Not funny

May 14th, 2012 at 3:23 pm by David Farrar

Paula Bennett has proposed that taxpayer fully subsidise contraception to beneficiaries, on an entirely voluntary basis.  A policy which also happens to have widespread support. One can debate the pros and cons of it in terms of effectiveness, but it is a quite middle of the road proposal.

This of course is compared to who was Chief Medical Officer at the Birkenau and later Auschwitz extermination camps. Mengele once ordered the gassing of 750 women because their block was infected with lice. Mengele also injected chemicals into children’s eyes to try and change their eye colour, amputated limbs for no medical reason, sterilized girls against their will, killed twins so he could dissect them, had two twins sewn together to try and conjoin them.

Cartoonists enjoy a wide latitude by their editors. This is how it should be. But there is a point at which an editor should say a cartoon is so offensive they do not wish to publish it.

The has made a grievous judgment of error in publishing that cartoon, and at a minimum owe an apology to Paula Bennett. There is no room in our political discourse for comparing MPs to Nazis, especially Josef Mengele.

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110 Responses to “Not funny”

  1. Chthoniid (2,028 comments) says:

    …disgusted. That’s an odious comparison.

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  2. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    I was just in our tea room and saw this and thought the same thing. Another card carrying unionist having a disgustingly offensive “go”.

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  3. Elaycee (4,304 comments) says:

    The Dominion Post….. Quelle surprise.

    A tatty rag disguised as a bloody disgrace.

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  4. db.. (79 comments) says:

    Not clever – just THICK as..

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  5. dime (9,468 comments) says:

    wow even im offended

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  6. Feanor (40 comments) says:

    Free contraception is on the same level as Nazi war crimes. Sounds like something you would hear from the lunatic fringe of the Republican party.

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  7. adze (1,869 comments) says:

    That’s weak. The style and “humour” feels more at home on some militant union publication rather than the DomPost.

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  8. RRM (9,471 comments) says:

    Can’t say I’m *offended* – more just shocked that a paper would run anything so stupid. That’s the kind of stuff you expect to see on political lunatic websites and nowhere else.

    He draws Paula well though…

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  9. Socrates (86 comments) says:

    Paula should make more noise about the fact that since the early 1990’s vasectomies have been free for beneficiaries. Which is permanent I might add…

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  10. rouppe (916 comments) says:

    I saw this too. I thought it was very poor judgement.

    Isn’t there a broadcasting standards body to complain to?

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  11. Nick R (497 comments) says:

    Yuk.

    Does this mean we now agree about what constitutes a limitation of free speech?

    [DPF: Hodgson has every right to publish it online or in his own publication. My point is the Dom Post should not have published it in their newspaper. That is nothing to do with free speech]

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  12. Dazzaman (1,123 comments) says:

    Yeah, it’s weak. Nice likeness of Goering though.

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  13. Pete George (22,863 comments) says:

    There’s some nasty stuff around – and there seems to be people who really believe it’s clever and reasonable comment – as shown here.

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  14. Redbaiter (7,640 comments) says:

    You’re dealing with the left- and left media in particular.

    Why expect anything else?

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  15. Jeremy (323 comments) says:

    There is no room in our political discourse for comparing MPs to Nazis, especially Josef Mengele.

    What if they were to recommend toxic gassing of an ethnic group? Not even then?

    [DPF: Yes, then]

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  16. Nick R (497 comments) says:

    @ DPF – no argument from me!

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  17. tom hunter (4,430 comments) says:

    Isn’t there a broadcasting standards body to complain to?

    There’s a more effective protest: don’t subscribe to the Dom Post, don’t buy the occasional copy on the street, and persuade as many people as you can to do the same.

    Nothing settles an editor’s mind so wonderfully as the knowledge that his newspaper will be bankrupted in the morning.

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  18. Pete George (22,863 comments) says:

    Anyone who feels like protesting, try @DomPost and http://www.facebook.com/dompost

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  19. Daigotsu (450 comments) says:

    ” There is no room in our political discourse for comparing MPs to Nazis”

    http://img.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0712/6d1e8fde57e0afd4a5ff.jpeg

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  20. Leaping Jimmy (15,970 comments) says:

    You’re dealing with the left- and left media in particular. Why expect anything else?

    Yes indeed. There are perhaps a number of possible reasons why this ever got past the sub-editor’s desk. Any one of them may or may not be a contributing factor.

    Both Hodgson and the reviewing sub-editor are both screaming raving lefties.

    All screaming raving lefties really really really rate themselves, intellectually, thereby imagining, like some teachers also do, that they are the only ones who know anything and everyone else is stupid by comparison to them.

    For such people, their job is, like teachers, to tell the children what to think – to “educate” us.

    Because we’re all “stupid” we wouldn’t consciously notice the outrageous statement, it would just pass us by, like a ship in the night. Subconsciously we would take it in, but consciously, no way. We wouldn’t consciously notice the big theme because we would have never heard of some guy called “Mengele” because we’re stupid. And we wouldn’t consciously notice the small things intended for subconscious consumption, like the skulls on Bennet’s dress, because we’re rushing past the “serious” pages to get to the Sports section.

    I’m figuring this was their calculation.

    How else do you explain it?

    Everyone involved in the production and editorial processes displays utter contempt for the intelligence of the readers. They might as well have used the “F” word on the front-page headline. That’s about the equivalent of what they’ve done here. Isn’t it.

    It will be interesting to see how the broadcast media respond to this, especially the TV, since out of all the MSM channels, the TV channels are the worst, in terms of displaying this contemputuous attitude toward the intelligence of their audience.

    Don’t get me wrong. They have reason to do it. From the NZ public’s tolerance of the dumbing down and demand for idiotic content over the last years and decades, the various media channels could indeed be forgiven for thinking the whole country is populated by particularly stupid sheep with two and many one-digit IQs. What they seem to have forgotten, since they NEVER cater for us, is that not everyone, is in that category. And this is a chance, to remind them we exist. Quite why we should have to do this in the first place, when they should already have recognised us years and years ago, is another story, isn’t it. One step at a time. Sigh.

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  21. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,798 comments) says:

    You could have knocked me down with a feather. I was expecting the Waikato Uni student magazine.

    Of course, some fool had to start bleating about freedom of speech.

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  22. Pascal (2,015 comments) says:

    This is sick and twisted and you are doing the right thing to condemn it on your blog, David. It is good to voice disapproval to the Dominion Post and, if you find this tasteless and subscribe to them, to cancel the subscription with an appropriate message.

    I am not comfortable with the idea of determining what should and should not be published through other means though. There had been some pretty reasonable discussions here around South Park, Muhammed cartoons and so forth before where it was established just as people were able to and allowed to publish what offended some people, others were well within their rights to condemn it.

    We live in a Western democracy with the ability to say what we think – even if it is tasteless crap.

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  23. thedavincimode (6,539 comments) says:

    Sheesh. Enuf of the faux outrage. It’s remainding me of the bleating from the hand-wringers about beneficiary contraception.

    If you don’t like it, then as Tom Hunter says, don’t buy the silly rag.

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  24. AG (1,784 comments) says:

    Oh, I don’t know DPF … even the best can cross the line when it comes to “satire”.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/greens_announce_new_emissions_reduction_policy_-_abortion.html

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  25. slightlyrighty (2,496 comments) says:

    Someone should explain Godwin’s Law to the Dom Post.

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  26. tvb (4,210 comments) says:

    Discussing contraception with your WINZ casework who can suspend your benefit, is a bit like Rupert Murdoch saying he has never asked a Prime Minister for anything. If a person who holds enormous sway over you wants something they do not HAVE to ask for it. Bringing case workers into the issue of fertility and financial incentives to get contraception is a subtle way of requesting it. The cartoon while harsh is quite appropriate. I happen to support the move but lets stop the humbug that it is voluntary.

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  27. F E Smith (3,302 comments) says:

    Nick R,

    I am going to disagree slightly with DPF’s answer to you. My view is that the Dom Post has every right to publish such a cartoon. It is not a matter of whether it should or should not have published it at all. However, I (and everyone else) have the right to be disgusted and offended, and to criticise and condemn the Dom Post for publishing such a cartoon, and to refuse to buy their newspaper or access their website as a result.

    That is what free speech is about.

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  28. Pete George (22,863 comments) says:

    lets stop the humbug that it is voluntary.

    You could be right, slippery slope and all that, next thing caseworkers will be suggesting beneficiaries get a job, and we all know where that will end up, they might end up being better off in the long run.

    The cartoon…is quite appropriate.

    I disagree strongly, it’s about as bad as a political cartoon could be, very sad that something like that is suggested in New Zealand, let alone printed in our capital city newspaper.

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  29. Manolo (13,386 comments) says:

    The left-wing Dom Post continues to sink to new lows.

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  30. hubbers (223 comments) says:

    It says a lot more about the publisher than it does the mp.

    The closer you are to a political extreme the more likely you are to have nazi tourettes. Just Google Glen beck has nazi tourettes to see a fun example

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  31. pete (428 comments) says:

    This is the sort of thing I’d expect to see on a Free Speech Coalition billboard, not a major newspaper.

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  32. flipper (3,575 comments) says:

    What a sick bunch greenfax media and the cartoonists are.
    Greernfax (aka Fair?) is bad enough in Australia, but their New Zealand operation is somewhat akin to that run by the defunct ultra left wing rags – the Southern Cross and The People’s Voice.

    Linking Bennett with the likes of Mengele is just about the nadir of journalism.

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  33. Will de Cleene (485 comments) says:

    Get over it. That’s what cartoonists do. You don’t get to pick and choose between Mohammed Cartoons and Mengele Bennett cartoons. FWIW, my old man was portrayed by one cartoonist as an SS guard leading pensioners to the gas ovens. Diddums to Paula.

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  34. thedavincimode (6,539 comments) says:

    You don’t get to pick and choose between Mohammed Cartoons and Mengele Bennett cartoons.

    Exactly, but it seems they want to. I guess that’s different (not that the hypocrisy makes either right or wrong).

    BTW, I didn’t think your old man was old enuf to be in the SS???

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  35. Yvette (2,692 comments) says:

    Former Green MP Sue Bradford said the group seemed to be “looking to Nazi Germany for inspiration, with its underpinning ‘work makes free’ philosophy, attempted eugenic control of a portion of the population, and its potential racist implications for Maori”.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10711489

    Who started this ?

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  36. gravedodger (1,516 comments) says:

    Is that Hodgson any relation to the funereal old git from Dunedin North who always gave a passing interpretation of a pox doctors clerk when he made a speach.

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  37. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    i’d say Mengele is symbolic. And to all of you who are so offended by the blood on Mengeles saw, the benefit cuts in 1991 were quite brutal to those women who’d left there feckless husbands in a time of social upheaval to find their benefits slashed so their kids were fed for the most part by food banks. I for one will never get the taste of stale sally lunns from my taste buds or wherever else the taste lingers:) They taste like shit even if you haven’t eaten for 48 hours.

    I think the cartoon is right on the mark – that first round of targeting beneficiaries for the popularist vote was a social experiment that went a good way to ruining New Zealand’s egalitarian community feeling. Full credit to the cartoonist for reflecting this in today’s environment.

    My Mum raised three girls on one of the first decades of the DPB when the benefit was slashed by women effectively persecuting women, And none of us girls ended up long term beneficiaries.
    Oh yeah; so fuck the sanctimonious bleating about the, “naughty bad cartoonist”.
    Just Sayin.

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  38. thedavincimode (6,539 comments) says:

    Who started this ?

    Wot. Listening to the green gargoyle?

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  39. Ryan Sproull (7,033 comments) says:

    Not nice for the Herald to call Sue Bradford a “former Green MP” rather than “current Mana Party candidate”.

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  40. thedavincimode (6,539 comments) says:

    And none of us girls ended up long term beneficiaries.

    Not counting WFF while you were fulfilling your social obligation to breed at the taxpayers’ expense of course …

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  41. Peter (1,578 comments) says:

    Nice to see the Dominion Post is gunning for The Stranded level of credibility.

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  42. toad (3,669 comments) says:

    hubbers 4:50 pm

    Just Google Glen beck has nazi tourettes

    Difference is that Glenn Beck actually is a Nazi.

    That said, although I think Trace Hodgson is pushing it too far with the cartoon, there are some parallels:

    - The policy is designed to reduce the birth rate of a particular demographic.

    - The policy is targeted at beneficiaries (substitute Jews or Maori and see how it looks).

    - The policy encourages only invasive and long term contraception, rather than non-invasive options such as condoms and diaphragms, or even the pill.

    - The policy is administered by WINZ case managers. Although supposedly “voluntary”, my experience with WINZ is that the power imbalance between the case manager and the beneficiary who is totally dependent for financial survival on the case manager’s decisions regarding the benefit means that supposedly “voluntary” options become de facto compulsory.

    Why not extend it to all low income earners, and administer it through the Ministry of Health, who don’t have control over peoples’ incomes?

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  43. adze (1,869 comments) says:

    Yeah, the energy reforms of the early 1990s put many household’s power prices up. And that makes me really angry at the current Energy Minister for some reason. I think I’ll make a cartoon comparing Phil Heatley to Hitler.

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  44. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    the connection that most seem to miss is that what nact/bennett are doing now is eugenics..coercing the lower-classes to breed less…

    …how is that not eugenics in practise..?..

    (and from the ayn rand-handbook..this is what that toxic-cow recommended..sterilising the lower classes/non-whites..

    ..like i have been trying to say for some time now..virtually everything this govt is doing..is from that rand-handbook..understand her..and you understand key/nact…and you should be very scared…they are evil fucks..engaged in a class war..and asset-theft…)

    ..so of course the loop/reference back to nazi germany is entirely relevant..given that was the last time eugenics-policies were practised on a large scale…

    (hey..!..here’s an idea..!..to help end poverty..

    ..let sole-parents/w.h.y. work part-time…without having 80 cents in the dollar clawed back by work and income..

    ..that is the cruelest twist in the poverty-trap that one…

    ..and of course if these people wanted to really help fellow new zealanders who are struggling that is something easy to do..

    ..but that is not where they are coming from..

    ..they want to sterilise the poor..

    ..of course they are fucken nazis…

    ..(just because there are no ovens dosen’t mean shit…eugenics is nazi philosophy in action..)

    ..and as for low/bad points/taste in humour..as ag pointed out..i also haven’t seen lower than that greens/abortion effort..

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  45. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Meanwhile, Minister Paula Bennett has announced that beneficiaries may be forced to have their kids immunised. It is unclear whether kids who get chronically sick after being vaccinated will have the opportunity to sue the government.

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  46. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Is this not the same Paula Bennett, who in a fit of pique, breached the Privacy Act by releasing sensitive and personal information about beneficiaires? It is clear that Bennett – once a beneficiary herself – has nothing but contempt for those who cannot find work. Kind of ironic when National promised hundreds of thousands of jobs.

    Why anyone would want to defend such a mean spirited and craven politician is beyond me.

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  47. PaulL (5,874 comments) says:

    Seems to me that some people are losing sight of the difference between race and income.

    There is a health service (long term contraception) that the government is choosing to subsidise for low income people, if they choose to take advantage of it. Unless we believe that low income people are a race, then there is no comparison to any of the Nazi eugenics policies.

    As for suggesting that WINZ will force this on people, given their ability to force people to get jobs, I’d see it as spectacularly unlikely that they’ll be successful in forcing anyone to get contraception.

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  48. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    > the Dom Post should not have published it in their newspaper. That is nothing to do with free speech

    Haha a champion of free speech who doesn’t have a clue what free speech is.

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  49. Yvette (2,692 comments) says:

    Eugenics, Phil?
    – the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics?
    ..(just because there are no ovens dosen’t mean shit…eugenics is nazi philosophy in action..)
    No, Phil, they are just suggesting some may wish to take voluntary measures until they are off the benefit, when it may then be more suited to have extra children.
    Some confusion may arise if being on the benefit is treated as a lifestyle.

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  50. RF (1,272 comments) says:

    Dom Post…. Filth, scum, crap. Plus a million other adjectives… Another example of the nasty left.

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  51. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    and given this policy..which will really impact on maori…

    ..why the maori party haven’t walked already is beyond me..

    ..what the fuck would nact have to do to get them to shift their arses out of those ministerial-limos..?

    ..five-year contraceptive-programs on young maori women not enough..?

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  52. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    As a political statement it’s actually bloody good, it shocks ,it offends and everyone here knows what it’s about, so its nothing like we see from cartoons published here. A cartoon does not have to be funny to make a point

    I am a believer if you dish it out you gotta take a bit – this just gives me another thirty years of serving it up to Helen, my little pony , the gay brigade and the rest of those smug bastards masquerading as the NZ labour party

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  53. Keeping Stock (10,108 comments) says:

    ..five-year contraceptive-programs on young maori women not enough..?

    So five-year contraceptive programmes on young non-Maori women are ok with you then Phil?

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  54. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    don’t be so simplistic..stock..

    ..i am pointing out that this will impact on maori much more than any other group..

    ..so why hasn’t the maori party walked..?..(that is the point..any idiot can see that..

    ..i withdraw my previous recommendation that you should start a blog..

    ..going on how fatuous that comment was…i wouldn’t bother..eh..?

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  55. Leaping Jimmy (15,970 comments) says:

    ..i am pointing out that this will impact on maori much more than any other group..

    Yeh so what?

    If you want to stamp out something negative, then who cares where it currently impacts most?

    Are you seriously arguing that we should let people breed like rabbits regardless of any considerations because to do otherwise would be “bad policy?”

    That’s what you are saying, isn’t it, phil.

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  56. nasska (10,689 comments) says:

    ..five-year contraceptive-programs on young maori women not enough..?

    I must have missed the bit where the minister stated that non Tangata Whenua welfare recipients didn’t qualify for free contraception.

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  57. nasska (10,689 comments) says:

    Of course if a beneficiary wanted to give their womb a workout that badly one could almost be forgiven for thinking that it might give them an incentive to form a stable relationship with a breadwinner or even get a job!

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  58. graham (2,216 comments) says:

    “..i am pointing out that this will impact on maori much more than any other group..”

    Rubbish. About 54% Maori and Pacific Islanders on the benefit, 46% other. I don’t recall the exact figures, but I do recall they were pretty evenly split.

    So to claim this will impact Maori much more than any other group is stupid.

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  59. slightlyrighty (2,496 comments) says:

    Philu.

    Vasectomies have been subsidised for years for those on a benefit. Why no outcry with that given the permanent nature of that procedure?

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  60. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    @thedavincimode. Couldn’t have done without wff. how on earth would I have got back into the gym and into shape without WFF?
    You know to breed more kids?

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  61. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Tom Scott may be a leftie but has ability.

    Hodgson has always been a talentless turd.

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  62. Seán (396 comments) says:

    Oh well, whaddaya know….DPF has his limits too. Funny how his tune changes when there is something that _he_ is offended by.

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  63. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    actually..those lame-arse cartoons that are posted here by whoever..

    ..they should have the heading ‘not funny’…

    ..eh..?

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  64. Viking2 (11,146 comments) says:

    Like PEB I can’t get offended. I have looked at the cartoon several times and can find no reference to contraception at all.

    That Mengeles tried various options that were outrageous is true and frankly with the way our benefit system is over puffed it would be nice if Paula actually attacked it more vigourously, indeed in an outrageous manner.

    Removal of qualifications for able bodied people to get paid to do nothing would be a good start. That could be coupled with the need for people to buy thier own unemployment insurance from age 20. We talked about that a year or two back when people were left high and dry because they had a two incomes expense and were left with a one income,income.
    Was anything done. Nah fuckall as usual.
    There’s more. Why don’t people have to provide thir own Medical and ACC and Education?
    those are the cuts and experiments that need doing.
    One taxpayer fed up with proping up those that are not.

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  65. Viking2 (11,146 comments) says:

    Monique Watson (393) Says:
    May 14th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    @thedavincimode. Couldn’t have done without wff. how on earth would I have got back into the gym and into shape without WFF?
    You know to breed more kids?

    Give dime a call. :lol:

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  66. PaulL (5,874 comments) says:

    Phil: you are absolutely correct. This is quite likely to have a very substantial impact on young Maori women on a benefit. A very substantial positive benefit – they now have access to heavily subsidised contraception that they used to have to pay for, if they _choose_ to access it. Direct cash saving, how can that be bad?

    Further still, for that percentage of young Maori women (and other young women as well) who are on a benefit, and decide not to spend money on contraception – perhaps because they don’t have a regular partner – and then find themselves in a situation where they “take a risk,” ending up with a child they might otherwise not have chosen to have, this is a significant benefit. Control over fertility was one of the great liberators for women, I’m not sure why extending that control to beneficiaries is seen as an attack on women.

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  67. PaulL (5,874 comments) says:

    Viking2: unemployment insurance is always problematic, whether provided by the government or by a private sector company. There are significant risks within the control of the individual, and as such significant moral hazard. For that reason most private sector companies stay away. The government, of course, has no such smarts.

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  68. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    ‘..Give dime a call…”

    but you’ll have to pretend yr a hooker..

    ..that’s the only way he can get it up..

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  69. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Still sounds like he can afford to pay Magpie.

    When did you last get a screw? :)

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  70. Rick Rowling (801 comments) says:

    Because we all know that if beneficiaries already had free access to this medical procedure and Bill English removed the subsidy, Toad, Phil etc would be saying what a good job he was doing.

    Not.

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  71. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    @viking 2. Thanks for the heads up. :) Literally. But I tell a lie. I’ve never been tempted by the gym or WFF.

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  72. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    i think all contraception should be free to all..with vending machines in schools..etc..

    ..this is contraception on steroids..a five-year sucker..

    ..with bad health outcomes for some..

    ..the stench of eugenics is strong around this one..

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  73. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    twitchy-jim/reid..on more than a few occaisons i have asked you quite relevant questions..

    ..you always refuse to answer..

    ..back at ya..!

    ..eh..?

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  74. thedavincimode (6,539 comments) says:

    i think all contraception should be free to all

    I wished you’d used it you lazy bludging little prick.

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  75. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    “i think all contraception should be free to all..with vending machines in schools..etc..”

    If only we had that in say 1950 phool…..eh? :)

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  76. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    What did you have for dinner tonight Leonardo?

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  77. thedavincimode (6,539 comments) says:

    Still at the prep stage JB.

    Beef strog – aye aye fillet, mushies, paprika, onions, creme fraiche; dijon; maybe a splash of brandy or whatever – see how the mood takes me. Yummmm.

    How were your non-vegan pork chops? Had they stopped squealing by the time they hit the plate?

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  78. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    After I shot them they settled down a tad.

    I threw the veg out after reading your comment last night and the buggers have planted themselves in the wife’s flower garden! :)

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  79. Elaycee (4,304 comments) says:

    “Beef strog – aye aye fillet, mushies, paprika, onions, creme fraiche; dijon; maybe a splash of brandy or whatever – see how the mood takes me. Yummmm.”

    Mean bastard, tdm – now I have a case of the watery mouth… just thinking about it!

    Enjoy! :D

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  80. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    We are going to shoot all the sheep now and raise little veggies instead.

    Cora Carrot, Lucy Lettuce and Billy Bean are already very friendly.

    Phillip the Pea brain is a little more reticent but with a touch more fertilliser we still have hope he will mature! :)

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  81. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    Philip may actually be a self-fertilising pea brain.

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  82. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    The policy deserves this cartoon. Hat’s off to the cartoonist and the newspaper for having the guts to publish and be damned. The hypocritical taking of offense is risible.

    The policy is, initally, at least, highly targeted at group of young women who are disproportionately Maori, uniformly poor, thus vulnerable to manipulation, and probably victims of less than ideal childhoods, to put it mildly. The policy is overtly racist and discriminatory.

    The NZ Herald pointed out that the policy is currently targeted at about 500 young woman (1000 DPB reicpients aged 16-19, 50% of whom may go on to have another child while on the benefit), at a cost of one million dollars. That is two thousand dollars per person, except that said person will not actually see any of that dosh. As usual, that will get hoovered up by the non-Maori and the non-poor.

    Of course, the alternative of developing social and education policies to help our young men and women avoid getting stuck on a benefit at such a young age requires actual intellect and empathy, qualities sadly lacking in this government.

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  83. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Are you saying his head is full of shit milkey?

    Even I wouldn’t be that cruel! :)

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  84. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t go that far, as I should not like to examine him in person; but I am quite sure he spouts manure.

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  85. PaulL (5,874 comments) says:

    Luc, I’m still lost.

    A targeted program that offers free contraception to those whose current life situation means they probably cannot afford a baby. What’s more, those for whom having a baby may further limit their ability to move into the workforce and therefore to improve their lot.

    Nobody’s saying that they have to take that option, but surely giving them that option is one of the smartest things we can do for them.

    Unless, of course, you were a member of a particular group whose ongoing value proposition rested on the perpetuation of intergenerational welfare. Do we know any of those?

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  86. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    why don’t you have some bacon with that..lacy..?

    ..and don’t forget to melt some cheese over it..

    ..eh..?

    ..lot’s of cheese..

    ..(and then just repeat three times a day..eh..?..)

    ..that should take care of you..

    ..and remember..!

    ..you can never have enough/too much of that processed-meat..eh..?

    ..why not throw some saveloys on too..?

    ..give yr heart..and other organs..a party..eh..?

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  87. mister nui (975 comments) says:

    Is this the same Dom Post that refused to publish ACT’s pre-election ads????

    It seems that anything goes when attacking the right, but no-one dear attack the welfare sate nor the maori elite.

    As said by someone up-thread, this says so much more about the Dom Post editor and this Hodgson “cartoonist” character.

    Simply vile and disgusting.

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  88. Yvette (2,692 comments) says:

    I. Like. It. How. When. You. Read. This.
    The. Little, Voice. In. Your. Head. Takes. Pauses.

    I always wondered what the hell Phil was trying to do
    or if it just comes naturally because that is the way his brain works
    …now
    …eh?…

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  89. tom hunter (4,430 comments) says:

    While I was not offended by this in the least – because I expected nothing less – it did cause me to roll my eyes, since the narrative could have been played as follows:

    The scene shows a young women holding a baby, surrounded by several little ones at her feet, looking up at her with sadness. She has bruises on her face (presumably from the guy who left her with the kids).

    In front of her are Sue Bradford and Annette King, both holding their hands out in the “Stop Signal” manner and proclaiming: “No free contraceptives for you young lady”.

    See how easy a narrative of callous, uncaring evil can be pushed? Should some cartoonist wish to portray such a scene and should the Dom Post decide to run it I will have no problem at all with Mr Hodgson’s effort.

    I won’t be holding my breath.

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  90. Right of way is Way of Right (1,129 comments) says:

    Sadly, the press coverage in Granny Herald and TV1 and TV3 are following the same anti establishment left leaning lines. I find that the standard of reporting in this country is somewhere to the left of absolute drivel. If any person reads a news story in which he or she has some prior knowledge, you find very quickly that a large number of lazy reporters have an annoying tendency to take a few soundbites or quotes, attach their own spin, and then publish innacuracy after inaccuracy, then run screaming for the high ground of “Freedom of Speech”.

    Now while I am all for the right of free speech, and a wonderful thing that is, it should be balanced with the responsibility for accurate reporting. Facts please. If you want to put spin on things, write a novel, or become a coulmnist. Better yet, a blogger!

    Now if the Herald really wanted to increase circulation, how about some more high quality writing. A few actual columnists, people with opinions worth reading! The Sydney Morning Herald is a wonderful example of what can be achieved with a dedication to quality. The $2.00 pamphlet that was the New Zealand Herald this morning was frankly abysmal! I shall do my news reading online from now on, much better value for money!

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  91. mister nui (975 comments) says:

    Maybe each full stop represents a pull on the bong Yvette, hence the continual pauses….

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  92. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    just/still more lies..eh hunter..?

    bradford is on the record as saying contraceptive should be free for all..

    ..but don’t let the facts get in the way of yr rightwing bullshit/lies..eh..?

    hunter..?

    ..you never have before..eh..?

    phillip ure@whoar.co.nz

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  93. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    I always catch my breath when I read Yvettes words mister nui specially en Francais! :)

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  94. mister nui (975 comments) says:

    Luc Hansen said:

    The NZ Herald pointed out that the policy is currently targeted at about 500 young woman (1000 DPB reicpients aged 16-19, 50% of whom may go on to have another child while on the benefit), at a cost of one million dollars. That is two thousand dollars per person, except that said person will not actually see any of that dosh. As usual, that will get hoovered up by the non-Maori and the non-poor.

    Your argument is so wrongheaded Luc, that I find it hard to believe you actually believe this, but are just saying for the drama. Or maybe you’re just thick.

    If those woman are receiving free contraception, they don’t need anymore money. Because of not getting pregnant, those same woman could then embark on study and then a successful career and make oodles more money. But, you would like to see a few meagre dollars transferred to the woman keep her on the same track that she has always been on.

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  95. hmmokrightitis (1,514 comments) says:

    Meh, its a cartoon, as someone else said, Hodgson is utterly shit. Reflects poorly on him and the rag that pretends to be a newspaper.

    Compare and contrast the glee from the left if the shebeast was portrayed this way. I can well imagine. Yet more hypocrisy really, so no surprise.

    People will see it for what it is, depending on their state of left leaning rabidity.

    Normal, sane folk: left stupidity and small minded bastardry

    Rabid left: Entirely fair

    Sums them up nicely really. Fucktards, one and all, part of a dying world wide movement.

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  96. Rufus (621 comments) says:

    Disgusting ad. A new low.

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  97. PaulL (5,874 comments) says:

    Elacyee – fillet in a strog? Bit exxy if you ask me. Strog is for cheap meat, fillet is for frying or baking. With bernaise or green peppercorn.

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  98. Rufus (621 comments) says:

    PaulL, while I agree fillet is wasted on Stroganoff for us poor mortals, traditionally that was often the cut of meat used.

    In the fine dining scene, Strog was prepared by the waiter at the table. Fillet was used as it cooks quickly. Although to be fair, more often than not fillet chain was used.

    Venison makes a fantastic variation. Better than beef I reckon.

    /nerdie foodie mode

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  99. Caleb (467 comments) says:

    what is going to happen when all this borrowed money runs out??

    its like peace money, dished out by modern governments.

    borrowing and hoping, hoping to keep the system going.

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  100. LabourDoesntWork (282 comments) says:

    So…Fascism is *not* alive and well?

    “[W]hen fascism comes to America, it will not be in brown and black shirts. It will not be with jackboots. It will be Nike sneakers and smiley shirts. Smiley-smiley.” George Carlin

    “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” Ronald Reagan

    At least it’s good to know the social engineers are only here to help…

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  101. LabourDoesntWork (282 comments) says:

    For more explanation on the Carlin quote, see Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg.

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  102. eszett (2,337 comments) says:

    Yvette (1,869) Says:
    May 14th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    I. Like. It. How. When. You. Read. This.
    The. Little, Voice. In. Your. Head. Takes. Pauses.

    I always wondered what the hell Phil was trying to do
    or if it just comes naturally because that is the way his brain works
    …now
    …eh?…

    dammit, you just made me spill my coffee………

    :-)

    LOVE IT!

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  103. TimG_Oz (917 comments) says:

    My take on this here: http://timgoz.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/disgusting-hodgson-cartoon.html

    In one word: disgusting.

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  104. wreck1080 (3,734 comments) says:

    Isn’t this just satire?

    Like when you call someone a little hitler, you’re not really saying they are mass murderers.

    Although, the cartoon is guilty of being silly.

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  105. hubbers (223 comments) says:

    @Toad. you are either being deeply ironic or you may have missed the point.

    While Glen Beck may be a lot of very unflattering things he isn’t actually a Nazi.

    For amusement http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JngI1_8beoA

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  106. Mark (1,366 comments) says:

    As far as political satire goes it gets the cartoonists message across well. You are left with no doubt that the cartoonist considers that Bennett is playing right on the edge of social engineering. Now it may or may not be be a good thing that she is doing but not everyone has to agree with her or the national party policies in this area.

    DPF – As for it not being funny I do not see your point. Who wrote the rule book that all cartoons had to be funny. Its political satire and some of it can be hard hitting and cruel. It does not necessarily make it poor satire.

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  107. Elaycee (4,304 comments) says:

    Rufus says: “Venison makes a fantastic variation….”

    Agree. There is / was a restaurant in Queenstown serving strog with venison – delicious! Especially when it’s washed down with a nice Merlot.

    Luvly Jubly. :)

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  108. Pete George (22,863 comments) says:

    Mark, but “satire” that revolts people – and this cartoon seems to have revolted a significant number – and is obvioulsy way over the top can be counterproductive to the attempted point. It’s likely this cartoon will simply be dismissed by many as disgustuing.

    Cartoons that are clever and funny are usually much more effective, especially when they are at a plausible (albeit exaggerated) level.

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  109. Bob R (1,340 comments) says:

    Unfortunately, the knee jerk response of many to any proposals to use contraception is to think of the Nazis. As a result NZ has to endure a slow decline as the the least productive have the most children. Professor Jim Flynn noted this problem a few years ago.

    Funny they don’t seem to recall that anti-smoking iniatives also began under the Nazis. The whole thing is a major clamp on critical thinking. It just shuts down thought and discussion.

    Hodgson should be fired, he’s useless anyway.

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  110. tom hunter (4,430 comments) says:

    Well I’ll be damned. A couple of days after my request above, for an alternative narrative on this subject to be given by a cartoonist – Tom Scott goes ahead and actually gives one.

    I still think my scenario had more bite, but baby steps are always to be encouraged.

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