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Cassandra

A substantial majority of New Zealanders believe that voting should be restricted to citizens. Most countries DP that.

David Seymour disagrees. “Sometimes you just have to paint a picture: a couple, both doctors choose New Zealand, they want their kids to be top of their class, they pay a lot more tax than the average, they work very long hours, and we’re saying they shouldn’t be allowed to vote for five years? I think that’s wrong.”

Simple solution: fast track citizenship for people like that.

I’ve lived in four foreign countries and never voted on principle. Not my country – no vote.
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August 22, 2026 8:01am
- Philview
  
  I am with Seymour on this one. We have lots of citizens who can’t be bothered voting but motivated residents who do want to participate in the country’s democracy.
  
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  August 22, 2026 8:18am
  - R
    
    If these motivated residents want to participate in NZ democracy, they should take-up citizenship
    
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    August 22, 2026 10:17am
  - Nikola Donatello
    
    If I moved to France or Australia as a visitor and demanded to ‘participate in their democracy’ I would be rightly mocked, at best.
    
    Have you actually thought about what you are suggesting?
    
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    August 22, 2026 1:16pm
  - crikey
    
    And these are the sort of people we should encourage to have kids, not everyone some of whom we know will be bad parents just like now.
    
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    August 22, 2026 2:45pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Edge case from David Seymour.
  
  Five years isn’t very long. It may be just one general election, otherwise two.
  
  Just treat it as part of the price of moving here.
  
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  August 22, 2026 8:28am
  - R
    
    The five year period gives new residents time to become familiar with the ‘real ‘ new zealand, such that they can make a responsible decision in the Polling booth.
    
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    August 22, 2026 10:20am
- Taieri
  
  fast track citizenship for people like that
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  No!
  Citizenship is a privilege, not an administrative convenience.
  
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  August 22, 2026 9:14am
  - Cassandra
    
    Im sure that appropriate measures can achieve both.
    
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    August 22, 2026 9:58am
- surfing
  
  You’ve lived in four countries but had you ever intended to permanently stay in any of them?
  
  I think if one is planning on permanence, then they should be allowed to vote. Hard to read people’s minds though .
  
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  August 22, 2026 9:59am
  - keepcalmcarryon
    
    Hence if you want to be permanent become a citizen.
    Simple.
    
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    August 22, 2026 11:10am
- Gussy
  
  Taxation without representation?
  It’s a revolutionary concept.
  
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  August 22, 2026 11:41am
igm

You do not bring ideology, culture, and customs unbefitting a host country, as do many of our new arrivals. In fact, many want to impose their vile beliefs on us as well.
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August 22, 2026 8:10am
- Cassandra
  
  Absolutely. Immigration should require acceptance of NZ values. That may well mean that many Moslems will disqualify themselves. The ball is in their court.
  
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  August 22, 2026 10:00am
  - Ruahine
    
    Muslim are allowed to lie to the Infidel.
    
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    August 22, 2026 10:19am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    At the behest of FIANZ, the so-called Green Party is pushing for blasphemy laws. You know, to protect Muslims’ feelings and to protect their religion from criticism or ridicule.
    
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    August 22, 2026 10:32am
    - Ghost
      
      Blasphemy laws were removed in 2019 with the full support of the green party
      
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      August 22, 2026 10:55am
      - keepcalmcarryon
        
        Being a rank hypocrite is part of the lefts constitution in 2026.
        
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        August 22, 2026 11:11am
      - CJames
        
        Then why do they want to put them back?
        Green Party’s published policy, at clause 3.1.1
        “…extending hate speech laws to cover religious or ethical belief.”
        
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        August 22, 2026 12:31pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Ghost: “Blasphemy laws were removed in 2019 with the full support of the green party.”
        
        Yep. Supposedly because they wanted to forge ahead with a more “progressive” (yeah right) and “inclusive” (yeah right) approach. The fact they now want to protect the feelings and activities of a rigid, oppressive and unreformed religion (especially towards gays and those who don’t want a bar of this religion) shows they are simply full of it and are shallow and irrational followers of ideological fads.
        
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        August 22, 2026 7:55pm
  - leoj
    
    I am not sure I want Muslims in the country, let alone vote.
    
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    August 22, 2026 10:55am
    - Ra Henare
      
      Think you should be worrying about those from Southern Asia before you worry about Muslims (you probably mean Islamists)
      
      How many Muslims do you see in criminal prosecutions versus how many South Asians being charged with fraud and corruption.
      
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      August 22, 2026 1:31pm
- mandk
  
  Which groups, other than Moslems, want to do this?
  
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  August 22, 2026 12:03pm
BarryB

There were a few people on here yesterday comenting about why house prices are so high.
Its all very simple. There are two control factors.
1.Its called supply and demand.
2. Its called construction cost.

Too much supply and low demand – so the average house price has come down a bit. Currently there are hundreds, perhaps even thousands, of unsold ‘Town Houses” and apartments sitting around the country unsold. Well why aren’t all those first home buyers buying them? Well who wants to live with no car park? (where are all those cycle users?…) Who wants to take a risk on whose going to move in next door – a lazy slob who leaves rubbish all around the front and back of their place or someone who has high standards. Maybe someone who loves loud music at 2am. And if its rented it could be anybody. Horror of horrors it maybe even an Indian…! (Ive had three Indian couples renting and they are the perfect tenants. They even went to the neighbours to tell them that the neighbourhood would not be swamped with the smell of Indian cooking. Also they don’t use ovens – so the oven remains unused) But Winston wouldn’t move in next door….
Townhouses have very limited appeal – but unsold stock is dragging the average price down.

Construction cost and rules. I built a house 30 years ago. We moved in without curtains or floor covering or wall paper or painted window sills or painted doors. I built two vanities. Cupboards and wardrobes had no shelves. In other words I turned my labour into value – in the long run cash. No formed driveway, etc, etc
You cant do that now. To get a compliance certificate now the place has to be finished.
That basically doubles the cost, if not more.
Our house 30 years ago cost about 4 times my salary – but double the cost to meet todays compliance certificate and it would have been about 8 times my salary. Add to that the fact that everything used has gone up in price. It’s a bloody miracle that todays house prices aren’t 12 times salary.

You could ask of course why haven’t wages and salaries gone up the same ratio?
Its called ‘womens lib’ – a 30% increase in the number of people looking for paid jobs, and Globalisation when all those worthwhile jobs were exported to China. To many job seekers and not enough jobs means wages decrease – and they still are..
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August 22, 2026 8:26am
- wsk12345
  
  I don’t get the townhouse thing. Chch is being infilled with them, all the as is where is houses post EQs are gradually being cleared and replaced. My mate bought one a couple years ago- one carpark for a small car. No on street parking. Tiny footprint. Next door is Airbnb so a mix of quiet and all night parties. Sadly for her, values have dropped since purchase, but for the younger ones who want to live near town in a new house with no garden (so no repairs or weekend work), I suppose there is some appeal.
  
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  August 22, 2026 10:18am
- Handyman
  
  There is high demand for low-cost houses in good neighbourhoods, but builders cannot build them the price buyers are able to pay. So no cheap houses are built.
  The entire construction industry then focuses on building medium and higher quality houses creating a supply greater than the actual buyer demand.
  
  BTW, what happened to the sweat equity scheme of a few years ago? Why can’t young couples move into a gibbed house with all the electrical and plumbing compliance done, but leaving room for labour intensive finishing, eg installing a kitset kitchen?
  
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  August 22, 2026 11:40am
- Don Beckett
  
  You left off No. 3. The escalated cost of the land.
  Since around 2003, the cost of land in Tauranga has more than trebled – thank you Helen Clark, and the councils that were given a free hand to do what they wanted.
  
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  August 22, 2026 11:56am
  - slijmbal
    
    @Don
    
    agreed – last time I looked land price inflation was by far the largest contribution to house price inflation. The government (both central and local) constraints on where and how one can build being the largest offenders.
    
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    August 22, 2026 4:54pm
  - Handyman
    
    In the medium term, the land cost is the residual, being the final sale price of the house less the cost of building it. From memory of my economics textbook….
    “It is not the price of the pig that makes pork expensive; it is the price of pork that makes the pig expensive”.
    
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    August 22, 2026 9:51pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Despite saying that they want to live in peace with their neighbours, Israel acts to the contrary by accelerating its building of settlements on Occupied land.

Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2lq5g4dedpo
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August 22, 2026 8:35am
- surfing
  
  Israel are doing some pretty nasty stuff.
  I used to completely support Israel, but, there are some pretty nasty things going on over there.
  
  The actions of Israelis on the ground do not match what the Israel government is saying. Some Israelis are just thugs trying to steal homes off Palestinians while Israeli soldiers watch.
  
  Which leads me to question some of the other Israeli claims.
  
  More and more, I think we should just leave Israel to their own fate.
  
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  August 22, 2026 10:02am
  - Paulus
    
    Not sure I know what is a Palestinion as this is a construct for Politicians surely ?
    
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    August 22, 2026 1:05pm
- Cassandra
  
  One can only hope that the next government will put a stop to that.
  
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  August 22, 2026 10:03am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Agreed. If Israel is serious about peace it needs to stop helping itself to more land at the expense of its neighbours.
  
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  August 22, 2026 10:38am
  - Paulus
    
    Providing that the many Arab countries will stop trying to annihilate Israle which is the overall intent to destroy all of it.
    
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    August 22, 2026 1:08pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Name the Arab Countries ?
      Waiting.
      
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      August 22, 2026 4:10pm
  - leoj
    
    If that means establishing a buffer zone between them and terrorist stattes, I am all for it.
    
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    August 22, 2026 4:53pm
- Scott
  
  Umm the land is not occupied. It is disputed. It was part of ancient Israel and the Jews should have it.
  There is a Palestinian state, it’s called Jordan.
  The idea that if the Jews were just a bit nicer then the trouble would be over? No. Hamas wants to destroy Israel. Iran wants to destroy Israel.
  
  Israel took every Jewish man, woman and child out of Gaza. They were repaid with October 7th.
  
  Stop taking the side of Hamas. Support your own side. Support western civilisation. Not Muslim Hamas murderers. Support your own side.
  Thank you for your attention to this matter. 😎
  
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  August 22, 2026 10:51am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Scott. Think you might need to join the modern world.
    
    The UN, which “created” Israel, also condemned as illegal its occupation of Palestinian territory, By settlers and Israeli annexation.
    
    I understand you are a staunch Zionist, but your straw horses don’t offset the facts of the settlement occupations being recognized under international law as illegal.
    
    It’s called the occupied territory due to Israel’s unlawful (check the facts) annexation after the 1967 war.
    
    Israel has been ignoring international law and UN resolutions with impunity (i.e., the US vetoes any sanctions) for many decades.
    
    But of course nothing I say will change your ideological thinking, one Iota.
    
    Enjoy your day.
    
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    August 22, 2026 1:44pm
    - Graeme Hall
      
      Is that the same UN that employs Hamas? There is one small democratic country in the Middle East surrounded by countries that have tried to wipe it out several times since & including 1948.
      
      https://unwatch.org/un-leaders-lit-an-eternal-flame-for-a-hamas-commander/
      
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      August 22, 2026 6:04pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        It was the General Assembly that helped create Israel. The bureaucrats hired Palestinians who were members of Hamas.
        
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        August 23, 2026 12:41am
    - Scott
      
      Jews have been occupying the land for millenia. It’s part of greater Israel given to the Jews by God. Who is even greater than the UN.
      But the dispute is not about land. It’s not that Israel could trade land for peace. Gaza showed us that.
      
      It’s about Hamas and the Palestinians and the Iranians and all the rest not accepting the existence of Israel. Israel is a beleaguered country surrounded by mortal enemies.
      
      Stand up for your side. Hamas is not your side. Stand up for western civilisation. Thank you for your attention to this matter. 😎
      
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      August 22, 2026 7:13pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Did God hand out real estate to anyone else back in the day? Asking for a friend ….
        
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        August 22, 2026 7:36pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        League of Nations/UN agreed on the British allocating the tiny parcel of land which is now Israel being a home for the Jews. No?
        
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        August 22, 2026 7:59pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        I always laugh when Zionists trot out that statement…
        land given to Jews by God…. Yep, folks, THEIR God.
        Nobody else.
        
        Go far enough back and you will find Jews and the Palestinians have the same ancestry thousands of years ago. So the we were here first claim is true for both parties.
        
        As I oft repeat.
        Hamsas is seen as a freedom fighter against the invaders. They had Isarel forced on them. No Arab nation accepted the UN resolution.
        The Israelis invaded the territory during wars , yes the Arabs attacked first in 1948?
        But under international law and UN resolution Israel should vacate the occupied territories.
        
        Would you meekly accept a Wellington resolution to take your farm, owned by many generations of your family and give it to a religious/tribal group WITH NO COMPENSATION and NO APPEAL OF THE DECISION???
        
        That is the Palestinian problem. The West’s propaganda machine has demonized Palestine, the PLO, and now Hamas with overwhelming propaganda.
        
        The River to the Sea quote is used to bash Hamas
        But its Israeli equivalent. From the Jordan to the sea, it shall be under Israeli sovereignty.
        Is totally ignored.
        Hence the current situation.
        
        As well as a one-sided military action (ie shelling and bombing of Gaza), remember the freedom fighters only have small arms….
        
        Its a mess and won’t be solved easily while the current administration (Lakud & USA) are in power.
        
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        August 23, 2026 12:52am
      - Scott
        
        Not to my knowledge. No one else got allocated land. The Jews are God’s chosen people. That’s why other people’s hate them.
        
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        August 23, 2026 7:13am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Ra, Jordan annexed the West Bank in 1950 fro the British Mandate. It was not considered to be occupied then because the land had been taken from no country. Israel took it in 1967 during the 6 day war. Is there a reason why Israel should be treated any differently to Jordan, given the land is still not a country? Or do we have to concede it is still part of Jordan? And by the way, what do you consider “modern”?
      
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      August 23, 2026 6:39am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Last time I looked NMBT, the West Bank has never been a country. It was annexed from the British Mandate by Jordan (who laughably, weren’t considered to be “occupying” the area by anyone) who then gave it up in the 6 day war. It is not occupied, and Israel can claim rights to it. Have you heard of Bir Tawil? Look it up.
  
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  August 23, 2026 6:29am
NeverMindTheBollocks

The lunatics are in the house.

85-year-old Professor Dame Uta Frith – one of the key figures in autism research since the 1960s – has been denounced, derided and worse for suggesting that the increasing number of autism diagnoses is due to misdiagnosis, ie people wrongly being told they are autistic.

How predictable.

http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdew81wd2y8o
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August 22, 2026 8:44am
- keepcalmcarryon
  
  People want to be special, everyone wants to autistic or adhd, so much so it’s almost the norm -more than half the under 30s at my current work are apparantly adhd/autistic/ neurodiverse. Some have kids that are too.
  They’re all nice people but we live in a society that pathologises normal human emotions instead of teaching coping mechanisms.
  Psychology borders on pseudoscience and the diagnosis of disorders is arbitrary and prone to “trends” one of the reasons I changed degree many years ago.
  Pointing out the above disorders are over diagnosed will trigger backlash because it threatens a crutch and also the modern leftist cult of narcissism – that a “victim” identity must be protected with safe spaces and medication instead of coping strategies for a complicated world.
  I’m sure “real”cases exist but I’m very sure it’s not most of them.
  
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  August 22, 2026 11:25am
- mandk
  
  Lots of people feel ill at ease in the world, which is not surprising because the world can be difficult to live in.
  
  Problem is that they shop around for someone to tell them what is wrong and they eventually find someone who says it is autism, ADHD, or some other such condition.
  
  This is not to deny that autism and ADHD exist, it is just that they are ridiculously over-diagnosed.
  
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  August 22, 2026 12:14pm
  - Hard Cheese
    
    This is not to deny that autism and ADHD exist, it is just that they are ridiculously over-diagnosed.
    
    What’s your evidence for that statement? Any, or is it just what you reckon?
    
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    August 22, 2026 7:01pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Schrödinger’s cat is back again….

Enabling some New Zealanders to be citizens of both a democracy under the Crown and a pre-feudal grouping alongside the Crown is as ludicrous and dangerous as it sounds.

https://www.brashandmitchell.com/post/spaniard-schr%C3%B6dinger-s-citizen
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August 22, 2026 8:55am
- mandk
  
  Correct.
  
  I have argued before, here on KB, that Māori being subjects of the Crown and being partners of the Crown at the same time are mutually exclusive states.
  
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  August 22, 2026 9:08am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I’m with Gareth Moran when it comes to cats of the Schrödinger variety.
  
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  August 22, 2026 9:12am
- mike
  
  That ‘Spaniard’ cannot grasp some concepts is not evidence of the quality of those concepts.
  
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  August 22, 2026 9:31am
  - David Lenny
    
    Perhaps, Mike, not having identified which specific concepts you are thinking of, nor having identified the particular quality of those concepts, you might like to elaborate a bit more for the benefit of us lesser mortals.
    
    I reached similar conclusions to Spaniard about 30 years ago, but if I’m wrong there’s still time to change my mind.
    
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    August 22, 2026 1:38pm
- Notsofast
  
  It is as bad as this.
  People who know they have no maori blood are self identifying as part maori to access preferential health care.
  The rules of the game say this cannot be challenged.
  
  Ironically this matches the concept of self identifying males claiming to be female, which also cannot be challenged.
  
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  August 22, 2026 9:36am
  - wsk12345
    
    I have done exactly this. It got me a diagnostic test which I had nearly given up hope of getting within a week of changing my ethnicity. Coincidence? I don’t think so. You have to take your health in your own hands and as a high risk case this was my first option while saving the thousands of dollars I would have needed to get it done in the private system.
    
    Strangely since that time I’ve been offered lots of free stuff by my medical centre. Small things but which I used to pay for on top of my $70 doctor fee.
    
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    August 22, 2026 10:26am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Why are you telling us all this? Some people might have just pocketed the benefit and gone shtum …
      
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      August 22, 2026 7:39pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        He’s highlighting racist insanity in NZ. That’s why.
        
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        August 22, 2026 8:02pm
      - Ghost
        
        Who knows. There is no racial benefits at my gp for being anything other than a patient. I’ve also had no issues getting into specialist appointments, scans quickly because of race.
        
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        August 22, 2026 8:07pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Its a mistake to think that this is about Maori sovereignty.
  
  This is about a small group of people destroying the current democratic system and replacing it with themselves.
  
  The pretence that they are acting in the interests of Maori is so that they can play the racism card if anyone tries to interfere with their programme of political indoctrination known colloquially as Maorification.
  
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  August 22, 2026 11:27am
Scooter

So the Tauranga CEO Marty Grenfell thinks he should keep his 600k+ job because he is best placed to make changes and has the knowledge and experience to do so. Well Marty where was your knowledge and experience when it was time to read and enact on the reports sent to the council detailing the risks? He’s basically saying I’ve ignored the reports for years but now I’m the best one to act on the reports. Too little too late. If he had any thought for those that died and their families he would resign immediately. The commissioners in the Council also have a lot to answer for, weren’t they there to sort it out. Ps since when should a CEO of a council be paid more than the PM?
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August 22, 2026 8:55am
- surfing
  
  It’s an absolute insult that the man responsible for the deaths is now saying he is the best person to fix their risk and compliance structures.
  
  He has no shame. I will vote against every council member who supports this man.
  
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  August 22, 2026 10:03am
- Simon
  
  Marty Grenfell with his 600k+ job has his own interests which are different to the interests of the rate payers.
  
  This is just a small snap shot of wider bloated govt.
  Govt so out of control over so many areas that the govt’s interests are not the same as NZ.
  
  AT and its surveillance camera just another eg from today.
  
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  August 22, 2026 10:35am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yes, Congratulations to Erika Harvey and “Lobby for Good” for carrying out independent research into the documents TCC held on Mauoa (Mt Maunganui)’s geotechnical hazards.
  
  The evidence that TCC did circulate and share the Geohazard report with members of the Mauoa Trust is clear.
  
  Before the scheduled meeting was cancelled, an electronic link to the agenda and accompanying reports was circulated to relevant Tauranga City Council staff, an elected member distribution list, representatives of the Mauao Trust, and other members of Ngā Poutiriao ō Mauao.
  
  We can confirm that none of the councillors who form part of Ngā Poutiriao ō Mauao read the HD GEO report.
  
  https://newsbeat.tauranga.govt.nz/news-article/artmid/24836/articleid/15878/statement-from-tauranga-city-council
  
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  August 22, 2026 10:52am
- Paulus
  
  I understand that Grenfell is an ex senior one time local Policeman so should know better.
  
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  August 22, 2026 1:11pm
artemisia

Charities call for more state support to weather ‘perfect storm’

Of course charities do good work. However, NZ First’s Gerald Warner has an excellent point saying his party believed the state had a responsibility to get communities thriving but that it also believed in “people helping themselves”, giving a “hand-up not a handout”. “Intervention does not deprive individuals and communities of the right to exercise self-responsibility.”

Am I the only one to see less personal responsibility evidence these days, in tandem of course with unrelenting requests for OPM?

“Perfect storm”? Really worst-case? Must be an election year.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/community/1073969/charities-call-for-more-state-support-to-weather-perfect-storm
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August 22, 2026 9:02am
- Cassandra
  
  I worked in the charity sector for 30 years. Mainly research funding but also patient and family support. No government funding at all. Funding was donations and bequests.
  
  Some do a lot of good work. Those involved in helping poor people eg food banks and the like, should get their funding from their supporters.
  
  Governments funding should be very closely monitored and limited to outcomes. If taxpayers want to support charities then make a donation.
  
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  August 22, 2026 9:29am
- rouppe
  
  Is Gerald Warner in the same NZ First party that handed out millions of dollars to Marae?
  
  That was manifestly “hand-out”.
  
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  August 22, 2026 12:28pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

This is shocking.

Tauranga councillors received a detailed report showing there was a high risk people could die if their local campground got hit by a landslide but no one read the report. We are told that this is because while the report was sent out along with the agenda for a meeting, the August 2025 meeting was cancelled and not rescheduled.

Whatever happened to reading reports ahead of the meeting?

The buck stops with the CEO, and if he does not resign then he should be sacked.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/emergencies_local/1077176/report-on-mt-maunganui-landslide-risk-unread-tauranga-city-council
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August 22, 2026 9:03am
- surfing
  
  More than sacked, he should be in prison.
  
  His council had reports saying people could die, he did nothing, people did die!
  
  They should get every CEO back to the first report warning of deaths . I think, 1999. Maybe a mayor or 2 could also be looked at , although, I feel elected members are less responsible since the CEO’s job is to present the risks.
  
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  August 22, 2026 10:04am
  - keepcalmcarryon
    
    We are lacking corporate manslaughter laws – see also Pike River, White Island, cave creek.
    Organizations can kill by incompetence and no one is held accountable, but take your eyes off the speedo when you are passing someone and you’ll get a ticket alright.
    Who do our laws really protect?
    
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    August 22, 2026 11:30am
  - Paulus
    
    For Grenfell to lose his job will make him a very rich man paid for by Ratepayers.
    
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    August 22, 2026 1:13pm
lastmanstanding

I am hoping we have a Labour/Greens/Opportunity/Maori Government post 7 November. It will the Coalition of Chaos. Chippie wont be able to control it. The Opportunity members have no political or governance experience. The Government will collapse before it can do any real economic damage.
Opportunity will then collapse as the young educated women who support it wake up and realise what it really is. The other Parties will suffer damage. Voters dont like Governments falling over.
We will then get back to having an adult Government to carry on repairing the economy.
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August 22, 2026 9:07am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I think you are mistaken, Lastman.
  
  You think Marama and co will pass up the chance to secure a $2B fund “for maraes”? Ditto the other grifters. They will loot the treasury.
  
  Never underestimate the determination of piggies to keep their noses in the trough.
  
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  August 22, 2026 9:10am
- mandk
  
  Be careful of what you wish for.
  
  I suspect that the sort of coalition you describe would last about a year. I don’t see any leftwing politicians who would have the statesmanship to keep order in a government of four parties and six leaders/co-leaders.
  
  However, one year is plenty of time for a collapse in business confidence and for both foreign and domestic investors to decide their money would be safer elsewhere.
  
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  August 22, 2026 9:17am
  - david
    
    Can’t agree. Remember that parties are elected and depending on the political status of anyone leaving, parties have an almost infinite capacity to replace its MP membership with their list. As a result you would have a revolving door of new MPs with no experience and increasingly weird ideas. That alone could see them limping along for a three year term during which time the potential for immediate damage would be huge. Equally worrying would be that such a demonstration of ineptitude would turn off the political interest switch of a swathe of the population and poison the population to the idea of things like a 4 year term.
    
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    August 22, 2026 10:10am
  - rouppe
    
    Why would it last only a year? The only way a government can collapse is if it’s constituent members fall out.
    
    You think any of them are going to cut off their golden goose?
    
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    August 22, 2026 12:31pm
- R
  
  Repairing WHAT economy?……the ashs!
  Haven’t people learnt anything from the 2017/2020 disasters at the polling booth
  
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  August 22, 2026 9:20am
  - leoj
    
    Yes, Winston is at the heart of irrepairable damage yet many have already forgotten.
    
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    August 22, 2026 11:04am
- AitchW
  
  Those guys would wreak havoc from day 1.
  Havoc which would take years to undo.
  They’d make the last Labour government look decidedly conservative.
  The Tamihere party would eviscerate race relations.
  The Greens would destroy farming.
  Be very careful what you wish for.
  
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  August 22, 2026 9:22am
- Michael Johnston
  
  There would be no coming back from such a government. If the current coalition is returned, then maybe – just maybe – New Zealand will be able to extract itself from the economic and social mess caused by the Ardern government. But another government like that – or worse – would finish us.
  
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  August 22, 2026 9:25am
- David Garrett
  
  Lastman: I agree…yesterday I had a conversation with a Green voter…retired librarian from Grey Lynn. It turned out she knew virtually nothing about their policies…and wasnt much interested in becoming informed about the party she supported.
  
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  August 22, 2026 9:29am
  - Ian Boag
    
    You’ll find that sort of person in the ranks of every party’s supporters.
    
    We can’t have 16 year olds voting because they are “too young to understand”. Something similar could be said for a fair number of oldies. They don’t even need to pass a cogency test for a driver licence …..
    
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    August 22, 2026 9:52am
- Cassandra
  
  NO!!! It’d do irreparable damage.
  
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  August 22, 2026 9:31am
- Ghost
  
  No, it won’t collapse. Greens, Labour and TOP are natural partners, it will go the distance. Māori will be happy to have a minister’s position.
  
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  August 22, 2026 9:38am
  - AitchW
    
    And let’s not forget that turkeys don’t vote for an early Christmas.
    Add to that the fact that many of these MPs will be on the best gravy train of their lives.
    It would last 3 years.
    
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    August 22, 2026 11:18am
- pdm
  
  lastman.
  
  You omitted one other component of that Chaotic Coalition. The Labour, so called, Maori Caucus led by `wee Willie’ Jackson and the awful Willow-Jean Prime.
  
  They will want their `pound of flesh’ too.
  
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  August 22, 2026 10:02am
- Philview
  
  The media will have to work hard to put a positive spin on the next Government. I sometimes look at the ODT on Saturday and saw an absurd editorial today criticising the Government for legislating to protect the Country against Mike Smith’s court case against ‘polluters’. The editor is firmly on the side of Mike Smith.
  
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  August 22, 2026 3:37pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  No, the sheeple already had their “lesson’ when the lab/green/tpm clown-show strode the stage.
  
  If they vote for that again, they richly deserve the awful shafting they will receive. Stand well clear.
  
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  August 22, 2026 8:06pm
DimChappie

Lastman, it might be a good time for some disaster planning. They could do a lot of damage before they collapsed.
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August 22, 2026 9:13am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Grok tells me that Russia does not conscript women.

Mandatory military conscription in Russia applies legally only to male citizens aged 18 to 30. Women are completely exempt from the regular military draft, though they can volunteer.

Oddly, I haven’t seen protests from Western feminazis about the injustice of it all.
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August 22, 2026 9:19am
Yvette

What credence has te Mana o te Way [water] or should it not be aligned with any creed

The ACT Party in New Zealand proposed a public service policy to prohibit government agencies from funding, organizing, or expecting participation in cultural and spiritual practices like karakia or prayers in the workplace. The policy aims to enforce political neutrality and individual merit across the state sector.

Once government begins deciding that people’s ethnicity should influence how they are employed or served, we inevitably have to decide which groups qualify, which differences matter and when one person’s ancestry should produce a different response from the state than another’s. …

If somebody wishes to practise their religion or culture, protect their freedom to do so. And if they don’t, protect that freedom too. That isn’t asking anyone to abandon their identity. It is creating a common civic space in which all of those identities can coexist – Himanshu Parmar, a businessman based out of Hamilton and ACT’s candidate from Waikato

There is no public record of Destiny Church leader Brian Tamaki directly responding to the ACT Party’s August 2026 public service policy regarding karakia and prayers. His recent public commentary has instead focused on the police revocation of his firearms licence.

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August 22, 2026 9:20am
- Yvette
  
  Sorry – it would be rather rude of me to put a whole comment in bold typeface – it was intended to be only the first line. And the reason I can not correct it is that unfortunately the Edit function on kiwiblog has not worked for several days now.
  
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  August 22, 2026 9:25am
  - David Garrett
    
    Yvette: I’m sure Noone is offended ma’am…that happens to me sometimes when I get the thingie wrong
    
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    August 22, 2026 9:31am
    - CJames
      
      DG – your normally impeccable standards are slipping. “thingie” and no full stop? Though as it is a weekend, we can excuse you.
      
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      August 22, 2026 9:46am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Thingie is a perfectly acceptable spelling of thingy.
        
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        August 22, 2026 10:03am
      - CJames
        
        Maggy – only as a slang term (or the name of a children’s puppet) and David usually abhors those.
        
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        August 22, 2026 10:11am
      - David Garrett
        
        CJ: You are too kind Sir. I will note however that I tried to put the (Html??) symbol for ending bold or italics. and the site wouldn’t print it – so I used the normally awful “thingie” instead. As for no full stop…put it down to the unseasonable cold up here…just 18C at 7am this morning.
        
        But one slight correction: I don’t have a problem with slang…my problem is with misuse – “that” instead of “who” when referring to the doings of humans, and “disinterested” when what is meant is “uninterested”…”less” when the correct usage is “fewer”…things like that.
        
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        August 22, 2026 10:40am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @ CJames
        
        Not necessarily as a slang term… perfectly acceptable in Scots English (It’s there in my Chambers Dictionary… as well as my C.O.D (1992)…and is accepted by Scrabble folk.
        
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        August 22, 2026 10:57am
      - Cassandra
        
        My phobia (although I share all of DG’s) is “ the proof is in the pudding” which is meaningless twaddle. It is “ The proof of the pudding is in the eating” ie it’s outcomes which matter.
        
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        August 22, 2026 11:43am
      - Hard Cheese
        
        @Cassandra
        
        If you add too much brandy to the recipe the proof could well be in the pudding.
        
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        August 22, 2026 7:05pm
  - Cassandra
    
    It was easy to read. Old eyes.
    
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    August 22, 2026 9:33am
- mike
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  I’ve made this point before – Seymour is talking about Māoritanga to stir the pot but is actually proposing to remove all requirements for the public service to be a good employer.
  
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  August 22, 2026 9:36am
  - trout
    
    re: Seymours comment;
    The edifice has to be pulled down before it can be properly rebuilt. But of course you know that.
    
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    August 22, 2026 10:11am
  - KKNZ2025
    
    Not everyone agrees on the definition of “good”.
    
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    August 22, 2026 10:30am
  - David Garrett
    
    Mike: You write a lot of bullshit here…and the very occasional reasonably astute observation. But that statement is utter bullshit, and you must know it.
    
    Being subjected to “te tiriti” indoctrination has got absolutely nothing to do with “being a good employer”.
    
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    August 22, 2026 10:45am
    - mike
      
      You should read s73 of the Public Service Act, which Seymour wants to repeal.
      
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      August 22, 2026 12:18pm
      - Yabster
        
        stuff the public service bunch of wastreals lead by the unions- is there any ministry out there that does it’s job properly- Kiri Allen actually made a good point about the waste, it being too political and there are too many doing sweet FA.. of course the unions even attack her!
        
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        August 22, 2026 12:24pm
      - Nikola Donatello
        
        How about you share section 73 so we don’t all need to look it up?
        
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        August 22, 2026 12:30pm
      - Nikola Donatello
        
        OK I have read section 73. It should be repealed. Why has the current government not repealed it?
        
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        August 22, 2026 12:34pm
      - rouppe
        
        @Nikoka he was beating the same drum here. Plus the thread contains the text.
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2026/08/general_debate_18_august_2026.html#comment-3871536
        
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        August 22, 2026 12:36pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      David, you are an educated man and a lawyer.
      Which bit of Mike’s comment is utter bullshit?
      
      1.Seymour is talking about Māoritanga to stir the pot
      
      2. proposing to remove all requirements for the public service to be a good employer.
      
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      August 22, 2026 2:06pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    No, Seymour wants to remove the requirement for the public service to be a WOKE employer.
    
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    August 22, 2026 1:36pm
    - Ghost
      
      You mean he wants to remove what Winston helped create. Strange man that Winston.
      
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      August 22, 2026 4:18pm
cas

I’m wondering what I should do today. The Maori lunar calendar, so helpfully published in our local rag each week, tells me it is a low energy day bringing opportunities to be still, reflect and take notice and be cautious. Of the week, 5 days are low energy days in which I should basically do nothing. I did manage to mow the lawns on a low energy day. There is one high energy day and one medium one.

No wonder there is not a lot of productivity.
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August 22, 2026 9:20am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Quick, retreat back to bed. You’ve already written a paragraph and it’s barely 10am.
  
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  August 22, 2026 10:05am
  - Nikola Donatello
    
    There is a school in northland that organises its teaching around phases of the moon.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350475300/te-kura-kaupapa-m-ori-o-t-t-tarakihi-the-school-where-the-moon-dictates-what-you-learn
    
    Yes it is approved by the Ministry of Education. We are teaching children to organise their lives around mysticism.
    
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    August 22, 2026 11:14am
    - kowtow
      
      Sounds more like Mexicanism.
      
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      August 22, 2026 1:34pm
- rjay
  
  On the other hand, with the sun moving into Virgo now is the time to get practical and achieve things.
  
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  August 22, 2026 10:27am
- leoj
  
  Then how come WINZ is busy everyday?
  
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  August 22, 2026 11:10am
CJames

I see the unions are claiming pay equity will only cost $6B. No information on where that money will come from. The magical money tree no doubt. And the fundamental principle behind it is just so wrong, let alone the subjective judgement involved.
Here is a better idea. How about unions encourage women to go for the training to become workers in those male dominated jobs. Or would they discourage that because those jobs are non-unionised?
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August 22, 2026 10:08am
- Nikola Donatello
  
  Where did this pay equity concept come from? How many folk could explain it?
  
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  August 22, 2026 11:16am
  - CJames
    
    Simple – you take an occupation that is female dominated like say nurses and their average pay, then you take a male dominated occupation say police. If the latter occupation is paid more, then the unions claim it is only because it is because they are males (nothing about what they do) so it is discrimination. The claim is the jobs are of equal value so should get equal pay.
    
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    August 22, 2026 12:41pm
    - CJames
      
      The claims were ridiculous “This saw admin workers compared with civil engineers; social workers compared with detectives; and librarians compared with fishery officers. ”
      Of course Greens and Labour support it.
      
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      August 22, 2026 12:42pm
    - Nikola Donatello
      
      Why can’t we just let labour markets determine wages, with a minimum wage? Although I would argue that the current minimum wage is far too high.
      
      That means that people can make long term training decisions with regard to the wages they will receive. The alternative is to entertain folk who decide to undertake low wage jobs but demand that the power of the state is used to force employers to pay them more than market rates.
      
      Honestly it is madness. Down the Argentinian road with Aotearoan characteristics. It is like we are determined to commit economic suicide.
      
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      August 22, 2026 1:13pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        We should biff all that silly stuff about building standards. I should be able to build anything I like on my land and sell it to anyone who is willing to buy it. We should toss the individual pension nonsense — what was wrong with the parish-funded workhouses anyway? And debtors prison is a notion worth revisiting. Unions are seditious and should be stomped on hard.
        
        I could go on …. 🙂
        
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        August 22, 2026 1:45pm
      - CJames
        
        “Why can’t we just let labour markets determine wages, with a minimum wage?”
        Nikola that is too much like common sense. It would also do away with the union push to bring about a socialist paradise in Aotearoa, with all getting the same wage, apart from the nomenklatura or nobiles of which of course, union officials would belong.
        
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        August 22, 2026 2:33pm
      - Nikola Donatello
        
        Ian Boag
        
        I suspect that you have no economics training. Building standards, airline safety, life jacket design and thousands of other parts of the economy need to be regulated because there is market failure. Someone deciding to choose aged care assistant as a career is not market failure.
        
        Honestly no wonder this country is in the shit.
        
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        August 22, 2026 4:08pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        @ND
        
        So wages and stuff should be unregulated for the good of the country.
        
        It’s not relevant that zillions of other things “need” to be regulated because of “market failure”. How – pray tell – do we recognise this “market failure”?
        
        Is the whole social housing thing an example of “market failure”? What about the way the duopoly has the supermarket business all sown up? And the gentailers who were once part of a single SOE which got chopped into three bits whose job was to (snigger) “compete with each other”?
        
        I found the Pay Equity work and comparators and stuff quite interesting (see my chatgpt link) – quite a bit of serious work went into it. I’m not totally surprised that BvV found a way to kill it.
        
        I am an engineer, not an economist. You are an economist perhaps?
        
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        August 22, 2026 4:25pm
      - Nikola Donatello
        
        It is quite easy to recognise market failure.
        
        https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketfailure.asp
        
        I did look at your chat gp link. It reminded me of something from the soviet union. Pay equity is a nonsense.
        
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        August 22, 2026 5:09pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        It is quite easy to recognise market failure
        
        Touche! I had a read of your link too – I would summarise it as “you can recognise market failure when you can see the market has failed”. Can’t argue with that – a bit circular though …. 🙂
        
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        August 22, 2026 5:29pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Boag, do you think maybe the pendulum has swung too far and maybe just maybe we are now wanting silk purse goodies on a pig’s ear budget?
        
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        August 22, 2026 8:09pm
  - rouppe
    
    Is that rhetorical?
    
    It did start from a good place. Women doing the same job as men to the same standards should be paid the same.
    
    I remember Mihi Forbes complaining a decade ago that she out worked many men in her newsroom but was paid less. A fair complaint, she did produce good content before she went all Maoritanga.
    
    But as usual it morphed. In female dominated employment it was asserted that they were paid less than if a man were to do the job. Difficult to corroborate or otherwise.
    
    So then it turned into the ridiculous situation where librarians were compared to engineers for pay equity.
    
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    August 22, 2026 12:41pm
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      How do you know Mihi Forbes’ complaint was fair? You’ve only got her side of the story, and from what I’ve seen she has an outsized sense of entitlement.
      
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      August 22, 2026 1:39pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        And where would we go to get the “other side” of the story?
        
        I once listened to a woman who was fairly well up the corporate ladder and pretty well paid telling me if she had balls she would be getting 30% more. She is a pretty competent person, good at her job and she would know ….
        
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        August 22, 2026 4:34pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Just out of curiosity, would you say the are no occupations where such a comparison might have some validity? Did you ever look at any of the published ones and scratch your head a bit?
      
      If you want to make your head spin – dig through this.
      
      https://chatgpt.com/share/6a891038-8210-83ec-ae81-ed3cd00896b5
      
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      August 22, 2026 2:58pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      the ridiculous situation where librarians were compared to engineers
      
      It must be ridiculous if you say so.
      
      If you read the cgpt link in my other post, you end up scratching your head a bit. The comparisons were done in a reasonably systematic fashion and across a lot of occupations. Sometimes the outcomes were a bit of a surprise, but it wasn’t done off the top of anyone’s head ….
      
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      August 22, 2026 4:30pm
  - Bullion
    
    Doesn’t it stem from when it was legal to pay women less, for being women, and therefore female dominate occupations had lower salaries and a lower base from which salaries have increased since.
    
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    August 22, 2026 5:22pm
- mandk
  
  Totally agree.
  
  People who work regular hours in day care should try working unsociable night, weekend and holiday shifts in prisons, guarding people who would stab them given half a chance.
  
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  August 22, 2026 12:21pm
Tauhei Notts

For all those bureaucrats in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade; have a go at the Pindia Challenge.
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August 22, 2026 11:25am
Nikola Donatello

This is so typical of a cohort in this nation. Buy a house near the airport. Than try to have the emergency rescue heliport shut down because of the noise.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/361021831/they-save-lives-neighbours-want-these-rescue-helicopters-gone
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August 22, 2026 11:58am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Hmm. Not in this case, Nikola. The rescue helicopter has only been operating from the airport for a year. Residents have been there much longer.
  
  But, of course, it’s a rescue helicopter. They have to come & go from somewhere, and at all times of the day & night.
  
  No easy answers.
  
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  August 22, 2026 12:31pm
  - Nikola Donatello
    
    Yes I saw that. But if you buy a house near the airport you must be aware that new aviation services may decide to use the airport. Including helicopters.
    
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    August 22, 2026 5:11pm
greybeard

I predict that the Boks will target both Roigard and Love with the intention of getting them subbed for injuries.
Roigard’s running and Love’s goalkicking are major threats to the South Africans.
Let’s see if I am wrong.
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August 22, 2026 4:31pm
- Colville
  
  Our outside backs are better but that won’t help if we don’t get any ball.
  
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  August 22, 2026 8:49pm
Spam

Media: “MINCE IS EXPENSIVE! COST OF LIVING! WHY WON’T THE GOVERNMENT DO SOMETHING!”

Also Media:
“CLIMATE CHANGE IS AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT AND WE NEED TO CULL ALL CATTLE TO SAVE OURSELVES”.
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August 22, 2026 4:49pm
- Ghost
  
  Got a link to the media blaming the government?
  
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  August 22, 2026 4:56pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    CBF looking but I promise you it will not be hard to find! Trust me on that.
    
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    August 22, 2026 8:11pm
    - Ghost
      
      It will be hard to find because the person is lying. The media have not blamed the government for mince prices.
      
      NZ Herald this article, export demand for beef is high
      
      Stuff. Export demand is high
      
      1news. Export demand is high
      
      Rnz. Export demand is high
      
      Another kiwiblogger lie, busted
      
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      August 22, 2026 8:37pm
- Jimbo666
  
  It’s a question of supply and demand. Beef and lamb are fetching huge prices so the cost is higher. I read the other day some farmer was getting $460.00 for a lamb. That’ll certainly eventually flow through to the consumer.
  
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  August 22, 2026 6:15pm
  - Colville
    
    Jasus!
    I can get good back legs (with half of pelvis) for around 60. I will go get a few.
    
    Two of us at home. A leg is a roast after 900g of meat has been taken off for slow cooker or curry.
    
    So 3×2 meals. All yum.
    
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