When is a repeal not a repeal?

July 27th, 2013 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

says it will repeal the controversial law if it wins the next election.

Sounds like a clear policy. If you read that, you would think that means they will return the law to its current state.

A Labour spokesman confirmed this afternoon the party would commission a review of the legislation and implement any changes that came out of that although the new law would remain in place until that process was completed.

So they’ll keep it for a bit, and then are they going to repeal it?

Well read this Herald story:

“We would have an independent review and legislation would come out of the review. The current legislation would need to be repealed, modified or whatever.”

So in fact Labour are not promising any sort of repeal. They are saying we will review the law after the election and maybe make some amendments to it then. They can’t details what actual changes they want.

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21 Responses to “When is a repeal not a repeal?”

  1. Redbaiter (10,470 comments) says:

    Yes, Labour are only using the occasion to stir public feeling against John Key.

    In fact they would relish having this much power to spy on citizens.

    I say a pox on both of their houses.

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  2. orewa1 (410 comments) says:

    None of the above minimizes the essential evil – that the GCSB bill is undemocratic, unnecessary, and contrary to public opinion as evidenced by the massive backlash from an all sides of the political spectrum. If National had integrity they would withdraw it and start again from scratch.

    The only good outcome has been the undoing of the Dunne Party.

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  3. tas (655 comments) says:

    Opposition for the sake of opposition…

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  4. hj (7,184 comments) says:

    “None of the above minimizes the essential evil – that the GCSB bill is undemocratic, unnecessary, and contrary to public opinion as evidenced by the massive backlash from an all sides of the political spectrum”
    ……………
    I’m still waiting for confirmation of this. I suspect most people don’t give a sh*t, but are happy if bad guys are caught out, be they tax evaders, terrorists…, drug dealers..

    isn’t a lot of this opposition from the sort of people who supported the Urewera Wankers?

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  5. mikenmild (12,445 comments) says:

    That’s right hj, if you think that the likes of the Human Rights Commission and the Law Society supported the Urewera ‘terrorists’.

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  6. flipper (4,332 comments) says:

    So will Labour/red melons gain 100 or 1000 votes by “promising” on the GCSB bill (and they have yet to see the “final” form, please note)?

    Whatever, they are already preaching to their own congregation. The great unwashed could not give a shit.

    For them, in 2014, it will be “the economy, the economy, the economy, STUPID”

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  7. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    So you support passing laws for the GCSB to spy on New Zealanders, yet criticise people who oppose this law change, where that opposition might not be 100% genuine?

    ok.

    What kind of parallel universe am I living in?

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  8. Manolo (14,179 comments) says:

    What kind of parallel universe am I living in?

    It’s called National Party, aka Labour Lite, headquarters.

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  9. hj (7,184 comments) says:

    mikenmild (6,895) Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 11:32 am
    That’s right hj, if you think that the likes of the Human Rights Commission and the Law Society supported the Urewera ‘terrorists’.
    ….
    The HRC are about as neutral as the Vatican.
    Have you checked out the Psychological Societies position on Te tritti?

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  10. edd (157 comments) says:

    @ hj

    “I suspect most people don’t give a sh*t, but are happy if bad guys are caught out, be they tax evaders, terrorists…, drug dealers..”

    Nobody has a problem with murderers being locked up. But Nelson Mandela was imprisoned for 25 years before becoming president of South Africa. Was he a criminal, or just an opponent of the government?

    One of the charges against Mandela was leaving the country without permission! What happens if a harsh Socialist gets the vote at the next election and wants to squash any resistance from free market advocates? They will have a nice new law giving them rights to spy on anyone who is deemed a threat to the future of the nation.

    I reckon they’d start by threatening anti communist bloggers like DPF and Whale oil. Just to keep them quiet at critical times.

    Come on people this is how left wing governments get power, the right wing leaves the door open and the left wing walks straight on through.

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  11. edd (157 comments) says:

    @ flipper

    “For them, in 2014, it will be “the economy, the economy, the economy, STUPID””

    The economy is growing in Chch, but it’s not growing anywhere else. The high dollar has gutted NZ good and proper. All Labor has to do is find a reasonable candidate and they will win.

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  12. edd (157 comments) says:

    I think it’s important to acknowledge reality first, and then find a way to be optimistic about it. If you ignore reality and go straight to optimism you run a big risk.

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  13. adze (2,130 comments) says:

    I think the Labour Party should change their name to ‘The Inquiry Party’. They don’t seem to have any talking points besides “we need a review on X” or “we need an independent inquiry on Y”. Unless it’s a Green Party policy that is.

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  14. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    Meanwhile, as everyone debates the merits of spying on NZers, the genuineness of the opposition, and some inconsequential amendments to the Bill, I am watching an enormous crowd march down Queen Street in protest. Methinks some people are too caught up in beltway politics and are blinded by party loyalty to see how unpopular their Orwellian Bill really is…

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  15. OneTrack (3,376 comments) says:

    Nickb – and then when the bomb goes off in the bus, those same losers will be crying “why didn’t the gummint do something, wah”

    But getting back to your protest, do those marchers actually know what they are protesting against and do the signs, etc., reflect that concern? Or is this just the usual rent-a-crowd who are really just against anything the National government does – “must get key”, “must get key”, ……..

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  16. hj (7,184 comments) says:

    edd (98) Says:

    South Africa is a different case as is Putin’s Russia where they are trumping up charges on people.

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  17. metcalph (1,367 comments) says:

    Who was the spokesman and why was his name not used in the report?

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  18. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    But getting back to your protest, do those marchers actually know what they are protesting against and do the signs, etc., reflect that concern? Or is this just the usual rent-a-crowd who are really just against anything the National government does – “must get key”, “must get key”, ……..

    I have no doubt some of them are, but is that a reason to discredit the protests when the NZ public is overwhelmingly opposed to the Bill, the Law Society and Human Rights Commission (to name a fraction of opposed organisations) have slammed it, and the public believe Kim Dotcom over Key?

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  19. edd (157 comments) says:

    I have never seen the right wing commentors get such a hammering on a three news comments page as I just did reading about the march. One line comments like – “it’s simple, they wont spy on you if your not breaking the law” getting the full treatment – “Hi Matt, I am assuming you weren’t there today to listen to 2 people who have never broken any laws give first hand accounts of being spied upon.”

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  20. edd (157 comments) says:

    @ hj

    “South Africa is a different case as is Putin’s Russia where they are trumping up charges on people.”

    They look different because we don’t subscribe to their ruling powers ideology. And as long as National is in power we won’t feel afraid of the spy bill. But when someone with a totally different ideology takes office in NZ look out… The tit for tat will be horrid. We have to respect democracy whether we like it or not…

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  21. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    and then when the bomb goes off in the bus, those same losers will be crying “why didn’t the gummint do something, wah”

    If the price of stopping bus bombings is mass surveillance of ordinary people, I’d rather have the bombings.

    I’m with Ben Frankin

    Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

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