The no bus lanes Mayor

October 8th, 2013 at 1:00 pm by David Farrar

Bernard Orsman reports at NZ Herald:

has not built a single metre of bus lane in his first term as mayor of the Super City.

Mr Brown, who says fixing , including better bus services, is his top priority, has splurged $770 million on and $1.2 billion on roads and footpaths in the past three years.

But not a cent has gone on new lanes to improve bus services, which have drawn criticism and seen a fall of 2.9 per cent in patronage over the past year, from 55.1 million bus trips to 53.5 million.

I use buses in Wellington several times a week. Measures like bus lanes can make a huge improvement to public transport. Buses are flexible – their routes can change, their stops can change, and they are far easier to utilize for changes in capacity.

Good public transport needs buses and trains. Those who prioritise trains over buses unfairly do public transport a dis-service.

The pro-public transport blog said it was not good enough that no bus lanes had been built when more were needed. It said bus lanes carried more people than general traffic lanes, made buses faster, more reliable, roads more efficient and reduced operating subsidies.

Mr Brown does not have a strong record of building bus lanes. Manukau City, where he was a councillor and mayor, has just 3km of them, compared with 31km in the Auckland City area. North Shore has 9km. Waitakere – the so-called Eco City – has no bus lanes, only short bus “advance” lanes at some big intersections.

Wellington has some bus lanes. They do make a difference.

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36 Responses to “The no bus lanes Mayor”

  1. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    The bus lanes that up to Karori (specifically the ones under the Kelburn Viaduct) are extremely efficient in rush-hour

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  2. swan (665 comments) says:

    Glad someone has picked up on this, if a little too late.

    Brown is charlatan. He wants big shiny projects – thats what the punters are after.

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  3. James Stephenson (2,180 comments) says:

    It’s not like we don’t have bus lanes up here, you’d probably struggle put one on any main arterial route that doesn’t already have them. I want Brown gone as much as anyone, but this is pretty silly.

    What I want to know is what Brown did, or didn’t do, to Orsman to turn him from his biggest groupie to this scrabbling-for-the-slightest-negative, attack poodle.

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  4. swan (665 comments) says:

    “It’s not like we don’t have bus lanes up here, you’d probably struggle put one on any main arterial route that doesn’t already have them. I want Brown gone as much as anyone, but this is pretty silly”

    Nah, there are plenty of opportunities for bus lanes. Customs St is one of the busiest bus routes in the city and it doesnt have good bus priority. Same goes for around khyber pass and in Newmarket. The bang for buck on bus improvements is orders of magnitude better than trains.

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  5. Nigel Kearney (1,013 comments) says:

    Good public transport needs buses.

    FYP.

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  6. decanker (184 comments) says:

    “Those who prioritise trains over buses unfairly do public transport a dis-service.”

    That is, unless buses/roads have already been prioritised over trains for a generation.

    When you lost all your weight, you did not just radically eat less for a year then do some push ups for a week.

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  7. Redbaiter (8,916 comments) says:

    Buses are for commies.

    I don’t use ‘em.

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  8. James Stephenson (2,180 comments) says:

    Newmarket has bus lanes all the way along Broadway. What else are you going to do, double bus lanes?

    The problem with buses is that they’re fucking great big vehicles that stop every 200m and get in their own and everyone else’s way.

    Loser cruisers.

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  9. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    Good on you Red.

    Just remember that those commies could be driving instead, or worse, cycling. The bitter irony for you is your life is made easier by having public transport.

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  10. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    Pretty sure there the northern bus way or whatever its called is being extended to silverdale. maybe that money was budgeted before len?

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  11. Redbaiter (8,916 comments) says:

    Traffic is not the problem.

    Centralization is the problem.

    Don’t worry, it will sort itself out.

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  12. emmess (1,428 comments) says:

    Pretty sure there the northern bus way or whatever its called is being extended to silverdale. maybe that money was budgeted before len?

    Also, there is AMETI busway from Panmure to Botany which beginning construction soon.

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  13. sweetd (125 comments) says:

    So why is all this coming out now, with only a few days voting left? Seriously, the right in auckland council need a good kick up the backside, this sort of thing should have been screamed from the sky tower in the months leading up to this election.

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  14. swan (665 comments) says:

    “Newmarket has bus lanes all the way along Broadway. What else are you going to do, double bus lanes?

    The problem with buses is that they’re fucking great big vehicles that stop every 200m and get in their own and everyone else’s way.

    Loser cruisers.”

    There are not continuous bus lanes up and down broadway. They are discontinuous.

    The problem is congestion. Congestion is a tragedy of the commons problem. The first best solution is road pricing that clears the market. Bus lanes are a good second best solution. In a road pricing world, buses would do very well indeed as they would have a lot of ability to buy road space.

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  15. seanmaitland (500 comments) says:

    This is a bit of a lame beat-up – if you had spent any amount of time in Auckland, you’d know there are bus lanes for Africa around the region – they even have them along parts of the motorways.

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  16. gump (1,649 comments) says:

    @Redbaiter

    “Buses are for commies.

    I don’t use ‘em.”

    ———————-

    Oh look – another contradiction.

    You frequently praise Singapore as a model for the modern state. Are you not aware that Singapore has a massive and internationally regarded Public Transport system, along with transport policies that explicitly discourage the ownership and use of private motor vehicles?

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  17. Julian (177 comments) says:

    I used the train in Auckland once – from Avondale to Grafton – and the cost was $9.00 return!

    When parking (in Newmarket) costs $6 – $8 / day why would I get on the train?

    This rail loop is going to be the biggest white elephant since Labour’s election campaign.

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  18. Redbaiter (8,916 comments) says:

    “You frequently praise Singapore as a model for the modern state.”

    That is a lie.

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  19. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    “I used the train in Auckland once – from Avondale to Grafton – and the cost was $9.00 return!

    When parking (in Newmarket) costs $6 – $8 / day why would I get on the train?”

    Sorry, is that supposed to be expensive?

    If getting the train costs a couple of dollars more than parking, and saves the cost of petrol and the hassles of traffic, and I can sit on the train and relax and read or catch up on TV on my tablet, why on earth would you drive ?

    On the occasions I need to work down town I take the half moon bay ferry into the city, costs about as much as parking, much more better experience

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  20. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    If buses are for ‘commies’, there must be a lot of commies in Singapore. Hang on though, is it even legal to be a communist in Singapore?

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  21. gump (1,649 comments) says:

    @Redbaiter

    “That is a lie.”

    —————————-

    You should be careful. Somebody else must be using your Kiwiblog account…

    Redbaiter @ 26 September, 2013

    “This simple difference sees Singapore far surpassing NZ in every economic and social indicator.”

    “While Singapore soars above us on almost every measurable standard that applies to living.”

    Redbaiter @ 8 January, 2013

    “Thereby making Singapore one of the globe’s most successful societies with one of the highest standards of living (and relatively crime free) for its citizens.”

    “Consequently Singapore is the greatest success story in Asia and has grown in stature while NZ has collapsed like a wet stinking decrepit and decaying socialist shit hole.”

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  22. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    ““You frequently praise Singapore as a model for the modern state.”

    Red: “That is a lie.”

    Are you fucking serious, dude? Not 3 days ago (by my recall) you were praising the economic prowess and standard of living in Singapore in comparison to NZ. In fact, barely a day goes by where you don’t hold up Singapore as an ideal.

    Jesus man, your cognitive dissonance is astounding. Like your whole “Ted Cruz for president despite the fact according to my own criteria he isn’t eligible” shtick.

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  23. Julian (177 comments) says:

    Alan – my point wasn’t that it was expensive – it was that there’s very little incentive for someone to use public transport over a car. Driving is obviously preferable, even including petrol and traffic, otherwise everyone would be on the train wouldn’t they!?

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  24. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    Julian, your point certainly appeared to be that it was that it was expensive, if it wasn’t I can’t grasp why you’d state the cost with an “!” afterwards. What other interpretation is there to what you wrote ?

    I don’t think that driving is “obviously preferable”, I think if there was trains (or other public transport) which wasn’t shit, reached where people lived, were fast and frequent and could be depended upon people would be on them.

    I drive from Howick because I have no viable option.

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  25. Julian (177 comments) says:

    I agree with you – I’m simply saying there should be more of a financial/regulatory/whatever pull to get people out of cars and onto public transport. When it’s more expensive, on balance I’m not going to use it. I may be an outlier – but I don’t think my case is atypical.

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  26. Redbaiter (8,916 comments) says:

    Why do I bother trying to have a conversation with half educated commies who have the comprehension skills of six day old road kill?

    Read carefully losers. Those are comparisons relating to the successful development of Singapore. Nowhere do I say Singapore is a “model society”.

    I must have made this point a dozen times.

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  27. eszett (2,408 comments) says:

    Nowhere do I say Singapore is a “model society”

    lol
    Reddy using the Clinton “I did not have sex with that woman” defence. Who would have thought?

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  28. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Singapore is a model for a society valuing economic freedom over personal liberty. Some other nations strike a more equitable balance. Singapore has a certain appeal to some fringe dwellers who would like to see a more authoritarian models imposed here.

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  29. gump (1,649 comments) says:

    @Redbaiter

    “Read carefully losers. Those are comparisons relating to the successful development of Singapore. Nowhere do I say Singapore is a “model society”.

    ———————-

    Are you not aware that the truth is only a google search away?

    Redbaiter @ 23 March 2013

    “Lee Kwan Yew had enough brains to keep people like you from destroying Singaporean society the way you have destroyed New Zealand.

    He kept Progressives out of Singapore and as a consequence of his foresight they have a high standard of living and low crime and a working successful model society that NZers could only today dream of.”

    Source – http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/03/why_we_need_education_reform_also.html

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  30. Redbaiter (8,916 comments) says:

    Loons, my argument remains the same. As those comments verify I merely use Singapore as an example of what can be acheived if the welfare mentality does not exist and left wingers are kept out of government.

    As for the rest, Singapore could be on the moon and populated by flying saucer people for all the difference it makes. I’ve made this point so many times and the same old knuckle dragging clod hopping half educated socialist mungbeans of which gump is such a prime example just never get it.

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  31. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Is it so important to keep left wingers out of government that a nation should restrict political freedom in order to do so?

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  32. Sam Buchanan (501 comments) says:

    “Buses are for commies.”

    Champion comment! First time I’ve ‘upticked’ a Redbaiter comment in ages. How does Red feel about centralised water reticulation systems? A commie plot surely?

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  33. KevinH (1,227 comments) says:

    Regardless of which batch of statistics you look at, Auckland is set to grow in the next 20 years which means more congestion on already crowded roads. Therefore it is prudent and wise to continue to develop and implement solutions now that will prevent Auckland from choking further. Getting cars off roads in the central city is one idea that could be realised by utilising buses and trains. The Mayor will have to take the plunge and push for dedicated bus lanes and to put people where the trains are and not vice versa.

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  34. Johnboy (16,583 comments) says:

    Buses are fine for the peasants but a fellow of refined tastes doesn’t want to share his commute with them.

    I’ll just keep gassing up the V8 and planting the right foot till I die and let all you tiresome fellows argue about bus lanes! :)

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  35. Russell Brown (405 comments) says:

    I merely use Singapore as an example of what can be acheived if the welfare mentality does not exist and left wingers are kept out of government.

    Unless you count 85% of Singaoreans living on estates built and operated by the government and being told where they may live based on their race. But do carry on.

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  36. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    :lol: LOL – Anonymous hero Wedbaiter caught lying and blustering again. Must be a day ending in y.

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