Garner says Labour coup is on

July 9th, 2013 at 9:15 pm by David Farrar

has tweeted:

Good source. Coup on in . Letter of no confidence being circulated. It’s over for Shearer. Watch for his resignation.

If this is right, then a fascinating Robertson v Cunliffe battle for the leadership – unless they do a deal and one does Leader and one Deputy.

Or will Little stand also and try to be the candidate in the middle, who can appeal to both the left supporting Cunliffe and the ABC faction? If Robertson is seen as too tied up in the recent bad political management, Little could come through the middle.

UPDATE: Chief Whip Chris Hipkins denies there is a coup:

@Garner_Live Your source is full of crap. No letter. No leadership challenge. Stop making things up.

Now I don’t believe Garner is making anything up. I have no doubt a source has told him that there is a letter of no confidence.

However it is possible Garner is being played by someone in Labour trying to destabilise Shearer. This was the Rudd vs Gillard strategy – keep the speculation alive, so the leader is so weakened that have to go.

Whether Garner’s source is correct or not will become apparent with time. Fascinating to watch.

UPDATE2: Duncan Garner has said on Radio Live that Patrick Gower has the letter, and will show it on Nightline tonight at 1030.

UPDATE3: Garner now says Gower not on Nightline. He has tweeted:

Gower not on nightline… labour MPs denying letter of course… Text book coup, 60 day warning, man ban, letter, denials, denials, gone.

This makes me think that there is no coup letter (at this stage), but that someone in Labour has started a destabilisation campaign.

UPDATE4: Grant Robertson has tweeted he has contacted every Labour MP, and they all deny there is a letter. So I think nothing is happening for now. However, the fact someone in Labour is creating trouble is not good for them.

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67 Responses to “Garner says Labour coup is on”

  1. double d (225 comments) says:

    bugger. shearer was so good for the government.
    oh well. popcorn as the nasty party get down and dirty with leadership battle. this will be fun to watch.

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  2. skyblue (209 comments) says:

    Just watched the train wreck. I can see why they are doing this. Pity, I liked DS as Labour leader

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  3. dishy (245 comments) says:

    Our dear friends over at The Stand-dud will blame National. They were saying last Friday that the Man Ban fuss was generated by National to divert attention from the GCSB debate.

    I hear he has some spare popcron for and coke for sale from the Gilmore days.

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  4. Colville (2,261 comments) says:

    Fuck. I really had hoped they were just too divided to roll him until after 2014. But I still dont see anyone in the top 20 able to stand up to Key.

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  5. slightlyrighty (2,471 comments) says:

    Shearer could have been a good leader for a unified party, but the factional nature of Labour is such that I cannot see any leader capable of leading such a rabble. So many factions need to be visibly represented. The LBGT faction, unionist and women, all with their own agenda and lack of unified direction, were all very quiet under the leadership of Helen Clark and the management of H2, and in hindsight one has to applaud their skill at managing to keep these people together and functioning cohesively for so long, regardless of how you regard them politically.

    Shearer has a reputation for being a likeable figure, but his weakness is that he seems to try to unify labour by showing no favouritism to any factions, and as a result, offending all of them. This is going to be nasty. Robertson as leader could be problematic. An openly gay leader may not be the best look for Waitakere man, and Cunliffe, while he could be an effective foil for Key, has the potential to deepen schisms within the Labour caucus.

    In any case this will only serve to highlight that Labour is not ready to lead a country, let alone pick a leader for themselves.

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  6. jims_whare (403 comments) says:

    Looks like Labour will be hogging the msm limelight for another week for the wrong reasons.

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  7. Nookin (3,281 comments) says:

    Little has the charisma of dial tone. He is not what anyone needs.

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  8. davidp (3,580 comments) says:

    I really don’t understand why the NZ Labour Party would look at the Australian Labor Party with their awful leaders, factions, back stabbing, and hopeless policies… and use them as a model.

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  9. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Little it is then, because he has the union cash, and the others are bigger tossers than he is.

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  10. bhudson (4,738 comments) says:

    ^^ Except National – he might be a very useful Labour leader from National’s perspective

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  11. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    From The Standard: “Apparently being driven by Shane Jones – aiming to get Little in, with him as number two.”

    Good grief.

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  12. Whafe (650 comments) says:

    Do we really think that David C or Grant R really could do better than Shearer? Seriously doubt it….

    I don’t see anyone within the party that could lead such a fragmented un-trust worthy group, seriously mean that

    They all seem to put themselves first, not the team so to speak… David Shearer is a nice guy, nice guys always come last… He hasn’t got the leadership skills required. From day one, he was meek and mild, weak as…..

    The bullet train is about to derail and hit a brick wall

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  13. bhudson (4,738 comments) says:

    Perhaps Little has agreed to stand as Robertson’s deputy? Cunliffe might outpoint them with the members votes, but Little could swing the unions to Robertson and those combined with the caucus might be enough to counter the vote advantage Cunliffe would get from the grassroots members.

    There also has to be an outside possibility of Labour’s equivalent of a ‘grand coalition’ with Roberston conceding that his future prospects as Cunliffe’s deputy are brighter than continuing as deputy driver on the Shearer train wreck, or the risk of losing a leadership battle to Cunliffe and being cast aside.

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  14. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    @chrishipkins

    @Garner_Live Your source is full of crap. No letter. No leadership challenge. Stop making things up.
    Retweeted by Grant Robertson

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  15. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Labour should switch to 50% + female leadership to be consistent with recent posturing. (if 50%+ of the caucus actually believe in it).

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  16. dishy (245 comments) says:

    Whafe, to do better than Shearer you need only show that you can: (a) remember where your money is; (b) show that your written questions of Key are more imaginative than “Does he stand by all his statements?”; and (c) string a few words together.

    So Shearer, do you stand by all your wimmin MPs? If so, why so?

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  17. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Garner has just said on Radio Live that @patrickgowernz has the letter and will show it on Nightline TV3.

    @bennettleton
    Cunliffe just left the chamber behind Goff live on screen with a writing pad! #doingthenumbers

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  18. slightlyrighty (2,471 comments) says:

    Which faction is Hipkins in again? Whichever one it is we can safely assume that is not the one where the discontent is being vocalised from!

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  19. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    David Shearer ‏@DavidJShearer

    Uh oh.

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  20. bhudson (4,738 comments) says:

    Hipkins appears to have hitched his barrow to the ass that is the current leadership

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  21. slightlyrighty (2,471 comments) says:

    Chris Trotter, who is a respected commentator of the Labour Party, has tried to collate the factions as best he can, having done so in March of this year, and he categorised it as follows:

    Team Shearer (14)

    David Shearer, Phil Goff, Annette King, Trevor Mallard, David Parker, Clayton Cosgrove, Shane Jones, Damien O’Connor, Darien Fenton, Kris Fa’afoi, Ross Robertson, Carol Beaumont, Maryan Street, Ruth Dyson.

    The Young and The Restless (9)

    Grant Robertson, Jacinda Ardern, Chris Hipkins, Phil Twyford, Clare Curran, Megan Woods, Ian Lees-Galloway, David Clark, Andrew Little.

    Cunliffe’s People (11)

    David Cunliffe, Lianne Dalziel, Moana Mackey, Nanaia Mahuta, Louisa Wall, Sue Moroney, Parekura Horomia, Rajen Prasad, Rino Tirikatene, Su’a William Sio, Raymond Huo.

    Now, with Horomia’s passing, where do the numbers fall? I can see Jones shifting favouritism, but in any case, getting all these people to throw their support behind one leader will be nigh on impossible.

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  22. wrightingright (143 comments) says:

    Noooo…. we must keep Shearer! He is doing some of the best work possible for the country, by helping keep Labour out of power.

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  23. OneTrack (3,020 comments) says:

    Has the sisterhood spoken after Shearer tried to shutdown the man ban?

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  24. Ultima (29 comments) says:

    Please god, please god, not Cunliffe. Can’t stand the thought of Marxism rhetoric from Cunliffe, Wussel, Turei, Hone, Minto. Makes Winston bearable against that lot.

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  25. Whafe (650 comments) says:

    Radio Live is saying Little is a heavy weight, a real scrapper… Give me strength, Little is, well little…….

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  26. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Little could be ok if they flag next year and plan towards 2017. It’s hard to see any less worse options.

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  27. Whafe (650 comments) says:

    Pete, Little has not even won a seat as yet…… Great work if it is Little, will be back to: Liabour, the gift that keeps giving

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  28. skyblue (209 comments) says:

    This is NZ. You don’t need a seat to be PM.
    Will be funny if they go further left in leadership, cannibalise the Green vote.

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  29. davidp (3,580 comments) says:

    Two of the last three Labour leaders have been men. They have either a quota or a target (I’m still not quite sure which following the dumping and quick-reinstatement of the man-ban under a different name today) to meet which will rule out Robertson and Cunliffe. I predict Moroney versus Fenton… with the result too close to call.

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  30. Whafe (650 comments) says:

    Yes agree you don’t need a seat, but it sure helps with getting some credibility. I guess the Unions, of which own the Liabour Party will pull Little through, he would be their choice…

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  31. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    ‏@grantrobertson1
    @Garner_Live Duncan, I have now confirmed with the whole Caucus. There is no letter. This is just made up. Apology?

    Duncan Garner ‏@Garner_Live
    @grantrobertson1 You’re being lied to Grant. I can’t apologise for that

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  32. bhudson (4,738 comments) says:

    Yes, Grant seems quite angry about the story.

    Is that because he thinks it is made up? Or is it because he is worried that a coup is underway and he is not controlling it?

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  33. skyblue (209 comments) says:

    bhud – GR is a knob who is a pawn, not a king (or queen in his instance) in his mind.

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  34. PaulP (146 comments) says:

    Gower has just been on TV3 nightline talking about man ban. No mention of a letter.

    Maybe it’s Gower having a coup over Garner by making him looking foolish!

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  35. axeman (252 comments) says:

    Silent T claimed his unwavering support to his leader Cap’n Mumblefuck this morning. Is that a Tui billboard caption?

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  36. edhunter (536 comments) says:

    Having just witnessed Kev’s coup first hand, I seriously despair at the fickleness of your below average punter & their reliance on the msm to tell them what to do & what to think.
    Lets face it the last 1 term govt in NZ was Kirk’s in 72-75, Goff therefore was the necessary sacrificial lamb, the only problem was Helen did such a good job of eliminating rivals that even now 5yrs after her departure there is no obvious successor. But never fear the MSM will come to ‘our’ rescue & tell us what to do.

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  37. Yoza (1,808 comments) says:

    “Silent T claimed his unwavering support to his leader Cap’n Mumblefuck this morning.”

    Yeah, I saw Cunliffe saying Shearer had his full support on TV3 News. This made me laugh as that line tends to crop up frequently just before the knife goes in: March 14, 44 BC “Ceaser has my full support” Marcus Brutus.

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  38. Shunda barunda (2,977 comments) says:

    They were saying last Friday that the Man Ban fuss was generated by National to divert attention from the GCSB debate.

    Ha! Next they will be accusing the National party of actually WRITING any Labour party policy that proves unpopular!! :)

    What a joke this party has become, my bet is that party will fracture completely before the next election.

    The Left have worked so hard to destroy the middle ground on so many issues that they just can’t get it back. kiwis just don’t seem to be in the mood for this crap any more.

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  39. Honeybadger (204 comments) says:

    I heard Helen was packing up her office and coming on home…..

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  40. Fisiani (1,031 comments) says:

    National should be cautious. They polled an mmp record high in 2011 of 47% and are aiming for a third term. Unless they poll a new record score of over 50% thenthey could be out of government. Labour cannot surely be so useless for another 16 months. The Greens will hide their loony economic plans from the voters and pray for a Rena type environmental disaster two weeks from polling day. Labour plus Greens plus NZF plus Mana couldlooklike a strong government in waiting. Complacency is a vote killer.
    Do you want a strong NATIONAL government or a weak one?
    Do you want a prosperative government or one based on North Korea.
    I still reckon it is too close to call at this stage.

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  41. kiwi in america (2,428 comments) says:

    I have no doubt that Robertson is angling despite his denials to Duncan Garner and it seems clear he maneuvered to deliberately be away from the NZ Council Meeting for long enough to miss the man ban discussion to give him plausible deniability. He knew that Shearer was not going to be at that meeting as he was campaigning in Ikaroa Rawhiti and that a NZ Council endorsement would result in media speculation as to whether Shearer was for or against the ban. Since Shearer’s train wreck of an interview over the man ban scrapping yesterday, Robertson will be frantically doing the numbers as will Cunliffe.

    Having been somewhat on the inside of a Labour coup (during Clark’s toppling of Moore), the naked self interest has to be seen to be believed. The key will be how quickly the Shearer camp realize their man is done for and where those votes will go. They are the core of ABC (Anyone But Cunliffe) but some will baulk at Robertson fearing Waitakere Man (already offended by the man ban) will not take kindly to an openly gay leader. Little may emerge as a consensus candidate for the Shearer and ABC group. The young guns may side with the Cunliffe camp and just have the numbers. In any event, under the new rules it has to go to the party now – all the caucus can do is vote to trigger a leadership vote. Cunliffe will win the party, Little the unions and the caucus likely I believe will back Robertson in the end. This I do know – Labour’s constitutional change has ensured that the messiness of a leadership change, that used to be limited to a week of bad media, will now drag out for months as the media study the entrails of the various power blocks inside Labour. Oh and then there’s the backlash from the more left leaning Labour activists who backed the man ban who won’t take too kindly to the arbitrary back down announced yesterday.

    We’re going to be passing the popcorn for months not to mentioned hearing zingers from John Key neatly inserted into answers to Parliamentary Questions! This is the end result of political correctness gone mad.

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  42. big bruv (13,718 comments) says:

    I’m not sure that Trotter is so innocent in all of this. Remember he is of the hard left, very much in the silent ‘T’ camp and it would not surprise me to find that Trotter is making shit up in an effort to get his man into the job.

    Having said that, I don’t care if it is Shearer, Little or Silent ‘T’, none of those men have the personality to beat Key.

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  43. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    How come Gower has a letter but then doesnt?
    I dont like labour and enjoy seeing them go down in the polll, but a bumbling incompetent leader is just not fun as its not a fair fight

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  44. Scott1 (528 comments) says:

    Elections will be much more fun with Cunliffe as the leader of the labour party.
    He will bring some smarmy swagger!

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  45. Mobile Michael (445 comments) says:

    David Shearer’s leadership must be fatally wounded if the media are running these stories even with no hard evidence. But his performance at the press stand up yeserday was embarassing he forgot all his lines and couldn’t move the conversation on from the Man Ban to shut the story down from the substance to his leadership is probably why.

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  46. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    If you missed the excitement last night this is how it happened – Labour coup unfolds, unravels

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  47. big bruv (13,718 comments) says:

    Pete George

    I think you have more to worry about than the drama unfolding inside the Labour party. Would you not be better served turning your guns on the political whore who was once the leader of the UF party?.
    Why not demand of Dunne that he release the emails?

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  48. AG (1,824 comments) says:

    Fuck me, but this has to be the funniest post I’ve ever seen!

    From “There is a letter of no confidence – Shearer is about to resign”!, to “there is a letter and it will be on TV tonight!”, to “OK, so there is no letter, but someone told me there was, and that’s just as bad”. Note also Garner never says his source is from within Labour – given his standards of “journalism”, it wouldn’t surprise me if Cameron Slater rang him up and said he had heard there was one and so Garner leaped straight onto Twitter.

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  49. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    Why not demand of Dunne that he release the emails?

    Oh, no. That would be a crime against decency: the whore Dunne must be protected at all cost.

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  50. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    bb – because he shouldn’t have to release private communication between a journalist and an MP. Many MPs have realised how big a problem would be created by forcing into public the private communications of MPs.

    And because I don’t think the emails would prove anything about the Kitteridge report release.

    And because fair justice demands that evidence has be produced to prove a case. Demanding an accused person reveal everything to prove they didn’t do something is absurd.

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  51. Nigel Kearney (979 comments) says:

    Some random comments:

    1. I doubt Garner would say Gower had the letter unless he really did. I doubt Gower would have the letter and not run it. The explanation that fits is somebody circulated a fake letter to media but not MPs. Gower found out it was fake so did’t use it. Destabilization tactics, maybe not even by an MP.

    2. Why not Little as leader? Lack of charisma is not fatal. Bolger won three elections.

    3. Hipkins is not in the Shearer camp or any other camp. He is an apparatchik who will loyally, vocally and publicly vow undying support for the leader, whoever that happens to be at the time. Some of the others listed in team Shearer are the same. Not reliable supporters.

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  52. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    AG – “Note also Garner never says his source is from within Labour” – wrong.

    @Regan_Gibbons
    When did Whaloil become a good source?

    Duncan Garner ‏@Garner_Live
    Wrong. Internal caucus source.

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  53. AG (1,824 comments) says:

    Ah well, then. I guess we can treat that statement with the level of respect Garner’s reporting record deserves.

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  54. big bruv (13,718 comments) says:

    PG

    “And because I don’t think the emails would prove anything about the Kitteridge report release.”

    Oh…so we are supposed to take your (or the Political whore’s) word for it are we?

    No Pete, Dunne has proved that he is a man with no principals; his very actions confirm that he will do whatever is best for Peter Dunne. Those same actions also prove that Dunne is a man who cannot be trusted and the last man whose “word” we should take.

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  55. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    So who’s word are you going to take bb?

    David Henry produced absolutely no evidence. Winston Peters produced absolutely no evidence.

    What you and others are doing are making claims based on your own prejudices, totally unfounded on anything of substance.

    Peter Dunne has told me his version in person, with his wife present and fully supporting his story, providing corroborating testimony. I trust that much more than people like you making shit up.

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  56. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    big bruv, do not be so harsh on the whore Dunne. He deserves our compassion, and could well end up being the next Minister of revenue in a Labour-Green government.

    The principled courtesan and political prostitute from Ohariu-Belmont deserves love and understanding.

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  57. hmmokrightitis (1,586 comments) says:

    Garner wouldnt make a baseless claim. Yeah, he’s a cock, but if he said he has a source, he has a source.

    Destabilisation 101 at its very best from within labour. Watch the next month of polls plummet, Shearer seek a vote of confidence (if he has the nuts) and then a huge scrap ensue.

    I suspect the NZ public are looking on in wonder thinking WTF, you think we want to elect you? Why would you think that?

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  58. kowtow (8,315 comments) says:

    Coup,what coup?

    Normally to qualify for a coup there’s got to be tanks outside the palace,jeeps patrolling,martial music broadcast on state radio and tv……

    Here in Aotearoa/New Zealand the citizens can tell all is normal in Labour because young men run naked and fearful in the night,men can “marry” men and strange women who loudly proclaim equality have policies that discriminate in their favour………

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  59. iMP (2,364 comments) says:

    Summary of who thinks what…

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/07/10/alp-fever-nz-lies-or-a-labour-leadership-coup/

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  60. hmmokrightitis (1,586 comments) says:

    Wonder if Garner is having a conversation with a certain source at the moment, asking if he has been used. Wonder if Garner ‘has’ anything on that source…

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  61. James Stephenson (2,152 comments) says:

    I suspect the NZ public are looking on in wonder thinking WTF, you think we want to elect you?

    …and yet 20something% of voters will blindly tick two red boxes, despite being unable to pick Captain Mumblefuck out of an ID parade.

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  62. RightNow (6,986 comments) says:

    Something happened to do with the Labour party? Who cares?

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  63. Black with a Vengeance (1,832 comments) says:

    I reckon someone got Chris Carter’s old Goff letter and tweaked it for maximum headless knucklehead effect…well played.

    Thread title should be…Donut gets dunked on :)

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  64. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Duncan Garner ‏@Garner_Live

    @patrickgowernz you gotta work harder PG…. Your 60 day source has the answer… go see that person ASAP.

    So Garner knows it’s the same source.

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  65. bhudson (4,738 comments) says:

    So Shearer is in record now in The Herald denying there is any coup attempt underway.

    If, after his performance yesterday, that is true, then the Labour have the leader they deserve.

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  66. Paulus (2,607 comments) says:

    Honeybadger

    Helen Clark is scheduled to be back in New Zealand in a few days time.
    I have received a flyer to announce her giving a lecture to the Golden Oldies in Tauranga on 7th August, outlining her role and that of the (Corrupt) UN.
    Well suited.
    Am sure that she will contact Grant Robertson and her try look alight Jacinda Ardern, to get them moving.

    She will offer David Shearer a job back with the UN in Somalia – would be easier that trying to lead the Labour Caucus who are being stuffed by the many different Labour Party factions.

    Andrew Little will get the job and get Helen Kelly drafted asap to show that the Unions really control the Labour Party.

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  67. chris (644 comments) says:

    National should be cautious. They polled an mmp record high in 2011 of 47% and are aiming for a third term. Unless they poll a new record score of over 50% then they could be out of government.

    Agreed. National could well end up in opposition with 60 seats in a 121/122 seat Parliament, facing a 4 headed hydra on the other side. I’m still not convinced Winston would go with the Labour/Greens but then it’s all about the baubles with him.

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