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January 23, 2008 2:30pm by David Farrar

General Debate 23 January 2008

Never thought I would see a parliamentary press release about blogs!

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Insolent Prick

And just in case people actually believed that the Standard is a group of amateurs working outside of work hours, recent experience shows they have a full-time moderator.
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January 23, 2008 2:33pm
Michaels

THE YEAR’S BEST [actual] HEADLINES OF 2007:

Crack Found on Governor’s Daughter
[Imagine that!]

Something Went Wrong in Jet Crash, Expert Says
[No, really?]

Police Begin Campaign to Run Down Jaywalkers
[Now that’s taking things a bit far!]

Is There a Ring of Debris around Uranus?
[Not if I wipe thoroughly!]

Panda Mating Fails; Veterinarian Takes Over
[What a guy!]

Miners Refuse to Work after Death
[No-good-for-nothing’ lazy so-and-so!]

Juvenile Court to Try Shooting Defendant
[See if that works any better than a fair trial!]

War Dims Hope for Peace
[I can see where it might have that effect!]

If Strike Isn’t Settled Quickly, It May Last Awhile
[You think?]

Cold Wave Linked to Temperatures
[Who would have thought!]

Enfield ( London ) Couple Slain; Police Suspect Homicide
[They may be on to something!]

Red Tape Holds Up New Bridges
[You mean there’s something stronger than duct tape?]

Man Struck By Lightning: Faces Battery Charge
[he probably IS the battery charge!]

New Study of Obesity Looks for Larger Test Group
[Weren’t they fat enough?!]

Astronaut Takes Blame for Gas
in Spacecraft
[That’s what he gets for eating those beans!]

Kids Make Nutritious Snacks
[Taste like chicken?]

Local High School Dropouts Cut in Half
[Chainsaw Massacre all over again!]

Hospitals are Sued by 7 Foot Doctors
[Boy, are they tall!]

And the winner is….

Typhoon Rips Through
Cemetery; Hundreds Dead
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January 23, 2008 2:33pm
Ben Wilson

Can’t see why not. It’s a fast growing medium, with growing political influence.
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January 23, 2008 2:33pm
Inventory2

IP is far to modest – he has forced The Standard’s moderator(s) to work overtime in the last few days!!!

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/01/standard-saga-continues.html
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January 23, 2008 2:35pm
burt

Never thought I would see a parliamentary press release about blogs

I never thought a political party that passed laws requiring people publish their name and full residential address to express political opinions would potentially be involved in funding an anonymous bunch of bloggers to spread their talking points….
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January 23, 2008 2:36pm
Michaels

Where’s James Sleep lately? Has he gone on holiday with mummy and daddy?
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January 23, 2008 2:37pm
daedalus_x

So what is everybody’s problem with christianity anyway?
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January 23, 2008 2:42pm
Insolent Prick

I have banned from the Standard, apparently, for “lying”. I’m not sure what the lie is. This is despite the Standard holding itself up frequently as never moderating comments, except on very rare occasions for legal reasons.

If the Standard is saying that I was lying by asserting that some of the Standard’s bloggers are employed by the Labour Party, an affiliated union of the Labour Party, Parliamentary Services, or Ministerial Services, then I can take that as the Standard saying that none of the Standard’s authors are employed by the Labour Party, an affiliated union of the Labour Party, Parliamentary Services, or Ministerial Services.

If my “lie” that some of the Standard’s authors are employed by the Labour Party, an affiliated union of the Labour Party, Parliamentary Services, or Ministerial Services is incorrect, then I withdraw and apologise unreservedly.

But if it isn’t incorrect, then it’s not a lie. The Standard should be upfront and identify whether it’s a lie or not. The Standard has already accused me of lying. They should have the decency to back it up.
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January 23, 2008 2:45pm
Brownie

I’m still amazed that the Standard boys don’t see the parallels between the principles of transparency and honesty that were the hallmarks of the reasoning behind the EFA and the lack of transparency and honesty with the Standard and Labour.

They try to attack DPF however that fails dismally because he has a disclosure statement. They then try to link him with various parts of the National Party with no eveidence whatsoever. Yet disclosure on their part seems to be a dirty word as is their constant ad hominum attacks and unwillingness to debate the issues. Curious.

I enjoy reading the Standard (even if I vehemantly disaggree with most of their posts) and think that the likes of Tane and Nome are intelligent people with clever writing and a good ability to debate.

When the same spotlight that they cast upon DPF is cast on them however, they clam up and start with the personal attacks (Robinsod style). Why?

I’m a big fan of partisan debate and discussion. It’s the basis of democracy after all and blogs are a fantastic new medium for this. And while fully admitting that both left and right have their share of bloggers that take things a little too far, I’m more than a little disappointed that The Standard lads have descended from adult behaviour to playground mud slinging.

C’mon lads, walk your own talk, eh? Debate the issue rather than the man. Publically declare the Standard to have no affiliation with the Labour Party (financially or otherwise) and lets put this bloody issue to bed and get on with what we all like doing – having a good debate over the politics of NZ.

On a more serious note, what about ol’ Heath Ledger? Didn’t see that one coming.
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January 23, 2008 2:49pm
Inventory2

If they had nothing to hide, surely they would be shouting that from the rooftops, you would think. But they aren’t. So maybe Robinsod’s rather bizarre porcine hypothesis has merit – when applied to those who write for The Standard.
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January 23, 2008 2:51pm
Brownie

You would think by the way that Sod write’s, he is only 6 years old.Calling someone “pigfucker” just shows immaturity.
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January 23, 2008 2:53pm
Buggerlugs

Flippin’ heck…thought there was enough general debate on the other threads without having to cre8 one specially…

Anyway, is the New Zealand Rugby League taking policy and comms advice from Mark Burton/Parekura Horomia?

One would think so, given the current round of shite after shite it finds itself in. Or perhaps Tane Tutae works for the NZRL (gets to hang out with real blokes to try and develop his ‘mate’ persona, and further enhance his working class cred by posing as a leaguey) which would explain why the standard is having so much trouble coming up with a disclosure statement…the poor boy has enough on his plate already.
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January 23, 2008 2:53pm
Brownie

Nice post, Michaels. LMAO.
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January 23, 2008 2:54pm
Insolent Prick

The Standard is now offline. I wonder if it’s because they took some calls from Mike Williams and Andrew Little?
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January 23, 2008 2:55pm
Buggerlugs

IP – it works (you’d hardly call it work tho) in IE, but not Firefox.
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January 23, 2008 2:56pm
burt

The sub standard is down again…. perhaps Labour don’t want the cost counted in their election budget….

Just imagine – left wing supporters might be required to use their own money to convince others of their views…Nah – that won’t happen.

If Labour have been funding them and that funding is pulled – I put $1 on it that it’s the end of the standard as we know it today.
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January 23, 2008 2:58pm
Adolf Fiinkensein

IP, they are on line right now having a good old conversation among themselves over a picture of their patron Robert Mugabe.
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January 23, 2008 2:58pm
Brownie

Can anyone confirm for me that Mike Williams owns a company that is contracted to provide polling to the Labour party?
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January 23, 2008 2:58pm
Adolf Fiinkensein

Buggerlugs – I’m using Firefox.
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January 23, 2008 2:59pm
Redbaiter

“I have banned from the Standard, apparently, for “lying”. I’m not sure what the lie is. ”

Banning- the left’s answer to everything, especially “free speech” they don’t approve of.

There’s no lie. I know that without even reading the particular exchange. The control freak left with their pathetic shitty little hate driven blogs merely enjoy the process of banning (or deleting comments) of the right. Its their own sad and miserable way of exercising the power over others that they all yearn for so obsessively.
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January 23, 2008 3:03pm
kisekiman

Robinsod the self confessed MILF hunter likes to use terms like “pigfucker” because he believes that it will give him the street cred gonzo journalistic style of Hunter S Thompson. He should remember his hero’s own quote

“If you want to call someone a thieving pig fucker, you’d better be prepared to produce the pig.”
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January 23, 2008 3:11pm
Buggerlugs

Adolf – then I have no idea. Maybe the thought police have worked out a way to stop traffic coming from KB to TS in Firefox…je ne sais pas.
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January 23, 2008 3:13pm
Adolf Fiinkensein

kisekiman, perhaps adapted for today:-

‘“If you want to call someone a thieving pig fucker, you’d better stop grunting and get your snout out of the trough.”
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January 23, 2008 3:15pm
Bevan

kisekiman, perhaps adapted for today:-

‘“If you want to call someone a thieving pig fucker, you’d better stop grunting and get your snout out of the trough.”

Now Adolf, that is a classic!
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January 23, 2008 3:16pm
Lee C

To: The Electoral Commissiom
Level 5 Featherston House
Cnr Featherston & Waring Taylor Sts
Wellington

From: Lee Clark
(please contact me by email for my home address)

I am concerned that I recently read, in the following source:
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/the_standard_hosted_by_the_labour_party.html

http://www.thestandard.org.nz is hosted on a server at 202.74.226.119
A WHOIS on that IP address gives us:
inetnum: 202.74.226.112 – 202.74.226.127netname: LABOURPARTY1-2DAY-NZdescr: New Zealand Labour Partycountry: NZ

Under the Electoral Finance Act, 2007 (EFA), Can you advise me please whether The Standard Blog constitutes a:
commercial blog;
a Labour Party election expense;
a breach of the EFA because it fails to disclose who runs it, or provide an address?
Am I correct in assuming that if it is a non-commercial blog, it is exempt from any disclosure under the EFA, but if there is a proven link between it and the Labour party (ie it was paid for, or authorised by The NZLP) then it should be declared as an election expense? If so, under what conditions, if any would it presently be in contravention of the EFA?
If it is in contravention of the EFA at present, would you please advise me what conditions it must meet in order to comply?
If I wished to make a complaint about the blog under the Electoral Finance Act, can you advise me what aspects of the Act that The Standard, were it to be proven to be a Labour Party communication, I should be considering?
There is another aspect I wish to ask you about, if i may. If The Standard blog is hosted or run by members of a particular union, or the Labour Party, and this was done without the knowledge of their employers, would the EFA require that some form of disclosure from the employer be produced to clarify that they were unaware of such activities, should a complaint be made?
Regards,

Lee Clark
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January 23, 2008 3:17pm
john

Shall we discuss stupid pighunters and kids left for hours in a car in a forest , evolution dosnt very move very fast in tiny town NZ, but if the smack word is bought up this idiot tossier just might get arrested for not providing for his kids safety.( probably a liarbor voter)
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January 23, 2008 3:23pm
Inventory2

Well done Lee – look forward to hearing about progress. I suspect however that the enquiry will proceed at around the same pace as the police enquiry into Len Richards’s “assault with a megaphone” at last year’s LP conference.
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January 23, 2008 3:35pm
gd

Lee C Well done as Ive said before We need vigilant observation of the Socialists every move and complaints laid with the Commission and the Police at any sign of a breach of the EFA.

Stick it to the bastards they deserve nothing less than to be hoist by their own petard.
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January 23, 2008 3:35pm
burt

Our failing health system….

A mate of mine spent 48 hours sitting around in hospital over xmas/new year waiting for an operation to fix his busted elbow. I was in visiting him and he told me his theory on how to fix the public health system… It’s a simple solution and I think it has a lot of merit.

He suggested that all MP’s and Dept of Health employees (and their immediate families) should not be allowed to have private health insurance. Simple as that… if the MP’s want to claim that we have a first world health service then they should be required to rely on it for their own health care.

I think he’s onto it….
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January 23, 2008 3:36pm
slightlyrighty

I was shocked to hear at 11am about the untimely death of Heath Ledger at the age of 28. A rare talent mature beyond his years, and about to hit the box office bonanza with his portrayal of the Joker in “The Dark Knight”

An absolute waste.
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January 23, 2008 3:37pm
gd

IV2 the way to fix that little rumble is to ask for their policy on the time frame for delivery of a verdict and keep hassling the bastards until they respond.

Keep the foot on their throats and the blow torch down their Y fronts.
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January 23, 2008 3:39pm
Simeon

Michaels,

That list at the top is great !!
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January 23, 2008 3:42pm
Inventory2

gd – I’m a trifle wary of hassling Mr Pold and his colleagues – they tend to be a bit lacking in the sense-of-humour department!
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January 23, 2008 3:42pm
Inventory2

whoops – Mr Plod
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January 23, 2008 3:48pm
Rex Widerstrom

kisekiman: Surely not?! I’ve been writing (and occasionally babbling aloud) professionally for 25 years and I’d no more dream of assuming the mantle of the great Hunter S Thompson than I would of claiming to be Anastasia. No one’s hubris could be that bad… could it?!

Lee C: Well done. Just make sure the wife takes the ball gag out before you answer the phone.

slightlyrighty: It’s sad when anyone dies, specially someone young. But can’t agree on the “rare talent” thing. Have you seen “Candy” (outclassed by Abbie Cornish) let alone “Brokeback Mountain” – a mundane love story which no one dared say was crap simply because it portrayed a homosexual relationship? If his co-lead had been a woman it’d have been panned. Johnny Depp would act rings around him (if we forgive him “Pirates”). Even Ewan McGregor (if we forgive him “Star Wars”) and any number of young, lesser known actors.

burt: Great idea but didn’t a Cabinet Minister go public a few years back and get rushed to the head of the witing list?
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January 23, 2008 3:53pm
anonymouse

Burt,

When David Cunliffe broke his foot last month he went into Auckland hospital to get it fixed no one even recognised their new Minister.

Other than a couple of places in Auckland that offer private accident services in the rest of the country if you have an accident or require acute care you are likely to be in the state system irrespective of whether you have private insurance or not.
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January 23, 2008 3:54pm
Lee C

Thanks – I will keep it posted.

Also I would recommend that if you wish to contact the Electoral Commission and make your feelings known about this, or raise any questions relating to it:

http://newzealand.govt.nz/record?recordid=79
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January 23, 2008 3:54pm
Lee C

Rex:
mmm mmmmmumn k k k oh glug lu gliu
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January 23, 2008 3:56pm
burt

Rex

burt: Great idea but didn’t a Cabinet Minister go public a few years back and get rushed to the head of the witing list?

Yes, Jenny Shipley went in one day complaining about chest pain and was immediately admitted for a bypass. The more of this sort of thing that happens because MP’s can’t sneak off for private care the better….

Imagine the outrage if the PM couldn’t travel because she was on a waiting list for a knee operation….
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January 23, 2008 4:03pm
Richard Hurst

Excellant post Lee C, look forward to hearing what, if anything the Commission might say. I just posted on the Standard asking them for a full list of doners to their blog. I even used ‘please’. Doubt they will actually bother responding of course, but you never know.
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January 23, 2008 4:06pm
David Farrar

Yeah Heath Ledger is very very sad. In fact looking at what has been happening with Owen Wilson, Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan – you realise that wealth and fame can fuck some people up big time.
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January 23, 2008 4:09pm
Lee C

Thank goodness Michael Jackson emerged unscathed.
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January 23, 2008 4:13pm
Inventory2

Lee C said “Thank goodness Michael Jackson emerged unscathed.”

I guess that depends on your definition of “unscathed”!!!!!
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January 23, 2008 4:15pm
Owen McShane

New Topic – Luddites at work.
Ms Kedgley of the Green Party is really a campaigner for unsafe food.
Sue Kedgley, Safe Food Spokesperson for the Green Party, declared today that ‘The Poultry Code is Paltry’, claiming that ‘the new Code of Practice for processing of poultry, while a small step in the right direction, fails to include some very simple measures to stem the tide of Campylobacter contamination of chicken meat being sold to New Zealanders.’

However, she failed to mention that the New Zealand Food Safety Authority web page reports that ‘Irradiation is the only completely effective reported treatment for reduction in levels of Campylobacter. Irradiation of packaged fresh or frozen poultry products at 1.5 to 3.0 kg has been approved by the FDA in the USA and several other countries. Currently, prohibited in New Zealand and unlikely to be approved due to consumer resistance.’

The reason food irradiation is prohibited in New Zealand is that the Sue Kedgley’s Green Party is steadfastly opposed to it for any food and has mounted a campaign of fear which unfortunately has affected New Zealand attitudes to this safe and effective means of sterilizing food.

The Green Party would rather stand by their luddite opposition to all things nuclear than prevent this disease.

I have been hospitalised by campylobacter and It’s not very nice – being reamed out with barbed wire is the best description that comes to mind.

So if Ms Kedgley is serious about protecting thousands of New Zealanders, including young children, from this nasty infection, the solution is simple, safe and proven. Irradiate the chickens between farm and shop.

But I suspect Ms Kedgley will not let facts get in the way of her prejudice and will continue her alarmist campaign against safe food.
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January 23, 2008 4:19pm
Bevan

Green Party understanding facts, Owen are you drunk?
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January 23, 2008 4:27pm
Michaels

Nicely said Owen.
However last year I also had campylobacter, wasn’t hospitalised though. What I found very good from it though was I lost 10kg in 5 days. So once and a while I think a lot more of us should get it, sadly I have since put that 10kg’s back on so I might be looking for another little dose soon.
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January 23, 2008 4:30pm
Rex Widerstrom

Lee C says:

Thank goodness Michael Jackson emerged unscathed.

Indeed! As DPF says, there’s Lohan, Spears… going back even further Natalie Wood, Elizabeth Taylor… it is rare for a white woman not to succumb.

burt says:

…Jenny Shipley went in one day complaining about chest pain… Imagine the outrage if the PM couldn’t travel because she was on a waiting list for a knee operation…

Well at least we’re safe she won’t be admitted for chest pains. You’d need a heart for that.

Ba-da-boom. Thank you, I’m here all week.
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January 23, 2008 4:30pm
Mickey D

There’s only one item of general business today and that is:

Tottenham Hotspur 5; the Woolwich Wanderers 1.

Gooner, are you out there?

24 Feb, Wem-ber-ley, here I come.
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January 23, 2008 4:52pm
Whaleoil

I thought campylobacter was a dinosaur.

meanwhile the Very Double Standard continues on their defamatory attacks on the FSC because we have the temerity to publish our donors…..whilst they remain funded (in the absence of any denial) by the Labour Party and anonymous despite backing a law for others to have to list their names and addresses.

The hypocrisy is breathtaking, but then it is what we have come to expect from Labour.
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January 23, 2008 5:24pm
Inventory2

Whale – you damn near FEEL like a dinosaur after a dose of Campylobacter – all but dead! I lost more than a stone in 3 days when I was sticken a few years ago, and it’s not a method of weight loss I’d wish even on our friends from The Standard!
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January 23, 2008 5:28pm
JC

“Owen are you drunk?”

That’s a very unkind thing to say about those of us with Blenheimers Disease.

JC
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January 23, 2008 5:34pm
Inventory2

Couldn’t resist posting about this!!!

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/01/mark-todd-comes-out.html
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January 23, 2008 6:09pm
boomtownprat

Looks like the VDS will be on one news any minute!
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January 23, 2008 6:11pm
Rex Widerstrom

Inventory 2: I’d heard he was having trouble mounting. Now, can you confirm the rumours that he’s adding Lee C to his team? Something about the use of riding crops and stirrups, I gather.
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January 23, 2008 6:25pm
Michaels

LOL @ Blenheimers Disease.
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January 23, 2008 6:32pm
Whaleoil

Mike Williams puts his feet in his mouth again, he has just told another story that doesn’t match either Tane’s proven lies or Lynn’s story.

Just why Labour would provide “webspace” to unknown bloggers is beyond even the thickest pinko.

labour and the Standard need to come clean.
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January 23, 2008 6:33pm
Inventory2

NEWSFLASH!!!!

Mike Williams tells the truth!

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/01/standard-saga-continues.html
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January 23, 2008 6:33pm
helmet

Lee C- re MJ, priceless.
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January 23, 2008 7:02pm
Buggerlugs

Speaking of the health system, my brother (who lives in Aussie) became a dad for the first time last night. Because he pays for his own healthcare via a plan (and gets the associated tax credits for it), he, his wife, and my new niece came out of the whole birth experience and were whisked upstairs to their “suite” – two double beds, spa pool, satellite TV and breakfast menu. Bastards.

Contrast that with my wife and I, who have paid health insurance for a decade now. When our first nipper was due, we had heard the horror stories about Wellington Hospital and asked if there was any where we could go private (other than the Green Party-lets-have-it-in-the-paddling-pool-in-the-kitchen) and were told no.

Having a baby at Wellington Hospital is as close as I have come to visiting a Bosnian field hospital at the height of their civil war. Add to that the Middle Eastern trainee gynaecologist who refused to check out my wife’s privates to make sure they had returned to normal transmission (he wouldn’t even take a peek), nurses who refused to help her go to the loo etc., and its just another reason why people are buggering off to Aussie.

My brother, incidentally, pays only a tiny bit more per annum than I do for health cover.
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January 23, 2008 7:07pm
Fred

If a service is centrally funded and is delivered as an entitlement then standards inevitably slip. Managers have no focus on customer service and there’s no need to do anything to ensure that customers are not lost to the competition. The solution is simple, put the money in the hands of the customers (call it vouchers) and let them choose, same to apply to education. Our experience has been weeks and weeks of delay as the “file” was passed between various departments, lost a couple of times and rebuilt (at who knows what additional cost) we got a result using inside contacts and some old fashioned table thumping persistance.

Who would have thought there was a solution to campylobacter, but if it involves nuclear power it’s unsafe.
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January 23, 2008 7:27pm
burt

Buggerlugs

Contrast that with my wife and I, who have paid health insurance for a decade now. When our first nipper was due, we had heard the horror stories about Wellington Hospital and asked if there was any where we could go private (other than the Green Party-lets-have-it-in-the-paddling-pool-in-the-kitchen) and were told no.

Exactly – No. We were told the same and it was incidentally under National. What a crock of shit that is – birth is one size fits all. (However I must say the medical team and neo natal care we received was excellent with a traumatic birth.) The facilities… it was priceless having it explained to us that as we were required to stay more than 1 night we wouldn’t be entitled to the 50 free nappies for early departure…..

This is public health in NZ – if only the MP and Dept of Health and hospital staff and their families were not entitled to use private health care at all we might have a decent system.
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January 23, 2008 11:12pm
Pascal

http://www.disintegrator.co.uk/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GAUnuuBkW4

I think I want one.
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January 24, 2008 6:53am
Lee C

Wehad a child at Waitakere 18 months ago. Both the service expertise and post-natal care were excellent, and the facilities well used in general.
The ante-natal care was also top notch. The Midwife also was as good as they get.
So we are three satisfied customers.
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January 24, 2008 7:05am
Chuck Bird

IP, even if what you say about some of the Standard’s bloggers are employed by the Labour Party is not true that does not make it a lie – you could simply be incorrect. If Parliament used the same stardard there would be a lot of MPs forced to resign for misleading the house.
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January 24, 2008 7:51am
Simeon

Isn’t it interesting that only 23% of people support a labour Govt in the poll on http://www.nzdebate.blogspot.com
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General Debate 04 June 2026
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General Debate 04 June 2026
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General Debate 04 June 2026
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Abolishing HR
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