Daylight Saving

October 3rd, 2012 at 7:35 am by David Farrar

I remarked on Monday to someone that daylight saving changes are no longer such a big thing. I recall the days of having to adjust all the clocks. But now the computers and the smart phones all adjust automatically, so you wake up on Sunday and that’s it.

Except for .

Stuff reports:

Four Jetstar flights between Wellington and Auckland were delayed because the airline forgot about daylight savings.

The 8.15am flight out of the capital on Sunday was about an hour late while crew waited for the plane to arrive from Cairns.

Clocks went forward early on Sunday morning, but that wasn’t factored into schedules. As a knock-on effect, three later flights on the route were delayed.

Unbelievable.

Jetstar NZ seems to be the Wheedle of airlines!

In Australia I have found Jetstar to be fine. It is just their NZ operations which are so continually lacking.

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19 Responses to “Daylight Saving”

  1. Mobile Michael (364 comments) says:

    New Jetstar slogan: You got what you paid for, so shut up.

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  2. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Thanks for explaining..We were due to fly south from Ak Sunday night..There was endless delays and a multitude of excuses.. An earlier Jetstar flight to the same destination had been cancelled..Some of these passengers were put on our plane..others were told when they got to the airport to come back the next day..It was almost 2 am by the time we reached home.

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  3. Elaycee (4,067 comments) says:

    Jetstar NZ seems to be the Wheedle of airlines!

    Yup – Jetstar is the Claytons airline – the airline you choose when you don’t really want an airline.

    Indeed, you pick Jetstar because:

    (a) You don’t mind crap customer service
    (b) You don’t mind if your flight is cancelled because they cannot sell enough seats
    (c) You don’t mind if your flight is cancelled for ‘mechanical issues’,,,
    (d) You don’t mind if they cannot even synchronise clocks…..

    Air NZ is certainly not perfect, but compared to this Jetstar outfit, Air NZ is stellar.

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  4. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    Never had a problem with Jetstar and I have flown with them from the beginning. Air NZ…ppffft I would rather walk. People have short memories. Remember when there was no competition? Air NZ would rip ya blind.

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  5. jonno1 (76 comments) says:

    They still do LAJ. Had to fly Ak-Wn at short notice during the ash cloud period (last year?) so no early-bird discounts. Jetstar fare about $400 but didn’t fly so ANZ charged me >$800 return. Now ANZ would have had some additional costs as they flew below the ash cloud, but 100% premium?

    Re Jetstar generally, I’ve flown with them several times with excellent service and no problems, admittedly a bit better in Australia than here. The simple rule is don’t use them for business if you have a deadline, comply with their check-in times etc, and you’ll be just fine.

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  6. East Wellington Superhero (1,151 comments) says:

    Normally I defend Jetstar. Largely because AirNZ bribes NZ reporters to talk up AirNZ and shoot down competitors. However, this fucking hopeless. The company I work with has IT issues around daylight savings change over. It’s hard to get a solution to fix the problem forever, but we do manage it at the time. Amazed Jetstar has screwed this up.

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  7. peterwn (2,935 comments) says:

    Hope that Jetstar realises that Queensland does not have summer time, so a repeat performance this coming weekend is a possibility. But then Qantas/ Jetstar probably work their whole timetable on Vic/NSW time (and adjust Qld schedules to suit) so there is unlikely to be a problem this weekend.

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  8. wreck1080 (3,522 comments) says:

    Give jetstar a break ha ha… even Einstein couldn’t figure out time.

    It appears jetstar fix problems reactively as opposed to proactively.

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  9. Elaycee (4,067 comments) says:

    The simple rule is don’t use them for business if you have a deadline,

    And therein lies the rub…. most people want to get from ‘A’ to ‘B’ without fuss – and on time! People travel for a reason – for example, I’m off to Bathurst this weekend and I’m on Air NZ. Would I consider flying Jetstar? No!

    Because I actually want to get there in time to drive out to our accommodation at Bathurst / to see Saturday practice / to see the race and not arrive in time to see the cars being loaded into the transporter for their journey home.

    But if I ever want a magical mystery tour, I’ll remember to consider Jetstar.

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  10. xasperated (1 comment) says:

    Air New Zealand flight out of SF was about 1.5 hours late because they got the time wrong for the crew pickup.

    The onboard travel thing kept telling me “Time to Destination: 2 hours Arrival Time: 4.00am Time at Destination: 3.00am”

    So – AirNZ don’t get it right either.

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  11. PaulL (5,775 comments) says:

    Two different things.

    One is about systems updating for daylight savings time. A lot of mainframe systems still run on local time, so have to be manually adjusted (my current client being one of them). Most midrange/linux systems run on UTC, so automatically adjust.

    The other is about working out that if a plane leaves from Qld, which has no daylight savings time, and comes to NZ that does have daylight savings, then it will get to NZ an hour later than you expected. And the next flight will be screwed up. That is partially a systems issue as ideally this would be automated, but mostly a people issue where someone should have asked the simple question of whether the flight was going to leave earlier from Qld or get in later to NZ. Not so hard.

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  12. Fletch (5,722 comments) says:

    I still think Daylight Savings start too early.
    There is still a load of shit weather before Summer really starts in November/December.
    They should have left it until after Labour Weekend like it used to be.

    I have never flown Jetstar (I don’t travel much), but have picked my brother up from their terminal, which looks like the forgotten broom closet at the farrrr end of all the other terminals in Auckland.

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  13. Steve (North Shore) (4,323 comments) says:

    Teletext was also a problem – took them 2 days to get it right, why am I suprised?

    Teletext is the usual source of correct time around here, or the cellphone. Do they have those ‘pip’ things on the steam radio anymore?

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  14. Steve (North Shore) (4,323 comments) says:

    This ‘Daylight Saving’ Where is it saved? how much does it cost to save? how much does it cost to get it back?

    Is it stored somewhere, like a cloud type thingy?

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  15. Steve (North Shore) (4,323 comments) says:

    Say this ‘Daylight Saving’ is like a Term Investment. Some shit happens and you want your ‘Daylight Saving’ back right now.

    The savers of your Daylight say “I’m sorry Sir, you can’t have it because we are using it. Call us next year”

    Then they fucking disappear don’t they?

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  16. PaulL (5,775 comments) says:

    Saving it for later Steve. Later in the day. You can hardly complain if you put some money aside in the morning, then spend it in the evening, that you don’t have it any more.

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  17. Fletch (5,722 comments) says:

    I like my daylight in the morning when I get up.
    There’s not much you can do with it at the end of the day when the weather is bad.

    Oh, and it doesn’t save energy consumption. They testing the theory back in 2000 at the Sydney Olympics when Victoria adopted Daylight Saving Time during the games.

    Our results show that the extension failed to conserve electricity. The point
    estimates suggest that energy consumption increased rather than decreased, and that the
    within-day usage pattern changed substantially, leading to a high morning peak load and
    high morning wholesale electricity prices. These results contradict the DST benefits
    claimed in prior literature, and indicate that proposals in Australia to extend DST
    permanently are unlikely to reduce energy use and GHG emissions.

    See data in PDF form HERE

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  18. PaulL (5,775 comments) says:

    I like daylight saving. Unlikely to get up before 6am, and even with daylight saving is generally getting light around then. Definitely still out of bed at 7pm or 8pm, and I like having some light when I get home from work.

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  19. Bullitt (135 comments) says:

    I love daylight saving. I would only change it so clocks go one hour forward around now then two hours forward in winter. Like 95% of people I get no value in extra daylight before I get up but I badly lack it when I get home from work.

    The only people who benefit from non daylight savings are people who are out of the house before 6am and for a lot of the year they will be doing that in the dark anyway so what is adding a few more months to it when they and everyone else benefits so much more in the evenings.

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