Labour now joins NZ First as being anti-immigration

May 1st, 2014 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

At first claimed they were just against foreign investment, but now they’ve gone further and are against foreigners coming here.

3 News reports:

The fine print in Labour’s plan to make mortgages cheaper contains a political bombshell.

Labour wants to stop some immigrants coming into New Zealand because they are pushing up house prices in Auckland.

In the overheated Auckland housing market, Labour already wants to ban foreign buyers. But now it wants to go further and ban some at the border, cutting back numbers.

I wonder what Rajen Prasad and Raymond Huo think about Labour’s new policy to reduce immigration.

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97 Responses to “Labour now joins NZ First as being anti-immigration”

  1. dog_eat_dog (787 comments) says:

    Is this on the same ‘evidence-based’ approach they want us to embrace climate change on?

    If so, where is the evidence migrants are pushing up house prices?

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  2. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ dog_eat_dog (689 comments) says:
    May 1st, 2014 at 9:02 am

    Try attending a few Auckland auctions and you will find the answer to that one.

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  3. Kea (13,571 comments) says:

    RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCISSSSSSSSSSSSSST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    [Gasp !!!]

    RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACIST !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Nazi hate crime White supremacists !!!! :)

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  4. jcuk (757 comments) says:

    Or see who is wandering around the higher priced car yards ………

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  5. Kea (13,571 comments) says:

    Judith, and tell you what else !. Those puppy eating godless yellow commie heathens don’t love baby Geeeeesus either.

    Will someone please think of the children ? :)

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  6. dog_eat_dog (787 comments) says:

    Judith, I don’t think you understand what evidence is.

    Actual reports, statistics, data. Not anecdotes reinforcing someone’s prejudices.

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  7. Tinshed (170 comments) says:

    The Labour Party, as is so often the case these days, is on the wrong side of what is happening in New Zealand. According to Statistics New Zealand:

    New Zealand’s Asian population is projected to reach 790,000 by 2026, an increase of 390,000 (3.4 percent a year) over the 2006 estimate of 400,000.

    Most of that growth will be in Auckland. Which city is the most important politically in New Zealand? Auckland. As the Asian population continues to grow they will be attracted to those political parties that accept diversity, want economic growth and accept and welcome them and their families as new migrants. Which party fits that criteria the best? Not Labour, not New Zealand First, not the Greens.

    In my view there is a huge political opportunity here for National and I am sure they are exploiting it already. I repeat what I said in an earlier comment: New Zealand is passing Labour by.

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  8. mikemikemikemike (334 comments) says:

    The answer here is fairly simple I would have thought – provide large incentives to businesses who set up shop outside of Auckland and grow those centres. Auckland is overpriced because there is nothing anywhere else.

    My wife and I are going to give up Auckland soon – My work is such that I don’t need an office (I mostly work from home), so we will probably head to Cambridge so the kids can have some space and we can be near the great new sports facilities that are opening around there.

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  9. EAD (1,452 comments) says:

    Rather than have an emotionally loaded debate like DPF wants to do judging by his last sentence, how about we debate on real facts and consequences?

    How much will it cost to increase our now dangerously overloaded infrastructure to cope with more immigrants? It’s a fact that most immigration is concentrated on the most densely populated part of the nation. In truth the massive increase in immigration has only recently seen any attempt to increase the infrastructure to deal with the consequences – such as the expansion of school places. I have a question you might wish to address. How much do you want your quality of life to diminish because our infrastructure in Auckland is now so badly overloaded? That’s certainly something that many of us already have to address.

    Also while we’re at it, let’s have an open debate about whether state enforced “multiculturalism” is a good policy. Is it good to have a society in which we are told to define ourselves by something outside our control and have access to government privileges depending on what group you are in? Is a good society one in which we have nothing in common and are instructed NOT to seek common ground through, customs, language, history & traditions?

    Of course, the MSM wouldn’t do that as of course, they like to pretend that there is a huge and dramatic battle going on between the main parties because if they actually admitted they truly are all the same, following broadly the same agenda and they wouldn’t have anything to write about.

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  10. Kea (13,571 comments) says:

    Rather than have an emotionally loaded debate like DPF wants to do judging by his last sentence, how about we debate on real facts and consequences?

    Nah lets not :)

    Labour are attacking a huge (and growing) part of the voting public with this racist tirade of hate. They are specifically targeting Asians who come here to work hard and contribute.

    I thought we had moved on from this. It is not the 1800’s Labour. What next ? “NO CHINESE or DOGS” signs outside public bars ?

    I am so sickened by this racism I want to vomit ! :)

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  11. mikemikemikemike (334 comments) says:

    “Labour are attacking a huge (and growing) part of the voting public with this racist tirade of hate. They are specifically targeting Asians who come here to work hard and contribute.”

    You mean sell drugs, corrupt our politicians, launder money through our casinos, and bleed our countries welfare/pension system dry? Not to mention put womens rights back 150 or so years. But I guess its not violent crime and they aren’t technically brown so I suppose it doesn’t count

    Sounds great – sign me up.

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  12. dishy (248 comments) says:

    So let’s ban immigration to Auckland, because it allegedly pushes up house prices, but let’s not ban it for (say) Christchurch, where it might help with skill shortages, then let’s ban migration from elsewhere in NZ to Auckland (because that pushes up house prices) then let’s celebrate our stupidity.

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  13. Barnsley Bill (848 comments) says:

    Bill Liu.
    Any further comment from any labour supporter should be met with the back of a hand slapping them in their racist corrupt faces.

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  14. thePeoplesFlag (283 comments) says:

    Speaking of migrants, how is that Donghua Liu thing all working out for Maurice Williamson right now?

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  15. Kea (13,571 comments) says:

    mikemikemikemike, with your LABOUR PARTY membership pack did you automatically gain acceptance into the New Zealand National Front & The White Knights of the Aryan Order ?

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  16. Reid (16,719 comments) says:

    Try attending a few Auckland auctions and you will find the answer to that one.

    Judith’s correct. This is what National should have done but they don’t want to offend China. This has the potential to have huge appeal because like Student Loans it appeals not only to the young people locked out but their parents and grandparents as well. It’s Auckland-specific but Akld is the biggest political market and elections are won and lost there.

    But Liarbore apparently still lack any strategic brains whatsoever because they bury this as a detail in another policy, they should have released it with the Immigration policy not the Big Tool policy and shouted it from the rooftops. It undercuts Peters on the immigration issue and it allows them to pretend they really care for their base, who are the most affected by this.

    And dog, you don’t get it: politics is perception. Most Aucklanders in the market over the last few years have seen for themselves exactly what Judith says – that’s powerful and it will win the day over some dry economist’s report any day, which can in any case be countered by another economist who Labour engages to say the exact opposite.

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  17. Tinshed (170 comments) says:

    Is a good society one in which we have nothing in common and are instructed NOT to seek common ground through, customs, language, history & traditions?

    In short, no. You can’t instruct anyone in customs, language, history & traditions. These evolve over long periods without much, if any, conscious direction, let alone instruction.

    All New Zealanders were migrants at one time in our various histories. The New Zealand of today is the product of all those migrations. If you don’t like New Zealand the way it is, you may wish to return to place your forebears came from, wherever that may be.

    Or you could accept and celebrate the way we are, warts and all.

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  18. Kea (13,571 comments) says:

    Barnsley Bill, I am sitting here weeping onto my keyboard at this racist hate speech from LABOUR. Oh the humanity !

    I wonder if we can get them listed as a Hate Group ? :)

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  19. dog_eat_dog (787 comments) says:

    Yes, you’re right, it’s the Yellow Peril that are putting up prices, not the dipshits at the Council with their MUL which HAS been identified to be a major contributor to house values becoming out of reach. I now see the light.

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  20. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    mike: It is a wonder you have not received a panel and paint.

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  21. thePeoplesFlag (283 comments) says:

    I have to agree – I have friends who attended 12 auctions for houses only to each one purchased for well over valuation by non-English speaking Chinese. They managed to get a house on their 13th go, lucky for some I guess. Now here is the rub – they are your typical reasonably reactionary young upwardly mobile national voters who think the poor are bludgers and they’ve got everything they have by their own efforts. And they are disgusted that foreigners can come here with heaps of cheap money and buy houses for no other reason than we let them. For them, it won’t be a vote changer – they are firmly in the “I’m all right jack” brigade – but Labour will get a lot of heads nodding across Auckland with this suggestion.

    I guess that is why you see so much hysteria from National, a party owned lock stock and corrupt barrel by Beijing.

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  22. Kea (13,571 comments) says:

    “Labour wants to stop some immigrants coming into New Zealand because they are pushing up house prices in Auckland.”

    LOL :)

    So Labour want to win votes in Auckland, a city where over 50% of the population was born overseas, by targeting immigrants !

    You are a very very luck man John Key. :)

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  23. band4u (20 comments) says:

    Neither New Zealand First or Labour have ever said the wanted to stop immigration. They are talking about controlled immigration( which is what incidently most other countries practice) i.e. allowing immigrants in who can contribute and add value to New Zealand. Blind Freddy could see that adding an extra 20,000 people to Auckland in one year would create a housing problem and remember this has been going on for years! Add to this there is pressure on schools and pressure on teachers with coping with non english speaking children and also hospitals which are alread failing so many Kiwis.

    In addition over 40% of immigrants were over 50 ( re patriated to be with family). In 10 years…even if they contribte not one cent in taxes they will be eligable fo superannuation. One couple can currently bring in 4 parents. If that is not blind stupidity then ill go fly a kite. It is not racist but common sense!

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  24. Tinshed (170 comments) says:

    I guess that is why you see so much hysteria from National, a party owned lock stock and corrupt barrel by Beijing.

    thePeoplesFlag Do you not see the irony of someone from “the progressives” spouting “chinks under the bed” nonsense? Amazing that such arrant drivel is spouted by your lot. Jeez.

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  25. Tictactoe (32 comments) says:

    People are really thick.

    It is the consequence of living in a large city.

    Would you really expect that houses should be priced the same in Auckland and Dunedin? No.
    If you want cheap affordable housing, live in Dunedin. If you want better pay and big-city living, live in Auckland.

    If you want to buy 2 houses by the age of 25 and have one to rent out, move to the rural American midwest. You can find huge houses that are as cheap as taking a shit there.

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  26. timmydevo (53 comments) says:

    If Chinese are allowed to buy property in NZL, shouldn’t we in turn be able to buy property in China? Seems a bit one sided to me. (I’m also aware of Indonesia not allowing foreign purchase of property, but don’t have time to research other Asian nations.)

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  27. Odakyu-sen (871 comments) says:

    Horray! The socialists have become nationalists as well.

    //

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  28. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ dog_eat_dog (691 comments) says:
    May 1st, 2014 at 9:08 am

    I don’t think you understood what I said – if you attend the auctions, you will see who is bidding, and forcing the prices up – then you will have the first hand evidence of who that is – which will provide the answer if you attend enough of them as to whether the thesis is supported or not.

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  29. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    “bleed our countries welfare/pension system dry? Not to mention put womens rights back 150 or so years.”

    It really takes an impressive level of stupidity and ignorance to make statements like this.

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  30. bc (1,395 comments) says:

    Labour wants to ban immigrants? They have Manolo’s vote :)

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  31. Kea (13,571 comments) says:

    Odakyu-sen, good point.

    Labour is coming for you my wise Eastern friend. I bet you went and bought a house with the sole purpose of undermining all that is decent and good in our society ? Well the game is up ! Labours National Socialist policy with defend the Workers of NZ from the likes of you.

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  32. Tictactoe (32 comments) says:

    Also:

    People who support this sort of idea/policy would balk at the idea of getting less for their house if demand goes down. They want cheaper, bigger houses to buy and move on to, but they also want the new owners to pay through the nose to buy THEIR house

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  33. NK (1,259 comments) says:

    In truth the massive increase in immigration has only recently seen any attempt to increase the infrastructure to deal with the consequences – such as the expansion of school places.

    What massive increase in migration? If you check this graph (http://www.dol.govt.nz/publications/research/migration-trends-1011/large.asp?id=fig3-2) the net change since about 1980 has been marginal.

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  34. Kea (13,571 comments) says:

    Judith @ 9:59, maybe if you put a burning cross on the front lawn it will keep “them” away ? ;)

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  35. NK (1,259 comments) says:

    I don’t think you understood what I said – if you attend the auctions, you will see who is bidding, and forcing the prices up – then you will have the first hand evidence of who that is – which will provide the answer if you attend enough of them as to whether the thesis is supported or not.

    Great for vendors. What’s the problem?

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  36. RightNow (7,015 comments) says:

    Labour only want migrants who will take minimum wage jobs or go on benefits. They’re less likely to buy property and more likely to be stupid enough to vote Labour.

    I can’t see how it’s good for our economy, for one thing it must impact on the international student revenue.

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  37. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Kea (10,802 comments) says:
    May 1st, 2014 at 10:07 am

    I’m not sure who ‘them’ are Kea. I’ve never bothered to attend an auckland auction to find out who is forcing the prices up. My suggestion was merely a hint of a way to find out first hand – rather than listening to the constant gossip.

    Burning white crosses is so ‘yesterday’ – today we don’t burn – air pollution and all that and our front lawns can’t be seen anyway, because we surround ourselves with big fences so the neighbours don’t see in – and catch us doing whatever it is we do – the neighbour is the enemy – especially if they don’t look like us! ;-)

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  38. mikemikemikemike (334 comments) says:

    They come from countries where you have to do anything to get ahead and they do that here because it is all they know. Hell – most immigration advisors will tell their customers about all the benefits they are ‘entitled’ to based on the level of residency they are looking to get.

    If you pull stats for the crimes I suggested above it would be interesting to see how many are committed by groups of people people from those ethnicities (in the same way we analyze violent crime and attribute this to mainly polynesians and maoris).

    And I have stated before on this forum, I am hardly a poster child for racism – I am about as multi-cultural as it gets (my own children are half chinese)

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  39. Odakyu-sen (871 comments) says:

    ” Labours National Socialist policy with defend the Workers of NZ from the likes of you.”

    Damn. I’m screwed. I’ll have to move back to Japan. (Here’s a clip from RT (Russian TV) IN ENGLISH that takes a jaundiced view of the re- re- re-surgence in Japanese Ultra-Nationalism (like regular nationalism, but with more fiber, fruits and nuts). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6ZixuyE1t8

    View and enjoy (but the undercurrent runs deep in Japan…)

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  40. Kea (13,571 comments) says:

    Odakyu-sen, oh okay so you think Labours policy of HATE !!! is justified because some non-whites dare to be proud of their culture and heritage in some other country ? I guess you want to round them all up and put them in camps ?

    You make me VOMIT Herr SS Obergruppenführer Odakyu-sen :)

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  41. Odakyu-sen (871 comments) says:

    “You make me VOMIT Herr SS Obergruppenführer Odakyu-sen”

    Kea, what is that getup you’re wearing?……(peers through the dark to get a better look)..

    OMG!

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  42. Kea (13,571 comments) says:

    mikemikemikemike, if you throw out the people sucking on benefits and comitting crime it will only be the Asians and Indians left behind.

    Just sayin :)

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  43. Kea (13,571 comments) says:

    “Kea, what is that getup you’re wearing? ”

    A simple monks robe to accompany my life of chastity prayer and meditation.

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  44. Psycho Milt (2,427 comments) says:

    Labour … are against foreigners coming here.

    That is a straightforward lie, and you must know it.

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  45. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    So Labour wants the government wants to tune immigration levels to meet needs of economy.

    Moving it up and down as we require, sounds perfectly sensible to me.

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  46. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    A lot of recent murders have been Chinese on Chinese.

    A lot of so called legal high shops seem to be run by them.

    A shit load of meth precursor stuff comes from there.

    This thing about being so law abiding is another myth.

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  47. Kea (13,571 comments) says:

    katie, then vote Labour. They are your kind of people.

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  48. Hutty (1 comment) says:

    Perosnally, I would rather have skilled migrants come to NZ, who will integrate well into society and be net taxpayers rather than people stuck with an entitlement attitude which a lot of Kiwis ultimately have with housing. Young people especially, need to lower the first house expectations and work their way up the property ladder. I’d rather put my cash in the stock market

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  49. NK (1,259 comments) says:

    A lot of recent murders have been Chinese on Chinese.

    A lot of so called legal high shops seem to be run by them.

    A shit load of meth precursor stuff comes from there.

    This thing about being so law abiding is another myth.

    A lot of Kiwiblog commenters write a bunch of crap.

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  50. Harriet (5,201 comments) says:

    Working kiwis should be able to afford houses – it’s why you go to work!!!

    Housing unaffordability is because supply and demand at the lower end of the housing market is outer of kilter. Not at the top end.

    By stopping those from entering the country who have low or no skills is what will help fix the problem.

    NZ can train young people to be painters and drain layers – rather than allowing foreign painters and plumbers to enter the county enmass and work in CH-CH and elsewhere.

    Or expalin then why so many ‘foreign speaking’ people are painting houses in CH-CH ?

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  51. seanmaitland (501 comments) says:

    @Judith – we bought in Auckland in 2013 and at all the auctions we went to it was a sea of white people bidding, with the odd Asian – mostly of Indian descent. We went to quite a few auctions in Central, West and South Auckland.

    Have you actually bought property in Auckland in the last two years or are you just being a dick?

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  52. hannity (152 comments) says:

    ‘But Liarbore apparently still lack any strategic brains whatsoever because they bury this as a detail in another policy,’

    But the clever Media and Jason Eade – sniffed it out .

    Hook line and sinker.

    Never mind – Key has Colin Craigs phone number.

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  53. DJP6-25 (1,390 comments) says:

    EAD 9.18 AM. The left only oppose racism when it doesn’t suit their purposes. If it does they call it ‘affirmative action’.

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  54. Unity (643 comments) says:

    I agree with Harriett, in that we are letting too many immigrants in who are a drain on the State. We should be more selective and I also agree with those who say we should limit immigration anyway. There aren’t enough jobs for our own people and we should be training them up where at all possible. However, we are short of people to immediately fill certain skilled jobs and have no choice but to look outside our own country.

    As for house prices being out of reach of many, especially first home buyers, we are also letting in too many people at the top end of the scale and these are the ones who are driving house prices and demand up. So it’s a fine line but something needs to be done to curb immigration and the sort of people we allow in. First and foremost, they must fit in with our way of life and not be allowed to change it to what suits them. If they can’t or won’t fit, then this is not the country for them.

    In many countries we are not allowed to purchase property. People who come here from those countries should be subjected to the same restrictions.

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  55. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ seanmaitland (408 comments) says:
    May 1st, 2014 at 11:03 am

    Where have I indicated that I know the results or that I think Asian’s are forcing up the house prices? I think you are being the dick by interpreting my words to mean something other than what I have said.

    I suggested they visit the auctions, as you have done, and then they would find out the truth (meaning, rather than listen to biased reports, they would know exactly what is happening and could draw their opinion from that).

    I really couldn’t care less about Auckland house prices. I sold my last Auckland property almost 20 years ago, (although technically our holiday home is now in the Auckland Council area, so I guess it means I have recently re-emerged as an Auckland house owner).

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  56. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    Chinese immigration…….

    I’d have thought labour would be in favour.

    It’s taken a National cabinet ministers’ scalp.Bwahhahahahaha.

    Hey NK

    Apart from saying my post was a bunch of crap,can you point to anything there that’s not true?

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  57. seanmaitland (501 comments) says:

    @Judith – so you’ve confirmed it – you’re just trolling, and don’t actually have a clue about whether or not Asians push house prices up – as I figured.

    Hows racism working out for you?

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  58. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ seanmaitland (409 comments) says:
    May 1st, 2014 at 11:34 am

    Oh grow up! I was simply suggesting a means for people to find the truth rather than listening to the media’s interpretation of it. IF you see that as trolling, then you have a very serious problem that needs removing.

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  59. NK (1,259 comments) says:

    Hey NK

    Apart from saying my post was a bunch of crap,can you point to anything there that’s not true?

    You made the claims, you can provide the evidence.

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  60. Kea (13,571 comments) says:

    Recent Labour supporter Katie, thinks he is under threat from unemployed violent drug dealing Chinese. He thinks they are lazy.

    How is the weather down there in Gore katie ? :)

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  61. Jim (358 comments) says:

    So, in a moment of rare common sense Labour dropped their racist dog whistle; then some dumbarse TV3 reporter picked it up and started blowing it, not knowing exactly what it was for.

    “There may be a case for varying inward migration and/or work permits,”

    If that is a political bombshell then NZ has turned into a bunch of bedwetters. Regardless of whether it is a good idea, tweaking immigration flow as part of economic policy is not racist.

    And since this all seems to stem from property prices… restricting land ownership to citizens and PRs also isn’t racist, it’s pragmatic. Exactly who would be inconvenienced by such a policy?

    I hope National is listening, because I’ll be damned if I ever vote for Labour, Greens, or Winston.

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  62. RightNow (7,015 comments) says:

    FFS Judith, are you seriously suggesting that “attending a few Auckland auctions” is a reliable means of gathering statistical evidence?
    You’re a numpty.

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  63. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ RightNow (6,363 comments) says:
    May 1st, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    No, I nor the person I was answering mentioned the word ‘statistical’ – I said to gather evidence – which if you are present you would get some idea of who was bidding on what. My comment was to point out the fact that the media reports are not always accurate and often swayed to left or right, so if you want a better picture, go look for yourself.

    I think you are a ‘numpty’ for seeing words that weren’t written – perhaps new glasses?

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  64. RightNow (7,015 comments) says:

    You’re dancing on the head of a pin Judith. Do you understand what an ‘evidence based’ approach is?

    Numpty.

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  65. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ RightNow (6,364 comments) says:
    May 1st, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    I do understand totally – and participation observation is a recognised form of evidence gathering.
    So, who is a numpty now – numpty?

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  66. RightNow (7,015 comments) says:

    Do you even have any idea what percentage of sales are transacted through auctions?
    Numpty.

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  67. OneTrack (3,372 comments) says:

    Judith – “Try attending a few Auckland auctions and you will find the answer to that one”.

    How did you know they were immigrants – because of their slinty eyes? Or because they “didn’t look like us”?

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  68. Unity (643 comments) says:

    For goodness sake, people, Judith was only making a very valid comment – not a hard and fast statistical statement that needs to be dissected and verified down to the nth degree. I do agree with her that if you go along to some of these auctions in Auckland you will see very clearly who is bidding and it might just open your eyes as to what the problem is.

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  69. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Numpty

    Couldn’t find figures for this year – but this should answer your question if you were talking to me

    “Sales by auction grew by 68% during 2012, with sales by auction growing by 87% in Auckland and by one third across the rest of the country..37.4% of all dwelling sales in Auckland were by this method…”. (so its significant enough to gain some evidential understanding)

    https://www.reinz.co.nz/reinz/public/residential-news/archived-residential-reports.cfm?obj_uuid=26A6828C-093E-56F6-EF72-E4334275CA0C

    @ One Track

    Where did I say that there was anything other than people at auctions – please point out where I stated there were ‘asians’, ‘mongolians’, ‘americans’ or anything other than ‘attend the auction to get the answer’ – the answer which could have been anything – however, generally people that speak with strong foreign accents tend not to have been born in this country- just as a hint, although that is not always the case either.

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  70. Kea (13,571 comments) says:

    Will somebody pleeeease think of the children !

    She is coming for you katie :)

    http://www.imgion.com/cute-asian-baby/

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  71. mikemikemikemike (334 comments) says:

    Well – I’m loving the fact that my earlier comments about corrupting politicians are not being responded to after a certain announcement 20 minutes ago :D

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  72. Unity (643 comments) says:

    Not a nice comment, OneTrack and rather racist if you ask me. What about accents? They can be dead giveaways.

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  73. OneTrack (3,372 comments) says:

    Unity – If you cant tell sarcasm, I cant help you.

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  74. Kea (13,571 comments) says:

    generally people that speak with strong foreign accents tend not to have been born in this country

    You mean like those pommy fellas bro ?

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  75. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Kea (10,819 comments) says:
    May 1st, 2014 at 12:43 pm

    Yep, them too – although as a child with an English Grandfather, I used to speak like a POM apparently – so its not always the case – as I pointed out.

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  76. Kea (13,571 comments) says:

    Judith, I understand the property prices were pretty low in Auckland until those immigrants came. You could pick up a good chunk of land for a blanket and a rusty gun.

    Shows you the harm immigration does to culture.

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  77. NK (1,259 comments) says:

    I do agree with her that if you go along to some of these auctions in Auckland you will see very clearly who is bidding and it might just open your eyes as to what the problem is.

    The problem? You mean that Chinese and Asians in general are wealthier than Keewees? Why is that “a problem”.

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  78. NK (1,259 comments) says:

    Judith, I understand the property prices were pretty low in Auckland until those immigrants came. You could pick up a good chunk of land for a blanket and a rusty gun.

    Shows you the harm immigration does to culture.

    More ill-informed nonsense.

    Immigration affects the demand side of the equation, as does “cheap” money. But if you look at the graphs, net migration to NZ has been nominal for 20-30 years (on balance). We were losing 20,000 per year, mainly to Australia, and gaining about the same through immigration, until about 2010/11 when the net positive increased a little, which has remained in the last couple of years.

    The supply side of the equation however, has got worse and worse since the RMA came into effect in 1991. That is mainly the problem, along with councils controlling the supply of land, particularly in Auckland.

    Another major issue is school zoning. House prices in good school zones (Auckland Grammar, Westlake Boys etc) have skyrocketed and that’s got a little to do with immigration, but mostly again it’s caused by government policy that politicians cannot now change/unwind.

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  79. Kea (13,571 comments) says:

    Don’t worry Aryans. Labour will save you from this !

    https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_Z3MRDEWbR9EP8woQTvm4yKvcdAIp_NXSkUWB0OBYfTiQScccTg

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  80. Engineer (75 comments) says:

    Technically there is nothing racist about being anti-immigration, although nti-immigration feeling is often racially driven. And Labour have not said they are anti-immigration, they perhaps simply want to reduce the numbers.

    So I don’t think there is any problem for Mr Huo or Mr Prasad, anymore than there would be for say a Labour party member originally from say South Africa or the United Kingdom —after all Labour has not said they favour a racially selective (or exclusive) policy.

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  81. RightNow (7,015 comments) says:

    Haha Judith, since you’re continuing your practice of trying to weasel out of owning up to making another incompetent argument (which I suppose is a step up from the lying you got caught out on in the PGF thread: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/03/pgf_loses_contract_to_salvation_army.html#comments) I’ll debate your proposition:

    The question asked was:

    Is this on the same ‘evidence-based’ approach they want us to embrace climate change on?

    If so, where is the evidence migrants are pushing up house prices?

    Your response (i.e. your proposition):

    Try attending a few Auckland auctions and you will find the answer to that one.

    There are a number of inferences that could be drawn from your answer, but let’s assume your intentions were honest (could happen) and that you were actually suggesting you could gather enough evidence to determine if migrants were pushing up house prices by attending a few auctions in Auckland.
    The first problem is how many auctions would you need to attend to gather a large enough sample? This dovetails into the question of what percentage of sales are transacted via auctions – and the best data you’ve got so far is 37.4% . So even if you attended ALL the Auckland auctions you’re still nine the wiser with regard to the other 62.6% of house sales.
    Then what do you look for at those auctions – how do you ascertain the immigration status of those bidding?
    Then how do you define whether they’re pushing up house prices? By definition if they make a single bid they’re pushing up the house price. But also by definition any NZ citizen who makes a bid is also pushing up the house price.

    So as you can see, you’re a numpty.

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  82. Kea (13,571 comments) says:

    Along with new policy Labour announced their new immigration minister:

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-2008-0276%2C_Hans_Heinrich_Lammers.jpg

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  83. Engineer (75 comments) says:

    A lot of recent murders have been Chinese on Chinese.

    A lot of so called legal high shops seem to be run by them.

    A shit load of meth precursor stuff comes from there.

    This thing about being so law abiding is another myth.

    The Asian murder rate and violent crime rate in New Zealand is about 1/3 to 1/4 that of the European rate. This is similar to Asian crime rates in other Western countries.

    The sex crime rate is virtually zero.

    Hong Kong has one of the lowest murder rates in the world – 0.2 per 100,000 people in the last 16 years – New Zealand’s is about 4 times as high.

    The streets of virtually any East Asian city are safer than Western cities, and women feel safe in using public transportation in the middle of the night, unlike say in London or Paris, or even Auckland.

    So yes, the Chinese, relatively speaking, are very law abiding.

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  84. seanmaitland (501 comments) says:

    @Judith -as RightNow so eloquently pointed out, you made a racist, uninformed comment, based on not even having gone to an auction in Auckland.

    And your only defence was to post a link about the rise in auction sales of houses.

    Your squirming is hilarious. People find it far more endearing if people own up to being completely wrong, instead of lying to get out of it.

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  85. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ seanmaitland (411 comments) says:
    May 1st, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    Please explain how this comment is racist –

    ” Try attending a few Auckland auctions and you will find the answer to that one ”

    Did I indicate what the answer would be?
    Did I take any side in the argument?
    Did I mention anything that would make someone (unless they had a pre-prescribed agenda) think anything belittling about any specific race, ethnic group or like wise?

    When you can show me where in that statement it answers any of those questions with an affirmative, then I will accept what you say. If not, then I cannot be responsible for how your mind decides to take a bland statement – that sir, is your problem for seeing racism everywhere you look.

    And secondly, I never said I haven’t attended an Auckland auction, just that “I’ve never bothered to attend an auckland auction to find out who is forcing the prices up” – I have however attended them for other reasons, e.g. daughter purchasing a house.

    I suggest you actually give up trying to read between the lines – unless you can do so with a less biased mind.

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  86. RightNow (7,015 comments) says:

    Squirmy

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  87. Unity (643 comments) says:

    seanmaitland and others, you really seem to be putting words into Judith’s mouth. I have found her comments very mild but she has given you something to ponder. It’s just that you are jumping to the wrong conclusions and making out she is saying something she isn’t saying at all. Let’s keep it real.

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  88. RightNow (7,015 comments) says:

    Just for the record, I haven’t accused Judith (or the comment she made) of being racist. A numpty, yes, but not a racist numpty.

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  89. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    Anyway, plenty of immigrants aren’t asian, in fact India and China combined comprise for only 28% of new migrants into NZ (latest figures avail)

    Numbers from “white” countries like UK, Ireland, US, Germany, South Africa far surpass them.

    Are Labour being anti white ?

    There’s been some crap on here recently, but this takes the biscuit.

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  90. Bob R (1,421 comments) says:

    ***Labour wants to stop some immigrants coming into New Zealand because they are pushing up house prices in Auckland.***

    Not sure why this is so surprising. Coleman’s Reserve Bank discussion paper in 2007 showed net increases in population via immigration drive up house prices.

    “It shows that a net immigration flow equal to one percent of the
    population is associated with an approximately 10 percent increase in house
    prices. This size of this relationship, which has existed since the 1960s, is an
    order of magnitude larger than would be expected from the average change
    in the population and house prices in the long term.”

    http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/research_and_publications/discussion…/dp07_12.pdf‎

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  91. wiseowl (979 comments) says:

    The anti immigration headline is actually unacceptable .
    There needs to be a healthy debate on immigration if no more than because of JK waxing lyrical about how we need more immigrants when we as kiwis have never been consulted on the issue of mass immigration.

    Sure there is the ChCh rebuild but other arguments are spurious.other than computer nerds and milking hands ,where the hell is the demand .Pommie OSH experts?

    Where are kiwis not able to fill the void?

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  92. Unity (643 comments) says:

    Exactly, wiseowl. We certainly need that debate and we need a Prime Minister who will listen to what the people want instead of thinking he knows what’s better for us than we do. Many New Zealanders could fill the jobs immigrants take. As it is we do have a shortage of jobs.

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  93. hj (7,171 comments) says:

    Reserve Bank of New Zealand Slams Population Ponzi
    http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2014/04/rbnz-slams-the-population-ponzi/
    Singapore’s Population Bubble
    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2013-02-14/ponzi-schemes-built-on-people-always-crash-too

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  94. hj (7,171 comments) says:

    What have 20 years of population growth done for us?

    When New Zealand moved to increase the numbers and skills of immigrants in the 1980s
    and 1990s, policymakers appear to have considered that these changes had the potential
    to have major beneficial impacts on the New Zealand economy, reinforcing the gains from
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    the other liberalising and deregulating economic reforms undertaken during that period.
    At that time, it was considered that skills-focused inward migration could: improve growth
    by bringing in better quality human capital and addressing skills shortages; improve
    international connections and boost trade; help mitigate the effects of population ageing;
    and have beneficial effects on fiscal balance. As well as “replacing” departing
    New Zealanders and providing particular help with staffing public services (for example,
    medical professionals), it was believed that migration flows could be managed so as to
    avoid possible detrimental effects (such as congestion or poorer economic prospects) for
    existing New Zealanders.

    Since then, New Zealand has had substantial gross and net immigration, which has been
    relatively skill-focused by international standards. However, New Zealand’s economic
    performance has not been transformed. Growth in GDP per capita has been relatively
    lacklustre, with no progress in closing income gaps with the rest of the advanced world,
    and productivity performance has been poor. It may be that initial expectations about the
    potential positive net benefits of immigration were too high.

    Based on a large body of new research evidence and practical experience, the consensus
    among policymakers now is that other factors are more important for per capita growth
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    and productivity than migration and population growth. CGE modelling exercises for
    Australia and New Zealand have been influential in reshaping expectations.

    http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/research-policy/wp/2014/14-10

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  95. hj (7,171 comments) says:

    NK (939 comments) says:
    “More ill-informed nonsense.

    Immigration affects the demand side of the equation, as does “cheap” money. But if you look at the graphs, net migration to NZ has been nominal for 20-30 years (on balance). We were losing 20,000 per year, mainly to Australia, and gaining about the same through immigration, until about 2010/11 when the net positive increased a little, which has remained in the last couple of years. ”
    ……..

    Executive Summary
    Relative to other OECD countries, New Zealand has high rates of population inflow and
    outflow. These are related: there has been a deliberate policy choice since the early
    1990s to more than replace departing New Zealanders with immigrants. Significant
    benefits were anticipated from increasing the number and quality of people working within
    New Zealand’s reformed economy and institutions.

    http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/research-policy/wp/2014/14-10
    Migration and Macroeconomic
    Performance in New Zealand:
    Theory and Evidence
    Julie Fry
    New Zealand Treasury Working Paper 14/10

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  96. Scott1 (592 comments) says:

    At a practical level NZ seems to have some fairly silly ideas in regard to immigration.
    We seem to think that fruit picking, Thai massage and Asian chefs are in demand skills, then when they turn up we pay them $50 a day (for 10 hrs) or enslave them.

    Anyway in the big picture – Immigration is another tool like monetary policy that one manages in order to achieve the results one wants to achieve and I suggest we aren’t currently doing a very good job of that.

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  97. Unity (643 comments) says:

    Especially with fruit picking, couldn’t they send some of our dole bludgers out to do this work, or are the slave wages more appealing, and the only ones who would do this work are immigrants from poor countries. We need to start thinking whether or not a New Zealander could do a job before we import immigrants to do this work. One idea is that perhaps WINZ could top up the poor wages. This would give the person on the dole a bit of a work ethic (which they seem to be lacking), improve their self esteem as surely they would feel much better in themselves by doing something useful and physical than sitting around and all too often getting into other nefarious things through boredom.

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