Mana claims they have a secret deal with Labour in Te Tai Tokerau

July 31st, 2014 at 2:00 pm by David Farrar

3 News reports:

Internet candidate says Labour’s done a secret Epsom-style electorate deal with Hone Harawira.

She’s also calling on Labour to do a deal for her – in the Maori seat of Waiariki.

 

Labour is denying the claim however, saying all seat deals are off.

 

Internet Mana is an unusual political beast, but whether you think it’s a roadshow or sideshow – it’s Parliament-bound on Mr Harawira’s coattails.

 

His lieutenant, Ms Sykes, says Labour’s done a deal which will help ensure he wins .

 

“I think it’s already happening there,” says Ms Sykes.”It’s been informally signalled.”

Labour of course are denying it, but maybe someone who lives in Northland could comment on whether there are any or many billboards up for Kelvin Davis?

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46 Responses to “Mana claims they have a secret deal with Labour in Te Tai Tokerau”

  1. burt (7,440 comments) says:

    I await Cunliffe’s apology for bagging National over doing deals.

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  2. geoff3012 (77 comments) says:

    no Minister…….

    NEWSFLASH … LABOUR CONCEDES TE TAI TOKERAU TO HONE
    So much for the hypocritical beating from Labour about National doing ‘deals’ in Epsom and Ohariru (leaving aside the fact that MMP is all about doing deals). It is now clear the Cunliffe and Labour, have done exactly that and conceded Te Tai Tokerau to Hone in a deal that should let the Mana/Internet Party come in with three MPs (based on their current pollling).

    What’s the evidence for that? Well, the Vet and Mrs Vet took a trip up to Kaitaia on Saturday for a meeting of the Far North Vietnam veterans. On the way up we encountered numerous National Party signs; a sad looking half sign promoting Labour’s Northand candidate; two signs from a weird mob called Focus New Zealand (whose leader believes the Reserve Bank is foreign owned … now where have we heard that before?); a heap of signs from Hone (all replete with the Parliamentary logo), but from Kelvin Davis, the Te Tai Tokerau Labour candidate, zip zero nothing, nothing at all.

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  3. PaulL (5,452 comments) says:

    If they did a deal, they did it incompetently. I think Kelvin Davis is out of parliament if he doesn’t win the seat, so any deal doesn’t include him. At least National were capable of working out that would be a problem for them, and give their candidates winnable list places.

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  4. dirty harry (530 comments) says:

    Its not a fucking card game .Just the thought of that cunt Sykes in parliament gives me the screaming shits.

    Wheres her husband..chainsaw mike smith , he’s gone very quiet of late.

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  5. Pete George (23,836 comments) says:

    Kelvin Davis also strongly denies it, I asked him yesterday when he was putting up his hoardings and he replied:

    Of course I’m going out to win it, as I’ve told you a dozen times already. No one has approached me to do any shonky deal.

    There’s been some reports of very few hoardings going up – Cunliffe lying about electorate deals?

    Kelvin had a response to that too – “That is a pure beat up. Im out to win the seat”.

    The proof will be in the campaigning.

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  6. Tarquin North (405 comments) says:

    Haven’t seen any kelvin Davis billboards around here (south Whangarei) so far. If Labour don’t fight for this seat they should be shot. Hone is just an egotistical scumbag who only cares about his own family and does what mum tells him to do. If he gets in again he will be condemning his constituants to 3 more years of no representation while he swans around big noting and radicalising the young. Is this what Labour wants?

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  7. Hamish_NZ (46 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t take Sykes at her word. She has been caught out in Rotorua claiming Cliff Curtis was supporting Internet-Mana, when he wasn’t and had to make it clear to the media he wasn’t subsequently.

    So I think perhaps this is a case of her wishful thinking again.

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  8. Rex Widerstrom (5,013 comments) says:

    maybe someone who lives in Northland could comment on whether there are any or many billboards up for Kelvin Davis?

    Maybe someone who lives in Ohariu could comment on whether there are any or many billboards up for Brett Hudson?

    @geoff3012

    (leaving aside the fact that MMP is all about doing deals)

    MMP is about maximising your party vote. Beyond that, it’s whatever you make of it. If you want to prostitute your party to a man who stands only for his own sinecure at the taxpayer-provided buffet, that’s entirely up to you (not you geoff3012, obviously).

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  9. ROJ (125 comments) says:

    Of course he’s working hard to retain the seat.

    Its just very hard to get many signs up when no-one else is helping …

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  10. Pete George (23,836 comments) says:

    Rex – the (big) difference is that Key and National have made their intentions clear about Ohariu and Epsom. It’s an open assist.

    Cunliffe keeps strongly denying Labour will do any electorate deals. Davis keeps strongly claiming he is fighting for Te Tai Tokerau – and if he doesn’t win it he risks repeating 2011 and missing out on the list.

    But there are claims there is no sign Davis is practising what he’s preaching in the electorate.

    Sykes may well be wishful thinking, and Davis may be strategically timing putting up his hoardings. Or someone is fibbing.

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  11. goldnkiwi (1,617 comments) says:

    Perhaps Kelvin Davis needs some financial assistance regarding signage. Wira Gardiner might like to help or some other National pundit.

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  12. Manolo (14,184 comments) says:

    Highly possible, although Silent T will never disclose it. The socialists need Internet-Mana.

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  13. alloytoo (582 comments) says:

    Perhaps Kelvin needs some organisational assistance from National, get some young Nats in there, put up those boardings.

    #Votepositive people.

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  14. Keeping Stock (9,390 comments) says:

    Cunliffe should give an unequivocal, categorical statement that Labour will do no deals with Internet Mana, either before or after the election. He won’t of course, for the reason that Manolo refers to.

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  15. Ross12 (1,489 comments) says:

    Go Kelvin Davis !!! We are relying on him to make sure there is some sanity in Parliament next time –by keeping certain people out , no matter who is the Govt.

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  16. Cunningham (846 comments) says:

    Rex Widerstrom (5,269 comments) says:

    “Maybe someone who lives in Ohariu could comment on whether there are any or many billboards up for Brett Hudson?”

    So what are you trying to say? National have been completely upfront that.

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  17. Pete George (23,836 comments) says:

    The same 3 News item quotes Cunliffe:

    “We are campaigning hard in all seven Maori seats and that includes Waiariki – I can’t be any plainer than that,” says Labour leader David Cunliffe.

    So that must also include Te Tai Tokerau.

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  18. Pete George (23,836 comments) says:

    Another significant difference in Ohariu is that Brett Hudson is pretty much guaranteed to get in on his list placing of 39. According to DPF National only need to get about 42.7% for him to be in.

    That would be a good way for him to get established and experienced as an MP, sitting pretty in Ohariu for when Dunne retires.

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  19. 103PapPap (129 comments) says:

    What I think would be good for National would be for the Maori Party to withdraw its candidate and then let Kelvin Davis have a decent crack at Hone.

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  20. stephen2d (99 comments) says:

    @goldnkiwi: Perhaps Kelvin Davis already received some financial assistance NOT to put his signage?

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  21. Maxx (12 comments) says:

    I don’t know what everyone is complaining about. This is exactly the kind of transparency one would expect from a Labour/Green/ManaIP coalition. Heck, the only open ones would be NZF!

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  22. Tarquin North (405 comments) says:

    Good idea PapPap, if that had happened when Hone caused the original bi-election Kelvin would be where he should be and Hone would no doubt be bludging off some trust we get the pleasure of financing.

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  23. Manolo (14,184 comments) says:

    …sitting pretty in Ohariu for when Dunne retires.

    Can you give us a hint, P.G.? When will the boss call it a day?

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  24. Nukuleka (406 comments) says:

    dirty harry- no need to descend to the non standards of The Standard in personal vilification and vileness. It is possible to make valid criticism of people without resorting to obscenity.

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  25. goldnkiwi (1,617 comments) says:

    I was just thinking that Labour’s coffers are reported as being strained. There was a Labour auction the other day wasn’t there? I think I read that the candidates were sighing with relief that they could support their individual campaigns. Kelvin hasn’t had much time to prepare, Shane having departed so quickly.

    Wira Gardiner seems a good choice as he supported Shane’s leadership aspirations as a Maori and can see a wider picture. I would hope that Shane was supportive also in a wider sense.

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  26. Pete George (23,836 comments) says:

    Manolo – as you’re well aware, no boss involved. Is Christine Rankin your boss? Women working together sort of thing.

    For the last couple of elections Dunne has held of committing his intentions until early in election year. He’s obviously standing this year. This is all public knowledge. I’ve never talked to him about it.

    You could try asking him about what he might do beyond that but if he gets back in my guess is you’ll have to wait for another couple of years or so to find out.

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  27. Rex Widerstrom (5,013 comments) says:

    And in rushes Pete George claiming there’s “a big difference”, and the Kiwiblog cheerleaders line up behind him (for once) because that’s tune they want to hear.

    To suggest that match fixing is somehow honourable because the conspirators are brazen about their actions is a view which is novel, I’ll give it that.

    If Dunne deserves his place at the trough then let him stand against a strong field of candidates from all the other registered parties, and win it fair and square. If he doesn’t, he doesn’t deserve to be there.

    And to the National supporters: Labour have behaved even worse as regards Ohariu. Where previously they put up a strong candidate with a chance of winning (Chauvel) they now seem to have walked off the field entirely, putting up a candidate who doesn’t have a hope of running Dunne a close race. Perhaps Waiariki isn’t the only “off the books” deal Cunliffe has done, and Pete’s poster boy is smugly assured of a Cabinet post regardless of which major party wins.

    Gee, you can’t buy loyalty like that, eh? Oh wait… you can.

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  28. DrDr (113 comments) says:

    Labour needs to win Tai Tokerau, just imagine the flak they will get if they let InternetMana Trainwreck into Parliament. The best way for Kelvin to win is for National supporters to vote tactically and cast their electorate vote for Kelvin. Withdrawing the Maori Party candidate would help but I don’t think they will do that.

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  29. Pete George (23,836 comments) says:

    You’re a bit out of touch Rex. I personally don’t care what happens in Ohariu, and I’m not cheerleading anyone for this election. But Dunne has made it clear (publicly) he can’t/won’t go with Labour unless they change some of their policy positions significantly.

    You’re right that Labour have a novice up against him but they had to find someone to replace Chauvel. And National had to find someone to replace Shanks who quit mid-term.

    And notably Greens also pulled Gareth Hughes from Ohariu and have put in another unknown candidate.

    You can’t blame all of that on Dunne.

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  30. doggone7 (851 comments) says:

    Whether Davis has billboards up in Northland (which is only a part of Tai Tokerau) I do not know.

    What I do know is that it does not matter.

    The publishing of this item, speculation that it is, albeit containing a denial, will signify that what is claimed is true. It is more scuttlebutt
    in the continued campaign of fomenting unhappy politicking.

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  31. Rex Widerstrom (5,013 comments) says:

    I’m far from out of date on Ohariu, Pete… I was recently contracted by a political client to do an analysis of a handful of seats and that was one of them.

    No, I don’t blame Dunne for any of it. I blame the gutless major parties who’ve clearly thrown the race. Thanks for reminding me the Greens are equally guilty this time round.

    Perhaps it’s you who’s forgotten recent history. When I stood against Dunne in 1996 I took great delight in starting off my speeches saying “I agree with the sitting member, who said this of the Prime Minister…” I then read out a quote in which Dunne had said words to the effect that Bolger was a pig-ignorant country hick who wasn’t fit to run a stock and station agents, and that there was no way in hell he’d ever serve under him.

    Then I’d unfurl an enlargement of a Dominion front page of a beaming Dunne sitting at the head of the Cabinet table, literally at Bolger’s right hand, taken mere months after the statement was made… right about when the baubles were piled sufficiently high.

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  32. dirty harry (530 comments) says:

    The puffy hairdo will be back manolo , what else is he going to do? Not much out there for a washed up ex political whore.

    Aw hang on..he could sell real estate.

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  33. Mark (1,502 comments) says:

    Labour wont concede the seat to Hone but it is very unlikely that Labour can win the seat either.

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  34. Pete George (23,836 comments) says:

    Rex, Dunne’s got his pros and cons but note that the 1996 election was 18 years ago and he’s still there, surviving and doing what I’d have thought just about any politician would at least hope to do, have as much influence in Government as possible.

    I know why Shanks got on her pony out of there. Labour don’t exactly have an abundance of fresh talent lining up. I have no idea what Greens are up to, they said Hughes was working on boosting their youth vote but he could have still stood in an electorate. Perhaps Greens though Labour might come up with a competitive campaigner and stood aside, but they don’t seem to really care about electorates. Greens and Turei have strong support in Dunedin North but she’s not interested in competing in the electorate.

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  35. Manolo (14,184 comments) says:

    Dunne’s got his pros and cons but note that the 1996 election was 18 years ago and he’s still there, surviving and doing what I’d have thought just about any politician would at least hope to do…

    Hey, this man P.G. would be make an excellent advocate for Prostitutes Collective!

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  36. Pete George (23,836 comments) says:

    I didn’t know you were looking for an advocate. I’m not interested, not my sort of thing.

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  37. Barnsley Bill (848 comments) says:

    There are no kelvin signs in northland. Nil, zero.
    The lab candidate for northland by comparison has hundreds up.
    They have gifted the seat to the Harawira crime family and fucked Kelvin AGAIN

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  38. James Stephenson (2,268 comments) says:

    To suggest that match fixing is somehow honourable because the conspirators are brazen about their actions is a view which is novel, I’ll give it that.

    Unless John Key has some method of casting those Epsom votes for the residents, it’s not a “fix”. Every party asks their supporters to vote in particular ways and reap the rewards and/or flak that generates.

    The problem is the hypocrisy of Cunliffe apparently wanting to bag National for asking their Epsom supporters to only give them their Party vote (as the Greens do everywhere) whilst pretending not to be doing the same in TTT.

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  39. burt (7,440 comments) says:

    James Stephenson

    As always; It’s different when Labour do it !

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  40. goldnkiwi (1,617 comments) says:

    Not secret anymore lol, surely stating it out loud is counter productive to the original intent?

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  41. Warren Murray (316 comments) says:

    Either Sykes is lying, or Labour is lying.

    Analysis- Some one on the left is lying, shock, horror, how unusual!

    Same dog, same tricks

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  42. doggone7 (851 comments) says:

    Warren Murray

    Why do people get so upset with the thought of politicians of the left lying?

    A check at the copyright office, patents office or wherever will show that while John Key and his Justice Minister and other colleagues, indulge in lying often, none of them have filed papers to give them a mortgage on the art. Their supporters think they own the tactic by dint of the regularity of using it but they are not entitled to exclusive use of it.

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  43. greybeard (63 comments) says:

    Hey you lot: forget all this crap.

    Go and tell all your mates: Party vote for National.
    Then go and tell them again. And again.

    That is the only important issue this year, so disregard all the other other rubbish.

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  44. Shazzadude (531 comments) says:

    “Labour have behaved even worse as regards Ohariu. Where previously they put up a strong candidate with a chance of winning (Chauvel) they now seem to have walked off the field entirely, putting up a candidate who doesn’t have a hope of running Dunne a close race.”

    I think swapping the child-hating homo for a mother with a young family is a good move for Labour in that electorate.

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  45. adze (2,130 comments) says:

    Shazzadude: Wow dude, classy :|

    You realise some homosexual couples have children, right?

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  46. Pete George (23,836 comments) says:

    Regarding Kelvin Davis and hoardings I’ve had a response from Jenny Kirk:

    Its a big electorate and Kel’s hoardings are being put up all over the place as we speak !

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