stand for another party. They have yet to apologise.
    3. The pledge card – $850,000 plus the subsequent validation. Need I say more?
    4. The Electoral Finance Act and the Exclusive Brethren – politically motivated legislation.
    5. Winston Peters and the donation of $100,000 – Labour voted en bloc to reject the most compelling evidence that Peters had misled Parliament. They had to stand by their mate. He was the only one keeping them in office.
    6. Goff was part of the honey trap that led to Richard Worth’s resignation. His condemnation of Worth was instantaneous and relentless. Not only did Goff withhold the information that he said he had, he also withheld the information that the complainant was a Labour Party activist who had consulted him and he knew what was going on all along. He was lying by omission.
    7. When police started investigating Darren Hughes Goff decided that the presumption of innocence prevailed. However, when the existence of the investigation became public, Goff decided that it was politically expedient for Hughes to disappear from office. He tried to explain his hypocrisy over his position relating to Worth compared to Hughes by saying that he was wrong with Worth and realised the fact subsequently. I called bullshit on that. He was being a charlatan over his principles (if he has any).
    8. Goff has flip-flopped on asset sales, Capital Gains Tax and raising the retirement age. He flounced about the country in his big bright “Axe the Tax” Bus (taxpayers expense?) and then sheepishly acknowledged that he had no intention of axing the tax. Far from it – he is going to impose a new one.
    9. His performance on the beach in the Bay Of Plenty can only be likened to kissing babies. Cheap superficial politicking. While he took every opportunity to condemn the government, he has not once said that what he would or could have done that was any different and, it now appears, that his criticism was wholly unjustified. Sure, Key may have been a few days late and arriving on the beach but I think that we can reasonably expect that had he arrived there on the day, he would have been accused of seeking cheap photo opportunities ( a la Goff).

    New Zealand is being very badly served by a superficial news media fronted by third-grade actors/actresses who would not get a job on a soap opera. They know and we know that the conversation between Key & Banks was private and that there were bound to have been flippant comments or digs made. Of course that happens. To make that the most newsworthy story of an election campaign shows that the news media has not the slightest appreciation or interest in what this country really wants to know at the moment.

    From my perspective, Goff has disqualified himself altogether from any leadership role. He cannot be trusted. His principles are so bending that the only conclusion is that his overriding motivator is gaining and retaining power.

    I hope the police step in and prosecute. I hope they issue a warrant on HOS and TV 3 and recover the illegally made tape and I hope (rather forlornly I fear) that the electorate will show what it thinks of politicians who are prepared to act in such an unprincipled and hypocritical manner

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  43. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    Oh and ps, if our host’s friend Whale Oil had a tape of a left wing politician he claimed was “accidently” recorded would Mr Farrar be backward about linking to a transcript?

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  44. GPT1 (2,116 comments) says:

    I see stuff is up to “teapot tantrum”. It might have been bad politics but is a long way from a tantrum.

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  45. hmmokrightitis (1,585 comments) says:

    Good god, ‘stormed out’? Really? FFS, no he didnt. Doesnt want to discuss want Garner is questioning him about, an illegal recording, and so politely ends the stand up and moves along.

    What next, “Key is a wrecker and a hater”?

    I suspect the Herald will release, and that the right fucking norman who deliberately recorded it will struggle to find work in this country again – the Herald will certainly not go near him again, and it was certainly deliberate, not accidental. If accidental, then delete it, not hand it over. And if either outlet, Herald or TV3 has released details to winston the OAP, are they now in breach of the Police order?

    The herald should hang its head in shame – gutter tactics that I suspect will be revealed in the fullness of time. If people are so fucking stupid as to change their vote based on the outcome of an illegally recorded private conversation, then their mothers should stop dressing them funny.

    God, we are about to go into an election, can the media please – and yes you Garner, FFS, we went to school together, you were an arse then, please try harder now to deliver news, not shite – focus on what is important. Besides, the lack of oxygen for goofy might mean he explodes, and thats just too yucky to even contemplate

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  46. Mark (1,471 comments) says:

    “davidp (2,080) Says:
    November 16th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
    In the UK a newspaper was illegally accessing voicemail. There was an uproar from the rest of the media and the public and the newspaper was shut down. The owners seem to spend half their lives explaining themselves to parliament. Some newspaper staff have been arrested. No one has called for the voicemails to be transcribed and published.

    In NZ a newspaper has illegally bugged two politicians. The media and other politicians seem to be reveling in the illegality. There isn’t an iota of ethics to be seen. No action has been taken against the newspaper or the media involved.

    It’s pretty poor when the NZ media and opposition politicians have less ethics than a grubby British tabloid.”

    davidp get a grip. Key orchestrated the cup of tea as a media event and got taped, whether illegally or not has yet to be determined and given that no one has published it one wonders what the crime may be. It is nothing like what went on in Britain. Key has now, through his own stupidity, made this an issue when there wasn’t one. I would like him to pull his head out his butt and get back on track. National has a good track record and Key needs to keep delivering that message, explain the rationale of the asset sales and debt reduction.

    You have to wonder whether he is hell bent on single handedly putting NZ First into Parliament

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  47. thedavincimode (6,627 comments) says:

    Nookin

    Have you got a view re my 12:31 pm?

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  48. Black with a Vengeance (1,787 comments) says:

    dunno whether my headline would be…

    Donut Garner grows a pair

    or

    Key has waaaahmbulance on permanent standby

    what do you gus think ?

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  49. RightNow (6,973 comments) says:

    I go for ‘Donut Garner grows another pair… of tits’

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  50. burt (8,201 comments) says:

    sonic (Winston ?)

    Oh and ps, if our host’s friend Whale Oil had a tape of a left wing politician he claimed was “accidently” recorded would Mr Farrar be backward about linking to a transcript?

    The Whale had endless amounts of information that should have been private from Labour when they left database backups and membership donation details in plain view on their website. – He didn’t release them….

    Actually sonic, talking about members donations – got your “NO” sigh ready ?

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  51. wreck1080 (3,858 comments) says:

    Key is going down.

    I reckon he was plotting a coup against Brash, with the secret assistance of the exclusive brethren.

    The thing is, the opposition can say anything they like about what is in the tapes. It sounds like a big conspiracy theory now, that John Key is secretly up to screw over the people of New Zealand and make himself and his mates richer.

    Who’d have thought a dodgy camera guy will have decided the results of the next election.

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  52. Nigel (509 comments) says:

    I just watched the video, whatever is on that tape there is no way it should have been said in such a scripted location. It’s not about the tape anymore, it’s about credibility & handling of the issue.
    About now we find out just what John Key is really made of, so far he’s handled crisis well, but that was a debacle of a media conference & the Media smell blood, they won’t give up & nor should they at this point.
    P.S. I though Key looked nervous and frankly not in control, their next 24 hours media mgmt for National is critical IMHO.

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  53. dime (9,796 comments) says:

    i heard the press conference on radio live (willie jackson is pretty excited). didnt seem that bad.

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  54. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    ” got your “NO” sigh ready ?”

    Sorry Burt lost me there…

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  55. Black with a Vengeance (1,787 comments) says:

    ‘Donut Garner grows another pair… of tits’

    haha…i genuinely lold

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  56. DavidC (179 comments) says:

    The cops should grow a pair and charge the cameraman.

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  57. ross (1,437 comments) says:

    > Who’d have thought a dodgy camera guy will have decided the results of the next election.

    Well, if you think that, you’re in dreamland. Sure, it will cost National a few seats at best but that’s about all.

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  58. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    Mark it’s been said before but just to repeat. The scandal over the News of the World was not that they had been bugging politicians, which would have been nothing unusual in UK tabloid culture. Or that they had accessed private information on the affairs of MP’s, the whole expenses scandal was a result of the Daily Telegraph paying for stolen information.

    The News of the World hacked the phone of a murdered teenager then deleted messages so they could get more stories.

    I’d respectfully suggest that Teacupgate is hardly in the same league.

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  59. Black with a Vengeance (1,787 comments) says:

    The cops should grow a pair and charge the cameraman.

    with what…batons and riot shields ?

    bit of an over reaction to a bland conversation Key is so obviously relaxed about, don’t ya think ?

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  60. Dave22 (15 comments) says:

    Key and National have let this grow to more than it should be. The issue politically is not how the tape was obtained but the fact there is one and how to deal with that. For the record I think how it was obtained is underhanded, scummy and illegal.

    They could kill the story! Make HOS and TV3 look like Muppet’s by releasing the tape and this should not lose any voters. This of course assumes there is nothing damaging on the tape.

    They can continue with the current line that the tape is bland and it was recorded illegally etc. This assumes that swing voters are going to believe Key that what he said was bland! The problem with voters and especially swing voters is that they are more likely to believe the media than a politician despite the fact both probably make up as much crap as each other. Therefore this strategy is likely to lose a few votes in my view.

    One assumes the National strategists have looked at these two scenarios too, and therefore the swing voting public could take from the way National is handling it they strategy two will lose less votes than strategy one. This is an election so you do whatever you think wins the most votes after all.

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  61. david (2,552 comments) says:

    Key can’t back down and authorise playing the tape now for the simple reason that he has taken a stand and would be smeared as having been bulldozed by the media. Any future chance he might have to take a position or stand on principle would be shot to pieces. No, he has to demonstrate now that when he says he will do something, he means it and will see it through.

    For too long the media have blackmailed pretty well everyone who they feel has crossed them by virtue of their unfettered power over public opinion and if John Key wants to draw a line in the sand I am right behind him.

    Already we see the sneering by the press in a sort of OK we will show you who has the power here with their descriptions of his departure from the stand-up as “storming out” and “tantrum”.

    Barry Soper is rapidly crapping in his own nest with his unqualified support for the cameraman, willingness to ignore the law and constant harping on that “if there was nothing there Key should withdraw the complaint and let the tape be aired” He for one wouldn’t know a principled stand if it reared up and kicked him in the teeth (which it may very well do).

    Like others here I cannot believe that our media talent wouldn’t fill a carpark puddle on a good day and this is not one of their better ones. Few will emerge from this with credit.

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  62. wreck1080 (3,858 comments) says:

    @ross : national are barely scraping by on 50%…on election day, it is the case this usually falls a little further than polls suggest.

    Act / Peter Dunne are looking shaky, and the maori parties natural ally is labour.

    So , national are not going to win easily by any means as it is.

    An issue such as secret tapes inspire conspiracy theorists to come up with all sorts of zany ideas, enough to swing maybe juset 1 or 2% of nitwit voters.

    And, this , could make the difference between winning and losing.

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  63. BlairM (2,314 comments) says:

    I can’t believe the wet sops on here who are supposedly Right leaning and are complaining about John Key, who has done absolutely nothing wrong.

    The media have behaved appallingly. How dare they tape a private conversation illegally, and then pretend that the public have a right to know the contents. Absolute bullshit! Everyone, including politicians, have a right to privacy.

    John Key is absolutely doing the right thing by refusing to play a part in giving it more oxygen. If the media want to throw a tantrum over it then tough shit.

    It is times like these that I wish that NZ had a Fox News equivalent, because this sort of bad behaviour would be ripped to shreds by Hannity et al in the US.

    As for ACT, I would love them to disown Banks and ask for people to vote for Brash in North Shore, but I guess that’s not going to happen.

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  64. s.russell (1,601 comments) says:

    I am put in mind of the infamous Corngate interview of Helen Clark by John Campbell.

    Tell me again, who came out of that looking bad?

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  65. grumpy (255 comments) says:

    There is a way out;

    Key invites a press conference and simply says “you think you know what was said, well, just ask me some questions ön those topics you think we discussed and I’ll answer them”

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  66. DJP6-25 (1,362 comments) says:

    Rick Rowling 12:44 pm Sounds like a plan. It’s implementation would require more intestinal fortitude than the Tories have though.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  67. Batman (103 comments) says:

    Stuff has now moved on to describing Key as having “tea strain”, I nearly went down to their offices and gunned down the pun loving douche who put that in there!

    but seriously, good on the PM for effectively telling the media to fuck off with asking the same damn question over and over again. However I see that after the second photo opp back at parliament, Danya Levy has said on twitter that Key considers the matter to be “not important to New Zealanders” when he didn’t say anything of a sort.

    AAAHHHHH I’M STARTING TO GET A CONSPIRACY THEORY COMPLEX!!

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  68. grumpyoldhori (2,361 comments) says:

    What, some of you are arguing that self serving politicians should have the same protection from the media as the parents of Brits who lost their sons in Afghanistan.

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  69. Bevan (3,923 comments) says:

    <i.I am put in mind of the infamous Corngate interview of Helen Clark by John Campbell.

    Tell me again, who came out of that looking bad?

    Both of them!

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  70. East Wellington Superhero (1,151 comments) says:

    Holy shit.

    I’m listening to Phill Goff on Checkpoint. What a fucking knob! He sounds like the crying loser you knew in primary school. “John Key’s not fit enough to PM” WTF? Hello Pike River, Earthqauke, GFC. And to the comments that he “stormed out”. Please. And Julian Robins breathlessly saying “there were just 58 seconds and then he was gone”.

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  71. East Wellington Superhero (1,151 comments) says:

    In Julian Robins’ defence, he balanced it up near the end. I liked the Labour voter on the Wellington streets who said she liked Key, thought he was doing a good job, and the media wasn’t playing fair. Heh.

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  72. thedavincimode (6,627 comments) says:

    “What a fucking knob!”

    There’s more to him than that EWS. You aren’t even trying.

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  73. Put it away (2,878 comments) says:

    Is that all it is, saying Peters’ lot are falling off the perch? I’ve said that dozens of times. Yawn.

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  74. Richard Hurst (834 comments) says:

    Meanwhile NZ’s prision population has for the first time since the 1930’s has started to drop to the point where the minister is considering transfering some corrections funds to the police. But I guess that won’t get reported on the 6pm news tonight.

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  75. big bruv (13,686 comments) says:

    Notice how the pinko media have let the Greens party vandalism story die?

    The Greens need to be put under the media spotlight.

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  76. East Wellington Superhero (1,151 comments) says:

    Was interesting to watch 6pm bulletin. Not actually that bad for Key. And Labour keeps losing momentum. The sun shines on Key again. Beautiful.

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  77. Nookin (3,273 comments) says:

    The statement on Stuff that Key “stormed ” out of a meeting is dishonest and palpably so. The editor should be called to account. Key showed commendable restraint.

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  78. smttc (732 comments) says:

    I’m with Adolf and Blair. The MSM are a bunch of hacks seeking a reason for being. Good on JK for effectively saying “fuck the lot of you”.

    And anyone who thinks this fuckin’ nothing issue is going to decide the outcome of the election is a desperate moron.

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  79. reid (16,227 comments) says:

    Meanwhile NZ’s prision population has for the first time since the 1930′s has started to drop to the point where the minister is considering transfering some corrections funds to the police.

    If you’ve got a trend like that on the upside Richard, it’s normally considered rash to immediately act on a single data point or even only several which appear on the downside.

    Key has played this very badly indeed. He needed to shut it down much earlier. Liarbore will use this to spread “Key isn’t good under pressure” bollocks which is a direct hit on his stellar reputation in the public’s mind gained through all these national disasters. This is his political golden goose, that rep, and that is being whittled away. It’s not a major this time. But Liarbore will keep using it (not this particular incident but general examples on the same theme) all through next term, leaping on every little thing to paint this picture. You watch them over the next three years.

    OTOH, this is purely Key’s own fault. He has been very badly advised. So badly it wouldn’t surprise me if it were McCully and Gerry themselves who were responsible for this. It’s that bad.

    But surely Key has had enough political experience now to recognise himself what he needed to do here. But apparently not.

    Still, everyone makes mistakes and this misstep was so self-inflicted and easily avoided it surprised me, but I’ll just watch to see if he ever does anything like this again.

    I’m assuming he won’t.

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  80. Black with a Vengeance (1,787 comments) says:

    Meh…i think Key lied again.

    Kiwis at this stage of the game would rather know what was on the tape that’s got him so flustered than boring shit on trade and the economy.

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  81. Bevan (3,923 comments) says:

    You also think Key is the devil so your sanity can’t exactly be trusted now can it.

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  82. kiwi in america (2,428 comments) says:

    In situations like this, it is very easy to overreact to the media throwing a tanty over not getting their way. This has become a power struggle primarily between Key and TV3/HOS. It is escalating probably a whole lot more than Key and his team would like but there was something quite calculated in Key going to the police and the way he walked away from pressers today. He will know that the transcript (and indeed copies of the tape itself) have ended up in the hands of most media and the law will be honoured in the breach by a whispering campaign. Everything remotely juicy about the cuppa tea chat is out in the public arena judging by the fevered responses of Goff and Peters. National’s inner campaign team will be polling the public’s reaction to two things: first the two ‘game changing’ comments (NZ1st voters dying off slowly which is true and Brash performing so poorly maybe he should be rolled – also true) and second – concerning Key’s refusal to waive privacy considerations clearing the way for the transcript to be published. Key’s team will be weighing the electoral benefits and risks of standing firm.

    They’ll watch what happens in the minor leader’s debate on TV 1 tonight and they’ll see how intense the issue will still be by midday tomorrow. That will give them some time to see if a trend emerges in the overnight polling on this issue over the last 3 days. If their soft centre vote (that comprises the gap between the 2008 vote and the current poll average) is holding firm or shedding around 1% or less Key will weather the media storm safe in the knowledge that middle NZ really do see this teacup storm as a storm in a teacup (couldn’t resist that pun). If the Nat’s are taking a 2%+ hit, Key will bite the bullet and cauterize the wound by lunchtime.

    Stuff’s online article “Key Storms Out of Media” has attracted a staggering 580 odd comments. I sampled the first 100 in chronological order and they run about 5:1 either in favour of Key sticking to his guns/exasperation about the media’s obsession vs those demanding the tapes be released/faux outrage at the substance of what was alleged to have been said. If this is common across the various media that allow comments and the preponderance of talk back radio favours Key to tough it out, its highly unlikely Key will back down because he knows he not only has majority opinion on his side and that his centre vote is not eroding. He is carefully repeating very similar talking points and you can bet your bottom dollar most were poll tested as being in tune with majority opinion.

    Sometimes the inside the Wellington beltway echo chamber that these guys live in, coupled with their shameless bias in favour of Labour and the Greens, becomes all too apparent to swing voters and this is unlikely to give Labour much traction at all. The Greens re mired in a more serious scandal so the big question is – can or how much will Peters gain votes from this. If there was anything more sensational than whats already been hinted at you can bet your bottom dollar the Herald on Sunday would’ve published it.

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  83. RandySavage (211 comments) says:

    Banks on 3 tonight was an absolute riot. Out to lunch in his Clark Kent specs,stuck somewhere between outright lunacy or genuine dementia, the funniest part is watching you right wing ball lickers trying to play this off as anything other than a complete shit sandwich,muppets

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  84. Viking2 (11,368 comments) says:

    Clearly would not matter how the journo got the tape,legitimate or not. Because of the hero worship and disingenuous twisting of the circumstances and the use of an inappropriate comparison he will never get the benefit of the doubt in the minds of the sycophants that fill these pages. So much of the above is rambling bumbling bullshit that it is farcical.

    Key and co stuffed up and by a dint of good luck the camera man got his recording. If the recording contains information that is contrary to the public speak of the people speaking then it behoves the press to publish that information.
    That’s what the press and the freedom of the press is about. To say otherwise then allows that politicans have a God given right to prevent the press from publishing anything except their spin miesters press releases.
    God forbid that day ever arises in NZ.

    You may not like the press many of you and they are irritating and often wrong but they are like bloggers, a bastion of freedom and once controlled the next step is to become like Nazi Germany and others. Do you want Nz to become the Cuba of the South.

    You should also remember that it was this same Govt that recently under urgency passed into Law new surveillance laws that allow the police and all and sundry to spy on most of us with out our consent. Rather a case IMHO of justice being seen to be done.

    Of course I have no doubt plenty of lies will be told to justify the calling the police and so on.
    Foolish and bumbling is how one would describe the complete episode.

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  85. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    I’m really really looking forward to radio pravda, home of the unionista anti national media, getting fucking cleaned out after the election. Think about that L&G’s of the left in the media.

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  86. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    although v2 is right the whole episode is a clusterfuck of epic proportions – remember what happened to H2 when she got too complacent Mr Key. Back to basics.

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  87. reid (16,227 comments) says:

    It’ll be interesting to see if there’s any uptick in NZF’s polls in the next week.

    He’s a master, isn’t he? Winston.

    Leaping like a tiger onto this and blowing it up out of all proportion forcefully denouncing this massive injustice against innocent, elderly and helpless heroes who’ve worked all their lives for the good of others. Thus equating lies with reality, a master propagandist in action.

    He’s really good, you have to admit. I can’t think of any other minor-party leader past or present not even Anderton who would have played that hand so well.

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  88. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    Winston is good but he’s the boy who cried wolf and his target market are either dying or clinically deaf.

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  89. Lindsay Addie (1,404 comments) says:

    Peters didn’t by chance mention the 158,000 bucks he still owes?

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  90. Bodger (12 comments) says:

    No coverage of the greens vandalism scandal on TV1 tonight. Duncan Garner still a cheerleader for Labour and a complete tosser to boot. Situation normal in the NZ TV media. No different to the 2008 election (or 2005 come to think of it).

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  91. Jinky (183 comments) says:

    To QT farmer. I don’t think Key is trying to lose this election only the Epsom seat. If I were a national voter in Epsom I’d be a little upset that my candidate Mr Goldsmith was being asked to take a dive.

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  92. wat dabney (3,709 comments) says:

    Peters is demonstrably a thieving, lying cunt. Vote for him? I wouldn’t piss on him.

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  93. wreck1080 (3,858 comments) says:

    There was speculation on talkback radio JK and JB made racist remarks against Winnie on the tape.

    This is the absolute nonsense that gets dreamt up because he won’t release the tape.

    In my opinion, National should be demanding that labour release minutes of labours secret meetings. Who knows what Labour get up to behind closed doors, and who are they to think it should remain private.

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  94. Bodger (12 comments) says:

    Sonic, there’s a blast from the past. What rock have you been hiding under?

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  95. niggly (817 comments) says:

    “There was speculation on talkback radio JK and JB made racist remarks against Winnie on the tape.

    This is the absolute nonsense that gets dreamt up because he won’t release the tape. ”

    Yeah speculation all right! As if JK would do such a thing!

    I’m with KIA 8.01pm analysis on this. And Radio NZ interviewed people in the street all of whom said they weren’t happy with the media beat-up and supported JK’s position. Again this issue blocks Labour getting their news out and JK is staying on message. Only Winnie seems to be getting “positive” media coverage, but sheesh again with Winnie getting coverage it is also blocking out Goofy and Labour. Oh dear, how sad :-)

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  96. Bodger (12 comments) says:

    How incompetant/naive are the centre left/minimalistically right in this country? Will we ever have an election without some marginally right wing politician saying something (illegally obtained) controversial on tape which is subsequently blown out of proportion by the desperate, closet socialist media.

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  97. niggly (817 comments) says:

    “How incompetant/naive are the centre left/minimalistically right in this country?”

    Very! Methinks Labour hasn’t woken up to the fact that Winnie is stealing Goof’s & Labour’s thunder over this media beat-up.

    Methinks what will Labour do when they figure out Winnie is getting more press coverage than Goofy’s Party (and thus will remain in the media limelight up till the election i.e. as someone the Media will go to for thoughts on other issues now that the media are talking to Winnie again and not dismissing him)?

    Will Labour bleed some percent points to NZF (presumably as NZF will again use the angle of “keeping the bugger’s honest” ie Nat and Lab)?

    Will Goofy try, like he did on Tue, to keep on message like Key has been on Wed (talking about the important things like the economy)? (Goof strayed off message on Wednesday … he’s not very well trained is he, to stay on message). Maybe Labour will need to try and shut this beat-up down too because they don’t figure in it at all and it is giving oxygen to the likes of NZF? :-) The media are quite happy to drag this out!

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  98. niggly (817 comments) says:

    … The media are quite happy to drag this out (further starving Labour of coverage whilst Winnie gets to gloat and ponce around under the hail of the media glare)!

    That must surely be, another kick in the nuts for Labour, considering Winnie’s shenanigans in 2008 which helped bring Labour down! Is history repeating?

    This doesn’t help the Greens either, with them taking a hit over the billboards (and an unrepentant Jolyon White in the public’s minds … like smugly on Close Up the other day) and now are also somewhat starved of media attention thanks to the smiling assassin Winnie!

    Could one imagine a potential Labour/Greens/NZF coalition working together well after the election if National somehow went down?

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  99. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    The Media, led by NZH+fatty garner and able assisted by RNZ, have fluffed each other so much now that the tea tape contents can never live up to the hype and now they are desperate for authorisation from Key to release the tape to justify the time, effort and money they have spent persuing the story.

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  100. Bogusnews (473 comments) says:

    So, at a time when we have an international financial crisis, possible the worst the world has ever faced and we have Labour who is intent on sending us back to the 70’s and finishing the job they started on devastating the productive sector of our economy. Finally, we have a motley combination of communists/racists in the Greens/mana party itching to get into bed with Labour and getting a frightening level of support.

    But what’s of interest? The private conversations about a party that is polling at .7%.

    The National Geographic had a very interesting article about NZ a short time ago. One comment really stuck – along with the cleverness of NZ’ers there is also a renowned pettiness and a focus on trivial issues that should be ignored in favour of important things.

    Sums it up pretty well I think

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  101. niggly (817 comments) says:

    Don’t worry about pie-boy Garner … all beat-up roads at TV3 lead back to their Director of News and Current Affairs, Mark Jennings.

    Jennings likes to push the envelope and has a way bigger ego.

    He features alot in previous TV3 controversies, always in the background but willing to front up when the heat is on TV3 or his journo personalities.

    Of course the other MSM won’t pressure him (and nor should the PM and the Nats). Bloggers though don’t need to show the same restraint ;-)

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  102. rakuraku (162 comments) says:

    I wonder what really was in those tea leaves, not the smartest move by Key closely aligning himself with the Tea Party.

    After all there main supporters are the Exclusive Bretheren and the Klu Klux Clan.

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  103. Black with a Vengeance (1,787 comments) says:

    Mr Key on Tuesday said he is drawing a line in the sand to protect other people’s privacy.

    He said he was concerned about the principle, giving as an example a scenario in which a high profile New Zealand couple are recorded discussing their suicidal son who then killed himself after the story was run in a Sunday newspaper.

    Key and Banks, a high profile NZ couple are recorded discussing their suicidal son, the ACT party as siginified by Don Brash. The story is run in the Sunday paper so Brash decides to commit political suicide and step down as exhorted by Cactus Kate.

    Absolutely disgusting analogy exploiting suicide, but otherwise strangely prescient ?

    Key really is a dork eh ?

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  104. kiwi in america (2,428 comments) says:

    Because Key has been so adamant about not giving permission for the tape release, reporting it to the Police or discussing it he has set up a showdown with the media who have now made his intransigence the issue along with the ‘well if its banal what have you got to hide’ meme. If I were the Key campaign you’d want to be on very solid polling ground to paint yourself into such tight corner. Key’s abrupt ending of the availabilty at the Fed Farmers conference may have been planned because in looking at the footage of how he handled the issue with the press throughout the day, he was rigidly on message (unlike Banks who was plain aweful IMO in his walkabout with Patrick Gower in the Domain yesterday). The Fairfax poll in Epsom doesn’t help but with such small poll numbers it is easy to get a skewered result. Nightly polling gives Key’s team the benefit of voter trends as the media moved into high dudgeon mode to see if the public are buying into their lather.

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  105. Macfre (22 comments) says:

    I’m a storm in a teacup
    Recorded by a lout
    Bundled up in cottonwool and handed to a snout
    Then Labour get all steamed up;
    Hear them, shout
    “Hand me over and hear me out!”

    If he hands over illegally obtained onformation it is a win for the criminally minded.

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  106. Black with a Vengeance (1,787 comments) says:

    Key bullies cops to stand over media outlets.

    Police are preparing to serve search warrants on four media outlets over the tea tape saga.

    Prime Minister John Key complained to police earlier this week that his meeting with ACT candidate John Banks at an Auckland cafe on Friday had been illegally recorded.

    RBZ’s head of news, Don Rood, refused to hand over any material gathered by news staff and said the news organisation would always protect its sources.

    Police told him they would get a search warrant and execute it today or tomorrow.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5982946/Police-ask-RNZ-for-unpublished-tea-tape-saga-interviews

    this is not gonna end well for the smiling waving one…

    …the storm in a teacup has just been upgraded to a force 5 hurricane.

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  107. Lance (2,628 comments) says:

    Oh what a surprise
    The MSM are in this neck deep and are telling the police to fuck off.

    Whats a little criminal activity when a story is in the making?

    So que the wank fest of badgering the PM so they could weasle out. Didn’t work boys, time to face the music

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  108. niggly (817 comments) says:

    Well I see in today’s DomPost Bill Ralston is also noting how the media beat up has become irritating and Tracy Watkins opinion piece (again) is counter to the MSM beatup (can’t seem to find the articles online to link to). Just goes to show that not all MSM believe this is such a big issue as Herald and TV3 is making it out to be. Perhaps they both realise some in the MSM will have eggs on their face when the Police investigation is concluded. ;-)

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