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Lee C

My original thought was ‘Winston’, but then I’m not into rugby.
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July 10, 2008 12:39pm
Murray

Just a random question here.

When was the least time you saw someone go through the court system, get convicted of a serious assault and then actually pay his victim $100.000?
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July 10, 2008 12:48pm
Owen McShane

We are always asking people to take personal responsibility for their actions.
These two people, as free adult individuals, have done that.

We know that in these circumstances there always exists, or can be claimed to exist, some sharing of blame.
LIke of all of us, I have either participated in, or have observed, family rows, and it is difficult to say who started what and who was initially and finally to blame.

Both these parties decided to accept responsibility and negotiated a settlement. She has been saved the distress of public exposure (UNTIL NOW) and also did not have to sue through the courts and drag lawyers and police into their personal lives.

He avoided the same distress and paid compensation of $100,000 and took on more counselling etc than the courts would have imposed.

It seems that many do NOT want people to take personal responsibility because it deprives them of their prurient pleasures while depriving hack journalists of their yellow journalism and their opportunity to be so much holier than thou.

This saved us all a lot of money.

We have all been saying the police are under-resourced and too busy to deal with real crime – the kind where people end up dead.

And yet those people are now demanding that the police investigate this case which these two parties have settled.

That will take massive police resources off the streets.
And who will be the beneficiaries?
Certainly not the the woman involved who has settled the matter.

So who gains?
Just the trash journalists operating our CHarter and a few man haters who believe that men are responsible for all evil and that all women are saints and can do no wrong.
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July 10, 2008 12:53pm
Gooner

I am very reliably informed he paid much more than $100K although that might be immaterial to some.

And most are forgetting there is a victim here who, it seems, as Owen says, wanted no publicity in this. Remember, she has not, yet, alleged anything happened. I am told the information in the media came from an (ex?) work buddy of hers from Vodafone (don’t know the reasons why). In my view it is not ‘hush’ money, rather as Owen says an agreed resolution by willing parties. If he paid hush money then the partner collected hush money and she should be equally condemned for such.

And his punishment is a) public humiliation, b) loss of approximately $200K, and c) possibly his career in the short term: all far, far more than any court could or would hand out.
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July 10, 2008 1:03pm
gd

Jeez Some of the squawk back radio callers wont be satisified even if Veitch was hung drawn and quartered and his parts buried at the 4 corners of the country.

The Wimmins Refuge screechers are among the worst

Im with Owen In the words of our Heavenly beloved leader Nothing to see here Move on
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July 10, 2008 1:06pm
RRM

The biggest thing I admire about the Tui billboards, is that they take the piss out of anything and everyone.

An ability to laugh at good taste, AND at bad taste, And at the Left, AND at the Right, is something a lot of folk would do well to try and emulate 😉
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July 10, 2008 1:07pm
gd

Ohh And betcha the squawkers would the first to cry foul if they ever ended up in Veitchs shoes.

There by the grace of God go they usual 2 faced arseholes and arseholesses
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July 10, 2008 1:10pm
RRM

gd – The only Women’s Refuge spokesperson I’ve heard commenting on the issue, seemed to be saying she thought that Veitch had said exactly the right things at his press conference – particularly the bit about “the reasons I did it were ___ but that’s no excuse…”

Now, an interesting question might be:
Did Veitch write his own press conference, or has he got very good PR people telling him what to say?
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July 10, 2008 1:12pm
Danyl Mclauchlan

We have all been saying the police are under-resourced and too busy to deal with real crime – the kind where people end up dead.

And yet those people are now demanding that the police investigate this case which these two parties have settled.

That will take massive police resources off the streets.
And who will be the beneficiaries?
Certainly not the the woman involved who has settled the matter.

I’m always a little wary of entering into debate with someone so clearly crippled by stupidity as Owen McShane – there’s an aura of competing in the special olympics about it.

But a couple of questions do arise from McShane’s post above and the amusement I’ll get from watching him try to answer will surely compensate for the wasted time.

1. Why does he think the police will pull resources off of open murder cases to investigate historical assault charges?

2. Why will a case in which the person accused of the crime has publically admitted his guilt require ‘massive resources’ to investigate?

3. Most people who murder their partners have a long history of assault before they escalate to murder – does he really think the police are wasting their time investigating and prosecuting someone who put their ex-girlfriend in a wheelchair?
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July 10, 2008 1:16pm
big bruv

Vietch is a fool, all he had to say about the assault was that he was defending the honour of some other woman, apparently you can do whatever you like if you use that line as your defense.
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July 10, 2008 1:22pm
llew

Ohh And betcha the squawkers would the first to cry foul if they ever ended up in Veitchs shoes.

What? Gave someone such a kicking they ended up in hospital with cracked vertebrae? It would take quite a lot for those squawkers to end up in his shoes.

There by the grace of God go they usual 2 faced arseholes and arseholesses<

That’s not by the grace of god, that’s choosing to grievously assault someone.

FFS gd, read what you’re saying.
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July 10, 2008 1:28pm
dog_eat_dog

This whole saga has been well overdone. Two adults, one remorseful, came up with a suitable restitution plan far better than any court could have arranged.
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July 10, 2008 1:40pm
Murray

Yeah interestingly i’ve never had the missfortune to end up like Veich.

I’ve also never kicked the crap out of my ex.

I wonder if the two facts could in some way be related… hmm.
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July 10, 2008 1:42pm
david c

What the fuck is wrong with most of you people? Are you for one second suggesting it should be ok for Tony to hit his girlfriend because he’ll lose his job and he paid $100,000?

What about Joe Bloggs who collects rubbish for a living who hit his wife. He can’t afford to pay $100,000 in blood money nor is he in the public eye…is this just tough shit for him?

Fuck me the misogyny on this thread makes me sick.

He beat the shit out of his wife. He should be sent to prison.

Simple as that.
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July 10, 2008 1:44pm
Al-Girta

Owen’s argument falls apart if Veitch didn’t have a lazy $100 k in the bank.
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July 10, 2008 1:48pm
llew

Blood money… yes.
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July 10, 2008 1:49pm
llew

Owen’s argument falls apart if Veitch didn’t have a lazy $100 k in the bank.

I’ve heard rumour that he didn’t. More to come?
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July 10, 2008 1:50pm
llew

Two adults, one remorseful, came up with a suitable restitution plan far better than any court could have arranged

Really? I don’t see a prison sentence in that plan. Thought you guys like getting tough on crime?

David C is right.
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July 10, 2008 1:52pm
Sam

So – those that can afford it should be able to buy their way out of criminal prosecution and a jail term as long as the victim doesn’t complain. Is that the kind of justice system you desire OMcS (and other ‘free-thinkers’ on here)? Just how much money do you have again?

I’ve despised his blokish machismo on TV for long enough (he suffers from small man’s disease I’d say) – I see him as symptomatic of the dumbing down of society (and sports is a good place to start there anyway…). The c#nt should be removed from society.
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July 10, 2008 1:53pm
Murray

They’re system at least seems to have some focus on the victim. Not the publics revenge mob blood lust Llew.

Given the option I know what I’d be leaning towrards if it had been on the end of Viechs boot.

Asuming I hadn’t kicked his ass of course.
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July 10, 2008 2:00pm
llew

Just how much money do you have again?

Oh, you don’t need money to effect the same outcome, maybe threaten a few family members or something, be interested to know if Owen supports those tactics too.
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July 10, 2008 2:02pm
Danyl Mclauchlan

They’re system at least seems to have some focus on the victim. Not the publics revenge mob blood lust Llew.

I’m just guessing, but I’d say the victim picked the $100,000 and promised not to prosecute not because that sounded like a really great deal but because she was going to be in a wheelchair and out of work for the forseeable future and that was the practical choice. If she could have I’ve no doubt she would have liked to take the $100,000 AND seen the guy who hospitalised her go to prison, but didn’t have that luxury.

So the $100,000 probably wasn’t what the victim wanted, it was just the best of two really crappy options that Veitch’s lawyers offered her.
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July 10, 2008 2:06pm
Brian Smaller

Good thing I was sitting down as I write this. I agree with Danyl. If she had just gone to the police she would have got nothing. As it was she got some weregild. And he has been stuffed. Sounds good to me.
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July 10, 2008 2:11pm
Murray

And how would it have been better for her to say cram it and go to the cops Danyl?

Right it would have been a suck puss move. You want to blame anyone for the situation go after the crap court system that cares more for offenders than victims.

Like I said I know whitch i would have chosen.

Ask Oz how much fun it is to try and get money out of an offender who has been ordered to pay reparations for a start.
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July 10, 2008 2:14pm
Danyl Mclauchlan

And how would it have been better for her to say cram it and go to the cops Danyl?

I would have taken the money and then gone to the cops – you can’t waive your basic legal rights and any contract that asks you to do so is non-binding.
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July 10, 2008 2:19pm
dave_c__

A lot of you’s who are complaining that we should let them get on and settle as they see fit are missing the larger issue here !

Perception – The perception here is that he did something seriously wrong and
a) he wanted money to make it all go away
b) he expected to keep his job at TVNZ where his actions conflict with the promotion decrying his very action
c) he does not consider that his actions were unlawful and deserve to be assessed and scrutinised by his peers and justice systems.

In short assholes like this consider themselves above the law and will do anything to evade accountability.
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July 10, 2008 2:26pm
dave_c__

Law and Justice serves everyone equally – Yeah Right
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July 10, 2008 2:28pm
dave_c__

“Some pigs are more equal than others”
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July 10, 2008 2:29pm
burt

All of you wankers who think that paying $100,000 makes it OK… How would you like it if that were your daughter ?

Justice is not a play thing, cheque books do not buy immunity…. well perhaps they do, but they should not.

The fact it was $100K is a distraction, the woman basher is earning circa $400,000/year. Would a person on the dole therefore get away with paying $4,000 for beating the shit out his partner ? How would you feel about that.

Look at the principles….. just try it…. forget that it was $100,000 and forget he’s a TV hero you like…. look at what he did.

It’s not OK.
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July 10, 2008 2:39pm
dog_eat_dog

Until the woman makes a complaint, it’s not an issue. You guys can get loaded up about it all you want, but it’s none of your business.

Also, Sam, way to prove your current attitude is more likely a carryover of your attitude to him before we knew he gave his ex the bash. And also, well done for claiming that sports dumb down society and then using the word ‘C#nt’. Your hypocrisy is a shining beacon to us all.
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July 10, 2008 3:08pm
Owen McShane

None of us know the facts. Many are assuming a report in a newspaper to be a fact.
The ex partner has left the country to avoid this kind of publicity but even so her photo is being splashed all over the place.
We have no idea what actually happened.
Many women value their privacy above all else. Take the case of the woman who claims informally that she was abused by four members of the Lions team. She has not laid a formal complaint because she does not want the publicity.

This is why on the information to hand I am prepared to believe this was a freely negotiated contract between two adult people.

Especially given that he now has a wife who stands by him and would not be doing so if he was an ongoing wifebeater.

Veitch’s ex partner is already the loser in this – and I have yet to identify who can be a winner, other than those who want to wallow all the details of this tragedy and will boost their own pride by chucking a lot of “first stones.”
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July 10, 2008 3:23pm
ross

> If she could have I’ve no doubt she would have liked to take the $100,000 AND seen the guy who hospitalised her go to prison, but didn’t have that luxury.

Could you point me to any other cases where a victim has got such a large payout and a conviction for the offender? Cheers.
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July 10, 2008 3:26pm
ross

And Danyl, do you know if Veitch’s ex attacked him first? If so, would you be happy to see her charged too? Cheers.
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July 10, 2008 3:28pm
burt

Owen McShane

If you were a religious man I could imagine you preying for your daughter.

‘Lord, grant my daughter the wisdom to marry a millionaire so that if he beats her senseless, busting her back in four places and inflicting head injuries, then she can at least be rich because of it, Lord forgive the wife beaters that have lots of money and cast the ones who are unable to make large secret payments in jail so that my daughter need not risk poverty when they loose their rag and viciously attack her’

Do you really think this is about money? Do you think $100,000 would cut it if the beater had been Bill Gates or Owen Glenn?
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July 10, 2008 3:30pm
burt

ross

So what if she hit him first, he had a right to defend himself, busting her back and inflicting head injuries is way past that…

If my 9 year son punches me would it be OK if I bust his spine to teach him a lesson?
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July 10, 2008 3:33pm
ross

> So what if she hit him first, he had a right to defend himself, busting her back and inflicting head injuries is way past that…

I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m simply asking if Danyl would want to see her charged too. I imagine he would, seeing as he’s clearly a fair-minded person.
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July 10, 2008 3:35pm
llew

We have no idea what actually happened.

That’s overstating it a bit – you missed his press conference did you?

This is why on the information to hand I am prepared to believe this was a freely negotiated contract between two adult people.

Possibly, perhaps she gave him a hug & they cracked a bottle of bubbles to celebrate. C’mon Owen. If we’re getting into wild speculation like that, and that’s about the only part of the story that we don’t have confirming facts for (we klnow quite a lot – because Veirch confirmed it in a press conference), how do you know she didn’t keep quiet for fear of getting another hiding?
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July 10, 2008 3:35pm
llew

And Danyl, do you know if Veitch’s ex attacked him first?

tell you what, I do know that if she did, she didn’t do him any great injury… get it now?

I’m simply asking if Danyl would want to see her charged too. I imagine he would, seeing as he’s clearly a fair-minded person.

Goodness Ross, still a logic-free zone I see. Now she was the aggressor?
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July 10, 2008 3:37pm
Murray

She would have been in violation of her contract and lost the money.

Stop being deliberately stupid Dany.

The judicial system is poked for victims and you know it.
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July 10, 2008 3:42pm
LC

It shows that even intelligent women can make mistakes about suitable partners.
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July 10, 2008 3:44pm
cookie

Owen – how do you know he is not an on-going wife beater? I wouldn’t make that presumption just because his present wife stood behind him yesterday, he could have forced her do to that. He could be bullying or bashing her as well for all we know. My bet is this is not an isolated incident.
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July 10, 2008 3:48pm
burt

Dear supporters of men beating woman….

Have you ever been a witness to a woman being beaten by an angry man? Have you ever nursed you mother/daughter/sister/friend bruises and cuts? Have you ever tried to step in to help and been smashed to the floor yourself? Have you ever tried to call the police and been beaten to a pulp with the phone before coming around a few minutes later to see that your mother/sister/daughter/friend is still being thumped beyond reason.

Have you ever stopped the cycle by stepping in to help and pummelled the violent bastard to a pulp so he needs to spend weeks in hospital?

Do you people actually know what you are defending? Do you really understand the physical power difference between men and woman?
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July 10, 2008 3:50pm
Al-Girta

Murray you cant contract out of criminal acts. There aint a contract.

There is something very tribal / downtown Baghdad about the idea that criminal acts such as a wife beating can be settled between the two clans.

First stones? Good ole leftie moral equivalence driving 110 km or not filing a resource application to change a light bulb is the same as a wife beater.
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July 10, 2008 3:51pm
Sam

OM – so you believe the current situation (in terms of privacy) is preferable to court ordered case suppression? It seems to me that if privacy is her thing, then she is being victimised again – not such a good outcome from this deal for her. I wouldn’t care if he committed the crime and I never heard about it – I’m not exactly lusting over details.

Dog eat dog:
Until the woman makes a complaint, it’s not an issue. You guys can get loaded up about it all you want, but it’s none of your business.

He is a menace to society until it is proven otherwise. I don’t think our Prison system is ideal, but it is the system that we have to deal with his type.

Also, Sam, way to prove your current attitude is more likely a carryover of your attitude to him before we knew he gave his ex the bash.
My current attitude would stand if it were my greatest hero under the spotlight. the fact that I think he is a boorish creep is irrelevant to the case, except that hopefully i will not have to put up with his presence on screen anymore (a minor celebration in the scale of things, but one I’ll find some satisfaction in).

And also, well done for claiming that sports dumb down society and then using the word ‘C#nt’. Your hypocrisy is a shining beacon to us all.
I don’t see any hypocrisy – it is an offensive term that I reserve for the most extremely loathsome character – a beater of women qualifies for that in my book.
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July 10, 2008 4:01pm
ross

> tell you what, I do know that if she did, she didn’t do him any great injury.

Oh, I see. So if woman struck a guy which caused him to require a few stictches, that would presumably count as no “great injury”. But if a guy did the same thing to a woman, that would be quite different. Thanks for the lesson in logic, Ilew. I think you’ll find the law applies equally to both sexes.
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July 10, 2008 4:03pm
riki

I am now committed faithfully to the Tui brew.

And its not a bad brew!
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July 10, 2008 4:05pm
llew

Oh, I see. So if woman struck a guy which caused him to require a few stictches, that would presumably count as no “great injury”. But if a guy did the same thing to a woman, that would be quite different. Thanks for the lesson in logic, Ilew. I think you’ll find the law applies equally to both sexes.

Smirk! Either you’re a total idiot…

1. we’re talking about facts known in this case – well I was, you were off in imagination land
2. Nothing suggests she hit him, let alone that she caused him to require stitches
3. He’s admitted that he assaulted her, and she was confined to a wheelchair with a back broken in four places.

I’m not at all sure what you’re trying to say, but lessons in logic are obviously wasted on you.

But let’s try & unravel your point – let’s say for the sake of argument, because there’s nothing to suggest this happened – that she did attack him, requiring him to have a few stitches, he then “lashed out” (his words) kicking her while she was down, so that her back was broken in 4 places & she was confined to a wheelchair, unable to work.

Ross, I can see there’s quite a difference there, can you?

BTW – what if… just to apply a little imagination land myself – the newspaper comes out tomorrow with details of previous beatings he’s administered? How would you view the situation then?

To summarise for the slow – Ross, you’re jhust making shit up & arguing non sequiturs
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July 10, 2008 4:21pm
mara

If Veitch had done that to my daughter, I would be raiding the piggy-bank big time and making a few connections in Manurewa. I would make it my life’s work if required, but reckon it wouldn’t take that long. Being ancient, I remember the time when men were simply not ” permitted ” to hit women or little kids. Of course some did but , now we live in a society where, according to some polls, the verdict is 50/50 as to whether or not he should keep his jobs. When Paris Hilton and pricks like Veitch are held up to be “role models”, I worry.
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July 10, 2008 5:25pm
Sam

I should clarify my earlier statement to avoid confusion (which dog_eats_dog didn’t avoid), when I said The c#nt should be removed from society, I meant because of his violent crime – not because of his crimes against good taste on tv…
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July 10, 2008 5:34pm
gd

like I expected the usual squawkers all came out to play As Owen siad we dont know the whole story Theres always at least 3 sides Yours mine and the truth and they are usually mutually exclusive.

And llew I prefer the justice and legal system we have Its not perfect but it sure beats the Kangaroo Court that you and others have tried convicted and hung Veitch in
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July 10, 2008 5:37pm
WebWrat

No wonder all the mental homes were shut down … the whole country is a mental home!
Hitting someone with a megaphone was assault.
Punching someone in parliament was assault even tho the punchee didn’t lay a complaint.
All you hear these days is talk of tougher sentencing, how the crime rate is sky-rocketing and how we all want it to stop.
But ….
For some reason, if you get your missus on the ground (reason irrelevant) and kick the shit out of her … that’s not assault.
Move on.
Leave the poor boy alone.
I fucking despair!
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July 10, 2008 5:47pm
Sam

gd – that’s the whole point (which you seem to miss completely) – Veitch has not been availed of our justice and legal system (yet)… You might qualify me as a squawker (given the nature of your initial comments in this thread), but that is all that I really want to see happen…
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July 10, 2008 6:16pm
Danyl Mclauchlan

This is why on the information to hand I am prepared to believe this was a freely negotiated contract between two adult people.

But Owen, the idea that this was freely negotiated deal between equals is basically a little fantasy you’ve invented – its equally plausible that Veitch’s lawyers offered her $100,000 if she kept her mouth shut and threatened to sue her for defamation and bankrupt her if she went to the police or media. This may not have happened but its about as plausible as your contract between equals.

None of us know the facts. Many are assuming a report in a newspaper to be a fact.

Personally I’m assuming that his public confession that was broadcast all over the country was a fact.

The ex partner has left the country to avoid this kind of publicity but even so her photo is being splashed all over the place.

She arrived back in the country tonight. I think it speaks volumes that you blame the media for any discomfort she might feel and not the guy who beat her so badly she was confined to a wheelchair.

Its also pretty telling that your immediate reaction to a story about a woman receiving a savage beating was to launch a bizarre rant against ‘man-haters’ and insist that the victim has to take responsibility for the blame. You’re a deeply creepy guy.
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July 10, 2008 6:39pm
James

Yawn who cares get a life move on etc….
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July 10, 2008 8:15pm
JSF2008

It takes his actions to a new level, when he says on his sports program ( we are going to kick the stuffing out of the south african rugby team) 🙂
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July 10, 2008 8:16pm
madbilly

Hey Owen, perhaps you might consider joining the Taleban…though you might need to tone down your misogynism a little first.
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July 10, 2008 11:11pm
kisekiman

Owen,

I’ve read and agreed with a lot of what you have written in the past on this blog but can’t agree with your views here. Paying hush money to smooth over a serious assault doesn’t sound like the sort of solution we should be encouraging as way to relieve an alleged burden on our justice system.
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July 11, 2008 3:21am
keanu

you know the thing that bugs me is how often has this fella Veitch done this before. Remembering he was kicked out of Ozzie before he got onto our airwaves. What is this fellas history?

and also what kind of protection racket is 1ZB running by prohibiting their talkback hosts from discussing Veitch’s sordid behaviour with their listeners?
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July 11, 2008 2:38pm
Murray

Al-girta, show me anywhere that I said that this contrct negated legal action. My point is that privately these two came to a more equitable arrangement for the victim than she could ever have expected from the judicial system.

String the prick up by his balls, whatever. You’re bloodlust though seems to be more than hers since shes spoken to the police and declined to make a complaint.

The fact remains our system sucks for victims.

Seems stupid to be a pitchforck and torch waving mob for someone who doesn’t want a bar of it by the looks of things. Be outraged on behalf of someone else seems just a little bit silly to me.
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PO Box 12270, Thorndon, Wellington 6144

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