The sectors some on the left want to close down

September 5th, 2013 at 1:00 pm by David Farrar

The Dom Post reports:

The oil, gas and sector is the most productive sector in the economy, with workers earning an average of $105,000 a year and generating $333 for each hour worked, a government report shows.

Yet this is the sector that the Greens and some in Labour want to close down. We have Labour leadership candidates saying they want higher wages yet opposing anything that allows for more drilling or mining.

Economic Development Minister Steven Joyce said oil and mineral exports, excluding coal, were worth $2.8 billion last year.

That’s almost as much as the promises made by the leadership candidates this week!

“If we want more and better-paying jobs and more money to invest in our schools and hospitals, then we need to keep making the most of our abundant energy and minerals potential through environmentally responsible development,” Joyce said.

Or we can just print money!

However, the government report shows the petroleum and minerals sector, including gold, coal and aggregates, generates $333 an hour worked based on the GDP for the sector divided by the number of hours paid. That compares with the average of just $48 for each hour worked.

And workers are paid on average $105,000 a year – more than twice the New Zealand average.

Filthy rich pricks! Tax them more!

Also in the Dom Post:

Driven by booming prices, New Zealand’s terms of trade raced up almost 5 per cent in the June quarter as export prices rose at the same time as import prices dipped.

Another sector many on the left claim is bad for New Zealand and must not be allowed to expand!

It was the largest quarterly rise in the terms of trade in two years, as dairy prices rose 14 per cent in the June quarter.

More filthy rich pricks!

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57 Responses to “The sectors some on the left want to close down”

  1. Yoza (1,348 comments) says:

    What percentage of that $333 an hour stays in New Zealand?

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  2. Redbaiter (6,464 comments) says:

    Meanwhile-

    Watermelon ideas on electric power generation (wind, solar) have made it a luxury item in Germany.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/high-costs-and-errors-of-german-transition-to-renewable-energy-a-920288.html

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  3. Redbaiter (6,464 comments) says:

    “What percentage of that $333 an hour stays in New Zealand?”

    Doesn’t matter moron, whatever portion goes out, its traded for inward goods and services.

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  4. BigFish (131 comments) says:

    “Doesn’t matter moron, whatever portion goes out, its traded for inward goods and services.”

    Any profit that leaves NZ matters. The more profit that can be absorbed by NZ the better.

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  5. rangitoto (144 comments) says:

    I hope Yozza isn’t buying any TV’s, phones or cars. We don’t want any hypocrites do we.

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  6. flipper (3,268 comments) says:

    Yoza (657) Says:
    September 5th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
    What percentage of that $333 an hour stays in New Zealand?
    ******

    There is stupid and stupid Yoza. I find it hard to believe that any sane person would produce the crap that you post day after day, week after week …..

    I suppose it would help if you talked to the wise YODA. He would convince you that ARE SO FAR LEFT that you have fallen off Earth

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  7. Redbaiter (6,464 comments) says:

    “Any profit that leaves NZ matters. The more profit that can be absorbed by NZ the better.”

    So go drill a $100 million well in the offshore Canterbury basin yourself then.

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  8. kowtow (6,690 comments) says:

    When you’re rich and comfortable you can deny wealth to all and sundry.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9121336/Deep-sea-oil-plans-anger-stars

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  9. Sector 7g (229 comments) says:

    What percentage of $0 stays in New Zealand Yoza?

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  10. wreck1080 (3,522 comments) says:

    “workers earning an average of $105,000 a year”

    I wonder if 80% of the income is going to the top 20% of CEO/senior execs, and 20% to the plebs doing the actual work.

    While I support the higher levels of management getting paid more, it has just gotten out of whack and if we continue like this we will end up with a 2 class society .

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  11. Cunningham (746 comments) says:

    Yoza (657) Says:

    What percentage of that $333 an hour stays in New Zealand?

    It wil be 0% if the Communist Greens and Labour get in.

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  12. Sector 7g (229 comments) says:

    Wreck

    Roustabout- $75000
    Roughneck- $85000
    Lead roughneck-$95000
    Derrickman-$105000
    Assistant driller- $$120000
    Driller-$140000
    Tour pusher-$160000
    Rig Superintendent- $180000

    Mechanic-$140000
    Electrician-$140000

    All of these above are the workers in the field doing the “work” (which im sure you mean “manual labour”)
    Do the math.
    The majority of these rig workers are uneducated who just want to work hard to make a good life for their family’s. lets vote to destroy them……you fucking asshole!

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  13. Redbaiter (6,464 comments) says:

    “When you’re rich and comfortable you can deny wealth to all and sundry.”

    Exactly.

    Sam Neill Lucy Lawless et al- brainwashed knuckle dragging morons who have made their money easy and want to pull the ladder up for strugglers.

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  14. Sector 7g (229 comments) says:

    Lucy Lawless wasn’t concerned about carbon emissions when she was flying around the world making her shit t.v show.

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  15. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Fact : if humanity keeps burning oil coal gas we will continue to warm the planet.

    Fact : warming the planet beyond two degrees C is considered to dangerous by the worlds governments.

    This 2C is unavoidable Unless we reduce co2 emissions now.

    Insults at the greens whilst avoiding acknowledging the reality of AGW is the pathetic stupidity of idiots unable to examine reality.

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  16. Redbaiter (6,464 comments) says:

    Oh gawd, the mad preacher has arrived.

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  17. Sector 7g (229 comments) says:

    Griff.

    Turn off your computer and contribute to reducing emissions.
    Fact: Griff is killing the world post by post
    Fact: Griff is a fuck head

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  18. Australis (99 comments) says:

    Yozza – “Any profit that leaves NZ matters”

    Oil gas and mining is a high-volume low-margin sector. Let’s say 10% of that $333 generated is net pre-tax profit. About $23 will flow out to that foreign investor. Yozza would like to give up the $310 that stays here to prevent the foreigner getting anything.

    We could keep the $23 here as well, if we borrowed (say) $600 to buy the foreigner’s share. But then we’d have to pay interest on our borrowing (to a foreign bank) and take all the risks that are inherent in mining businesses. And “we” would be using up our finite borrowing power, so couldn’t spend that money on something else which would benefit New Zealanders.

    Doesn’t make much sense, Yozza.

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  19. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Dear dear someone infringe on the rabies outpourings of the ostrich right with the fact of AGW.

    Right wing group think is not examining the problem.

    Any oil gas discovered in nz is not going to be developed before the AGW crisis becomes even more definite.

    Divestment of shares in co2 producing company’s is the only sane long term investment strategy.

    These shares are valued on future earnings and reserves that will not be realized In the coming economy less dependent on CO2.

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  20. Redbaiter (6,464 comments) says:

    Green Utopia Dying as Electric Cars Flop.

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  21. Redbaiter (6,464 comments) says:

    From my link above (1:20pm)

    Germany’s agressive and reckless expansion of wind and solar power has come with a hefty pricetag for consumers, and the costs often fall disproportionately on the poor. Government advisors are calling for a completely new start.

    Who gives a damn for the poor right? Press on MacGriff.

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  22. Sector 7g (229 comments) says:

    Fact: Griff hasn’t reduced his energy consumption yet

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  23. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Well done red it would be quite easy to list the wingnut political sites spreading misinformation and misdirection.

    You have supplied an English one.

    From the link given as proof of claim in your story we learn that the plug in car market had had growth of over 300% in the last year

    Global warming no policy foundation links story says.
    http://www.thegwpf.org/green-utopia-dying-electric-cars-flop/

    Yet Americans bought just 71,000 plug-in hybrids or all-electric vehicles in the past two years, according to GreenCarReports.com. That’s about a third as many as the Energy Department forecast in a 2011 report that attempted to explain why Obama’s goal was not preposterous.

    The story linked for this fact says

    In 2012, about 53,000 electric cars were likely sold–essentially triple the prior year’s number.

    Not bad, huh?

    Treble growth in one year . Stunning flopexpansion of a new paradigm in transport.

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  24. Sector 7g (229 comments) says:

    Fact: Griff just raised the sea level.

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  25. Rich Prick (1,319 comments) says:

    See what happens when religion becomes radicalised.

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  26. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Sector 7g
    Do I have to post my living arrangement again sigh.
    :lol:
    Low carbon Griff is.
    Off grid renewable Hybrid wind solar electrical powered in the middle of Auckland city is Griff.

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  27. Redbaiter (6,464 comments) says:

    Bjorn Lomborg-

    ridiculous subsidies for electric cars

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  28. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    The inability of the right to get past its greed and formulate future thinking policy means we will not find a solution before we have destroyed the planets carrying capacity for humanity.
    Efficient cars will be the lest of our worry’s .

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  29. Redbaiter (6,464 comments) says:

    “Off grid renewable Hybrid wind solar electrical powered in the middle of Auckland city is Griff.”

    Code for fouling our estuaries with sewage and polluting our environment with expired storage batteries and destructive manufacturing by products (minerals, chemicals and gases).

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  30. Redbaiter (6,464 comments) says:

    “The inability of the right to get past its greed ”

    Yes yes, the right is greedy, a daft infantile sentiment that underlines the Marxist thinking patterns of so called environmentalists. Watermelons, every one of the assholes.

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  31. Sector 7g (229 comments) says:

    Fact: Griffs electrical components were created with zero carbon emissions.
    Fact: Griffs hamster is getting tired
    Fact Griffs stone axe is blunt.

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  32. MT_Tinman (2,790 comments) says:

    Grif, any honest scientist will happily tell you that if you are correct it’s far to late to save the planet, if you are wrong it won’t matter.

    Me, I’m looking forward to warmer weather.

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  33. Redbaiter (6,464 comments) says:

    Staggering pollution from Chinese factories making parts for wind turbines.

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  34. gravedodger (1,426 comments) says:

    What a shit task being a socialist or a melon if you had a concience.

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  35. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (4,511) Says:
    September 5th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    “The inability of the right to get past its greed ”

    Yes yes, the right is greedy, a daft infantile sentiment that underlines the Marxist thinking patterns of so called environmentalists. Watermelons, every one of the assholes.

    Do you have a other word that describes mortgaging your kids future to support an unsupportable lifestyle?

    Failure to address co2 emissions and live in an increasingly inhospitable world.

    Cost of mitigation becomes more the longer we wait

    We have no choice but to transport our trades goods 1200km for our nearest trading partner.

    Developed nations will evaluate the carbon used in trade.

    The distance involved means our agricultural goods will be increasingly discounted because of their transport emissions.

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  36. Redbaiter (6,464 comments) says:

    As I said above, the mad preacher-

    REPENT GREEDY ANTI-AGW SINNER, OR DOOM WILL BEFALL YE..!!!

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  37. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    AS I say
    The right has no sane policy as the repeated denial of facts above show.
    This will result in ?
    1 the right becoming stronger.
    2 the right becoming irrelevant.

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  38. axeman (250 comments) says:

    Climate Alarmist Scientist Academic Jargon Translator

    “It has long been known” = I didn’t look up the original reference.

    “A definite trend is evident” = These data are practically meaningless.

    “While it has not been possible to provide definite answers to the questions” = An unsuccessful experiment, but I still hope to get it published.

    “Three of the samples were chosen for detailed study” = The other results didn’t make any sense.

    “Typical results are shown” = This is the prettiest graph.

    “These results will be in a subsequent report” = I might get around to this sometime, if pushed/funded.

    “In my experience” = once.

    “In case after case” = twice.

    “In a series of cases” = thrice.

    “It is believed that” = I think.

    “It is generally believed that” = A couple of others think so, too.

    “Correct within an order of magnitude” = Wrong.

    “According to statistical analysis” = Rumour has it.

    “A statistically oriented projection of the significance of these findings” = A wild guess.

    “A careful analysis of obtainable data” = Three pages of notes were obliterated when I knocked over a glass of pop.

    “It is clear that much additional work will be required before a complete understanding of this phenomenon occurs”= I don’t understand it.

    “After additional study by my colleagues” = They don’t understand it either.

    “Thanks are due to Joe Blotz for assistance with the experiment and to Cindy Adams for valuable discussions” = Mr Blotz did the work and Ms Adams explained to me what it meant.

    “A highly significant area for exploratory study” = A totally useless topic selected by my committee.

    “It is hoped that this study will stimulate further investigation in this field” = I quit.

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  39. Sector 7g (229 comments) says:

    Fact: We do have a choice.
    Fact: I just went and purchased some new light bulbs. I was going to get the “energy saving” kind but Griff persuaded me to get “the brightest ones available”.
    Fact: Griffs attitude just increased energy consumption.

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  40. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/your-labor-day-syria-reader-part-2-william-polk/279255/
    Syria has been convulsed by civil war since climate change came to Syria with a vengeance. Drought devastated the country from 2006 to 2011. Rainfall in most of the country fell below eight inches (20 cm) a year, the absolute minimum needed to sustain un-irrigated farming. Desperate for water, farmers began to tap aquifers with tens of thousands of new well. But, as they did, the water table quickly dropped to a level below which their pumps could lift it.

    [USDA Foreign Agricultural Service, Commodity Intelligence Report, May 9, 2008]

    In some areas, all agriculture ceased. In others crop failures reached 75%. And generally as much as 85% of livestock died of thirst or hunger. Hundreds of thousands of Syria’s farmers gave up, abandoned their farms and fled to the cities and towns in search of almost non-existent jobs and severely short food supplies. Outside observers including UN experts estimated that between 2 and 3 million of Syria’s 10 million rural inhabitants were reduced to “extreme poverty.”

    The domestic Syrian refugees immediately found that they had to compete not only with one another for scarce food, water and jobs, but also with the already existing foreign refugee population. Syria already was a refuge for quarter of a million Palestinians and about a hundred thousand people who had fled the war and occupation of Iraq. Formerly prosperous farmers were lucky to get jobs as hawkers or street sweepers. And in the desperation of the times, hostilities erupted among groups that were competing just to survive.

    Survival was the key issue. The senior UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) representative in Syria turned to the USAID program for help. Terming the situation “a perfect storm,” in November 2008, he warned that Syria faced “social destruction.” He noted that the Syrian Minister of Agriculture had “stated publicly that [the] economic and social fallout from the drought was ‘beyond our capacity as a country to deal with.’” But, his appeal fell on deaf ears: the USAID director commented that “we question whether limited USG resources should be directed toward this appeal at this time.” (reported on November 26, 2008 in cable 08DAMASCUS847_a to Washington and “leaked” to Wikileaks )

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  41. Bogusnews (425 comments) says:

    Very hard to know where to start with your nonsense Griff.

    We’ll start with the warming world one however. The earth hasn’t warmed for the last 15-17 years (depending on which data sets you examine.) So this means there are no school children alive who have lived in a warming world.

    My advice will be to give up before too much longer. I note that Al Gores foundation has shed nearly 90% of it’s staff. Even for those reality deniers it’s becoming a bit too tough. It’s likely to only get harder as the world continues to cool.

    As for the rest, well, can’t be bothered debating it really.

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  42. Yoza (1,348 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (4,515) Says:
    September 5th, 2013 at 1:21 pm


    “What percentage of that $333 an hour stays in New Zealand?”

    Doesn’t matter moron, whatever portion goes out, its traded for inward goods and services.

    This is complete nonsense. If profits are being repatriated by foreign corporations they are not doing so through inbound goods and services, those corporations are selling our finite resources and pocketing the profits while ensuring New Zealand receives as meager proportion of the revenue generated as is possible.

    rangitoto (85) Says:
    September 5th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    I hope Yozza isn’t buying any TV’s, phones or cars. We don’t want any hypocrites do we.

    This argument comes up quite regularly in debates of this kind. I am not against mining, I am against the exploitation of finite sovereign resources by private corporations without those private corporations being held accountable for the damage they cause to the environment or how they contribute to social development.

    If I were also opposed to all mining everywhere I would still not feel it was hypocritical to use a cell-phone, P.C., car or anything else reliant on mining. There is nowhere anyone can go to avoid using any object which has its origins in a mine or an oil well.
    It is a little bit like demanding those who oppose all socialist activity move somewhere where no socialist activity exists, it’s complete nonsense – these places cannot exist in the modern world.

    flipper (2,354) Says:
    September 5th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    You’re an idiot.

    Redbaiter (4,515) Says:
    September 5th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    “Any profit that leaves NZ matters. The more profit that can be absorbed by NZ the better.”

    So go drill a $100 million well in the offshore Canterbury basin yourself then.

    We do not need to exploit all of our finite resources immediately. The longer we leave those resources in the ground the more valuable they become as other countries are stripped of theirs. We should only be exploiting finite resources if we can meet a rigid criteria that ensures New Zealand society reaps the full benefit of that exploitation, the resource does not contribute to global warming and the site can be returned to a reasonably undamaged unpolluted state. Perfectly reasonable.

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  43. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Bogus

    The earth hasn’t warmed for the last 15-17 years (depending on which data sets you examine.) So this means there are no school children alive who have lived in a warming world.

    Two warmest years 2010 2005
    Arctic sea ice melting far faster than predicted surprising record of 2007 totally abolished in 2012.
    New evidence from satellites show ice loss in all regions of the world covered by ice caps. again surpassing previous records.
    The USA is still in drought.
    Australia just recorded its warmest 12 month period.
    NZ just had our warmest winter.
    All you are doing is using a cherry picked start date and ignoring the statistical significance.
    You dont take a data set and use only an anomalous start point
    !998 was the most intense El Nino we have seen since the discovery of enso It was also far warmer than the entire preceding Temperature record
    The reality is we now expect to get that temperature as normal. The next normal El nino will beat 1998 by a reasonable margin..

    * the antarctic winter sea ice is up 1% a decade due to fresh water from the melting land freezing quicker in winter
    http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/

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  44. Yoza (1,348 comments) says:

    Bogusnews (402) Says:
    September 5th, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    Very hard to know where to start with your nonsense Griff.

    We’ll start with the warming world one however. The earth hasn’t warmed for the last 15-17 years (depending on which data sets you examine.)

    This particular rendition of denier crazy talk demands the subject take as their point of reference one of the hottest years ever recorded (1998 I think), then compare all subsequent yearly average global temperatures to that year and, if no subsequent years are warmer, draw the conclusion that global warming is no longer occurring. As an argument it seems so embarrassingly stupid that it truly is surprising anyone would dredge it up for recycling.

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  45. Yoza (1,348 comments) says:

    Apparently 2012 was the 9th hottest year on record.


    “The NASA and NOAA reports put the average global temperature in 2012 about 14.6 degrees Celsius, which is six-tenths of a degree warmer than the mid-20th century baseline.

    The global temperature has risen by eight-tenths of a degree Celsius since 1880, according to the new analysis.”

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  46. hj (5,674 comments) says:

    If we mined finite resources and these were used to pay for sustainable infrastructure we would be getting ahead. National, however is very much business as usual and growth is good. This can be seen in it’s policies of population increase and development based around cars.

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  47. Redbaiter (6,464 comments) says:

    “This is complete nonsense.”

    That’s right, there’s no benefit from selling NZ oil or produce to overseas markets at all. In fact, even if there was, we shouldn’t do it because those firms doing it might be making a (shock horror) profit..!!

    Why don’t you just fuck off to Nth Korea you limp dicked commie lamebrain.

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  48. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    rangitoto (85) Says:
    September 5th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
    I hope Yozza isn’t buying any TV’s, phones or cars. We don’t want any hypocrites do we.

    Thanks mate. You saved me saying it. These fuzzy headed dreamers are happy to have all the benefits of modern industrial society. Do have any credibility they would need to scuttle off into the forest naked, never to be seen again, confident that nature would provide for them.

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  49. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Do I have to post my living arrangement again sigh.

    No we get it. Even I have said “good on ya”. I would do the same if I could.

    But are you seriously advancing this arrangement as a viable alternative for all the billions of people here on earth ? Just imagine if all the other 1.5 million Auckland folk all moving into the harbour with you. It would be an environmental disaster.

    You are living the dream, but don’t forget it is a dream !

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  50. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    The global temperature has risen by eight-tenths of a degree Celsius since 1880 fuck all, according to the new analysis.”

    It is always best to use fewer words to make your point Yoza.

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  51. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Kea I am not suggesting we all live in water world. I am pointing out that the technology to have no power bills is available .
    Why an environmental disaster?
    lectrosan 12 volt mobile pooh whacker and destruction of pathogens machine.
    Generates its own natural disinfectant from salt water.
    Treats each flush as waste is generated.
    Discharges with treatment levels that are safe for environmentally sensitive areas.

    Solar has come down in price and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Grid tie solar and a smarter electricity network are capable of complementing our hydro and geothermal resources We have enough renewable electrical supply for our present population.

    Transport is the big problem.
    That will be our major issue in the coming decades in particular for exporting goods offshore. .

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  52. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Griff, the problem is having lots of individual units is way less efficient than having a big central one. I see the value, in what your doing, as proof of concept and as a means to further develop the technology in practical situations. I am all for that.

    This is a common theme in developing technology. Once upon a time computers and cars were a tiny niche market. Now look at us !

    I am pretty sure we will come up with a viable alternative to oil, though it is not looking good right now. However, necessity is the mother of invention and we are probably not trying hard enough yet. But, do not be overly confident that alternative will be “green”. It may well bring other problems.

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  53. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Kea,

    the problem is having lots of individual units is way less efficient than having a big central one.

    IBM
    Mainframe computing
    They gave away the pc platform because there was no market for personal computers.The pc is going the same way fast.
    The net is lots of individual independent units and its killed the large machine concept of post .

    However, necessity is the mother of invention and we are probably not trying hard enough yet.

    Due mostly by idiots who will not admit reality into their tiny minds.
    Endless times the same pathetic nonsense is spouted by otherwise rational people let alone KB quota of wing nuts.

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  54. Bogusnews (425 comments) says:

    Yoza,

    what dataset are you using? If it is the American Gis set then I really wouldn’t know where to start, but maybe with this:

    There were 6502 temperature measuring stations being used about 30 years ago by this mob, it has now dropped down to just over 1500. Wonder why? The answer was found when they examined the results. 98% of the stations that recorded lowering temperatures were taken out.

    If you want I can also provide the links on an investigation on positioning of the stations which showed they were in the most absurd places.

    So what dataset are you using to show that 1998 was the warmest year on record. How long do the records go back (after all we haven’t had temperature measuring stations for long.)

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  55. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Bogus You are An idiot
    BEST study proved the robustness of the temperature record .
    A Watts proved that the urban heat island effect is a myth.
    You are in denial
    You are using wing nut blogs to fight against mainstream science
    That is the thinking of a fuckwit

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  56. All_on_Red (941 comments) says:

    “BEST study proved the robustness of the temperature record .
    A Watts proved that the urban heat island effect is a myth.”

    Stop telling lies Griff

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  57. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

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