Labour’s proposed man ban

July 4th, 2013 at 10:26 am by David Farrar

continues lurching to the left, and stealing policies of the Greens. This time they are stealing the Greens policy for for candidate selection, but they have gone even further than the “fruit loops” and are proposing a “man ban”, where an electorate can apply to have a women only selection!

Whale has been leaked the proposed new Labour Party selection rules. They are embedded below.

The rule mandating a quota for women is:

New Rule 289A.  For the 2014 election the Moderating Committee shall, in determining the list, ensure that for any percentage of party vote likely to be obtained, and taking into account the electorate MPs likely to be elected with that level of Labour support, the resultant Caucus will comprise at least 45% women.  For the 2017 and subsequent elections the percentage shall be at least 50%.

So this is a fully fledged quota for women. No more having to compete on merit. If Labour looks to get 50 MPs, then at least 23 of them in 2014 must be women, and from 2017 at least half of them must be women.

Note that the 50% quota is a minimum. Under this rule a caucus of 75% women and 25% men would be fine, but a caucus of 48% women must not be allowed.

New Rule 248A. An LEC may request that NZ Council determine that only women may nominate for the position of Labour candidate for their electorate. Such approval overrides the right granted in Rule 251 for any member to be eligible for nomination.

This is the one that takes the cake. Labour wants electorates to be able to ban men from even seeking selection for that seat. I don’t think even the Greens are that deranged.

I fervently hope that the Labour Party conference adopts these new rules. It will help marginalise them and make them more unelectable. Imagine having to campaign for a party that bans men from seeking selection in some seats!

I suspect some MPs will speak out against these changes, as they tried to do with the change to the leadership election rules. But the fervent activists will no doubt ignore them again.

Labour Party Rule Changes 2013 Final by Cam Slater

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80 Responses to “Labour’s proposed man ban”

  1. Graeme Edgeler (3,277 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  2. CHFR (219 comments) says:

    We all know how well EMILY’s list has worked for Australia Labour, bring it on I say

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  3. labrator (1,846 comments) says:

    I wonder how this would work for a candidate who has no balls?

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  4. jims_whare (399 comments) says:

    Great. Labour really are trying to chase Bill English’s 22% for next year’s election.

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  5. OneTrack (2,818 comments) says:

    Where is the quota for gays and lesbians? Is that next week?

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  6. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Given how broken spirited and pussy whipped New Zealand males are, this policy is set to be a winner.

    We regularly see the mind set demonstrated on KB, with constant references to women as “victims” in need of special rights and privileges.

    NZ men [sic] think the only way to impress the ladies is grovel to their feminist masters ever harder. This absurd policy has every chance of becoming law.

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  7. Auberon (873 comments) says:

    In the words of the great Maurice Williamson, my gast is truly flabbered. That’s insane.

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  8. Ashley Schaeffer (441 comments) says:

    Isn’t it funny how the Left love to wank on about discrimination, but have no qualms about enforcing quotas which most definitely discriminate. And what about those men who “identify themselves as women”? Where do they sit in the quota game? My Labour stalwart ancestors will be turning in their graves.

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  9. Pete George (23,329 comments) says:

    This is ludicrous.

    They won’t be able to guarantee reaching a 45% (and then 50%) female caucus because they can’t be sure who will win electorates. I guess they can get close by ensuring there’s 45% + females in marginal seats, but to guarantee reaching the quota they would have to have a margin for error of a few percent.

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  10. RRM (9,662 comments) says:

    :shock: Holy fuck.

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  11. sparky (235 comments) says:

    What next will this Looney Labour Party cook up. They have definitely spent too much time with the Nutty Greens.

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  12. Pete George (23,329 comments) says:

    I wonder if Mallard and Cosgrove will be desperate enough to stay in Parliament to have a sex change.

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  13. dime (9,664 comments) says:

    “Nonsense. Plenty of merit competition. But within gender groups, rather than between them.”

    you left out the /s

    right?

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  14. OneTrack (2,818 comments) says:

    “Nonsense. Plenty of merit competition. But within gender groups, rather than between them”

    Rubbish. It is saying that women will be higher on the list than their relative skill level might justify ie token females will be higher on the list for no other reason than they haven’t got any balls ( to reuse labrators phrase ). So should I respect the woman who is number five on the list knowing that possibly all the males on the list under her may be better than her. But her position means that she is going to become a minister and they aren’t?

    Yeah, cunning plan Labour.

    The. Mind. Boggles.

    Rhetorical question – why is it always all about sex on the left?

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  15. David Garrett (6,774 comments) says:

    This is fantastic news! And because Whale has leaked it, they are virtually obliged to confirm or deny that these changes have been proposed…What a delightful prospect though…potentially half the Labour caucus being like Alamein Kopu…

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  16. jims_whare (399 comments) says:

    So how do the candidates prove they are women and eligible for selection?

    Sadly with many of their current or former MP’s it can be hard to tell….

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  17. rouppe (943 comments) says:

    Interesting how you can ban men, but imagine trying to ban Maoris, or gays…

    Another interesting interpretation is that this is following a wee bit like the (former) Egyptian president and the Muslim Brotherhood. Morsi gets in after making a big play on how ‘moderate’ he is, but then slowly tightens the screws to conform to the conservative Islamic preferences of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Labour say how moderate and sensible they are, but behind the scenes turn the screws to conform to the extreme socialist preferences of the ruling council.

    Scary, very scary…

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  18. Graeme Edgeler (3,277 comments) says:

    right?

    Mostly.

    I do think it’s a stupid idea. But the idea that there is no competition between women seeking list spots, and that those selected didn’t outrank other women based on merit is wrong.

    Even with the system, which I think is stupid, merit will play a big part, and certainly not no part.

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  19. OneTrack (2,818 comments) says:

    There goes my hope that Labour would be able to moderate the Greens after 2014.

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  20. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    How do they categorise “delicate” candidates, which there are many in today’s Labour Party? Do they count as “females”?

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  21. Redbaiter (8,022 comments) says:

    Why would any real man vote for Labour?

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  22. dime (9,664 comments) says:

    “So this is a fully fledged quota for women. No more having to compete on merit. ”

    GE – The implication being they no longer have to compete on merit against men.

    As with any of these whacky left wing ideas, just substitute the word women for something else. eg a quota for white people, a quota for white men.

    “labour say a maximum of 50% non-whites allowed! but 95% whites is A OK!”
    “labour say a maximum of 50% chicks allowed! but 95% dudes is A OK!”

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  23. dime (9,664 comments) says:

    Redbaiter – any informed real man wouldnt.

    This should go down well with the “west auckland man” vote that they are chasing

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  24. Right of way is Way of Right (1,129 comments) says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcMd1F1acSo

    Seems like Mssr’s Barker and Corbett may have been unusually prescient!

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  25. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    “Where is the quota for gays and lesbians? Is that next week?”

    I wonder what/where New Zealand’s first ‘Gay Electorate’ will be? (You just know it is on the cards..)

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  26. Sidey (249 comments) says:

    How do they categorise “delicate” candidates, which there are many in today’s Labour Party? Do they count as “females”

    What if there is only one female candidate, but several “delicate” male candidates? And what if the female candidate doesn’t meet the apparent minimum weight requirement applied to male MPs?

    If only there was a way to select candidates based on qualifications and suitability for the role. If only…

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  27. David Garrett (6,774 comments) says:

    Have to agree with Russell on this one…I bet there are very few blokes in public bars – yes, you can still find some – who admit to being members of the Labour Party these days…still fewer once this becomes more widely known…

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  28. Redbaiter (8,022 comments) says:

    Hooray- finally, after days and days and thousands of words, a comment that doesn’t mention Redbaiter.

    Well done, Snidey, knew you could do it.

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  29. Zebulon (78 comments) says:

    Fresh from its resounding own goal of bringing down a potential coalition partner (Peter Dunne) and a liking for focusing on trivia over the big picture, we now have this outstandingly funny Labour proposal. Obviously they don’t want to be taken seriously as a political party and are moving to occupy the electorate space normally occupied by the McGillicuddy Party. They are so stupid they are funny.

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  30. Pita (373 comments) says:

    The Labour party and its acolytes have completely lost sight of their raison d’etre with a paroxysm of mutual masturbation.

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  31. Chuck Bird (4,765 comments) says:

    “Why would any real man vote for Labour? ”

    Why would any real man vote for National?

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  32. itstricky (1,697 comments) says:

    Given this came from a quality source grain of salt required. But as much as it is a silly practical idea that limits the capabilities of the party it is also a clever marketing idea. I mean what political party doesn’t put an Asian candidate out for East Auckland? In case it escaped you, this split does reflect the voting public. Meanwhile… Where is the story on GSCB/Key/Dotcom/inquiry?

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  33. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    I guess they can get close by ensuring there’s 45% + females in marginal seats, but to guarantee reaching the quota they would have to have a margin for error of a few percent.

    They have left themselves a rather large “out” in that they take into account seats they are likely to win – if their assumptions don’t prove correct then strict enforcement of the quota wouldn’t apply – i.e. there is no ‘cast iron’ guarantee.

    It does suggest, though, that more LECs may choose, or be lobbied, to request women-only selections so as to make it more likely that the quota will be attained.

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  34. Tom Barker (133 comments) says:

    Denmark introduced a quota system to increase the number of women on the boards of private companies. They had to have 40% female directors. Result – very few extra women on the boards. But a fortunate group of 70, known as the ‘golden skirts’, went from sitting on a single board each, to sitting on the boards of more than 300 companies.

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  35. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    So much misogyny on this thread. I am OFFENDED. Why do you all feel threatened by women having a voice ? If you were REAL men you would support this. I bet you all have small dicks… blah blah blah

    Signed NZ Male. LOL :)

    You will all piss and moan on KB, but at the end of the day you lot will bend over and take it just like you always have.

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  36. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (837 comments) says:

    Big deal bros – Labour is going to be sleep walking to victory in 2014 with the help of Greens who are polling extremely strongly. Also with uncle Kim threatening to release evidence against John Key in court, game over folks. So don’t make these kind of silly issues a big deal. Even if Labour put up card board cut outs as their candidates, they will be selected with huge majorities.

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  37. edhunter (520 comments) says:

    Interesting that in Australia Rudd is taking Labor back to the centre.
    With Abbott having been more than happy to let Labor self destruct as opposed to actually providing any real policies it’ll be interesting to see how much ground Rudd can claw back.

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  38. Raphael (79 comments) says:

    so either they need to ban men from standing in any electorate, or seriously stack the list with women.

    My reasoning for that is there is no guarantee that a candidate will win the electorate seat. if for some reason all their female candidates standing in electorate seats didn’t get elected, but all their male candidates did then the list needs to have to be mostly female to make up the shortfall in their percentages. They can’t force a male candidate who wins an electorate seat to step aside, because that will force a by-election.
    Or they have only females allowed to campaign for electorate seats and around 50% of the list allowed to be male.

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  39. Ryan Sproull (7,060 comments) says:

    While I’m not in favour of this policy, I’m less opposed to it than I was before I read the comments on this post.

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  40. Alan Johnstone (1,082 comments) says:

    I would overstate the importance of this, the UK labour party has had AWS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-women_shortlists#1997_election) since 1997 and it didn’t stop them ruling for most of that time.

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  41. peterwn (3,213 comments) says:

    This must surely be a some sort of practical joke. It is unbelievable that Labour would so readily hand its head on a plate to John Key.

    As a reality check for the policy, just look at the Nelson electorate. Maryan Street’s continued candidacy there is a gift that keeps on giving for Nick Smith.

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  42. Alan Johnstone (1,082 comments) says:

    @ Itstricky 11:18 ” I mean what political party doesn’t put an Asian candidate out for East Auckland?”

    Hmm, National ? They hold Pakuranga and Botany with Maurice and Jami-lee

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  43. RightNow (6,841 comments) says:

    checking for Satire tag. Nope.

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  44. lilman (928 comments) says:

    Someone asked “When will the quota for gays and lesbians be annonced -next week?”.
    All I can say is that I dont think the gays and lesbians would agree to a quota because they wont want to have less than 50 percent of candidates as the have more than half now!

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  45. kowtow (7,949 comments) says:

    Why complain and decry this?

    Wasn’t long ago we were championing “equality” and talking about the wrong side of history……this is just more of the same.

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  46. Viking2 (11,276 comments) says:

    I have identified the problem. yep
    you see Labour has so many Union clowns who think its a contest between them and a boss. So the tactic is to stick it to the boss, in this case the voter by proxy.

    Rather screwed thinking but the symptoms are all there.
    Is Andrew really the one in charge??

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  47. Shunda barunda (2,966 comments) says:

    But positive dissscwwimmmination is good dissscwwimmmination, right?

    We also get to rid the party of evil pig males! :)

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  48. slightlyrighty (2,499 comments) says:

    I’ve heard of gerrymandering…. Is this Jennymandering??

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  49. flipper (3,846 comments) says:

    Say Red..
    Do you not mean quiche?

    But, thank god quiche eaters have more sense than those f/wit labour pricks, or fools like Street and her Radio NZ whore..

    Moreover….

    When can we expect to Graeme Edg… to ask the Electoral Commission to demand that Labour front up with the requisite number of signed, verifiable member registrations?

    Oh, and in passing, for all who would cast National in to the abyss, paid membership now exceeds 70,000, does it not David?

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  50. MT_Tinman (3,044 comments) says:

    Kea (5,661) Says:
    July 4th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    You will all piss and moan on KB, but at the end of the day you lot will bend over and take it just like you always have.

    You are correct that I will piss and moan about this however I believe it involves one of the most serious problems facing us today so take it up the ass I may not.

    NZ needs legislation preventing any organisation desiring to participate in the governance of anything within NZ (from the local scrabble club to Parliament) from being fully and openly democratic in it’s candidate selection policy.

    eg, if a human wants to stand for selection for a handicapped, lesbian, Maori seat and can get himself nominated that nomination must be accepted, even if that human is a white, male hetro-sex addict.

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  51. s.russell (1,580 comments) says:

    As Alan Johnstone points out above, UK Labour have been doing much worse than this for 15 years: with HQ forcing electorates to limit their selection choices. The NZ Labour proposal only shuts men out of an electorate if the LEC so chooses itself, and I suspect they are only going to do that if they pre-decided on a woman candidate anyway, so it won’t change much. As for the list, even National has an informal quota system, so again, the change won’t be a large one. Still a bad idea, but lets not get carried away…

    Sir Cullen,

    with uncle Kim threatening to release evidence against John Key in court, game over folks.

    So, NZ’s least-trusted man, having a record of illegal dealing overseas, and facing an extradition warrant, is threatening to release “evidence” that John Key did some unspecified something? How terrifying! He should obviously fall on his swaord at once!

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  52. itstricky (1,697 comments) says:

    Alan
    sorry theoritical stereotype that I pucked off the top of my head to demonstrate that it would be a useful ploy to match your politicans with your voting public

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  53. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    A quote I heard a while back goes like this….”Any politician or party who’s overt path into power involves the blatant setting of some Citizens against others should be watched and discarded from voting consideration”

    That would instantly disqualify Winston First, Mana, Labour and the Greens….all of whom have whipped up a “them and You” frenzy re various groups like Asians, Pakeha,”The Rich” etc…

    Maori Party…mmmm

    National and ACT to their credit don’t engage in anything remotely close…..claims to them “beneficiary bashing” fail to fly.

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  54. AG (1,810 comments) says:

    My God … what sort of crazy, unelectable bunch of PC ideologues would want to adopt this policy?

    The UK Conservative Party, that’s who: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cameron-to-insist-on-womenonly-shortlists-1806259.html

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  55. itstricky (1,697 comments) says:

    Hilarious. It’s a party selection policy yet the overwhelming sentiment is that it’s more important than the magna carta. Must be legislated!

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  56. itstricky (1,697 comments) says:

    Scorned not really on topic but also instantly disqualified would be 1law4all. If you say not, you are dreaming. Or brainwashed.

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  57. itstricky (1,697 comments) says:

    AG – that kept my laughter up. Expect -told you so- comment from redbaiter any second

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  58. Redbaiter (8,022 comments) says:

    “The UK Conservative Party, that’s who:”

    Damn right- another betrayal of their constituency by the left wingers who have infiltrated the Conservative party.

    Traitors who will destroy the party.

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  59. OneTrack (2,818 comments) says:

    “Hilarious. It’s a party selection policy yet the overwhelming sentiment is that it’s more important than the magna carta. Must be legislated”

    Not at all. I just can’t get over how retarded the left have really become over the last few years. They used to actually have a good backstory. Not any more. Its like Fonzie jumping that shark. Except the left does it every week. Now I don’t really know what they stand for. But I know I don’t like it. And the absolutely chilling concept that these guys (girls I should say shouldn’t I) will be in power following the next election because nutbar NZers “want a change”. Once they realise what the “change” means it will be too late.

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  60. Sponge (152 comments) says:

    My god! You couldn’t make this up…

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  61. lastmanstanding (1,241 comments) says:

    Just a thought folks. Isnt gender discrimination a breach of the Bill of Rights??????? Whether positive or negative discrimination is discrimination is discrimination.

    Oh I forgot. In the Socialist Party Words mean what THEY want them to mean as in Alice in Wonderland which is where this bunch of poofs and fairies belong

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  62. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Scorned not really on topic but also instantly disqualified would be 1law4all. If you say not, you are dreaming. Or brainwashed.

    My point was Labour are proposing an anti male policy….so setting some against others.

    And one law for all was in no way about setting some against others….quite the reverse. The state backed Apartheid we have endured for years has to go…and Don Brash had the courage to say so.

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  63. iMP (2,344 comments) says:

    WHAT a bunch of complete orbiting ideologue Wallies. It is completely sexist of course, but the quote of the day is mine I suspect

    “Only women can go in to Labour.”

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/07/04/only-women-can-go-in-to-labour/

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  64. Pete George (23,329 comments) says:

    …and men can just get fucked.

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  65. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    This outstanding initiative will allow even more of the talent pool of Labour womanhood to rise and join the cream of the crop already in Parliament – Ruth, Clare, Darien, Annette, Nanaia, Jacinda … Ah, what uncut jewels lie undiscovered in the hinterland?

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  66. stigie (1,003 comments) says:

    thedavincimode says……
    This outstanding initiative will allow even more of the talent pool of Labour womanhood to rise and join the cream of the crop already in Parliament – Ruth, Clare, Darien, Annette, Nanaia, Jacinda … Ah, what uncut jewels lie undiscovered in the hinterland?

    “God help us all”.

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  67. Alan Wilkinson (1,848 comments) says:

    The lunatics have taken over Labour’s asylum.

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  68. Bob (495 comments) says:

    I don’t think it is a good move for any organisation. Labour needs the best talent it can get. Why push a talented man aside just to make way for a woman? The same thing applies to Maori quotas. First women should come forward in large enough numbers to be sure of securing places then the more women there are the more individual talent will arise.

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  69. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    Labour needs the best talent it can get

    Present indications are that possessing talent and being a labour MP are mutually exclusive.

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  70. itstricky (1,697 comments) says:

    Scorned it is surely a stupid talent limiting move but I would hardly say it is anti male. Probably a smart move to corner a section of the voting public though if they can get over the hurdle.

    Yep as suspected if you can’t see it as them versus you, you’ve been brainwashed. Scary word that apartheid isn’t it? Wonder why it gets bandied around all the time? No point debating further.

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  71. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    I really do not know what the fuss is about. NZ has long treated men as an inferior under class. That is well entrenched in our society. This is just minor tinkering. The few “men” in the Labour camp are either gay or sniveling metrosexuals who their feminist masters merely keep as pets or whipping boys. If they had any balls they would not be in the Labour party.

    Personally I would rather deal with a female feminist than a creepy male one.

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  72. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Scorned it is surely a stupid talent limiting move but I would hardly say it is anti male.

    LOL :)

    We are fucked.

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  73. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    Seems a rather round about way of getting rid of the old sheepster.

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  74. slightlyrighty (2,499 comments) says:

    Poll on Stuff.co.nz currently shows 78% opposed to the idea…….

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8878722/Labour-proposes-women-only-rule

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  75. RF (1,343 comments) says:

    Joy joy joy. Had a quick look at the Standard and that guy with a face like a boiled boot – Mickey Mouse – is not a happy chappie. Feels that Labour has shot itself in the foot again. Cosgrove and O’connor are pissing blood over this little gem. The Rainbow branch has lifted its skirts and running around very excited that they have been recognised at last. This is pure gold for National.

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  76. Fletch (6,148 comments) says:

    Not to cause offence, but after Helen I’ve had enough of a taste of women in power to last me a lifetime.

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  77. Warren Murray (293 comments) says:

    Designed to help Helen Kelly and Moira Coatsworth parachute into vacant safe labour seats like Chch East, Rongatai and Mt Albert

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  78. UpandComer (523 comments) says:

    This is just absolute gold. I spat my coffee out just now reading this on stuff. Are Labour serious? What the hell is wrong with them? This is just gold. More great decision making from Grant he-man Robertson, focusing on the issues that matter. I just feel sorry for the men in the Labour party, where the atmosphere is such they have to put up with this absolute crap from their female and male harpy colleagues. What absolute gold.

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  79. KiwiGreg (3,221 comments) says:

    @ Warren you getting ahead of Shearer’s resignation aren’t you?

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  80. goldnkiwi (1,174 comments) says:

    I hope the women would refuse to be patronised. Vain hope I know but how insulting to our intelligence and innate abilities.

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