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August 16, 2007 4:21pm by David Farrar

The new Air New Zealand planes

Now that is what I’d call business premier class 🙂

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GPT

It would be quick although I suspect not much leg room.

Funny picture and deserving of a post but is it just me or has this whole thing been blown out of proportion? Air NZ – a commercial airline (albiet with a shit load of taxpayers cash in it) took a commercial decision to shift people from Australia to NZ and got paid for it. What is the big deal?

Even if you get into the war argument this is the same war that we (rightly) sent engineers to in an effort to rebuild.

There are legitimate points of view as to whether the US-led invasion was a good idea but it is difficult to argue (except, perhaps from a libertarian POV) that buggering off now and leaving Iraq to its own devices is a good idea. Indeed, if anything, the belligrants have an obligation to provide security and attempt to rebuild.

How making Australian troops take another airline and having Air NZ miss out on the cash does anything to assist Iraq is beyond me.

I suspect the hysteronics from the PM reflect the polls more than anything.
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August 16, 2007 4:30pm
sluke

Wow! Another really funny computer manipulated imagine. How witty.
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August 16, 2007 4:31pm
unaha-closp

Yanks don’t let anybody buy F-22s.
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August 16, 2007 4:34pm
insider

GPT – no it’s not just you

Colin espiner has a good blog on it. Basically Labour are embarrassed because anti Iraq war has been so deeply engrained in their fibre, and they were using it to beat up Key, and now their toy has been taken away from them.

The new facts that came out today. Nearly every senior govt defence/intelligence official knew about this becasue it was discussed at teh senior officials defence intelligence committee but apparantly nothing was passed up to any ministerial office. Even DPMC knew.
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August 16, 2007 4:37pm
dad4justice

Look, look, at the sky, at the sky , quick ,quick, said a very excited and proud little Johnny in the playground at school – when he yelled out – my dad is flying that plane to all his school friends .
Then they all went and a free bottle of milk and a bee stung the Prime Munster.
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August 16, 2007 4:39pm
dad4justice

Sorry Fonterra I meant a free bottle milk for all the school children , silly me . Big bucks suck .
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August 16, 2007 4:41pm
unaha-closp

Those cost US$300 million or NZ$500 million (by the end of the week) apiece.
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August 16, 2007 4:43pm
rickyjj

Yeah does anyone know what the deal with the dollar is? I thought it was so high before because our evil socialist government was spending so much money… They haven’t stopped spending in the last week or so have they?
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August 16, 2007 4:50pm
Porcupine

Now even the NBR is openly ridculing the government over this latest debacle.

http://www.nbr.co.nz/search/search_article.asp?id=18773&cid=0&cname=Results

It has useful links to a balanced german article showing the situation in Iraq isn’t all bad
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,499154,00.html

and makes the point that YET AGAIN a public servant is forced to dance the little sidestep.

Honestly its totally ludicrous – this government can’t govern. Are we going to have the first MMP snap election? Bizarre!
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August 16, 2007 4:53pm
TIM BARCLAY

Air New Zealand should be renamed the RNZAF.
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August 16, 2007 4:56pm
peterquixote

so basically U-closp you saying that it will costs farra plenty to fly on this thing, and it really just for for Australian armed forces.
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August 16, 2007 4:57pm
dad4justice

Porc it must stop, the New Zealand voter should demand a snap election , for integrity and our good name . Stop the lies Labour – stand down .
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August 16, 2007 5:01pm
dad4justice

The Rock is playing look at my aeroplane lala….lalala ……I like this aeroplane ……lala ……. rock on lads …….the walls are coming down matey , its my aeroplane ..lala….
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August 16, 2007 5:08pm
Porcupine

You know what she’s holding out for don’t you. She’s 9 months off serving longer than her arch enemy from the university dope den days – Muldoon. She’s probably given up totally on being NZs longest serving prime minister but she still wants that record.

Then she will have several including NZs first ELECTED womin PM, NZ PM at the turn of the Millenium and worst NZ PM ever.

So help me if National give her the governer generalship the streets of NZ will look like the corridors of Guest House Paradiso!
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August 16, 2007 5:08pm
dad4justice

It’s my aeroplane lala….
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August 16, 2007 5:08pm
dad4justice

Johnno votes labour , poor chap . Fly away into the blue sky airway spies lala …. lala ….
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August 16, 2007 5:11pm
Andrew Bannister

Funny picture and deserving of a post but is it just me or has this whole thing been blown out of proportion?

Not just you. I agree, small puff of wind in a very large teacup.
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August 16, 2007 5:13pm
dad4justice

Another one bits the dust as the machine gun opens up lala go freddy another one bits the dust and a …..hey ….lala……..booooommmmm
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August 16, 2007 5:15pm
dad4justice

Bites the dust , silly me , another one bites the dust …..another one gone and a ……
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August 16, 2007 5:16pm
dad4justice

Working class hero – go the Rock – as a working class hero is something to fear , they hurt you at …..blah so you so go f##king crazy you can’t follow the rules …..lala …when they ………………
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August 16, 2007 5:18pm
Porcupine

Yeah lets have an election and lets have another referendum about reducing the number of MPs to 90 – they shafted us on that one too. Who frigin needs them.
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August 16, 2007 5:30pm
Craig Ranapia

Not just you. I agree, small puff of wind in a very large teacup.

Well, from the way Goff, Peters and Clark were carrying on you’d think Air New Zealand was carpet bombing orphanages, and torturing kittens in the galley.

And I think GPT is exactly right – the over-reaction has nothing to do with ‘government policy’, and more with a political strategy that went down the toilet, After all, it’s pretty hard for Phil Goff to post another video on You Tube slagging John Key as a flip-floppy warmonger who’ll have Kiwis coming home in bodybags by morning tea given half the chance… when it’s painfully clear that you’ve got a little Iraq-based credibility problem of your own. And you can’t even get everyone spinning off the same script as efficiently as you used to.

How sad, too bad, never mind. I’m sure Flip-Flop Goff and Witless Peters will get over it – at least until the next crappy poll comes out.
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August 16, 2007 5:39pm
Inventory2

Why did McCully keep asking Peters in the House today to assure the House that no officials in his office knew about this, or briefed him? Three times the question was asked! Does McCully have some inside information. Did he lure Winston to the same place from whence Benson-Pope fell on his sword? Watch this space………..
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August 16, 2007 5:53pm
Paul W

Picture funny, situation silly, this debate inane.
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August 16, 2007 6:03pm
afternoondave

Not since Operation Menu has political subterfuge been used at such a high level. Very Nixonian.
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August 16, 2007 6:08pm
Craig Ranapia

Paul W.:

I’d actually like our Foreign Affairs and Defence Ministers to actually know what the fuck they’re talking about before they open their mouths; it might also be nice if the Prime Minister (who also happens to be Minister responsible for the SIS) at least appeared to be communicating effectively with the Security Committee inside the DPMC.

If you think the display of flat out incompetence at the highest levels of Government is trivial or in any way amusing, well, we’re just going to have to agree to disagree.
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August 16, 2007 6:13pm
Paul W

Craig, I don’t disagree that the situation is quite ridiculous. It is. I’m astounded that a senior bureaucrat could so significantly misjudge the matter – and I’ve not seen the comments of the PM or Foreign Minister – however this discussion here is so ridiculously OTT (even for this blog) that the issue has been lost in the noise generate by D4J and his loony mates.

I thought the picture was bloody funny but! I fly weekly around the eastern states of Australia and would love it if I could book a flight on this thing – whatever it is…
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August 16, 2007 6:25pm
TIM BARCLAY

The was no misjudgment. Peters knew, Clark’s officials knew and she must have known. But the deal is Murdoch takes the blame but he keeps his job. That deal sticks out like dog’s balls. Ministers knew and it only became a problem when the political strategy of trying to bag John Key on Iraq went down the toilet.
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August 16, 2007 6:34pm
GPT

Paul W – it is an F-22 stealth fighter designed to replace the F-15 as a superiority fighter. Has bugger all RCS and can cruise at supersonic speeds (most fighters can only go supersonic on afterburners). It is a very, very sexy piece of kit. Also bloody expensive.

I agree with your comment about blog comments getting a little lost. I am finding it increasingly difficult to sift the wheat from the chaff in comments as one or two people seem to think that a multitude of posts, one-liners and insults is adding to the debate. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and the great thing about blogs is that they get the chance but I would hope that people see it is a privilege rather than an open forum to rant.
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August 16, 2007 7:28pm
PaulL

I want one of those things where people can vote on posts, and those below a usefulness threshold just get hidden. Either that or a “block comments from time wasters” function, where I can choose who I think the time wasters are. Might attract me back to reading the comments.

DPF – early days of the word press system you could go to a page that showed all the threads you had personally commented on. That was kind of cool – any reason you turned it off?
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August 16, 2007 7:39pm
kiwi_donkey

Just to be clear, TVNZ is reporting that

“Staff in the office of the PM and cabinet knew and so did New Zealand’s Middle East diplomats.”

I hope tomorrow’s newspapers headlines are: THE PM’s OFFICE KNEW!
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August 16, 2007 7:51pm
Walsingham

The wheels fell off this govt back in 2005. Looks like the wings have now followed them.

Porcupine: you do realise that NO prime minister has ever been elected in NZ, don’t you? They are COMMISSIONED dear boy, by the Gov-Gen. Thus Clark can’t claim to be the first elected female PM. Pedantic perhaps, but factual nonetheless.
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August 16, 2007 8:11pm
David Farrar

PaulL – I didn’t.
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August 16, 2007 8:13pm
Porcupine

This farce just gets worse and worse.Now you are seeing the incompetence inherent in the system. They have ruled this incompetently since 1999 and now finally it is visible for all to see. Don’t we have no confidence votes anymore under MMP. Can someone put us out of our misery.
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August 16, 2007 8:23pm
Dazzaman

Ahh, the Raptor, the Ohakea boys would be drooling at the corners of their mouths if we ever got those. A good number of those would make a really decent hole in Michael Cullens “surplus”, alas, can’t see it happening.

The F-22 would blow both away, but I prefer the Swedish Gripen and Russian Su-27’s up to the Su-37’s myself.
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August 16, 2007 8:30pm
PaulL

You’re right. I’ve just been looking through my WP installation and I can’t see it. I must have just seen the recent activity tab, and it was all me for some reason so I assumed that was all it showed.

Ah well, it was a good thought.
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August 16, 2007 8:30pm
PaulL

I did see, however, this interesting plug-in that closes comments after a period of time. Set to, say 5 days, would reduce comment spam.

http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/comment-timeout/

There is also this plugin that gives a comment preview – which could be useful:
http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/live-comment-preview/
(I installed the Firefox plugin that gives inline spell check, which is much more useful)
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August 16, 2007 8:40pm
Porcupine

One aircraft carrier could actually conquer New Zealand.
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August 16, 2007 8:42pm
Dazzaman

Or a few jumbo jets filled with rabid Indonesians, the “mussie peril”, with attendant cargo aircraft!
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August 16, 2007 8:56pm
Andrew W

One carrier could have air supremacy over NZ, not quite the same as conquering.
It’s an interesting debate as to how vulnerable carriers are to missile attacks.
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August 16, 2007 8:58pm
Dazzaman

We’re sitting ducks…I want my F-22!!
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August 16, 2007 8:58pm
Inventory2

Porcupine said “Don’t we have no confidence votes anymore under MMP. Can someone put us out of our misery.”

We do still have confidence votes Porc, but Labour has confidence & supply agreements with the Greens, Winston First & Dunne has no Future! The Greens abstain on confidence & supply votes, so Labour wins. Cute, eh!
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August 16, 2007 9:00pm
Dazzaman

All depends on whether there is good AEW and the attendant sitting duck frigates in the battle group.
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August 16, 2007 9:00pm
Dazzaman

The Falklands proved that AEW is vital to carrier/naval ops. Haven’t had a look at the Chinese navy lately, but I would suspect only the yanks could logistically pull off an invasion of Kiwiland by sea…I think we need that.
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August 16, 2007 9:04pm
Andrew W

One day they’ll come up with a really stealthy cruise missile, if it can’t be seen it can’t be hit, carriers are like barn doors on radar, so a lot would depend on ECM.
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August 16, 2007 9:06pm
Andrew W

China still can’t really, at least on paper, project power over those distances. Ultimately as in Iraq, if we were invaded it would be a question of the long term cost of the occupation for the occupier, mind you, genocide is fairly cheap 🙂
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August 16, 2007 9:10pm
Inventory2

Kiwi Donkey said “Just to be clear, TVNZ is reporting that

“Staff in the office of the PM and cabinet knew and so did New Zealand’s Middle East diplomats.”

I hope tomorrow’s newspapers headlines are: THE PM’s OFFICE KNEW!”

Don’t hold your breath KD – but it really is a lot to ask us to believe – that pretty much the entire public service knew about this, everyone in Air New Zealand knew about this, but no-one in the Beehive knew – give me a break!!! How stupid does the Labour administration think we are? Dr Prebble “forgets”, then says “it wasn’t critical anyway”, and it’s not a hanging offence; Simon Murdoch knew about the Air NZ flights but didn’t give Winston a heads-up, but that’s ok, he’s apologised, case closed (I mean, hells bells – when was the last time Winston FORGAVE anyone?) – it’s all a bit beyond belief! Mind you, it’s a blimmin’ good smokescreen for the EFB!
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August 16, 2007 9:10pm
Inventory2

Andrew W said “mind you, genocide is fairly cheap”

Hush man! You might give Dear Leader ideas!
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August 16, 2007 9:12pm
Porcupine

AW do we have any missiles? We can’t even patrol our own fisheries.

Firstly I’d rather not get invaded than have to fight a geurilla war. Secondly supply of weapons to the “freedom fighters” would be much more difficult.

There are many many countries who could could occupy us, but perhaps they’d send 2 carriers just to make sure.

The most likely medium term scenario though is not us, but China invades Taiwan and a weak US capitulates.
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August 16, 2007 9:20pm
Dazzaman

Andrew W said “…if we were invaded it would be a question of the long term cost of the occupation for the occupier, mind you, genocide is fairly cheap”

After the last decade of welfarism…we’d just roll over and take it on the ass.

“…so a lot would depend on ECM”

Yep, ECM, EW and AEW all go together to keep a battle group “safe”. I still assert that only the yanks can project power over continental distances.
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August 16, 2007 9:23pm
Andrew W

The Orion’s are able to carry Harpoon missiles, I’m not sure though that we actually carry them in stock, but realistically we couldn’t sink a carrier.

Agree a Chinese invasion of Taiwan is likely to mark the end of the US hegemony, in just 30 years China could be the #1 power.
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August 16, 2007 9:27pm
Dazzaman

Porcupine said “There are many many countries who could could occupy us, but perhaps they’d send 2 carriers just to make sure.

The most likely medium term scenario though is not us, but China invades Taiwan and a weak US capitulates.”

Not by sea they couldn’t, only the yanks are capable by sea but by air? Possible. Who’d wanna come here though, the only woman they are likely to see on their TV is Helen Yech!!
Your second scenario is possible, but I don’t think China would be silly like that.
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August 16, 2007 9:29pm
Andrew W

“Your second scenario is possible, but I don’t think China would be silly like that.”

The US wouldn’t risk all for Taiwan, the only silly mistake the Chinese are likely to make is thinking that the Taiwanese would be a push over. I would bet on them getting a blood nose to start with like the Russians did in their pre wwII Finnish foray.
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August 16, 2007 9:37pm
Dazzaman

No, we don’t have Harpoons. Our biggest cracker would probably be a Maverick. Their paper range is good but in practise they’re basically a within visual range weapon.

Chinese medium range AAM would pop off our mighty P-3’s without much trouble. Would like to see us with some Super Hornets
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August 16, 2007 9:37pm
Dazzaman

Yep, they’d deliver that alright. Don’t think the US are supplying them with weapons anymore, poor buggers, that’s why they are having to produce their own.
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August 16, 2007 9:40pm
Andrew W

“Would like to see us with some Super Hornets.”

Stealth is the way to go, by air and sea, F 35’s
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August 16, 2007 9:41pm
Dazzaman

Single engine though. With either that “surplus” of Cullens would be shaky.
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August 16, 2007 9:43pm
dc

I agree it’s a tiny storm in a tiny teacup but it has brought out some laughable reactions, like Keith Locke’s pathetic claim that “Air New Zealand has now exposed the airline, its travellers and the country to an extra risk of revenge attacks.” Yeah I’m sure this has moved us right up to the top of the list.
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August 16, 2007 9:44pm
Andrew W

STO/VL means they would have greater survivability and achieve greater surprise, the Harrier was important to NATO’s planner European defence for this reason. If we were serious about defence we could afford a few at least (12-20)
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August 16, 2007 9:49pm
Dazzaman

A mix of both, with the Super Hornet doing interdiction or Anti-Shipping. The region is not benign as Helen would have us think and it’s going to be less and less so within the next few decades. Shit, I think Fiji, either there or here would be a bloody handful for us! The other Islands have growing relations with China and there’s the “Mussie Peril” in Indo., not to mention growing Islamic influence in Tonga. Trouble brewing.
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August 16, 2007 9:57pm
Porcupine

The overwhelming thing that struck me when I watched the first Iraq war is I hope like hell the US military never has empty bellies 🙁
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August 16, 2007 10:01pm
Ross Nixon

Hawker Hurricanes?
Cheaper than Spitfires, stealth technology (linen doesn’t show on radar), easy handling.

Plus they’ll be all NZ can afford soon.
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August 16, 2007 10:03pm
Andrew W

And there we differ, we don’t need to be the pacific’s policeman, if Fiji would be a handful for us there (and it certainly would) it would be an equal handful for others, other people need to sort out there own shit.

Politicians with a lot of military power at their disposal feel they need to use it, and they invent reasons to use it.
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August 16, 2007 10:06pm
Andrew W

In a way you’re right Ross, the right simple low tech weapons can punch above their weight.
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August 16, 2007 10:10pm
Andrew W

“Politicians with a lot of military power…”

Which is why China will one day use the vast military machine she is building.
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August 16, 2007 10:19pm
Bring back D4J

OMG WTF is going on must must must ……… get a gripen on ECM B4 the AAM’s get a march on our AEW.
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August 16, 2007 10:20pm
Dazzaman

I don’t advocate being the Pacific cop, just lamenting our sad lack of any decent equipment, or more specifically political will, for our own defence needs by comparisons with our near neighbours.

On the other hand, it would be remiss of us if we didn’t, from time to time if we were able (and we’re not), be able to sabre-rattle with the threat of real steel behind us. It’s still a good strategic tactic to have up ones sleeve.
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August 16, 2007 10:20pm
Dazzaman

Sabre-rattling may be a little strong, put our muscle (which we don’t have) on show may be more appropriate. Aussie employ that tactic and do it well, can’t have the Mussie-Peril thinking your a pushover, mate.
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August 16, 2007 10:24pm
Dazzaman

Fuck that four letter code.

“OMG WTF is going on must must must ……… get a gripen on ECM B4 the AAM’s get a march on our AEW.”

Military jargon, my man.
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August 16, 2007 10:28pm
Dazzaman

Guess what! After grumbling about the security code…the one for this post is FUKU bwwwaahhaaa!!
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August 16, 2007 10:31pm
Andrew W

Military might wins battles, but hearts and minds wins wars.
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August 16, 2007 10:33pm
Andrew W

Sometimes if I’m not careful I mistake the “K” for an “H”, always on my longest and most brilliant comments too 🙂
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August 16, 2007 10:36pm
dad4justice

If you call that brilliant Andrew W then your fame beckoned to the status of a full time tunnel support on the maintrunk rail network ? What a silly custard chucker .
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August 16, 2007 10:46pm
Andrew W

that was self depreciating humour Dick4J
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August 16, 2007 10:48pm
dad4justice

Andrew , do you know how to laugh , no , thought not , just go to a mirror matey , then call a doctor .
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August 16, 2007 10:49pm
Andrew W

Dick, I guess you don’t understand laughing at yourself, what with everyone always laughing at you.
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August 16, 2007 10:50pm
Andrew W

You sad little man, life for you consists of pick a fight, then pick another fight. Seek help, you know you need it.
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August 16, 2007 10:54pm
Andrew W

Oops! Forgot, you’ve had lots of that sort of help haven’t you?
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August 16, 2007 10:56pm
Paul Marsden

Now who would have thought that a F##kW#t like Wishart could have ever sparked such a debacle/ debate!!?? Not bad for a ‘slimey little creep’ huh??!
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August 16, 2007 11:09pm
mike

D4J, have you ever considered some ritalin for yourself?
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August 17, 2007 4:31am
Craig Ranapia

Andrew W:

OK. I get where you’re coming from now and it’s pretty hard to disagree with you that *cough* certain folks don’t really add any value to the discussion. Personally, I keep a finger on my mouse’s scroll button and use it a lot. Need a bit more work on the whole ‘don’t feed the troll’ deal, though. 🙂
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August 17, 2007 8:17am
cubit9f

Just to get back to the start of this thread. Where would the hostie sit in this new Air NZ aircraft?
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August 17, 2007 8:20am
Porcupine

Speaking of missing keys I keep leaving the “o” out when I talk about our “country”.
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August 17, 2007 8:48am
Andrew W

“I mistake the “K” for an “H””

I was talking about losing a comment after cocking up the security code.
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The response to Budget 2026 has been unusually muted
Point of Order
You know what “does not pass the sniff test”? Labour’s incremental response to blatant corruption – this is why they plunged 7.5%
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When is a Free Speech Union not a Free Speech Union?
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We Are a Country That Decided Housing Was The Economy
No Minister
My Opening Statement for the UATX Caplan-Jones Immigration Rematch
Utopia
Woman of the day
Hompaddock
Playing with numbers.
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A crime
No Right Turn
Another non-tariff barrier
Offsetting Behaviour
Rugby Premiership Predictions for Round 18
Stats Chat
Budget 2026
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UK Conversion Therapy Ban, Digital ID, Rallies, Elections
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A central banker’s fiction
Croaking Cassandra
THE WORKING FROM HOME RACKET BY PUBLIC SERVANTS
No Punches Pulled (Bob Jones)
Tory Whanau may have to sell Wellington mayoralty to make ends meet
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The Accidental Engagement
Imperator Fish
Legal Beagle: Election '23: The Special Votes
Public Address
Get Vaccinated Tomorrow Or Shut Your Pie Hole
Cactus Kate
Making this movie might have been a mistake
Liam Hehir
Why I am retiring from political blogging
Kiwi FireWalker

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