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October 23, 2008 5:00pm by David Farrar

CTU Anti-National Ad

Not bad actually. I enjoyed it.

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Tim Ellis

I made the following comments over at the Standard when they published it:

“How to win friends and influence new Ministers, by Helen Kelly”.

It’s good to see the CTU nail their colours to the mast. Pity they won’t engage in serious debate.

It’s a bit short on facts, though. National have said they won’t sell state assets. If that promise isn’t credible, then nor is Labour’s claim that they won’t cancel their tax cuts.

The video was obviously produced before the PREFU, because National’s fiscal package shows less debt forecast than Labour’s. If National is borrowing for its tax cuts, then so too is Labour.

The Huntly power station in the background wasn’t sold by National. It is still very much owned by Mighty River Power.

Three quarters of the power generation is state-owned. They’re making big profits, but it’s the Government that’s been creaming those profits off power users.

Roger Douglas didn’t sell Telecom. The 4th Labour Government did. Roger Douglas was Minister of Police during the sale. He hadn’t been Minister of Finance for a year prior to the Telecom sale. Helen Clark, however, had been Deputy Prime Minister for a year prior to the Telecom sale. She voted for the sale in Cabinet and in caucus.

It’s a pity the CTU couldn’t resort to fact with their scaremongering.
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October 23, 2008 5:05pm
Lee C

Did they take it well?
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October 23, 2008 5:14pm
getstaffed

Tim – posting the truth there will see you banned.
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October 23, 2008 5:37pm
insider

Huntly’s owned by Genesis.
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October 23, 2008 5:41pm
Buggerlugs

and isn’t Brenda ‘Kamikaze’ Pilott winning friends with her outrageous PSA claims – all of which have been rebuffed by Bill English. Thank fuck I don’t have to belong to a union.

When I did, the highlight was hitting a union rep with a barbeque implement. There’s nothing like being told to go on strike by someone who isn’t going to lose their pay and benefits who sits on their fat arse winding up your boss while you and all your workmates can see the simple solution to the issue. The fecker was lucky we didn’t hang him from the crane.
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October 23, 2008 6:01pm
toad

Are you on the piss DPF, or is it just my browser playing up?

Anyway, what I’m seeing is just code, rather than the video:

Which, makes me think you may not have embedded it properly.

Anyway, I have seen the video, and posted it on g.blog. I think the messaging is spot on, but the NZCTU could do better re presentation of the message. The CTU’s effort reminds me of Muldoon’s 1975 Colenso ads – it is now 30 years on from that – and the Nats’ awful Telethon parody from 2005. I can’t believe that the Nats actually ran with something so awful – it totally negatedall the great PR work John Ansell had done with their billboards, and made them look amateurish.
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October 23, 2008 6:01pm
GPT1

TOad I got code too but found it elsewhere. Is bloody funny even if stretching the truth somewhat.
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October 23, 2008 6:07pm
dad4justice

“Are you on the piss DPF”

Are you a fucking cop Mr Didymo? Go hit your g spot !!
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October 23, 2008 6:08pm
Ed Snack

The message, Toad, you mean “It’s alright to flat out lie about our opponents because they’re really evil capitalist bastards led by a rich prick”. That the sort of thing ? Because it may be reasonably well produced, but it sure as hell is full of untruths and highly misleading. It’s like me running a taxpayer funded ad claiming that the CTU is intent on enslaving you while the Union Bosses get their special Dacha’s and their preferential hospital treatment, but doing it really well !

I can see why the Bretheren so irked the Greens and Labour, because they told the basic truth about the policies espoused by the Greens and Labour.
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October 23, 2008 6:17pm
MyNameIsJack

dad4justice (4262) 0 1 Says:

October 23rd, 2008 at 6:08 pm
“Are you on the piss DPF”

Are you a fucking cop Mr Didymo? Go hit your g spot !!

Is this the standard of debate one can expect here, or is dad4justice pissed?
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October 23, 2008 6:24pm
peterquixote

Farrar

DPF why is NAT is trying to lose this election?

tell me why DPF.

why do you forget that Winston Peters gets 5%

why do you not know that MAORI gets 5% plus

why do you not know that GREEN gets 10%

Even Peters Done is back on left.

why are you so smart and so dumb NAT?

why do you stupid NAT fuck our Country when we need yopu?
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October 23, 2008 6:32pm
idiotboy

once these fellows see the latest 3 news poll – there will be no limit to the depths to which the standard of debate here will sink.
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October 23, 2008 6:44pm
Don the Kiwi

peterquixote

Obviously you are totally intelligible – Not!

Tell us how you really feel. But say it so we can understand it.
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October 23, 2008 6:47pm
Buggerlugs

peterquixote, could you please try typing in english, or remove one hand from your penis so we can understand what you are trying to say.
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October 23, 2008 6:49pm
Ratbiter

Frighteningly realistic…

(Because they WILL sell everything and cut services to pay for your tax bribe that you are all going to vote for. Let’s not kid ourselves that anything to the contrary is anything but “marketing.”
And when it’s all over, Key will be sipping long Island Iced Teas on the beach in Hawaii, while his helpers teach the local boys how to use NZ$50s as toilet paper… )
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October 23, 2008 6:52pm
dad4justice

Is peterquixote on the bong with phool, toad,mynameisilljill, ratbiter, rogered nomed, sonic and idiotboy?Great use of taxpayers money !!
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October 23, 2008 6:54pm
Buggerlugs

Ratbaiter, my comment to peterquixote at 6.49 refers. You’ll go blind…
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October 23, 2008 7:04pm
wreck1080

I can’t see this video on my screen for some reason. Oh well.

Bloody hell, things not looking good for National in the polling tonight. The labour bloc gets more seats than the national bloc.

NZ are socialist greens. The people who comment here are the minority I am afraid. I wonder how much this has to do with the high birth rates in South Auckland and the exodus of the brightest…
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October 23, 2008 7:32pm
MyNameIsJack

dad4justice (4264) Vote: 1 1 Says:

October 23rd, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Is peterquixote on the bong with phool, toad,mynameisilljill, ratbiter, rogered nomed, sonic and idiotboy?Great use of taxpayers money !!

Must be time for a demerit or 3, or is d4j a pet?
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October 23, 2008 7:32pm
dad4justice

What a creep asking for demerits. I feel sick saying I am a kiwi.

Edit – lets continue this on the Standard sewage blog Heather.
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October 23, 2008 7:34pm
MyNameIsJack

I feel sick knowing gutter trash claims to be a kiwi
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October 23, 2008 7:39pm
toad

d4j said: Is peterquixote on the bong with … toad,

d4j, the last time I smoked dak was in 1986. I discovered it tended to make me a bit paranoid, so gave it away.

What makes you that way today?

BTW, I often don’t agree with peterquixote, but I think his posts are usually rather clever, albeit obscure to misogynist homophobic dickheads who cannot think outside the square like you d4j. Suspect he may have spent more time on frogblog than here, so you may have missed some of his past efforts.
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October 23, 2008 7:39pm
dad4justice

toad = gutless frightened wimp far to scared to admit his communist agenda!
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October 23, 2008 7:42pm
MyNameIsJack

What’s your agenda, daddio? To simply slander and abuse? Or do you have an argument worth making and debating?

I have never, not once, seen you make an attempt to debate an issue. Can you debate? Do you know what a debate is? or are you simply a simpleton who can only sling mud because ideas give you a migraine?
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October 23, 2008 7:44pm
dad4justice

Goodbye MyNameIsSonic.
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October 23, 2008 7:45pm
MyNameIsJack

Well well, I never knew YOU were sonic!

What a hoot!
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October 23, 2008 7:55pm
stephen

Think of him as very eccentric…
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October 23, 2008 8:00pm
Chicken Little

Who? Jack?
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October 23, 2008 8:37pm
Don the Kiwi

Settle down D4J.

Your pacemaker’s showing. 😉
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October 23, 2008 8:51pm
burt

The add is quite funny. Like Tim points out very early in the thread the CTU are not to bothered by the facts which is to be expected, hell unions think that getting CPI increases for workers while the PM gets circa 3 x CPI every year is doing a great job for workers.
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October 23, 2008 8:54pm
Chicken Little

And idiot….. as for tonights ‘poll’ – well, only a few weeks to go and then we’ll see, won’t we?.

Personally I’m picking –

Winston First gone.

Greens maybe 5%…just. (as long as Norman doesn’t try to talk economics again, sheesh what a goose)

Anderton gone from boundary changes.

Maori Party 6 mps

Act 3 mps

Dunne back

Labour 31-33%

Nats 49 – 55%

In other words…….a good old fashioned arse kicking for the Left….but as I said – we shall see.

I almost hope Labour get back in and cobble together a coalition of the minors. Considering that, according to Cullen, we’ve had surplus’s of $52 billion in the last 9 years and now there’s none left (and we’re going to have to borrow another $30 billion in the next 4 years), I really want to see what these idiots do when times are tough and they can’t squeeze any more tax out of people earning over 60k. It will be sad, but it may just be the lesson NZ needs to make sure that the ‘Left’ and friends can’t get their hands on our money for a very, very long time.
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October 23, 2008 8:57pm
francis

Just use the link in the code, you can see it full screen 😉

Tim, I’d like to have a conversation with you, can you get DPF to put us in touch?
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October 23, 2008 8:57pm
burt

The link is

http://www.youtube.com/v/PR70ACrFaE4&hl=en&fs=1
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October 23, 2008 9:04pm
idiotboy

3 news poll was most accurate last election, roy morgan second most accurate. colmar brunton and fairfax polls both very inaccurate.

link: http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2005/3898/

What has national got left now anyways? What with Lockwood Smith’s comments, more secret tapes to come, a student allowance policy that’s not as good as Labour’s, a leaders debate which Key can’t win just because he didn’t lose as badly as everyone thought he would…
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October 23, 2008 9:20pm
Helensphotogenicimposter

No, the Herald digipoll was the most accurate the last election.

And I was older 3 years ago!
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October 23, 2008 9:32pm
Patrick Starr

idiotboy. are you after an airfare – or a gun?
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October 23, 2008 9:37pm
Helensphotogenicimposter

I had a look at the CTU advert. The accuracy is poor. They clearly need a history lesson.

They claim the Huntly power station amongst most of NZs electricity generation was sold. When in fact most of it is still owned by the government.

They ignore the fact that David Caygill sold Telecom. Cullen was the Associate minister of finance.

They have no recollection as to what a joke the NZ railways and for that matter most government departments were when they were heavily run by union labour. They all bled cash and stripped assests off all NZers. By 1984 the government could not borrow any more. It was Rogernomics or the IMF. After Douglas stepped down in 1989 none of his policies have been reversed. So what does that tell us!

I could go back further and talk about disturbing footage of starving sheep being shot because union workers refused to process them in the meatworks, or tonnes of raw milk being discharged into the environment after striking dairy factory workers let it go off!

I could go back a little bit further and show
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October 23, 2008 10:14pm
convicted radical

Hey, Tauranga Boys was most accurate.

Look at where each polling company scores; every one of them is consistent.

Ergo, status quo remains.

The big unknown is the seat electorate – Maori getting seven, Labour loosing Auckland Central and Mt Roskil, will Jim win Wigram, who os going to win Rimutaka?

The ‘list’ goes on!
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October 23, 2008 10:24pm
dog_eat_dog

Ah Auckland Central. That’s going to be fierce. I’m still not sold on Kaye, but the Lizard has to go. Where are those minor parties when you need them?
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October 23, 2008 11:05pm
georgebolwing

At what point will Labour turn on the Greens?

Clark and Co must know that a Labour/Green/Progressive/Maori government is (a) unlikely to last three weeks, let along long enough to write a budget and (b) be far to radical for most Labour supporters.

It is clearly in Labour interests to get NZF and United’s vote up and the Green’s down. How will they do that?
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October 23, 2008 11:17pm
polemic

Ahhhh – you can always trust the New Zealand First/Labour Axis to pledge its way out of trouble.

You can trust the NZF/Labour axis to have the business nous to run the country becaquse they got a whole heap of union organizers to fall back on.
In fact the fact remains that they have probably very effectively ruined many businesses just like they have run the country dry in such affluent conditions.

A vote for Winston = a vote for Labour = a vote for corruption.
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October 23, 2008 11:26pm
polemic

But your right- just picture the scene all suits and ties are banned and every labour party MP has to comply with the following codes of conduct.
Every member of the Labour/Green Axis must,
1) Hug one tree per day.
2) Hug every member of the same sex when first met during the day.
3) Hug every naughty kid seen during the day at school or at home
4) change their shower hose so no more than 4 litres per minute comes out of their own shower.
5) Change the water cylinder so it nevers heats up more than enough to have one shower per hour
6)Eat healthy snacks etc.
7)Put in solar water heating.

A vote for the Greens is a vote for Labour!!
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October 23, 2008 11:42pm
Moonfish

It is funny but CTU haven’t let the truth get in the way of good propaganda. That’s probably the point though, people will still believe lies and if it’s wrong enough people will complain, getting them more publicity. If only I diddn’t need my unions indemnity insurance I wouldn’t have helped pay for it, what a waste of union members fees!
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October 23, 2008 11:55pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

National should being in legislation to stop unions wasting their members money on pointless ad promoting a failed Labour government.
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October 23, 2008 11:57pm
Duxton

Chicken Little: “I really want to see what these idiots do when times are tough and they can’t squeeze any more tax out of people earning over 60k.”

It’s quite simple really: they’ll just tax them more, and more, and more….
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October 24, 2008 6:08am
NZTed

I’m thrilled that the CTU has publish this ad. For a political pundit it’s amusing parody. For the average joe it’s incomprehensible rubbish.

After 9 years they’ve got nothing!

No policy
No ideas
No direction

Not a sausage!

These ads are a mildy amusing, though somewhat sad, admission of defeat.

BUWAHAHAHAHAHA
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October 24, 2008 6:24am
goodgod

Ah Auckland Central. That’s going to be fierce. I’m still not sold on Kaye, but the Lizard has to go. Where are those minor parties when you need them?

The Greens: Denise “I don’t want to be elected, just getting party vote up” Roche
Labour: Judith “Minister of cars, don’t know nuffing about cars” Tizard
National: Nikki “social liberal” Kaye
ACT: Scott “number 60 on the list” Uren.

Fierce? It’s merely a race to see how fast Tizard can be thrown out for Kaye. This is Auckland Central and these are the candidates the parties are running? ACT should have a major player in this part of the game!
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October 24, 2008 7:01am
Chicken Little

Indeed Duxton, however there comes a time……….etc, etc, etc.

I love it how the Axis supporters always look to the past. They squeal – ”National in the 90’s’, ‘Douglas in the 80’s’, ‘last time the polls said’. whereas those on the Right seem to look more to the future. We seek improvement. The Axis works on fear. As NZTed says above – That’s all they’ve got.
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October 24, 2008 7:01am
somewhatthoughtful

dad4justice you make teh intertubez fun!
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October 24, 2008 10:41am
PhilBest

# Ratbiter (31) Vote: Add rating 1 Subtract rating29 Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 6:52 pm

“Frighteningly realistic…

(Because they WILL sell everything and cut services to pay for your tax bribe that you are all going to vote for. Let’s not kid ourselves that anything to the contrary is anything but “marketing.”
And when it’s all over, Key will be sipping long Island Iced Teas on the beach in Hawaii, while his helpers teach the local boys how to use NZ$50s as toilet paper… )”

NO, Ratbiter, THAT is what John Key and every other clever, wealthy NZ-er will be doing after NZ’s next socialist government, either straight after this election, or soon after a future one, has completely finished off the NZ economy and gone broke, with not enough tax revenue to pay the civil servants or the beneficiaries or the cops or to keep the power on; and unable to find any international lenders who will touch them with a barge-pole; and the IMF have sent the receivers in.
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October 24, 2008 4:33pm
PhilBest

Oh, and I would add to that, some economist, I think from the Von Mises Institute, once said that the sign that will tell us that the end is near is when all the socialist politicians who have caused the mess have Swiss bank accounts………
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October 24, 2008 4:34pm
coolas

National’s pledge not to sell assets needs pushing
Craig Foss who holds the Tuki Tuki seat says Governments 50% share in Napier airport is up for sale.
That’s an asset.
What others are on the inventory?
The High Country DOC estates?
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October 24, 2008 5:13pm

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