Garner on the race

September 14th, 2013 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

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Cunliffe’s nose may just be ahead – but it’s not over: Robertson’s people won’t give up; they seriously dislike Cunliffe, they really do.

They really really do.

I have spoken to a number of Labour MPs in recent days who openly despise Cunliffe. The hatred and bile towards him has not subsided. It actually seems to have got stronger and louder in the final stretch of this race.

One senior MP in the Robertson camp described him to me over the weekend as “an insincere prat” who is “a fake that would be shown up bloody quickly”. Others have described him in similar terms. You get the point.

If Cunliffe wins, it will be fascinating to see what happens. There won’t be anything for several months as they get a poll bounce, but if things drop back then it could turn caustic.

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13 Responses to “Garner on the race”

  1. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    The presumption is they will get a poll bounce. Never presume, the electorate is a tad more educated than many give it credit for, anyone with an IQ over 6 already knows that Siltent T is a prat, its just he’s looking the best prat they’ve got.

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  2. kowtow (8,512 comments) says:

    Whoever wins it doesn’t matter.

    The Aotearoa MSM will get in behind. Unlike when Brash looked to become PM and they openly set out to destroy him.And it worked.

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  3. Chuck Bird (4,895 comments) says:

    If Cunliffe wins, it will be fascinating to see what happens.

    It is going to be fascinating to watch if Robertson wins. He will not always get soft interviews by libertarians and talk show host who censor calls.

    I do not believe he did not see his boyfriend enter the pub before he was asked if he was in the pub. He did not answer my question as to if he opposed NZ Blood Services policy not allow homosexuals to donate blood.

    If a female was standing and she was a raving feminist in her 20s at uni it is fair to ask her if she still held those view. The same would apply with a Maori. I am sure Shane Jones would answer any question on Maori or treaty issues. Why should homosexuals be treated differently?

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  4. Reid (16,491 comments) says:

    an insincere prat” who is “a fake that would be shown up bloody quickly

    I keep saying, Cunliffe is the sort of guy who the more you see of, the less you like. That comment is why that will happen. It can’t be avoided. You can’t disguise Silent-Tism, especially from the camera.

    That’s why I really really hope he wins. Because then we get to laugh and laugh at the silly old lefties for another three years.

    Hooray!

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  5. Yvette (2,822 comments) says:

    According then to David Farrar’s post three back “Final Vote Model update”, a raw Caucus vote of 35.3% for Cunliffe makes 12 Labour members if I figure right and Cunliffe would be one of them
    So 11 support Cunliffe against 22 who vote otherwise, including some who really, really seriously dislike him.

    And he dumped this woman who made an out-of-place comment, before anyone ruled such comments [realism about homosexuals] out of place, for the sake of Labour Party unity?

    Hooray, too!

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  6. BeeJay (72 comments) says:

    Sounds like – heads they lose, tails they lose!!

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  7. doggone7 (808 comments) says:

    So Garner will want Cunliffe to win because it will give him copy and scuttlebutt from here to eternity. But, having said that, he doesn’t really care because that’s what he will be seeking to find and work on whoever gets through. If the media outlook in politics were focussed on what was happening and the deals being done instead of personalities and the foibles of people we would be better served.

    When he was a kid Garner was probably one of those who kept saying to playmates (if he had any), “Ummmm, I’m telling on you” and go running to find the nearest adult because some other kid did something terrible. Something terrible like putting dirt on the back of the play truck instead of sand.

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  8. Mobile Michael (452 comments) says:

    I see Toby Manhire wondering why National is not moving to party involvement in leadership elections. I think we will see the reason over the next three months.

    And unlike Labour, National members get to elect their candidates, and therefore the pool of MPs. Which is far more important than electing MPs.

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  9. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    Quite so Mobile Michael – and the commentariat of the Left seems determined to try and shame National into adopting a method which Labour only embraced less than a year ago.

    Personally, I have no problem at all with the status quo. As you note, candidate selections are more robust than Labour’s (remember the Mana by-election?). And the party elects the president, whilst caucus elects the leader of the parliamentary wing of the party. That is exactly as it ought to be.

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  10. NK (1,244 comments) says:

    Those Labour MPs despise Cunliffe like they despise John Key.

    And for the same reasons.

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  11. Bovver (173 comments) says:

    “The Aotearoa MSM will get in behind. Unlike when Brash looked to become PM and they openly set out to destroy him.And it worked.”

    Yet if you go to the Strandard the comments there are the MSM will attack Cunliffe.

    Fair and balanced.

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  12. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Hows that NK?

    The Prime Minister is well ,the Prime Minister.
    The Prime Minister is actually in charge of the treasury benches.
    The Prime Minister IS the leader of his party.
    The Prime Minister as far as I know has never made a complete prick of himself at the Avondale market.
    The Prime Minister lives in Parnell not Herne Bay.
    The Prime Minister had breakfast cooked for him by the Governor General this week.
    The Prime Minister has the total support of his caucus , party and a a much bigger chunk of the population of New Zealand, cause he’s the Prime Minister you know.

    In fact I’m struggling to find find similarity between the two men at all, at all ,at all.

    So they can’t despise him for the same reasons because the Prime Minister is everything Silent T isn’t.
    So, you’ve had your shot NK, piss poor effort, bugger off.

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  13. HC (154 comments) says:

    It will be very interesting to see, so I will wait and see what a win by Robertson or more likely Cunliffe will mean and lead to. As for Duncan Garner, he is a motor mouth on Radio Live in the late afternoons, and I have heard so much in the way of partly bizarre, over excited, even ridiculous comments come from him over times, I would not give all he says all that much credit.

    He may be right sometimes, but certainly is not so on many other things at other times.

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