General Debate 7 May 2014

May 7th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    1.Should Residents get the Vote. They don’t in other countries?
    National reaffirms pro-immigration stance
    More than 94 per cent of Chinese permanent residents and more than half of those with NZ citizenship told University of Auckland researchers that they felt a greater sense of belonging and identified more with their country of origin than New Zealand.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/multiculturalism/news/article.cfm?c_id=58&objectid=10783815

    2. Are migrants who cry racist, at suggestions of limits to migration (Kea) being racist? Do they feel uncomfortable amongst (so many of) the other (whites)?

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  2. lilman (959 comments) says:

    Why is David Cunliffe so scared of telling the truth?

    Who were the secret donors who bought influence until it was exposed?

    Why is David Cunliffe being dishonest?

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  3. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    I find it ironic that all media attention is aimed at Collins and Williamson, when we are still awaiting why Cunliffe lied about relatives’ war services, the source of monetary donations, his false CV claims, etc., etc. Now we have allegations of serious sexual misconduct against a young boy in a Parliamentary office during a Labour Party social event, this being witnessed by three who are now in the employ of UN, one who did a runner to Britain after resigning for similar behaviour as that being alleged, three current MPs, one high ranking Labour MP, now retired, but in charge of a large SOE. On top of this the young boy was plied with alcohol whilst alleged offenders were indulging in marijuana! Come on media let’s see some of this “transparency” you lefties are always harp on about!

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  4. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    @ hj – Winston must be awfully proud of you. Keep up the good work, and you might get Denis O’Rourke’s list place when Peters drops him like a hot potato :D

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  5. minus (197 comments) says:

    Sadly Cunliffe seems to be getting away with accepting donations through a trust to avoid revealing their source, but when found out after six months, has been able to return a like amount rather than identify and for some reason “embarrass” the donors, without a single hint of the “transaction” in official records published yesterday afternoon.

    So a $20,000 six month secret loan to influence a particular Member’s position is apparently acceptable under New Zealand Parliament’s Standing Orders.

    Please feel free to down thumb the krap out of this :-)

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  6. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    Mallard acted like a recalcitrant schoolboy when ordered from the Chamber yesterday. If his lip had been any lower, he would have tripped and fallen over.

    Mallard reminds me of the perennial motor racing competitor who has been turning up for meetings for as long as people can remember, scrapes through scrutineering, circulates at the back of the field during the races but, in order to be seen, he spins his car just as he’s being lapped – so for a few seconds, the focus is on him instead of the cars that are leading the race. Sad, really.

    Someone within Labour needs to quietly take Trevor aside and suggest in the nicest way possible, he needs to exit via the ‘NOES’ door for the last time. Surely they have someone better…. Surely!

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  7. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    Since Parliaments is session I thought I would have my own Question Time.

    1. Who are David Cunliffes secret donors?
    2. What did they expect in return for supporting the (supposed) future Prime Minister of NZ?
    3. How do we know Cunliffe has actually paid the money back?
    4. Is Paddy Gower a bully and misogynist?
    5. Does Trevor Mallard need to go to Anger Management Counselling, or does he just need a hug?
    6. Has Penny Bright paid her Rates yet?
    7. If not, will her house be bargain of the week in Grey Lynn?
    8. How long can Len Brown stand being heckled in public? ( being asked if he still wanked in his office during the V8 super cars launch was classic)
    9. Did Russell Norman attend the Lenin School in Moscow?
    10. How many meetings does the Green Party have with Greenpeace every month?
    11. What have the Greens promised Greenpeace , a huge multi national corporate?
    12. Why does NIWA keep lowering the old temp figures to make an upward slope on a graph?
    13. Where’s my breakfast?

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  8. lilman (959 comments) says:

    igm-need more info on the serious sexusl misconduct?

    Or is a Mallard style attack?

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  9. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Re: Nigeria. Amazing yet another oil-rich country has a human rights problem. I wonder what the black warmonger Obama will do ?

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  10. Pete George (23,567 comments) says:

    Grant Robertson’s ‘same milk’ accusation refuted: http://yournz.org/2014/05/07/grant-robertsons-same-milk-accusation-refuted/

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  11. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    Interesting book by Amy Chua on how market minorities come to dominate when markets are introduced to the thirdworld:

    “World On Fire” is about a phenomenon Chua calls “market-dominant minorities,” groups like the Chinese in Southeast Asia, Jews in Russia, whites in Zimbabwe and Indians in East Africa and Fiji. Market-dominant minorities control hugely disproportionate percentages of their countries’ resources. Filipino Chinese comprise just 1 to 2 percent of the Philippines’ population, but control all of the country’s major supermarkets, fast-food restaurants and large department stores, and all but one of the nation’s banks. A similar situation obtains in Indonesia. Jews make up a similarly tiny proportion of Russia’s population, but of the seven “oligarchs” who control virtually all of the country’s business, six are Jewish. Lebanese dominate the economies in Sierra Leone and Gambia, while Indians dominate the economy in Kenya, along with a smaller, indigenous minority tribe called the Kikuyu. Similar examples abound worldwide.

    She argues that when economic liberalization and democracy are rapidly introduced to countries with market-dominant minorities, the two forces necessarily come into conflict. “Markets concentrate enormous wealth in the hands of an ‘outsider’ minority, fomenting ethnic envy and hatred among often chronically poor majorities,” she writes. “Introducing democracy in these circumstances does not transform voters into open-minded cocitizens in a national community. Rather, the competition for votes fosters the emergence of demagogues who scapegoat the resented minority and foment active ethnonationalist movements demanding that the country’s wealth and identity be reclaimed by the ‘true owners of the nation.’”

    In Indonesia, for example, free-market policies undertaken under Gen. Suharto, the U.S.-backed dictator, vastly enriched the country’s tiny Chinese minority, who in turn supported the strongman. By 1998, Chua writes, Chinese made up 3 percent of the population but controlled 70 percent of the private economy. That was the year democracy protests and riots forced Suharto to resign. His fall was accompanied by orgies of anti-Chinese violence — Chinese women began wearing “anti-rape corsets,” locked steel chastity belts. “[T]he prevailing view among the pribumi majority was that it was ‘worthwhile to lose 10 years of growth to get rid of the Chinese problem once and for all,’” she writes. “Meanwhile, the U.S. State Department called resoundingly for free markets and democratic elections.”

    http://www.salon.com/2003/01/13/democracy_6/

    Land tax would solve a lot of our problems.

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  12. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    Parliament was denied a chance to register a rare display of unanimity by the Greens’ non-decision on the Psychoactive Substances Amendment Bill. We elect our leaders to lead, and to make decisions, not to simply take the cop-out position of abstaining. Even Hone Harawira voted with the Government, and emerges from this with more mana than the Green Party.

    This does not bode well for Green participation in any future government. Sometimes politicians actually have to make unpopular decisions because that is the right thing to do. Are the Greens capable of doing that? Yesterday’s events would suggest they are not.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/a-green-disappointment.html

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  13. Ross12 (1,428 comments) says:

    Well all the Labour supporters will have to pull their heads in now with their call for Collins to be sacked for supposedly lying to Parliament. Mallard has acknowledged he made up the figures for the money he accused Oravida of giving the Collins family. We know Cunliffe will not sack Mallard, so that stops them in their tracks.

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  14. flipper (4,067 comments) says:

    Talk about an over-blown event. The Cun*liffe/Peters/Robertson/Norman attempt to knockout out J Collins was a non event. There were four or five other participants who went away from the bout withy long faces. But being good MSM jerks they put on a brave face…. albeit it preparing for a back down today.

    The fact is that NOT A SINGLE bit of new information emerged, though Roberston (the over ripe rainbow fruit) and TV3 did their level best to turn a draft itinerary into a direction by Collins. Mallard needs to bed careful in his comments on family benefits which may or may not arise from directors fees. Every single labour flunky appointed to State agency under Clark/Simpson gobbled their fees. People like M Williams took hundreds of thousands from sinecure appointments.

    Glasshouses can be dangerous if they are inside throwing rocks. :-)

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  15. ShawnLH (5,124 comments) says:

    “.Should Residents get the Vote.”

    We already have it, in case your confused. Iv’e been voting since 84, and I have no intentions of becoming a NZ citizen.

    “Do they feel uncomfortable amongst (so many of) the other (whites)?”

    You do realise that a large proportion of immigrants to New Zealand are in fact white, right? Many are from Britain.

    You have a bit of an issue with Chinese folks. Sounds kinda racist to me.

    Have you ever made a post on any other subject? Your like a stuck record.

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  16. EAD (1,087 comments) says:

    Interesting to compare and contrast the way 2 articles are reported in the Herald.

    Item 1) We are informed there COULD be a chance sometime THIS CENTURY that ice sheets in East Antarctica MAY melt and cause sea levels to rise by 3 metres. Despite no evidence of such sea level rises occurring so far, nor evidence of “global warming” since 1997, nor displacement theory meaning that there is less mass in a melted icesheet compared to a frozen one, I’m sure our Politicians will reliably inform us that the end is nigh and we MUST DO SOMETHING now. This something is likely to mean more taxes, more poverty for the elderly and poor and lower levels of living standards for all of us (except for the climate-change peddlers). Despite all lack of evidence and reputable science, they inform us that this is to be the most pressing issue of our time.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/environment/news/article.cfm?c_id=39&objectid=11250652

    Item 2) The Herald also informs about schoolgirls in Nigeria who have been kidnapped and sold into sex slavery by the Islamist group Boko Haram. Now despite all evidence so that such events are an everyday occurrence across Africa, the Middle East, parts of Asia and increasingly Europe, the Herald informs us that this group is EXTREMIST which must mean that is a rare and isolated event – one which you don’t ever have to worry about that happening over here because multi-cultural societies are always the most cohesive and never have to be ruled with an ironfist to prevent such ISOLATED violence occurring. Why, I’m sure the Herald will at sometime remind us that despite what we see with our own eyes, Islam is actually the religion of peace.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11250916

    Is it me or the Politicians living in a parallel universe when I wonder what the greatest threat to the Western way of life is (economics and debt aside)?

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  17. ShawnLH (5,124 comments) says:

    Mallards promotion to the front bench shows how bereft of new faces Labour is. Wasn’t he in Parliament in the 80’s? Talk about recycling!

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  18. flipper (4,067 comments) says:

    It would be a service in the interests of sensible debate of the fool who spends all their time posting on immigration and land use/development were to take their idiotic views and fuck off to the stranded where labours new immigration policy might appeal.

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  19. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    @ Elaycee – but Trevor is Labour’s Great New Hope! Cunliffe has promoted him from Labour’s netherworld (28 to 34; not ranked individually) to #15 in the Labour caucus. He is a man whose time has finally come, 30 years after he first entered Parliament at the 1984 General Election.

    If Labour is depending on Trevor Mallard for getting into power, the once-proud party’s malaise goes even deeper than we have been led to believe.

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  20. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    “You do realise that a large proportion of immigrants to New Zealand are in fact white, right? Many are from Britain.”
    Sadly yes. I’d rather have Chinese than the British. What a success the UK is / sarc.
    We want winners not whiners.

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  21. Paulus (2,627 comments) says:

    Does anybody take ant notice of Mallard any more – doubt it.
    Why does he not say what he said yesterday outside Parliamentary Privilege about Collin’s receiving $500,000 – because a lawsuit, of which he is familiar, would hit him like a brick so fast ?
    Lying Coward.

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  22. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock (9,817 comments) says:
    NZ First is so backward compared to (say) the Greens.

    My argument is that debate about immigration/population has been stifled. For example when the NZIER calls fro a larger population it makes all the news outlets yet when the Reserve bank, Treasury or Savings Working Group have negative things to say it doesn’t make the news.

    Katherine Ryan ( Mathew Hooten, Mike Williams) thought Labours policy on immigration (“in the fine print”) was “(possibly) a gentle dog-whistle to NZ First” yet it is an idea that comes from Treasury.

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  23. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    I wonder why the US did nothing when the Catholic backed Rwanda genocide was occuring, yet seem keen to “help” with a couple of hundred women being kidnapped in Nigeria ?

    -The Catholic church must apologise for its role in Rwanda’s genocide-

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/08/catholic-church-apologise-failure-rwanda-genocide-vatican

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  24. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    EAD
    Looks like Arctic summer ice extent is on target to be back to normal.
    “There is a huge event being forecasted this year by the CFSV2, and I don’t know if anyone else is mentioning this. For the first time in over a decade, the Arctic sea ice anomaly in the summer is forecast to be near or above normal for a time! While it has approached the normals at the end of the winter season a couple of times because of new ice growth, this signals something completely different – that multiyear growth means business – and it shows the theory on the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO) is likely to be on target. Once it flips, this red herring of climate panic will be gone. Global and Southern Hemisphere anomalies are already unmentionable since the former is well above normal and the latter is routinely busting daily records.”
    Joe Bastardi
    http://patriotpost.us/opinion/25340

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  25. ShawnLH (5,124 comments) says:

    “Sadly yes. I’d rather have Chinese than the British.”

    So would I.

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  26. lilman (959 comments) says:

    Really?
    The Church should say sorry because a arsehole in New Zealand demands it?

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  27. cas (39 comments) says:

    Got sick of Moring Report this morning ( though Guyon Espiner was a bit tougher on Opposition politicians), so I switched to the lcoal radio station. What a difference – no politics at all in either the national or regional news. There are two worlds out there and the bang up against Judith Collins etc doesn’t rate in the provinces. I think I will be changing stations a bit more often.

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  28. EAD (1,087 comments) says:

    @ All on Red

    Don’t want to turn this thread into a global warming thread as it is one of several topics (Religion, Zionism, Conspiracy Theories, 9/11) that bores me to tears watching 2 entrenched teams arguing amongst themselves turning approximately zero people to their thinking and drowning out every other interesting discussion.

    FWIW, did you ever note that the rise of Environmentalism occurred just at the time the Berlin Wall was collapsing. Once one big boogie man (Communism) was defeated, then along came another one which governments could use as justification for all sorts of actions in the name of “the greater good”. Sometimes (except for the people of Eastern Europe) I wish the Berlin Wall never fell.

    “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary” – H.L. Mencken

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  29. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Really?
    The Church should say sorry because a arsehole in New Zealand demands it?

    lilman, where did I demand that ? or did you simply lie ?

    Any comment on the genocide ? The Catholics have form for this, as per Croatia. They outraged Holocaust groups in 2013 by holding masses around Croatia honouring the person responsible for the holocaust against Jews and Serbs. No amount of impotent down ticking is going to hide it either. Sorry about that !

    Here are some articles supporting my words. Source, The Jerusalem Post.

    Nazi memorial in Croatia a disgrace to Europe
    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Nazi-memorial-in-Croatia-a-disgrace-to-Europe

    Time to confront Croatia’s hidden Holocaust
    Ultimately, the Ustashe murdered more than 30,000 Jews, or 75 percent of the country’s prewar Jewish community.

    http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Opinion/Time-to-confront-Croatias-hidden-Holocaust-314896

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  30. Duxton (651 comments) says:

    igm at 8.08am

    I’m currently living overseas, so have to rely on ‘news’ from online media to keep up with events in NZ.

    Can I ask when those allegations came out (ie, how new are they)? This is the sort of thing that needs to be plastered over the media. I’d love to know the name of the senior MP who now runs an SOE: I would write to him to ask about it, with info copies to his board, the Minister, and the Select Committee responsive for overseeing SOEs

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  31. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    All_on_Red (1,029 comments) says:
    May 7th, 2014 at 8:30 am

    “You do realise that a large proportion of immigrants to New Zealand are in fact white, right? Many are from Britain.”
    Sadly yes. I’d rather have Chinese than the British. What a success the UK is / sarc.
    ………….
    I think the British came here to escape Britains overcrowding. Anyway what makes you think NZ needs more people (other than to provide income for a people servicing sector)? Are you a disciple of Julian Simonds (the human mind is the ultimate resource)?

    Factor price differentials, migration and trade existed before large scale migration began
    in the 19th century. Industrialisation supported migration by improving transport and
    settlement technology and raising incomes. These factors in turn supported larger
    populations which demanded more food and clothing, which created demands that could
    be met by primary exports (cotton, wool, grain, timber, and after the development of
    refrigeration, meat and dairy) from settlement countries. Rising incomes and falling costs
    also made migration more affordable. Over time as destination and source country wages
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    eventually converged, incentives to migrate were reduced.

    Successful economies can absorb large numbers of immigrants while sustaining high per
    capita incomes, as demonstrated by the experience of New Zealand in the 19th century.
    However, strong economies also perform well without immigrants: the US economy
    performed well around 1900 with strong immigration, and also performed well in the 1920s
    with more restricted immigration.

    Factor price equalisation is still relevant as economies and markets evolve. However,
    today skilled labour is not scarce relative to other factors in New Zealand, or relative to
    other developed countries. By OECD standards New Zealand is a strong performer on
    hours and participation, and weak on total factor productivity (TFP) growth; for developed
    countries there is a negative relationship between TFP growth and growth in total hours
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    worked. New Zealand also has relatively low wages, and high emigration of skilled
    labour. These circumstances do not suggest a shortage of labour relative to other
    resources, so there are unlikely to be large positive benefits to New Zealand from factor
    equalisation from increasing labour supply.

    11.

    Only a small proportion of existing migrants address specific skill needs. While it is
    difficult to be certain about counterfactuals, key skills shortages could still be addressed
    with substantially lower immigration. With lower immigration, labour market flexibility and
    possible offsets from reduced emigration would likely play a greater role in addressing
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    skills pressures.

    http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/research-policy/wp/2014/14-10
    Migration and Macroeconomic
    Performance in New Zealand:
    Theory and Evidence
    Julie Fry
    New Zealand Treasury Working Paper 14/10

    ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS This paper has benefited greatly from discussions and comments,
    many of which have been substantive. My thanks to Rienk Asscher,
    Anne-Marie Brook, David Brown, Nick Carroll, Enzo Cassino,
    Linda Cameron, Andrew Coleman, Paul Dalziel, Graeme Davis,
    Shamubeel Eaqub, Matthew Gilbert, Michael Hampl, Christine
    Hyndman, Natalie Jackson, Tracey Lee, Geoff Lewis, Geoff Mason,
    Mario di Maio, Dave Maré, Vinayak Nagaraj, Ganesh Nana,
    Jacques Poot, Roger Procter, Michael Reddell, Paul Rodway,
    Mark Smith, Steven Stillman and Phil Veal for helpful suggestions. I am
    also grateful to Hannah Benbow, Rietta Barnard and Bradley Rose for
    assistance with accessing documents, Frédérique Bertrand for help
    with data queries, and Kelly Shen for formatting the paper. All
    remaining errors are my own.

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  32. Scott Chris (6,139 comments) says:

    Saw this a while back, then saw it again and had to wipe away a tear or two – from America’s Got Talent:

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  33. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    EAD
    Yes, , despite calls of mad conspiracy theories, Agenda 21 in the UN does exist. The EU is another example where power has been passed to an unelected elite group. The MEPs don’t run the EU, the. Commissioners do and they often use concerns about CAGW to create coercive legislation . The EPA in the US is another example and we are seeing a build up from Obama to give the EPA more power.

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  34. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Well all the Labour supporters will have to pull their heads in now with their call for Collins to be sacked for supposedly lying to Parliament.

    Not really, and it’s not just about Labour supporters.

    First, far from being a “pop in” “20-minute stop” for a “cup of tea” or “glass of milk” “on the way to the airport,” as Collins has claimed in Parliament, this was an almost two hour excursion, with four officials in tow, going away from the airport, complete with a full hour-long official Ministerial programme at Oravida.
    http://polity.co.nz/content/even-more-new-damning-evidence-collins

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  35. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    hj said

    Keeping Stock (9,817 comments) says:
    NZ First is so backward compared to (say) the Greens.

    Did I say that? Or have you mistaken me for someone else hj?

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  36. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    If you ever harboured doubts about how thieving a supposedly western,democratic govt could be………

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/expat-money/10810941/British-expats-in-Portugal-face-losing-their-homes.html

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  37. EAD (1,087 comments) says:

    @ All on Red

    I agree with you on all of those points, but how often do we get a back and forth argument on Agenda 21, the nature of the EU and how is now become the EUSSR, the EPA (although there is the odd debate on the rotten RMA which is cut from the same cloth). A lot of wasted vitriol is spilled over stupid “birther” arguments or 9/11 “truth”. Like Toto the dog from the Wizard of Oz…look BEHIND the curtain.

    The latest post I saw from DPF about the RMA was under the headline “National cut RMA processing time to record low time”……….talk about missing the elephant in the room.

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  38. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    hj
    No, I actually think we don’t need anymore immigration and do agree with many of the things you raise. Some of the reasons promulgated in support of immigration, on analysis are just urban myth.
    I would rather we had our “own” people come home. I do believe that immigrants are imbued with their own cultural influences when they come here. Both good and unfortunately bad. I’m not sure that makes for a better NZ.I don’t think that really anybody can say they are a “true” NZer until they are third generation here. The angle I am coming from is I don’t think they can or could have the connection with the land until that time. And to me being an NZer is about having that connection. It’s a special place.
    One of my closest friends is ethnically Chinese but he is a 4th generation NZer and is a real kiwi.

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  39. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Land tax would solve a lot of our problems.

    In the same way that mugging people on the street to raise money for political projects would.

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  40. Manolo (13,780 comments) says:

    They are having a ball. You and I are paying, so why not? http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/10016123/More-Te-Papa-staff-enjoying-Koru-Club

    The number of Te Papa staff with Koru Club membership increased five-fold in a single year.

    Over the same period, spending on workplace counselling rose by more than $40,000, amid a restructure in which 31 jobs were lost.

    Te Papa came under scrutiny after it was announced last week that chief executive Michael Houlihan was leaving, and allegations that the museum was in financial strife.

    Financial review documents for the 2012-13 financial year presented to Parliament showed 10 Te Papa staff had Koru Card membership, compared with two in 2011-12, and just one in 2010-11.

    In 2012-13, Te Papa spent $592,747 on international travel, compared with $426,407 in 2011-12. Spending on domestic travel fell from $501,426 in 2011-12 to $282,137 in 2012-13.

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  41. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Duxton: This event occurred during an event just before/after Labour were tossed out of power. The victim only came out with the allegations in the last couple of years, but seems to have been bought off, or scared off, pursuing them. There is a lot to be heard around the halls of Parliament when the subject is broached. There is definitely some merit in the claims. Try an ex minister who likes trains.

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  42. fernglas (157 comments) says:

    Given that the capital gains tax proposed by Labour will exempt the family home, but target businesses, unit trusts, share market gains and holiday homes, will the average New Zealander not simply pile all their money into the family home, thereby driving prices even higher? Why should such a tax in practice free up money for investment when the risks of that type of investment seem to anyone to be greater than the passive investment of residential property? I know other countries have a capital gains tax, but that doesn’t mean it will work here. Over the years this country has been too fond of taking other countries’ bad ideas and trying to make them work here.

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  43. Kiwi Dave (89 comments) says:

    EAD @ 8.24
    I think you might have misread the ice sheet article. The danger identified here is not the floating ice sheet which, as you point out, can have no effect on sea levels, but the land-based ice sheet behind it which might then slide into the ocean.

    Of course, this doesn’t invalidate your main point about priorities and immediate dangers.

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  44. Lindsay Addie (1,515 comments) says:

    Anyone looking for a new career as Prime Minister?

    http://www.seek.co.nz/job/26480767

    Look who you’ll be employed by!!

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  45. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    EAD
    Very seldom is Agenda 21 discussed. As a Sceptic, I see little point and prefer the strategy of proving their scientific claims to be wrong and then , once the chain of their argument is broken, everything else falls apart.
    History shows us that eventually, when they learn the truth, people remove that form of government .
    I would observe that around the world there is growing discontent with our ruling classes. Look at the rise of UKIP. The tea party is another and odds are we will see a reformation of the GOP because of it.

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  46. doggone7 (805 comments) says:

    Trevor Mallard can be pleased with his days work then! A number on here are talking about him. A number on here are posting about what he said. A number on here who say he lied and made stuff up have repeated what he said – things that were extremely hard, if not impossible to pick up when the incident happened in Parliament. He will be pleased with the wheels they have given to his display.

    He put out the notion of Ms Collins husband’s businesses gaining financially from her incidental, casual “stop on the way to the airport.”

    Well, Mr Mallard I’ve got to say this; I know you made insinuations, I realise you made wild guesstimates about downstream affects relating to the financial worth of things, but the essence of what you’re on about is dead right.

    In deliberate planned actions, the New Zealand Minister of Justice on justice business in China, put herself in the position of being involved in dealings which could be construed as being instrumental to benefiting her husband’s substantial business interests.

    Any financial advantage accruing to Ms Collins husband because of her involvement are unknown. Probably just as unknown as the reasons Ms Collins did not tell the truth about various aspects of what happened.

    What is known is that the same sort of deliberate, premeditated steps all the way to the “private dinner” have been evident in the obfuscation from Judith Collins since the story broke. Mallard was booted out, Collins has been found out.

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  47. Manolo (13,780 comments) says:

    stephanieboy will not like this article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2621534/How-I-left-suicidal-turned-10million-offers-scapegoat-save-Bill-Clintons-career-Monica-Lewinsky.html

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  48. fernglas (157 comments) says:

    Where can I go to find out the truth about climate change, rather than the opinionated and often totally opposite opinions I read everywhere? Or is asking for the truth these days too much to expect?

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  49. jcuk (687 comments) says:

    For EAD …
    The effects of human-induced climate change are being felt in every corner of the United States, scientists reported Tuesday, with water growing scarcer in dry regions, torrential rains increasing in wet regions, heat waves becoming more likely and more severe, wildfires growing worse, and forests dying under assault from heat-loving insects.
    Such sweeping changes have been caused by an average warming of less than 2 degrees Fahrenheit over most land areas of the country in the past century, the scientists found. If greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide and methane continue to escalate at a rapid pace, they said, the warming could conceivably exceed 10 degrees by the end of this century.
    “Climate change, once considered an issue for a distant future, has moved firmly into the present,” the scientists declared in a major new report assessing the situation in the United States.
    source NYT today

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  50. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Ahoy Kea!

    A day or two ago you were citing Indonesia as a moderate Islamic country on the ground of your visit there.

    Better have a look at this:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2621260/Widow-gang-raped-punishment-having-affair-married-man-Indonesia-caned-public-Sharia-law.html

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  51. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    “Where can I go to find out the truth about climate change”

    Go to the beach and see if it has really moved in land flooding cities, as predicted. Or buy a cheap thermometer ;)

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  52. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Jack5 , yes I read that. Disgusting !

    Aceh is a shithole. The government was strongly condemned in Indonesia for conceding to Aceh. I have Indo friends and thought of them being brutalised in that way sickens me.

    You will note I am very vocal about the harm of religion, so I am surprised you addressed me.

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  53. jcuk (687 comments) says:

    CAS 8.42 Thanks for telling me what I missed, and don’t miss, by sleeping in until just after 8 AM :)

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  54. minus (197 comments) says:

    minus – 8:10 am Cunliffe secret loan

    Well, bugger – that went the other way to what I expected. Probably a little like a Japanese double negative :-)

    It is interesting this issue raised 36 upticks [against] Cunliffe yesterday, 29 the day before and 33 before that, with 5 disapproving of the comment.
    And 27 again up so far today.

    Imagine future historians [if history hasn't been rewritten enough to discredit it completely] trolling through newspapers and blogs and reading of Cunliffe’s secret fund and two shonky donations, and they check the Official Record of New Zealand’s Parliament for definitive information: Hansard, and bugger me – nothing.

    A 6 month illicit loan, to secretly assist a Member of Parliament, officially wiped from Parliament’s history.

    Understandable how this may piss off 125 up-tickers just a little :-)
    I now give up on this

    Cunliffe, Labour’s Biggest Tool

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  55. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    jcuk
    I read that report . Why no mention of hurricanes, typhoons, floods etc. that’s right, because none of those have increased . So much for climate change huh.
    So let’s recap.
    Temp increase in the last 100 years- about .7K
    No statistically significant temp rise in the last 18 years
    Sea level rise still at 2-3 mm per decade and dropping
    Ice Extent above normal in Antarctica and almost back to normal in the Arctic
    Extreme weather events less than long term average
    Ho hum, life on the Planet as usual and everything within natural variability.

    Oh what’s that noise I hear? Is it Griff smashing his keyboard in impotent rage?
    Bwahahahaha

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  56. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Something urgently needs to be done about tourists and others from overseas driving dangerously.

    The problem has increased with the increase in folk from China, and now India, visiting. They drive on the right hand side of the road in China, and in India, well, the roads are riotous.

    How many people are going to be maimed or killed before the politicians act.

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/queenstown-lakes/301357/tourist-drivers-claims-denied

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  57. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ lilman (703 comments) says:
    May 7th, 2014 at 8:08 am

    Why is Judith Collins so scared of telling the whole truth?

    Who was the secret guest (a chinese border official) who attended a pre-arranged dinner?

    Why is Judith Collins being secretive if there is nothing to hide, what doesn’t she want exposed?

    (see lilman, its a merry go round – with all sides playing the same pathetic game)

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  58. Fletch (6,390 comments) says:

    SO, it turns out that the number in Crimea who voted to join with Russia is only about 15%. Putin’s own Human Rights council published it on a Govt website before it was hastily taken down.

    The website of the “President of Russia’s Council on Civil Society and Human Rights” posted a blog that was quickly taken down as if it were toxic radioactive waste. According to the Council’s report about the March referendum to annex Crimea, the turnout was a maximum 30%. And of these, only half voted for annexation – meaning only 15 percent of Crimean citizens voted for annexation.

    The fate of Crimea, therefore, was decided by the 15 percent of Crimeans, who voted in favor of unification with Russia (under the watchful eye of Kalashnikov-toting soldiers).

    The official Crimean election results, as reported widely in the Western press, showed a 97 percent vote in favor of annexation with a turnout of 83 percent. No international observers were allowed. This pro-Russia election pressure would have raised the already weak vote in favor of annexation.

    To make sure no one misses this:

    Official Kremlin results: 97% for annexation, turnout 83 percent, and percent of Crimeans voting in favor 82%.

    President’s Human Rights Council results: 50% for annexation, turnout 30%, percent of Crimeans voting in favor 15%

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/05/05/putins-human-rights-council-accidentally-posts-real-crimean-election-results-only-15-voted-for-annexation/

    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/did-vladimir-putins-human-rights-council-just-publish-2014-5

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  59. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Two interesting points for plane nuts in this video –

    1. Would the Saab have been a good, cheaper fighter for NZ if Helen Clark hadn’t gelded our Air Force?

    2. The people of Switzerland vote in a referendum on whether the country will buy this figthter.

    http://video.ft.com/3356691819001/Saab-upturns-fighter-jet-market/Companies

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  60. Fletch (6,390 comments) says:

    A Princeton student published an article in Time magazine that is driving liberals crazy. It’s to do with a phrase often cited to white students, “check your privilege”, in order to somehow make them feel guilty for being white and privileged. He goes on to describe his grandparents, how they escaped from the Nazis, how his family came to the U.S with nothing and couldn’t speak the language, and how he has nothing to apologize for.

    Behind every success, large or small, there is a story, and it isn’t always told by sex or skin color.

    There is a phrase that floats around college campuses, Princeton being no exception, that threatens to strike down opinions without regard for their merits, but rather solely on the basis of the person that voiced them. “Check your privilege,” the saying goes, and I have been reprimanded by it several times this year. The phrase, handed down by my moral superiors, descends recklessly, like an Obama-sanctioned drone, and aims laser-like at my pinkish-peach complexion, my maleness, and the nerve I displayed in offering an opinion rooted in a personal Weltanschauung. “Check your privilege,” they tell me in a command that teeters between an imposition to actually explore how I got where I am, and a reminder that I ought to feel personally apologetic because white males seem to pull most of the strings in the world.

    [...]

    Perhaps it’s the privilege my grandfather and his brother had to flee their home as teenagers when the Nazis invaded Poland, leaving their mother and five younger siblings behind, running and running until they reached a Displaced Persons camp in Siberia, where they would do years of hard labor in the bitter cold until World War II ended. Maybe it was the privilege my grandfather had of taking on the local Rabbi’s work in that DP camp, telling him that the spiritual leader shouldn’t do hard work, but should save his energy to pass Jewish tradition along to those who might survive. Perhaps it was the privilege my great-grandmother and those five great-aunts and uncles I never knew had of being shot into an open grave outside their hometown. Maybe that’s my privilege.

    Or maybe it’s the privilege my grandmother had of spending weeks upon weeks on a death march through Polish forests in subzero temperatures, one of just a handful to survive, only to be put in Bergen-Belsen concentration camp where she would have died but for the Allied forces who liberated her and helped her regain her health when her weight dwindled to barely 80 pounds.

    Perhaps my privilege is that those two resilient individuals came to America with no money and no English, obtained citizenship, learned the language and met each other; that my grandfather started a humble wicker basket business with nothing but long hours, an idea, and an iron will—to paraphrase the man I never met: “I escaped Hitler. Some business troubles are going to ruin me?” Maybe my privilege is that they worked hard enough to raise four children, and to send them to Jewish day school and eventually City College.

    Perhaps it was my privilege that my own father worked hard enough in City College to earn a spot at a top graduate school, got a good job, and for 25 years got up well before the crack of dawn, sacrificing precious time he wanted to spend with those he valued most—his wife and kids—to earn that living. I can say with certainty there was no legacy involved in any of his accomplishments. The wicker business just isn’t that influential. Now would you say that we’ve been really privileged? That our success has been gift-wrapped?

    [...]

    But far more important for me than his attributes was the legacy he sought to pass along, which forms the basis of what detractors call my “privilege,” but which actually should be praised as one of altruism and self-sacrifice. Those who came before us suffered for the sake of giving us a better life. When we similarly sacrifice for our descendents by caring for the planet, it’s called “environmentalism,” and is applauded. But when we do it by passing along property and a set of values, it’s called “privilege.” (And when we do it by raising questions about our crippling national debt, we’re called Tea Party radicals.) Such sacrifice of any form shouldn’t be scorned, but admired.

    [...]

    Behind every success, large or small, there is a story, and it isn’t always told by sex or skin color. My appearance certainly doesn’t tell the whole story, and to assume that it does and that I should apologize for it is insulting. While I haven’t done everything for myself up to this point in my life, someone sacrificed themselves so that I can lead a better life. But that is a legacy I am proud of.

    I have checked my privilege. And I apologize for nothing.

    http://time.com/85933/why-ill-never-apologize-for-my-white-male-privilege/

    Good for him

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  61. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    Fletch
    So much like our own Local Government elections- heh.

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  62. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    Jack5
    Heck no. What was it? 20 F16’s and spares for $100 million.and with the latest tech upgrade. Buy of the century.

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  63. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    Fletch

    Thanks for posting that .Yesterday in the post about media slant mikemarxistmild wanted examples of cultural marxism,which of course, we see,everyday.

    The ‘Check your privelige” handed down by moral superiors in academia is a good one. Constant undermining of the host race ,males and private property.

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  64. questions (207 comments) says:

    “the host race”

    Tell us more?

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  65. mandk (993 comments) says:

    Latest HLFS says employment is up by 83,000 from a year ago (+3.7%).
    Employment up by 108,000 since Nats came to power in 2008Q4 and up 163,000 since the low point of the GFC in 2009Q3.

    Unemployment rate is unchanged in latest quarter but down y on y. Main reason is large increase in participation rate.

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  66. lilman (959 comments) says:

    Judith,youve never been the same since you were dumped from the Bain wedding list.

    Beware a woman scrned.

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  67. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    SO, it turns out that the number in Crimea who voted to join with Russia is only about 15%.

    No international observers were allowed.

    I call bullshit. There were over a hundred international observers, if there was such huge disparity between Crimean turnout figures and actual turnout (80% vs 30%), then why didn’t the international observers say anything?

    135 international observers have arrived from 23 countries, including Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Latvia and Poland, Crimean authorities said. Among those monitoring the referendum are members of the EU and national European parliaments, international law experts and human rights activists.
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/crimean-referendum-at-gunpoint-is-a-myth-international-observers/5373767

    Remember how the UN general assembly called the vote illegal?

    From the UN: “In addition, the report concludes that “the presence of paramilitary and so-called self-defence groups … widely believed to be from the Russian Federation, was not conducive to an environment in which voters could freely exercise their right … to freedom of expression.”

    “I haven’t seen anything even resembling pressure” ~ Ewald Stadler, member of the European Parliament.

    “Of course it is a legal vote, because we are talking about real men and women who are Russian in their heart, in their history,” ~ Aymeric Chauprade, French geopolitical analyst.

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  68. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Don’t take anything from globalresearch.ca too seriously Ugly. The ‘observers’ were shills for the Russkies.

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  69. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    kowtow
    Nice to see you having a go at ‘cultural marxism’. I appreciate that it is difficult for you, but to make a point, of course, you will need to explain how widespread ‘check your privilege’ is and how exactly it is a manifestation of cultural marxism.

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  70. cha (4,019 comments) says:

    A Princeton student published an article in Time magazine that is driving liberals crazy.

    Had he written the article when admission policies were used to keep people just like him out of Princeton I imagine Tal Fortgang would be singing quite a different song.

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  71. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Don’t take anything from globalresearch.ca too seriously Ugly. The ‘observers’ were shills for the Russkies.

    So you’re implying that the Crimean election commission is a group of Russian shills?

    Thirty observers, who come from 10 European nations, have arrived in Crimea at the invitation of the republic’s election commission and have already started their work, Mateusz Piskorski, the director of the European Geopolitical Analysis Centre and the mission coordinator, said.

    “Russophobic hysteria over the Crimea referendum is everywhere, all Western authorities are against it, and all say that it’s a violation of the international law. But have a look at Kosovo, Scotland and Catalonia, etc. – Russians also have a right to determine their future, where they want to live, as a part of Russia or as they wish.”

    http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/03/16/crimea-calm-ahead-of-referendum-intl-observers.html

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  72. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    You have to look at who those observers were and why credible groups, like OSCE, were not invited to send observers.

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  73. Nukuleka (327 comments) says:

    I note that The Press has a blazing front page banner headline knocking the latest government initiative that aims to help both the rebuild and the country’s unemployed. Ruth Dyson and others well past their used-by-date naturally have a great deal to say.

    This is the essential problem with Christchurch and why the rest of New Zealand is well over the city and its post earthquake issues. No matter what proposals are made the whingers and knockers (generally from the left of the political spectrum) grab all the MSM attention and do their best to undermine any real progress.

    I don’t think that people outside Christchurch realise how little has been done in the central city and how inept and dithering Lianne Dalziel and most of the city councillors are. There continues to be a ‘poor us’ mentality at large among many of the city’s population and it is no wonder that Gerry Brownlee finds the powers that be down here so frustrating.

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  74. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ lilman (704 comments) says:
    May 7th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    oh dear – that was your best shot? The team is really running short of material huh?

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  75. stephieboy (3,091 comments) says:

    I note earlier today one called kea was spreading disinformation about Vatican complicity in the Rwandan genocide..Also wondering why the US did not do more in Rwanda.
    Yes Rwanda was a tragedy and reflected rather poorly not only on the US but the collective will of the whole of the International community including the UN and member states like China,Iran,Saudi Arabia and Russia etc.What did they individually do about the genocide.? also that the US was allied to the Tutsi minority and policy was influenced by the recent. military failure in Mogadishu and Somalia
    But before you cast dispersions or throw dung at either the US or the Vatican , tell us what the Organization of Islamic Conference ( OIC ) were doing about the genocide in the Darfur in which the Sudanese Islamic Leader there, is an indicted war criminal for that genocide.?
    Finally, yes the Croatians did have al lot to answer for in respect of their part in the genocide in Croatia .But lets nor forget the role of the Bosnian Muslims who , among, many things, obliged Hitler and Himmler with a complete SS division courtesy of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.
    Is that saying about casting the first stone in the Bible or Quran.?

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  76. tom hunter (4,852 comments) says:

    Oh for the days when white privilege actually meant WASP’s. Given that they’re virtually extinct it is necessary to – shall we say – broaden the definition of white privilege.

    Speaking of keeping people out of universities because of race there’s this:

    Weeks after some Asian-American lawmakers killed a measure to restore affirmative action in California’s public colleges by withdrawing their support, backlash from Democrats who supported the effort is surfacing in the Capitol and on the campaign trail.

    Repercussions of the Legislature’s decision last month to shelve Senate Constitutional Amendment 5 appear to be pitting some African American and Latino Democrats against their Asian American colleagues. Asian American Democrats were the subject of an intense advocacy campaign by opponents of affirmative action, and their decision not to support the measure caused it to fail last month.

    There’s actually no way out of this for the California Democrats or the Left in general. Once they start dividing things up by race, eventually they’ll have to turn on eachother.

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  77. cha (4,019 comments) says:

    Russian shills, nah, never.
    //

    http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141067/mitchell-a-orenstein/putins-western-allies

    http://anton-shekhovtsov.blogspot.co.nz/2014/03/pro-russian-extremists-observe.html

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  78. johnwellingtonwells (137 comments) says:

    I wonder if Chubby Robertson will admit his mistake about confusing two brands of milk made by Green Valley and his false allegations.
    Pigs can fly

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  79. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    You have to look at who those observers were and why credible groups, like OSCE, were not invited to send observers.

    The same OSCE which was involved with NATO espoionage?

    On Friday evening in Vienna, on the first program of the Austrian television, Claus Neukirch, a high-ranking official of the OSCE, said this was not our group, not our visit, we were not the ones who did it. This is also admitted on the Deutsche Welle. Deutsche Welle is the international TV and radio of the German Foreign Ministry.
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/04/28/360394/osce-team-in-ukraine-nato-spies/

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  80. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/10017622/Warriors-Konrad-Hurrell-fined-for-sex-video

    Fined $5000.

    That is an expensive blowjob.

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  81. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Russian shills, nah, never.

    Oh! The observers were from the far right!!
    Oh! The observers were from the far left!!

    What does it matter? The issue is whether or not they accurately reported any misconduct.

    Whenever you see someone dismissing something because it’s from a left-leaning or right leaning source, they are simply appealing to political prejudice in their ad hominem.

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  82. J Bloggs (241 comments) says:

    All_on_red: IIRC we weren’t going to buy the F-16’s, we would have been leasing them from the USAF.

    At the time the deal was offered, I’d have gone with the F-16 over the Gripen. But in an alternate history where NZ still has a combat wing, having had a look at the details of the latest Gripen versions, I’d be more than happy for the RNZAF to look at it as a replacement for the F-16’s which would be starting to reach the point where our A-4’s were 20 years ago.

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  83. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    Bloggy
    Granted, it is a cool weapon. I must have missed how much each though? Do you know?

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  84. stephieboy (3,091 comments) says:

    Certainly an alleged independednent research organization with a repuatinn for scholarly analysis like Global Research richly deserves to come under the critical spot light .What may of started as one has degenerated into a Conpiracy Theory platform prompting polemics and Propoganda about NWO ,HAARP ,Vaccines ,9/11 , and on it goes.A regular contributor is Paul Craig Roberts claiming recently that the Ukraine was in reality a satellite of Russia and therefore Russia has every right to it ,it seems.Will Roberts stop there .? Belarus or or even Poland another Sattilite to add to Putin’s scalp.?
    Music to Putin and his Russia Today’s ears as Global Resaerch swallows Conpiracy Theory and what the Kremlin says, hook line and sinker.!

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch.ca

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  85. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    The political leanings of the ‘observers’ should have been irrelevant, except to the extent that the Russians only allowed observers who would report favourably on the sham referendum. It just happened that most of the ‘observers’ were from far-right fringe European political parties.

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  86. Nukuleka (327 comments) says:

    I notice that on TV One News last night they made a dirty and inappropriate innuendo re the Hurrell sex video referring to the issue ‘blowing away’. I wonder really whether this type of clever clogs smut is the kind of thing we should get on what purports to be a serious news programme. More they type of childish double entendre that might be served up on ‘The Crowd Goes Wild’.

    But then I know I’m out of touch with modern attitudes and mores.

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  87. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    … except to the extent that the Russians only allowed observers who would report favourably on the sham referendum.

    It wasn’t the Russians who invited the observers, it was the Crimeans.
    They didn’t ‘allow’ anything, they invited them.

    You arguing on faith again mikey?

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  88. J Bloggs (241 comments) says:

    From Wiki relating to the Swiss deal currently underway:

    The [22 Gripen NG] are expected to be delivered from 2018 to 2021 at a fixed price of CHF 3.126 billion ($3.27 billion) which includes development costs, mission planning systems, initial spares and support, training, and certification. The Swedish government also guaranteed the price, performance and operational suitability of the aircraft. 8 JAS 39Cs and 3 JAS 39Ds are to be leased from 2016 to 2020 to train Swiss pilots.

    So not cheap, but we’re talking 2014, replacing the 25 year old, 1st generation F-16’s. Hungary and Czech republic both lease thier Gripens, so another option.

    Janes also estimated the operational costs of the Gripen as being much lower than other comparable Western fighters ($4700/hr vs $7000/hr for later version F-16’s). This would largely be due to it being single engined (most of the other fighters compared to were twin engined), although the Swedes also ensure that the Gripen can be operated and maintained by their own forces and support base (being neutrals and going it alone militarily, by and large), so modularity and ease of maintainence, which is also important to a smaller country.

    In reality, I would suspect that the government would just spend $100mil every few years on upgrading the F-16’s, staving off obsolenence until they were as ancient as the A-4’s were before replacing them….:(

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  89. cha (4,019 comments) says:

    John Schindler’s view.

    http://20committee.com/2014/05/05/russias-soft-power-and-the-great-patriotic-war/

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  90. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock (9,823 comments) says:
    May 7th, 2014 at 8:09 am

    @ hj – Winston must be awfully proud of you. Keep up the good work, and you might get Denis O’Rourke’s list place when Peters drops him like a hot potato :D

    =====================================

    Still waiting.

    Ain’t gunna happen.

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  91. stephieboy (3,091 comments) says:

    Good points milkenmild and how can you have an honest referendum with Russian Troops present there ? .Additionally how can the needs of minorities like the Crimean Tatars be fairly and adequately met.?
    After all they occupied and lived in their homeland the Crimea long before the Russians did.
    The allegations by Stalin that they were complicit in Nazi collaboration were trumped up and certainly had no rights to
    be heard or to appeal
    Observers UT.? UN etc.?
    .Thousands died in the forced exile to Central Soviet Asia.

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  92. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    nukuleka

    You’re not the one who’s out of touch.The media luvvies are busy pushing their agenda as hard as they can.As the media are so pervasive one does get the impression one is out of touch,But that’s how they want you to feel ( wrong side of history, progressive social policies etc) Till you talk to other normal folk who don’t live in the studio bubble that these tuggers do.

    They really attacked Brash on his comment about “mainstream” New Zealand.Brash had 80 % of NZ behind him. Yo wouldn’t have thought that listening to the studio elites.

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  93. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    FYI Kiwibloggers – in case you missed this?

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    Fellow anti-corruption ‘Public Watchdog’ (ex-Police Sergeant, now Private Investigator Grace Haden – BLOWS THE WHISTLE on this National Government’s multiple connections with Oravida, and asks :

    “is it all about scampi?’

    Forwarded in the public interest.

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-Corruption / Anti-Privatisation Public Watchdog’

    _____________________________________________________________________________________________

    http://www.anticorruption.co.nz/2014/05/06/nationals-multiple-connections-with-oravida-is-it-all-about-scampi/

    Nationals multiple connections with Oravida – is it all about scampi ?

    May 6, 2014 | Author corruptionnz

    peter goodfellowAny house wife will tell you that if you sweep dirt under the rug that you will eventually be caught out. In terms of politics I think NZ has got to the stage where we are ignoring this fact but the reality is becoming visible

    I find it amazing that in 8 years I have not been able to get a government response on the corruption in Animal welfare where a lawyer was able to write legislation for his own business plan which he then advised on and obtained after making an application in a false name.

    Obviously I was not going to get a response as this would expose the tactics which are considered legitimate by both the National and Labour parties.

    The illusion of our corruption free status is the facade behind which the reality exists. We need only look at the events of the past week to see that Foreign citizens get far more attention from our politicians than locals do .

    While politicians are elected by the public ( real persons ) the support of our government appears to be to companies ( legal person ) .

    a Simple chronology sourced from the Oravida news page shows involvement of the government with the company

    Origins of the company

    The company was incorporated on 2/12/2009 as KIWI DAIRY CORPORATION LIMITED it went through several name changes to become ORAVIDA NZ LIMITED

    The company ORAVIDA LIMITED was formed on 22 July 2011 and became the owner of ORAVIDA NZ LIMITED ( which was previously called Oravida Ltd ) in September 2011 .

    chronology is as follows

    26/08/2011

    On August 25th, most prominent harbour buildings’ in Auckland CBD. The event was well attended by guests from the government, business associates and building’s key tenants. Mr. Peter Goodfellow, the chairman of NZ’s national party and his partner, Member of the Parliament for central Auckland as well as partners from PWC and Bell Gully were all in the attendance.

    6/09/2011 Julia Jiyan XU appointed director oravida ltd

    8/10/2011 Opening of the Oravida Shanghai

    22-Nov-11 Oravida NZ Limited donates $1,600 to National Party

    22-Nov-11 Oravida NZ Limited donates $55,000 to National Party

    1/12/2011 New Zealand Scampi Tasting cocktail party at NZTE Shanghai

    21/03/2012

    Seafood and Wine luncheon with New Zealand Minister of Trade at NZ On March 21st, 2011, Oravida proudly sponsored the seafood & wine luncheon with Mr. Tim Groser, New Zealand’s Minister of Trade at New Zealand Center in Shanghai. The event was aimed to present New Zealand seafood and wines to a well-attended group top chefs. Mr. Groser said: “ if you are looking for the cheapest product, New Zealand in not the place, but if you are looking for products that offer best value for money, you will find such products everywhere in New Zealand.”

    20/06/2012

    Led by the district Mayor, Li, Yaoxin, the delegation of Shanghai’s Changning municipality conducted a weeklong official visit in New Zealand. The main purpose of the visit was to explore the possibilities of branding New Zealand as part of Changning District’s initiatives of “country specific centers”, which is a trading platform intended for companies around the world to showcase and subsequently sell unique and under discovered products in China. Oravida Ltd is one of the chosen companies by Changning District government to spearhead the efforts representing New Zealand.

    Oravida’s vision to bring safe, natural and minimally processed premium food, unique to New Zealand’s unspoiled environment to Chinese consumers resonates well with Changning Government’s missions. By choosing Changning District as the home for Oravida’s China Showcase of New Zealand products, the company is best positioned to bridge the supply and demand by capitalizing on Chinese government’s support to promote country specific products, especially in establishing the consumer confidence in China, and New Zealand government’s endorsement for promoting companies with premium products from New Zealand to gain access to a much needed bigger market. During the visit, Mayor Li, Yaoxin met with the National party chairman Peter Goodfellow to discuss this exciting opportunity extensively and laid down the foundation for the bilateral collaborations.

    11-Oct-12 David WONG-TUNG husband of Judith Collins National MP appointed director Oravida and Oravida NZ

    26/10/2012

    On Friday 26th October 2012, Mr Deyi Shi the founder and principal of the Oravida Group of Companies, a passionate and extremely competent golfer, had the honour of playing golf with New Zealand’s current Prime Minister The Right Honourable John Key. Prime Minister Key, a keen and competent golfer, entered into the light hearted spirit of the head to head competition with Mr Shi at this fun event.

    10/11/2012 Oravida and Sanford, partners in premium seafood for China

    On November 10th, 2012, New Zealand Herald, the country’s leading newspaper featured an article on New Zealand seafood, ‘Sanford hooks into China market’. The article revealed to readers that because of the rising wealth in China, a shift in taste towards more premium seafood has been recognised. Oravida in partnership with Sanford has been successfully seizing the opportunity to supply New Zealand scampi to over 200 restaurants in Shanghai and is expecting to bring more high-end seafood species to China’s shores in the near future. The Chief executive of Sanford, Eric Barratt, says that sales to China are likely to increase from 8.5 per cent of Sanford’s total exports to around 25 per cent over the next eight years. Sanford is confident that China’s growing demand for imported seafood can be supplied sustainably and well managed, especially with partners with extensive local knowledge. Peter John GOODFELLOW National party president is a director of Sanfords

    9/04/2013

    During Prime Minister John Key’s visit to China, The Honorable Tim Grosser, Minister of Trade, The Right Honorable Sir Donald McKinnon,Chairman of New Zealand China Council visited Sogo Supermarket in Shanghai, where many of the NZ premium products are sold. Among many of the NZ products, Oraivda’s fresh milk and Sanford’s scampi are the newest additions to the product lists, and can certainly be categorized as the most innovative.

    7/10/2013

    Oravida NZ moved into a new premise on Oct. 7th, 2013. The relocation of our corporate office to 139 Quay Street, a building which we bought two years ago symbolizes that Oravida has entered into the next phase of fast growth.Present Jenny Shipley – Judith Collins cut the ribbon

    5/11/2013 Led by New Zealand’s Trade and Enterprise, Oravida successfully participated in the global seafood show held in Dalian.

    20/10/2013 Directors of Oravida invited to a community lunch with Judith Collins total present 15-20 people

    20/10/2013 Private dinner with Judith Collins and Oravida directors

    23/10/2013

    The Honorable Judith Collins, Minister of Justice, ACC and Ethnic Affairs, His excellency, Ambassador Carl Workervisited Oravida Shanghai office upon company’s invitation. As a NZ company committed to branding NZ’s premium food products and developing the distribution channels in China for these products, Oravida has been at the forefront of advocating food “made in NZ”. Both Minister Collins and Ambassador Walker recognized company’s efforts, congratulated us on what we have achieved and encouraged us to continue building NZ’s premium food reputation in China.

    23/12/2013 Oravida group donates $30,000 to national party

    19-Mar-14

    Prime Minister John Key met up with Oravida’s chairman Stone Shi at a dinner in Beijing last night, greeting him with a handshake and a “nice to see you again” before posing for photos.

    Comment

    If only every New Zealand company could get such an endorsement from our government then the playing field would be level.

    It would appear that this is as much about promoting Oravida as it is about facilitating exports into china for Sanford , which is the family company of Peter Goodfellow

    While transparency international New Zealand maintains that there is integrity in our systems the reality is that integrity is lacking.

    Persons with vested interest are able to influence the government and while this can occur we are in danger of having our government influenced by those who wish to financially gain from it.

    State capture—a form of grand corruption

    The events of the last week would suggest that our government is far from independent . The corruption which exists and is considered normal in other countries is being brought in to New Zealand. We are naive and do not have processes in place to deal with corruption

    It cold well be considered that Judith Collins who through her husbands position at Oravida is obtaining a financial benefit from the promotion which she had undertaken in China on behalf of Oravida.

    In a three day visit she had lunch and dinner with the directors in Beijing and then visited the factory in Shanghai .. you have to remind yourself that she is the minister of Justice .. and remind me again what that has to do with scampi and milk .

    The documents which were released last week under the OIA are available here I have attempted to put them into chronological order

    chronological emails

    emails by topic ( more or less )

    pages 2-8 VISIT TO CHINA BY MINISTER OF JUSTICE 20 to 23 OCTOBER

    pages 9-10 Minster Collins’ Visit Update

    pages 11-25 Sunday 20 October private dinner

    pages 27-41 Minister Collins’ Visit

    pages 42-50 Minister of Justice visit to China update on programme elements

    pages 52-54 Oravida invitation

    pages 55-70 Minister of Justice call on Orivida Office Minister Collins’ Visit

    pages 72-78 request for Bios

    pages 79-80 brief sunday lunch

    pages 83-84 Briefing Oravida

    pages 85-86 invitation embassy

    pages 89-95 ambassador communications Oravida

    pages 96-104 JUDITH COLLINS TO CHINA 24- 2.9 JUNE

    _______________________________________________________________________________________________

    Grace Haden

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  94. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    I Bloggs
    Wow, not cheap. I think if we are realistic , running a fighter fleet was a bit rich for us. I can see how Australia would have liked it. Let’s face it, any conflict is going to be to the North of Australia first and a Fighter like the F16 would be useful. I think we have done pretty well with the new Navy Patrol boats, Seasprites, Agusta 109’s, NH 90’s, the 757’s. The LAVs perhaps not so much. What we need next are Hercules replacements. I see Boeing are about to finish C17 production. There probably couldn’t be a sweeter time to order three and spares ;-)
    They would solve lots of issues for us. Our dollar is high enough.

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  95. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    kowtow
    When did Don Brash ever have 80% support?

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  96. lilman (959 comments) says:

    Dishonest Penny ,pay up now !!!!!!!!!!

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  97. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    John Schindler’s view.

    “As Ukraine burns under quasi-covert attacks from Russia”

    LOL

    Berlin (AFP) – Dozens of specialists from the US Central Intelligence Agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation are advising the Ukrainian government, a German newspaper reported Sunday.

    Citing unnamed German security sources, Bild am Sonntag said the CIA and FBI agents were helping Kiev end the rebellion in the east of Ukraine and set up a functioning security structure.

    http://www.dailypaul.com/318258/report-cia-fbi-agents-advising-ukraine-government

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  98. Manolo (13,780 comments) says:

    Secretly obtained from the diary of the corrupt Miss Dim:

    Chronological emails by topic
    pages 1-3 Meeting Baycorp on unpaid rates
    pages 4-6 WINZ & IRD negotiations update
    pages 7-11 Auckland City Council rate arrears meeting
    pages 12-999 Benefits collection

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  99. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Dishonest Penny ,pay up now !!!!!!!!!!

    STFU lilman, you greasy little shit.

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  100. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    All_on_Red
    I thought the Hercules were being upgraded. Isn’t artillery capability the next poser?

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  101. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    Mikey
    The Hercules are slow and can’t carry much. Certainly not compared to the C17. Oz has six.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_C-17_Globemaster_III
    Won’t they need something to carry the artillery? How many 155 mm guns could a Herc carry? 1, 2? Pointless.
    I see Boeing are making 15 extra on the last run without a firm order and they are for sale. Bargain time. They’ll last us 40 years.

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  102. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Well they are being upgraded now so I can’t see us buying an enhanced capability any time soon.

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  103. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    Goodness me, we bought 3 Hercs in 1965 and 2 more in 1968.
    How are they still flying? Just amazing. It’s clear their time is pretty much up. Time to order something new.
    The C17 are only $220,000,000 each. Hahaha

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  104. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I think they are like Captain Cook’s axe- three new heads and five new handles.

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  105. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    I see, not like The Labour Party where neither politicians nor Policies are ever replaced!

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  106. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Talking about National MP’s – this is an excellent decision.
    I’m glad the Court has finally acknowledged the difference between this case and others.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/lombard-sentences-too-harsh-supreme-court-finds-5956101

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  107. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Endless renewal, or ‘rejuvenation’ or however you want to spin it.

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  108. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    Sort of, aircraft parts have a finite life ( hours used) and then need to be replaced. The term of that life depends on the type of part.
    Eventually though you run out of time on the airframe and pretty much have to build a new one. The wings on the Orion spring to mind. Maybe that’s what happening to the Hercules.

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  109. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I’m not sure of the details. It was a massive refurb or new C130Js and we went for the cheapest option.

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  110. J Bloggs (241 comments) says:

    All_on_Red: Re: the Herc’s – I’d just retire the older ones and go for a straight upgrade to the C-130J Super Herc. No need to retrain for a new aircraft system, and the rough field capability of the C-130 is excellent for use on the pacific islands.

    If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. We don’t need the airlift capability of the C-17.

    And they’re a snip at $68Mil a pop :)

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  111. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    mikemarxistmildew

    Orewa speech.

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  112. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    And the 80% was measured how?

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  113. J Bloggs (241 comments) says:

    MikenMild: Of course we did. Why buy new when you can just keep on No. 8’ing the ones we currently have?

    If I did to my car what the NZDF has to do to its equipment to keep it running, it would be ordered off the road by the NZTA.

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  114. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    And they’re a snip at $68Mil a pop

    We’ll have ten then!

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  115. Ryan Sproull (7,153 comments) says:

    The dial for Parliament today is at: http://ryansproull.com/nz-politics-buzz/

    I’ve added live streaming NZ Question Time in the top right, and in theory a live twitter stream on the bottom right. Enjoy.

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  116. stephieboy (3,091 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth , re FBI and CIA supporting KIev against Russian insurgents.? This is what your link amounts to,

    “Berlin (AFP) – Dozens of specialists from the US Central Intelligence Agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation are advising the Ukrainian government, a German newspaper reported Sunday.”,

    Citing unnamed German security sources, Bild am Sonntag said the CIA and FBI agents were helping Kiev end the rebellion in the east of Ukraine and set up a functioning security structure.”

    Allegations pure and simple and do you think Putin and his FSB are just standing idly by in the Eastern Ukraine.? I wonder where the street protesters got their shoulder rocket launchers from that downed three Ukrainian helicopters.??

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  117. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    Stephie
    They probably got the rocket launchers from the Ukrainian army. Lots of Russians in that army

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  118. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Allegations pure and simple

    Supported by this:

    CIA director Brennan landed in Ukraine on Saturday under an assumed name and held a “series of secret meetings” with the country’s “power bloc” Interfax reported,
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-13/did-cia-director-brennan-visit-kiev-recently

    [The White House] said it was a flat-out lie that Brennan was in Ukraine and then today we have the White House reverse itself and say in fact Brennan had been in Ukraine.
    http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/04/15/358697/us-caught-in-big-lie-over-brennan/

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  119. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    Massive support for Brash on Orewa.

    Other formal,legal polls conducted in local election referenda around the country on Maori representation reflect a similar 80% don’t want special treatment for maori.

    We need a national binding referendum on this ,to put it to rest once and for all.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/content/254475

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  120. iMP (2,385 comments) says:

    Why Libertarianism doesn’t work and we need some regulations on public freedoms and ‘liberties’ (ala legal highs and alcohol use, etc).

    60 DIE DRINKING MOONSHINE.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/10018976/60-dead-after-drinking-moonshine

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  121. stephieboy (3,091 comments) says:

    U T,I still maintain that his presence is an allegation, pure and simple. Why go there himself in person when there are plenty of his subordinates to do the same job. ?
    Like this former FSB deputy head here,

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3144751/posts

    The presence of Russian servicemen and the former Deputy head of the FSB in the Ukraine that you wont see or here on Putin;s Russia Today or Voice of Russia .
    You’d be incredibly naive to think that the FSB is not in the thick of things.!

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  122. lilman (959 comments) says:

    UGLY TRUTH, hhhHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    You made my day.
    Now where is a drunk driver that speeds off and kills someone so you can call the police for everything you great New Zealander.

    To your parents I say, “Really ,is that your best effort”

    love the complete honesty of your post,it shows you in your true light Slow and nasty and ugly.

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  123. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    I wonder really whether this type of clever clogs smut is the kind of thing we should get on what purports to be a serious news programme. More they (sic) type of childish double entendre that might be served up on ‘The Crowd Goes Wild’.

    I know what you’re saying. Is it all about ratings ? Appealing to the young adults with disposable income. You’ve got to speak their language and draw them in. Informality moves towards tabloid news style – which another section will find a turn-off.

    One problem is you can’t please everyone. Too conservative and people fall asleep. Too easygoing and it doesn’t suit the stories. I guess it’s a story by story thing. You could ask the question whether sex video scandals are even newsworthy at all.

    You have to wonder if the criteria is quality news or ratings. If it’s ratings first – they’ll do as much as they can to work around fitting in some of the ‘juicy’ crap like the sex videos and then try to make the story ‘fun’ by livening it up with a bit of ‘witty patter’. So – you get all the depressing stuff about who’s oppressing who and then they’ll throw in the lollipops later.

    You’ve got TV1 and TV3 and then everything else – so there’s gravity between them. If one starts doing something the other one has to think about whether they’re missing out.

    A lot of people would think the same thing – declining standards. I’m talking the general level of education of the young reporters and journalists and their lack of eloquence in their speech. I’ve always been impressed by newspaper writing – by wordsmiths who clearly earn their living through some mastery of the English language. They know their craft (again – with the new generation this seems to be generally shifting).

    Who really knows how they make decisions about style and content etc ? They care about ratings – that’s for sure. Advertising dollars. The dollar will tell you if crass smarmy tagline comments are the go ?

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  124. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    Jack 5

    Re: ‘Would the Saab have been a good, cheaper fighter for NZ if Helen Clark hadn’t gelded our Air Force?’

    I am advised that although the Gripen was considered, the matter of compatibility with equipment operated by our allies meant that the proposed US purchase was more desirable, as the USA, Australian, NZ and, to a limited extent, British military forces tend to ‘speak the same language’, and operating ‘common equipment’ made a lot of sense, especially in respect of spare parts and the swapping of type-related information. Trying to get spare parts from a manufacturer 25,000 km away, is somewhat difficult (especially if they are non-co-operative because of a government edict) while 8,000 km is, effectively next door. The fact that Oz was / is operating the F-18 was also a factor that was taken into consideration, as was the cost that was being asked. The Gripen was quite new and as such an expensive piece of machinery. The Hornet was a little bit older and, being more numerous, readily available from US stocks already on hand. The F-18’s were, financially, a much better deal.

    It was an extremely ‘NZ-Friendly’ deal, but as we know, it is of course now sadly irrelevant. With the exception of one specific senior officer who was her willing ‘poodle’ (no names, but do a bit of research), Helun hated the military with a passion and as you can see she was quite successful in her determination to emasculate the services. As you may by now have noticed, and for now-unrecalled reasons, she especially-loathed the RNZAF, and her actions in respect of the F-18 deal is an example of this. As well, in an odd way it seems that she also saw the chance to ‘negate’ the F-18 deal as ‘one in the eye’ for the National government which she had displaced. The Nats’ had promoted the deal, so what better way to take vengeance than to destroy the most obvious example of their policies ‘Because you can’. Petty? definitely, but, being PM, she could so as she wished – and did!

    BTW: You do realise I hope, that the decision to dismantle the Strike Wing was made totally by her and without consultation or due-democratic process? By such means do socialists destroy society.

    It was all along time ago, but, unfortunately, the legacy of Clark H.E. still lingers…

    Hope this helps to answer your question.

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  125. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    One of my closest friends is ethnically Chinese but he is a 4th generation NZer and is a real kiwi

    So ethnically a New Zealander, not Chinese ? A NZder with Chinese ancestors ? How can someone be ethnically Chinese if they’re a born and bred kiwi ?

    So I’m ‘ethnically British’ because I was there until age eight ? You must be having my on mate. You’re telling me that a person comes to NZ as a child – picks up the atrocious mentally retarded sounding accent for life – and they’re never going to be a ‘roil koiwoi’. Fuck – something about that sounds right up itself – hahahaha.

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  126. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,752 comments) says:

    New Zealand could buy Ukrainian Helicopters:

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  127. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    love the complete honesty of your post…

    What, this one, lilman?

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  128. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,752 comments) says:

    Have to be quick though. Ukrainian helicopters tend to go plop these days:

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  129. lilman (959 comments) says:

    Coming from you that’s a complement.
    Does Penny turn you on?

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  130. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    LRS

    Re: ‘How can someone be ethnically Chinese if they’re a born and bred kiwi ?’

    Very easily. From what you have written you, yourself, are ‘ETHNICALLY ‘European’ You are CULTURALLY British and, to a lesser-extent also CULTURALLY a New Zealander.

    The ‘closest friend [who] is ethnically Chinese but he is a 4th generation NZer and is a real kiwi’ is ETHNICALLY a Chinese, but CULTURALLY he is a New Zealander.

    It takes time to ‘loose’ the culture of the ‘old country’ but after four generations, the idioms, speech patterns, and general cultural norms that the friend is exhibiting and identifies-with will be very definitely those of New Zealand. He would know no other. Linguistically and culturally, he would now be classified as ‘Native Born’.

    For yourself in this regard, as I have already noted, you are not CULTURALLY a New Zealander, irrespective of what your ‘papers’ and passport might say, and that you never will be. You are still ‘Too Close To Home’, and can (at least in theory), return there to settle should you so-wish. Your CULTURE because of your parents and THEIR background and norms, is BRITISH / NEW ZEALAND and, could even be , dependign on where your came from, be variously IRISH / NEW ZEALAND, ENGLISH / NEW ZEALAND, SCOTTISH / NEW ZEALAND, OR WELSH / NEW ZEALAND. Your children will be more ‘Culturally’ Kiwi’s, as they have fewer direct ties to the UK (although in theory they will now hold dual nationality, and could, if necessary, go ‘Home’). Your Grandchildren will however be different. Although STILL Ethnically European (I’m assuming no inter-marriage here BTW), they will be CULTURALLY New Zealanders, and as such have no direct knowledge or contact with the ‘Home Country’ that you came from. The UK will be a ‘curiousity’ that they COULD visit on an OE, but emotionally and CULTURALLY they identify with New Zealand and would say that they were ‘Kiwi’s’ first and foremost, Kiwi’s of European ETHNICITY.

    It’s all to do with the way the words are arranged….

    Hope this helps.

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  131. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Coming from you that’s a complement.

    You said: “love the complete honesty of your post…”

    Your self esteem must be at an all time low, then, lilman.

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  132. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    Komata
    Thanks- you express perfectly what I meant. Fwiw, I’m sixth generation. Ethnically part English, Irish and Maori.

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  133. calendar girl (1,236 comments) says:

    Well said, Nukuleka @ 12:35 and others.

    TV1’s main “News” programme is dummed down significantly by any comparitive measure (e.g. its selection & highlighting of trivia, celebrity obsession, hearty chat amongst newsreaders, and always something thrown in – whether newsworthy or not – for the entertainment of the ultra-young, to list of few of its journalistic shortcomings).

    But that would be solely the proprietor’s choice if the channel was privately owned, like most of its competitors.

    The problem with “One News” is that it comes from a channel owned, funded and underwritten by us as taxpayers. (Yes, I know that it earns advertising revenue, but not to an extent that would service adequately the capital invested or the inherent Government risk of inevitable business losses as “broadcasting” works through its twilight years).

    That a publicly-owned TV news source can continue to treat its owners / viewers with such journalistic disdain demonstrates how low we stoop in our subservience to old-style state control. Television NZ should be sold outright, now, to the highest bidder – even if that requires a financial incentive from the Government for some misguided entity to take it off our hands.

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  134. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    AO

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  135. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    (Don’t know how THAT happened – it WASN’T ‘finger trouble’).

    AOR

    Thanks, glad to know you understood what I meant. As is the case with the ‘Close friend’ previously referred-to, you are CULTURALLY a New Zealander, but because of your ‘ethnicity’ you are now in the interesting position of being able to choose your ethnicity (which must be fun at election time). Obviously only YOU know how you describe yourself, but knowing now your ethnic background, you prove my point rather well. Thanks.

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  136. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Well, Christchurch City Council is in the shit for money . . . they installed a Labour leech as mayor, who immediately surrounded herself with lackeys, costing untold millions, and has run a regime of fiscal negligence. Everywhere in the world where lefties get control of others’ monies there is disaster. Look at Lecher of Auckland, and he is getting them further into debt with his socialist schemes. Wake up NZ, these socialist losers must not get control of your hard-earned rates or taxes.

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  137. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    Although I stopped posting on Kiwiblog a few months ago, I’m going to make an exception here.

    At The Standard, on a post entitled “Judith Collins the walking dead”, Lanthanide made a comment “Given the rumour that she may be ill, the title of this post is not particularly apropos.”

    Lynn Prentice (lprent) – he who suffered a heart attack and has ever since utterly lambasted Whale Oil for apparently making some off-colour comments about it – proceeds to show an utterly astounding level of hypocrisy with this reply:

    [lprent: I've never noticed her being solicitous of the circumstances of the people she attacks. Why should we care? ]

    Unbelievable.

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  138. nasska (11,520 comments) says:

    The vicious nature of the left open for all to see again Graham.

    You should come back to the gentle camaraderie of KB. :)

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  139. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    komata – and would my children type in caps more than I do ? I think you’ll find that whatever a cultural NZder is, is morphing into a cultural American (I know – flippant). We’re starting to play spot the difference now. Young kiwis speak the yankee doodle lingo. Fuck – I do it. Not as much as them but still.

    I take on board a lot of your points and I don’t agree or disagree totally – it’s all good fun. The marginal cases are interesting. So – if someone leaves NZ to go to Aussie at age 20 and then come back to NZ age 40 or age 60 – what are they when they return at age 60 ? They haven’t been in NZ for forty years and might not even have been back in that time. They’re still culturally NZders even if they’ve missed the last forty out of forty years ?

    I could go to the UK. You can take me out of NZ – but you can’t take NZ out of me. It’s not going to just magically leave my head is it ? I would find it interesting that having been here 29 years in a row I don’t qualify whereas a ‘real kiwi’ can piss off overseas all their adult life and they’re a real kiwi no matter what because of they’re nth generation status.

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  140. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    How old were you when you came here, LRC? Do you think of yourself as a Kiwi?

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  141. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    Maybe the true test of if one is a New Zelander is whether or not it is deeply upsetting to know that the opinion of a New Zealander is that they deem them never to be one.

    mikenmild Yes

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  142. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Ugly what is the latest news on the MH370 passengers ? Are they still safely eating their Nasi Goreng and Chicken Legs with their Zionist captors ?

    You never did get around to telling us the purpose of this cunning plan ? Or do you think the Zionists are simply going to fly the plane into an office block again ? Personally I would expect a greater level of sophistication from our zionist reptilian illuminati overlords. And why hijack a plane when they have a massive global fleet of Chemtrail planes flying around the clock ?

    It all seems a bit poorly thought out to me :)

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  143. nasska (11,520 comments) says:

    ….”Why Libertarianism doesn’t work and we need some regulations on public freedoms and ‘liberties’ (ala legal highs and alcohol use, etc).”…..

    Why am I not surprised to see the pseudonym of “iMP” above this? Once again the know all conservative pontificates on the evils of recreational drugs & unlabelled liquor.

    So all we have to do is run everything past you & have our actions sanctioned by your God then all will be well. What a pity the authorities overlooked your talents & settled for democracy John.

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  144. nasska (11,520 comments) says:

    UT will be back to sort it out in a minute Kea…..he’s just being updated on the latest conspiracies. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ttiztgmwo2o0odb/UT1.jpg

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  145. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    Did I hear the PM say Dong Hua lu doesn’t speak English?

    If that’s the case how he get citizenship? Is fluent in te reo ?Or sign?

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  146. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    And if they can spell New Zealander – I’m having a shit time of it with typos tonight let me tell ya. Lift ya game sunshine !!

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  147. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Lynn Prentice (lprent) – he who suffered a heart attack and has ever since utterly lambasted Whale Oil for apparently making some off-colour comments about it – proceeds to show an utterly astounding level of hypocrisy with this reply:

    [lprent: I've never noticed her being solicitous of the circumstances of the people she attacks. Why should we care? ]

    Unbelievable.

    Not really. He treats people how they treat him.

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  148. nasska (11,520 comments) says:

    LR&C

    Not all immigrants assimilate the culture at the same speed….some from the ME don’t even bother trying but there’s a wide difference in the approach of various Poms too.

    Most people commenting here will remember the “all ooot brothers” & the “it weren’t like that baaaack ‘ome” Poms who washed up on these shores during the 50’s & 60’s. Just about every member of the Communist Party & the vast majority of union delegates were rejects from some post war British slum. We welcomed boat loads of the whining, soap dodging, lazy bastards.

    You are reaping the attitudes their reputations sowed. :)

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  149. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    narsekissa

    You refer of course to the legion of British tradesmen – the ones that created the legend of British workmanship – best illustrated by the Leyland P76. Is it any coincidence that British Leyland went TU when they all moved over here?

    We were so lucky to have the prospect of working on the Wellington BNZ building to attract them. Not to mention the wharves before containerisation.

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  150. nasska (11,520 comments) says:

    The attitude of the average British tradesman who transplanted his shiftless arse into the NZ industrial scene was unbelievable Davinci. If they actually had a real trade they considered that they knew everything there was to know the day their apprenticeship ended.

    Obviously there were exceptions but I’ve always held a contempt for UK “expertise”.

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  151. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    nasska – exactly. NZ isn’t NZ anymore anyway. It’s StarWarsland multiculturalism. Same with the StarWars Kingdom and StarWarstralia. They all be fucked up beyond recognition – hahahahaha.

    Yeah – I think I’ll go ‘home’ to somehwere like Bradford to be surrounded by ragheads. And take kowtow with me. Shit – he’ll love spelling it out for those filthy ragheads face to face.

    nazzie – I saw you’re a 1949 model – almost same as my mother. Can I swap parents ? Do you know what her fave pastime is ? Sitting at green lights cluelessly like the car’s had a breakdown – hahaha. But won’t let anyone else drive – oh no. Screams in terror – literally. I’m not kidding.

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  152. nasska (11,520 comments) says:

    I think the “home” you may remember in the UK was being dismantled behind you as you left LR&C….you’d be like a square peg in a round hole over there.

    One of the reasons for the hell of multiculturalism that is modern day Britain is overlooked. British workers of the 50’s through 70’s over priced their labour mostly via militant unionism. The fact that the government allowed virtually unchecked immigration, initially from the West Indies & then from Pakistan, was to get some people into the country who would actually work.

    Then the displaced unemployed & unemployable moved here to continue their culture of disruptive militarism.

    Edit. I’m getting a bit confused at times too LR&C. :)

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  153. calendar girl (1,236 comments) says:

    igm@5:26 – “Well, Christchurch City Council is in the shit for money . . . they installed a Labour leech as mayor, who immediately surrounded herself with lackeys, costing untold millions, and has run a regime of fiscal negligence.”

    Given Dalziel’s haste to publish the first “shortfall” assessment of $537m from a single consulting firm, is she simply seeking to blackmail the Government pre-Election to hand her another half-billion dollars to play with? Isn’t leadership of a city easy when you act as a Labour Mayor with his/her hand out? Ask Liability Len in Auckland.

    Minister Brownlee is prudent to seek further input from other advisory sources sources before taking on more debt for taxpayers to prop up Christchurch City Council.

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  154. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    LRC – you are a Kiwi if you self-identify as one. A bit like being Maori, but with less social cachet among the latte-drinking set.

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  155. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    That’s one place I came from nasska

    Swapping a Bradford accent for a strain of Kiwi accent – you wouldn’t care about that – hahaha Pam Corkese excluded.

    Whenever I see square peg in a round hole now I think of a round knob in a square hole getting off. Random.

    As long as you don’t end up stumped like this old fella

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  156. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    mikenmild – yeah that’s probably about it. I don’t ‘self-identify’ as one. I am one. I don’t think I’ve got a choice in the matter.

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  157. Manolo (13,780 comments) says:

    The effeminate Lynn Prentice, the queen who rules The sub-Standard, is pretty vicious.
    Dear, oh dear. Too many meetings with Carter, Chauvel and Hughes have hardened that “man” from the Left.

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  158. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    LRC – you are a Kiwi if you self-identify as one.

    I used to laugh when people asked my Chinese girlfriend where she was from and she would reply Flat Bush :)

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  159. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    Kea – I’ve have the opposite happen – where do you come from ? And they answer with their country. I meant which suburb ffs

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  160. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    OH NO. UGLY WAS RIGHT !!!!

    DAMMING evidence has emerged SUPPORTING Ugly’s claim that Zionists hijaked MH370 and are holding the ASIAN passengers.

    THIS JUST IN !!!!!!!!

    Rice buying time for Zionists

    http://edition.presstv.ir/detail/54391.html

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  161. Don the Kiwi (1,757 comments) says:

    Sounds like Kea is admitting being a lesbian ;-)

    Or maybe he/she really is a bloke. :-)

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  162. nasska (11,520 comments) says:

    I see Saudi Arabia has a new website that allows citizens to send complaints directly to the king.

    If needed, you can even submit a second complaint using your remaining hand.

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  163. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    LRC, I remember one night this silly blonde asking an Asian friend how she was enjoying her holiday ?. She said she has lived here 23 years. She had just knocked off work and we were having a drink. The blonde then asked her where she was going next ? My friend said home. So the blonde asked where home was ? My friend said the street name. It carried on like this for some time. The blonde could not get it through her head my Asian friend had lived here about as long as her.

    We had a great laugh about it :)

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  164. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Don the Kiwi, you try dating an attractive spoiled Chinese dragon and you might see same sex unions in a different light ;)

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  165. nasska (11,520 comments) says:

    Kea

    As a church Deacon, Don’s thoughts are confined to matters of the spirit. :)

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  166. Don the Kiwi (1,757 comments) says:

    Good one Kea. :-)

    My dating days are long over – SWAMBO – she who always must be obeyed, my wife for 46 years is still the only woman I date.

    But you phrased your answer very well. :-)

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  167. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    nasska at 5:44 pm – Not commenting at The Standard either, just very very occasionally taking a glance, then remembering why I stopped reading it.

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  168. Don the Kiwi (1,757 comments) says:

    nasska.

    :-)

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  169. Pete George (23,567 comments) says:

    Latest Roy Morgan is bad for National and still not flash for Labour.

    National 42.5% (down 6)
    Labour 31.0% (up 2.5)
    Greens 14.5 (up 3)
    NZ First 6.0% (up 0.5)
    Internet Party 1.5% (up 0.5%)
    Maori Party 1 (unchanged)
    Mana Party 1.0% (unchanged)
    ACT NZ 0.5% ( unchanged)
    United Future 0.5% (up 0.5)

    Conservative Party 0.5% (down 1.5%).

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  170. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Don the Kiwi , she was a major bitch, but I adored her. I don’t regret it.

    Your sharp. I thought that about my answer too ;)

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  171. nasska (11,520 comments) says:

    ….”Conservative Party 0.5% (down 1.5%).”…..

    Oh dear! That’s sad. :)

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  172. Pete George (23,567 comments) says:

    Bad for National, a bit of a bounce back for Labour but still not flash for them. The public don’t seem happy with either, Labour still – 33% has been their highest this year in the first poll of the year, and National again – two polls ago in March they were 43%, then up to 48.5 and now down to 42.5%.

    The smaller parties benefit except for Conservatives.

    It would be interesting if they had an option “Pissed off with all”.

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  173. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    NZ First looking quite good to sweep Winnie back into a good ‘ol snuffle in the trough.

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  174. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    nasska (9,703 comments) says:
    May 7th, 2014 at 8:23 pm
    ….”Conservative Party 0.5% (down 1.5%).”…..

    Oh dear! That’s

    Yeah laugh it up you gorse farming loser. Piss off to bed with your sister. :)

    I am just the vanguard of a political movement that is going to wipe Progressives off the face of the earth. They’ll disappear like the Dodo birds did.

    I am spearheading a force that will grow from hundreds to thousands to millions and you will be gone.

    Redbaiter KB 2013

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  175. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Who’s up for a National/NZ First/Act/United Future/Conservatives coalition?

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  176. nasska (11,520 comments) says:

    While he’s pissing around tweeting with Justin Bieber the political scene is going to hell in a handcart Kea. :)

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  177. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    Pete – that poll is of 847 people. Who might or might not vote. Or might change their mind. Are they registered to vote ?

    A lot of votes change closer to election time.

    It’s a very small sample. Millions of votes are cast. At best it tells you lots of people vote blue / red/ green / black but apart from that can you really take it that seriously ?

    You could poll again and again and again with a new set of 847 people and at the margin of the sample the percentages could swing back and forth. That one sample shows that fifty people who said National in the earlier sample didn’t say National in the latest sample. Fifty. Can you extrapolate fifty from the sample to thousands across the country ? Maybe. Maybe not.

    It’s called statistics buddy. 43 / 48 / 42 swings – most likely due to small sample size rather than genuine swings of preference.

    Totally useless for predicting support for small parties like Conservatives. Down 1.5% to 0.5% ? Have to allow for sample margin of error – wow – stats is coming back to me. If you don’t understand any of this then you’re really just talking scroll my friend. I don’t know much in life but I did pass intro stats at Vic.

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  178. stigie (1,192 comments) says:

    Oh dear! That’s sad. :)

    Easy on Nasska, dont want Reddy back to give you a hard time about your sister.

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  179. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    Kea – he really made your day with that spoofy spiffy quote eh ? I laugh every time you quote it – it’s funny by itself but also hilarious how it grabbed you too and frequently re-quoted due to its remarkable oratory appeal. It’s a keeper for sure.

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  180. Pete George (23,567 comments) says:

    At The Standard Greg was quick to suggest I didn’t understand MMP. So I posted these equations.

    Labour 31 to Green+NZ First+Mana 21.5
    If you add Internet Party that’s 31 to 24.

    He must be still trying to understand what that means.

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  181. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    haha – kea that’s just mentally retarded. Did she mention Barraco Barner at all ?

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  182. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    nasska, Red claims he left because KB no longer had people of influence, so presumably Twitters school girls are now the ones holding the power. The guy is not only a deluded money grubbing monster, he is also a snob. He frequently berates those who are in blue collar jobs as losers, including farmers. Even though farming and primary industry are our biggest earners by a huge margin !

    He is so far up his own arse he has lost all humanity and few have done more to repel people from the right. He should fuck off to Singapore. We don’t look down our nose at the common folk here in NZ. Especially those who are good honest workers. He is so far up himself he actually hallucinates his type may have a following. To borrow a phrase from the other night ” He is right of Vlad the Impaler”

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  183. nasska (11,520 comments) says:

    For real crap & pathos laid on with a trowel this gem is hard to beat LR&C. :)

    ….” Redbaiter (5,350) Says:
    October 1st, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    RRM we will defeat you because although you are many you are cowardly and demoralised and disunited. We are few, but brave and honourable and united. In twenty to thirty years time NZ will be a Conservative country and Progressivism will be seen for the tragically wrong experiment it was and hopefully never again rise in the West. Already the US and the UK progressive alliances are facing growing resistance like they have never encountered before and it will come here too. The utter inarguable wrongness of Progressivism will ensure it.
    Vote: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 7 “….

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  184. nasska (11,520 comments) says:

    But he does own a V8 Mustang Kea. :)

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  185. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    LRC, I can’t find where he originally emitted that brain fart. I want to issue a collectors edition, with a huge discount for gay beneficiaries especially if they are married and Maori Muslims. ;)

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  186. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    But what’s behind the new, toned down version of Reddy? He’s hardly even laughable now – just sad and pathetic.

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  187. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    Easy on Nasska, dont want Reddy back to give you a hard time about your sister.

    It was like Obi Wan Kenobi and Darth Vader – good clean fun.

    Sometimes it was like a ten on three flamewar. No wait – that was what it was.

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  188. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    Oh dear ……

    http://livenews.co.nz/2014/05/07/labour-greens-45-5-regain-lead-over-national-42-5-as-scandal-engulfs-the-national-party-maurice-williamson-resigns-his-portfolios-and-while-justice-minister-judith-collins-takes-a-few-d/

    I predict a growing tidal wave of electoral opposition to this blatant National Government’s corrupt, corporate cronyism.

    In my considered opinion – this is just the start ……

    With this significant drop in support for National – how long will NZ Prime Minister John Key keep protecting Minister of CORRUPTION (oops! ‘Justice) – the Not-So-Honorable Judith Collins, upon whose watch the UN Convention Against Corruption has yet to be signed?

    Layer upon layer of this giant corrupt corporate onion are unpeeling – and the public are apparently getting it, and not liking it.

    To help fix this problem and get a legislative framework for GENUINE ‘open, transparent and accountable’ local and central government and judiciary – try this:

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ANTI-CORRUPTION-WHITE-COLLAR-CRIME-CORPORATE-WELFARE-ACTION-PLAN-Ak-Mayoral-campaign-19-July-2013-2.pdf

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  189. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    nasska, yes the V8 was chosen over the girly 911 has he imagined it would, piss us losers off the most.

    That quote is another classic that keeps getting funnier as the conservatives remain statistically invisible :)

    He would still hang out here if you had not been so hard on him. He was not very bright and I think he felt a bit intimidated by you. He was clearly jealous of your sister too.

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  190. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    kea 9:07 – preaching to the choir – he was unintentionally hilarious entertainment though. The insults were top shelf.

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  191. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    The 1%ers are going to get ya house mate and then you really will need the tent option :)

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  192. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    LRC what is your 9:07 pm about ? You lost me …

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  193. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Penny, get a boyfriend dear.

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  194. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    LRC, she is a 1%er. Losing her house would be the best thing that could ever happen to Penny, it would make her authentic.

    Edit: I should have said it would lend her some authenticity. It won’t make her authentic, she’ll still be an attention seeker searching for a pulpit.

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  195. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    kea 9:20pm – 9:07 = in reply to kea comment 9:07pm. What a boring post this is – fuckin hell

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  196. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    LRC, I followed your link. Read this and vomit freely at the “victim” language because the brainless bimbo was held to account !

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2575436/Dumb-Britain-Beautician-laughs-Twitter-storm-mistakenly-spelling-Barack-Obama-Barraco-Barner-sparks-inevitable-parody-accounts.html

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  197. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    Reddy was what he was but it’s the internet. You’re not really shocked or anything eh ? The good the bad and the ugly. Shit – he had a ton of support on here. I’m surprised he threw it in.

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  198. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    LRC, I used to vote him up but not tell him ;)

    I put it down to the thousand monkeys with typewriters syndrome.

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  199. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    This is how I found that story

    Oh well – there’s always one and the power of the net to find them is genius.

    People are really fucking nasty online. I have been. It’s a good point.

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  200. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    LRC, public comment on the net is not a thing for the faint hearted. The greatest thing about the net is freedom of expression. The one thing women hate more than anything as they regard their egos as more important than ideas.

    Remember that woman gets to vote !

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  201. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    This is public. How many people will see this post ? Fuck all. And yet there’s 100s of millions of internet users.

    It’s got to go viral so that you can’t miss it. It’s not far fetched – some people are thick – so what ? Not doing anything for stereotypes but then they exist for a reason. Wow – thick people use the net. Big whoop.

    Something unusual or rare captured and unleashed – that’s the internet at its best.

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  202. lilman (959 comments) says:

    Pay up Penny,come on pay up,maybe Ugly will give you a loan.

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  203. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    He’s posting occasionally but he’s not really ‘here’. That’s what it is. Not emotionally invested anymore

    He said he wasn’t coming back . . . but the occasional rare post – well – that doesn’t count now, does it ? Nah

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  204. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    “The tide wouldn’t take them two out”

    My kind of bouncers describing turned away young women on TV3….um….. called ‘Bouncers’ funnily enough.

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  205. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    What’s funny about today’s poll is that were an election held today National would have to pray that Winston got in and would support them on confidence and supply.

    If NZF did not get in, Labour, Greens, Mana would likely have a simple majority.

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  206. Manolo (13,780 comments) says:

    Socialists and communists are up: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8841431/nats-lose-support-in-latest-poll

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