Greens trying their best to scaremonger and destroy the dairy industry

December 20th, 2013 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Milk from farms used as dumps for drilling waste will be tested for toxins, but the Green Party is calling for more widespread testing of Taranaki animal products.

The Green Party has previously called on Fonterra to stop taking milk from cows grazing on the farms in Taranaki where oil and fracking waste had been spread.

The party said the milk was unsafe and could threaten the reputation of New Zealand’s industry.

The Taranaki Regional Council has previously dismissed the claims as scaremongering. The farms where the waste was spread were quarantined then underwent extensive testing before cattle were put back on them, it said.

One just has to hope that people overseas don’t take the any more seriously than most people in NZ do.

I’m all for testing, but when a party claims that milk must be stopped even after testing has been done, they are just scaremongering.

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45 Responses to “Greens trying their best to scaremonger and destroy the dairy industry”

  1. OneTrack (1,957 comments) says:

    So condition normal then.

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  2. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    The watermelons are negative, generally farming is environmentally responsible. If the watermelons were dictating agricultural policy a lot of people would face starvation.

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  3. oob (194 comments) says:

    The nearest equivalent political Party to the New Zealand Greens is Cambodia’s Khmer Rouge.

    Both aim to impose a pre-industrial, agrarian collectivism upon their societies.

    The internal turmoil of the Greens is the factional conflict between the Maoists and the Trotskyites. With the fall of Sue Bradford and Keith Locke, and the concomitant rise of Russel Norman and Metiria Turei, the Trotskyites hold the ascendency.

    But this will not dissuade them from imposing a Mao-style Cultural Revolution in New Zealand should the Greens ever achieve a government majority, with similar results to those the Khmer Rouge achieved when they did the same in Cambodia.

    The cities will be de-populated and only Caucasians who wear eye-glasses will be required to work in the fields. Anyone with an education will be declared an enemy of the People. Political Indoctrination will be mandatory. Children will be removed from their families as families are intrinsically counter-revolutionary, and the children must be brought up pure, in the ideology of the Green Party.

    Sound far fetched? That is an accurate description of the Green Party’s intentions for a Kiwi “Year Zero.”

    It is an affront to our democracy that the Greens enjoy 10% popularity amongst the Kiwi populace. The Greens represent an existential threat to liberty, democracy and the Kiwi way of life.

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  4. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    Lot of romantics in NZ hence the 10% popularity, emotional rather than logical.

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  5. queenstfarmer (696 comments) says:

    Scientific testing has shown that it is safe. But the Greens are anti-science, except where they think it might benefit them politically.

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  6. ross69 (3,637 comments) says:

    Why on earth would you dump industrial waste on farmland? Now that’s batshit crazy.

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  7. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    Watermelons are really consistent and fair they can find an isolated case and then try and shut down a multi billion dollar industry. Glad not to many of them are referees and umpires in sport. Preferential treatment would be given if one is coloured, female, poor and criminal.

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  8. backster (2,000 comments) says:

    ROSS….I understand it was initially dumped on waste ground but it promoted outstanding pasture growth, hence it is now used on farmland.

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  9. nasska (9,479 comments) says:

    As usual the dishonest Greens try to create alarm knowing that most people will swallow the misinformation in their press releases without further investigation.

    They are not privy to secret truths……the research has been done & it’s available for anyone who wants to read it.

    Ref: http://www.trc.govt.nz/assets/Publications/technical-reports/oil-and-gas-compliance-monitoring-reports/756859.pdf

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  10. queenstfarmer (696 comments) says:

    @ross69, like many things, you obviously miss the irony in your comment “Why on earth would you dump industrial waste on farmland? Now that’s batshit crazy.”

    Modern fertilisers were basically industrial waste. Turns out, they were ideal for providing nitrogen, phosphate and other nutrients for plants. Yeah, real crazy, eh Ross!

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  11. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    Agriculture does evolve to conserve the soil e.g. direct drilling
    http://www.fwi.co.uk/articles/16/08/2012/134577/change-your-mindset-to-embrace-direct-drilling.htm

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  12. cha (3,527 comments) says:

    19 June 2013:

    Fonterra has vowed to no longer accept milk from any new dairy suppliers based in areas of New Zealand where oil industry and fracking waste has been spread and covered, but has denied that pressure from the country’s Green Party played any part in its decision.

    http://www.dairyreporter.com/Manufacturers/Fonterra-vows-to-stop-sourcing-milk-from-land-affected-by-oil-and-fracking-waste

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  13. Ross12 (927 comments) says:

    gulag 1917 –you are right and I think you’ll find that was developed in NZ. ( I think it was a Massey researcher who now set up company in Feilding to commercialise it)

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  14. Carlos (684 comments) says:

    The Chinese Communist Party must be very pleased with the efforts of the NZ Green Party to sabotage the NZ dairy industry. No doubt the CCP will be ordering their state media to report on the Green Party’s musings.

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  15. queenstfarmer (696 comments) says:

    @Cha, you conveniently omitted the following sentence:

    It will, however, continue to source milk from existing suppliers based on land where waste from oil drilling and fracking – the process of drilling and injecting a combination of water, sand and chemicals into the ground at high pressure to fracture shale rocks to release trapped natural gas – has been buried.

    The reason?

    the high costs of testing (around NZ$80k per annum)

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  16. cha (3,527 comments) says:

    So?.

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  17. nasska (9,479 comments) says:

    Ross12

    Direct drilling has saved incredible amounts of valuable top soil from being eroded & washed out to sea. The breakthough which allowed the machinery & processes to be developed was the weedkiller glyphosphate commonly known as ‘Roundup’ made by the company the Greens love to hate, Monsanto.

    Most pasture is fairly knackered after about seven years. The traditional ploughing & working up of the soil left it bare & exposed to dry winds or heavy rains stripping the topsoil before cover was re established.

    Glyphosphate works & it improves production…..to the luddite Greens it must be bad & banned forthwith.

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  18. nasska (9,479 comments) says:

    cha

    ….”So?.”….

    How can Fonterra, or anyone else, justify spending $80K/year at each site to find that there’s nothing amiss?

    The cost of testing has made the use of the land for dairying impossible….not the non existent contamination.

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  19. ChrisM (91 comments) says:

    Most of the drilling “waste” are rock cuttings that are mainly shales, sandstones and mudstones – you know the same materials that make up the surface feature in NZ. To this is added materials like barium sulphate, which is effectively an inert substance. There may also be traces of oil, just like the natural oil weeps throughout NZ.
    The Greens have no science to back them up, nor can they name specific chemicals that should be tested for. As other commenters have pointed out, it is yet again another anti-science scare tactic, which seems to be the Greens specialty. Can they do anything else?

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  20. queenstfarmer (696 comments) says:

    @cha: so, Fonterra is very happy to continue using milk from land fertilised with fracking ore. And it has been for some time. And its global customers have no concerns. And all the testing that goes on (which errs on the side of being oversensitive, recent history suggests) shows it is fine.

    So, the Greens are engaging in blatantly dishonest scaremongering (surprised?) and attempting to throw NZ’s economy under the bus in the process.

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  21. cha (3,527 comments) says:

    The Greens have no science to back them up, nor can they name specific chemicals that should be tested for

    Testing for amphiboles and pyroxenes would be good.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphibole#Mineral_species

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroxene#Pyroxene_minerals

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  22. nasska (9,479 comments) says:

    cha

    From a quick Google search on health effects:

    1) Amphiboles are on a par with asbestos but milk isn’t inhaled.

    2) Pyroxenes….no known health risks.

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  23. Fisiani (851 comments) says:

    The Greens have NEVER been in Government. No major party has EVER had any confidence that they would be rational. Labour is polling so badly that they are prepared to swear allegiance to the Greens as Labour are desperate and willing to sacrifice NZ for a chance of power.

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  24. Manolo (12,617 comments) says:

    Communist fifth-columnists and enemies of New Zealand: the perfect description of the Green Party and Luddite cohorts.

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  25. ChrisM (91 comments) says:

    cha
    Have you ever walked up a volcano like Egmont and looked at the rocks? Guess what, amphiboles are present. I certain you can find nice phenocrysts on some of the lava flows. So what. Doing google searches and quoting wikipedia just shows your lack of knowledge.
    My understanding is the land was originally sand dunes. To this was added all the material pumped out of the lined drilling ponds as part of site restoration. They mixed the cuttings up with the sand added fertiliser and seed and you had high quality pasture. TRC also got extensive testing done on the soils for heavy metals and leachates. Now you suggest looking for lava constituents. What is the reason for testing for materials that could well be present in the river gravels and sand that the original land was made of?

    If you want to get all high horsey, what about all the asbestos present in surface outcrops in the Red Hills.

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  26. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Ship that squeaky little scrawny, ginga, prick back to OZ and send that bunch of strange looking, dysfunctional weirdies that sit around him back as well! :)

    ps: Take toad as well!!!! :)

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  27. cha (3,527 comments) says:

    Chris

    I’ve walked/gasped my way up to summit Ruapehu and no, I wasn’t able to look at the rocks and the only thing I know about dirt doctoring is how to panic when penetration test aren’t up to snuff but I do have a genuine concern about the future of dairying. I want to know that the oil industry isn’t going to cause a re-run of the recent Fontera contamination scare that wasn’t and the offhand way the TDC dismissed claims by referring to a non existent practice in Alberta did little to reassure me.
    Convince me that the dumping of spoil isn’t going to have customers in Asia boycotting product because some of the materials dumped are related to asbestos.

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  28. greenjacket (346 comments) says:

    In one thread Cha is caught out putting in an incomplete quote that actually made a mockery of his point, and then gets caught out citing Wikipedia when it turns out he doesn’t have a clue!

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  29. cha (3,527 comments) says:

    Hi blazer boy.

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  30. thedavincimode (6,102 comments) says:

    Convince me that the dumping of spoil isn’t going to have customers in Asia boycotting product because some of the materials dumped are related to asbestos.

    Because a scientist said so. All scientists are completely independent and trustworthy.

    Have you not noticed this cha?

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  31. thedavincimode (6,102 comments) says:

    JB

    Behave yourself. It’s Xmas.

    Spread the love and vitriol in equal proportions.

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  32. cha (3,527 comments) says:

    Independently trustworthy Taranaki bureaucrats TDVM, should I be concerned?.

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  33. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    I do think Mojo makes a huge contribution Leonardo! :)

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  34. lilman (658 comments) says:

    I carted many loads of this mud as we called it onto the farms in question,
    It is basically potash,in USA it is sold to farmers for fertiliser.
    Its no different to putting on fert.

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  35. ChrisM (91 comments) says:

    Cha
    Stop making a complete Richard of yourself. Greenstone is also amphibole and similar composition to asbestos, if not more so, as it’s fibrous. Tell your local tw that they are risking contaminating milk with their taonga and see where that gets you.

    As I expected, you have no actual scientific knowledge or information to back up your scare tactics. You don’t even get basic facts right. Most of the drilling waste came from wells that weren’t fracced. The compounds you have listed are only there if the well goes though lava flows or river gravels. They are no different in either form, sizing or concentration to what is already on the surface. Your only concern about dairying is you don’t want it to occur, because it doesn’t fit in with the luddite Nirvana.

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  36. ChrisM (91 comments) says:

    Cha

    By the way, guess what. Despite your claims to the contrary, here is the Alberta best practice document about using drilling waste to improve farmland:
    http://www.aer.ca/documents/directives/Directive050.pdf

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  37. cha (3,527 comments) says:

    So the existing farms are using waste that came from wells that weren’t fracked yet the guidelines that you so kindly provided a link to contain no references to fracking waste but they were used in consenting the disposal of fracking waste.

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  38. ChrisM (91 comments) says:

    Cha

    You are grasping at straws now, with your credibility non-existent and dropping. The grazed farms were never used to dispose fraccing waste
    http://www.trc.govt.nz/disposal-of-drilling-wastes-and-hydraulic-fracturing-fluids/

    I think your strike rate is still running at zero. 3102 comments to your name, how many others were as rubbishy as those on this thread? You could be the new Gareth with a track record like yours, though you’d still need to be coached by Clint.

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  39. cha (3,527 comments) says:

    The article that DF cites notes that one farm had been consented for the disposal of fracking waste.

    Credibility, nah – it couldn’t be that some one using KB would ever do so in good faith.

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  40. Maggy Wassilieff (180 comments) says:

    Surely someone in the Greens has done Geology 101???? If we’re to be worrying about amphiboles and pyroxenes in the soil, then Taranaki is doomed…….. for goodness sake, the whole place is dominated by an andesitic volcano with lava flows and tephra falls chock-full of minerals such as amphibole, pyroxene, and titanomagnetite.

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  41. Spam (586 comments) says:

    Fonterra used cost as an excuse. The oil industry offered to pay for compliance testing, and fonterra refused.

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  42. ChrisM (91 comments) says:

    I can see cha that you cannot even comprehend English. All you have got to support your case is your interpretation of a newspaper article. You don’t even know how to do primary references of which Wikipedia isn’t. No wonder why you are a Green – it is all that is left since they closed the sheltered workshops I suppose.
    Read the TRC article again. There was one site used to dispose of fraccing waste. They no longer do it. The site is closed and they are monitoring it, like they do most closed dumps. Nothing about grazing dairy cows on it at all. In fact, they actually say they can’t use it for grazing until it passes all the tests. Further, TRC wants the water and chemicals from fraccing disposed of by deep well injection, just like they do in Alberta
    Still zero

    And Maggie – why are you so surprised? Everyone knows the Greens are anti-science, unless it can be used to bolster their cause.

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  43. hj (5,674 comments) says:

    “Fracking waste-water discharged at treatment plants can cause a different problem for drinking water: when bromide in the wastewater mixes with chlorine (often used at drinking water treatment plants), it produces trihalomethanes, chemicals that cause cancer and increase the risk of reproductive or developmental health problems,” the report said.

    From the Guardian

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  44. Maggy Wassilieff (180 comments) says:

    Oh God….!!! I forgot the trihalomethanes. I’ll stop watering the garden at this very minute. I can see bromodichloromethane and dibromochloromethane forming under my mulch………. (chlorinated water & organic matter will lead to formation of trihalomethanes).

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  45. ChrisM (91 comments) says:

    Jesus, hj, you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel with your scare tactics factoids aren’t you. And the Guardian is the font of all scientific knowledge, as we all know.
    At what concentrations do the constituents need to be for the reaction to occur? At what level do the trihalomethanes (of which chloroform is one) need to be before they are regarded as a risk to health? How does the fraccing water get in the drinking water treatment plant as TRC has a policy of fraccing water disposal in deep wells?
    Without plausible answers to the above, you are just an ill-educated repeater.

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