General Debate 28 March 2011

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Monty

an exciting week for Goff ahead – I wonder if he will first be fed to the dragons. What positions will he take by the end of the week?

When will Labour Blame John Key for the mess Labour are now in. And what intructions are being received from the New York Branch?
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March 28, 2011 8:01am
malcolm

Three cheers for the long-suffering police and the people of Napier. Not a nice job, but I surely appreciate them.

Note to criminals and morons: twice point a gun at police and they might just shoot you. If we’re lucky.
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March 28, 2011 8:06am
big bruv

A very good start to the week.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4816344/Police-shoot-gunman-dead-in-Hawkes-Bay
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March 28, 2011 8:06am
Lance

I guess actions DO have consequences!

Who would have thought?
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March 28, 2011 8:17am
Murray

Yes and now the crinminal cuddling left will be doing everything they can to attack the unfortunate officer and encouraging the family of the soon to be “victim” to take a civil action against him.
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March 28, 2011 8:28am
Dave Mann

The reason the cops had to chase this guy is that they had to retreat the first time to their car to access their firearms and fill out all the forms, get radio permission to load them, check what theTreaty guidelines are, ensure that no wildlife might get disturbed in their habitat by gunfire and so on…. By which time the offender had driven away.

Bloody good shooting to hit him with a handgun the second time though after all that driving and chasing etc and the adrenalin which would have been involved.

Guess what…. there is now a homicide investigation! OK, it night be a formality, but FFS who would want to be cop in this country?
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March 28, 2011 8:35am
Nookin

Dave
You forgot the notified applied for consent to discharge lead in a rural area.
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March 28, 2011 8:37am
Brian Smaller

I wonder which left wing politician will let everyone know this particular Constable A’s name?
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March 28, 2011 8:38am
Murray

Will he be billed for the increase in his carbon footprint?
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March 28, 2011 8:38am
Nookin

Application! Not seeing well this a.m.
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March 28, 2011 8:41am
Dave Mann

Actually, on a more serious note about firearms for the police….. the point of having the police force in the first place is to protect the PUBLIC from criminals. Obviously, we don’t want to have our police shot for humanitarian and organisational reasons etc, but the main point is that they should be there primarily to protect US, not the CRIMINALS.

This policy of not routinely arming the police is absolutely counter to their (presumed) function of protecting us from the criminals. During this car chase, for example, how many innocent citizens might have been hurt if the perp had lost control of his car? The permutations are unending of course….. but the point is that by not routinely arming the police we are actually not only making life more dangerous for them, but more importantly, we are making life more dangerous for the public and preventing the cops from doing the job that they are supposed to be doing on our behalf.
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March 28, 2011 9:09am
joana

The muslim brotherhood is taking over in the new Egypt.
Iran has designs on Libya….what a surprise.
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March 28, 2011 9:11am
Murray

And the west is providing air cover for the MB in Lybia. Welcome to the results of liberal white guilt and the assumption of liberals that they are morally superior.
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March 28, 2011 9:21am
wreck1080

Who thinks this should be attempted murder? I do…

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10715406

A 67-year-old who tried to quieten down boy racers near his campsite was punched in the face so hard that both blood vessels in both his eyes burst.

Any 18 year old who think they can assault the elderly like this need to be removed from our society for a long time.
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March 28, 2011 9:27am
starboard

Liarbors David Parker..liarbors apparent saviour…didnt H Clark stand him down at some stage during her tenure? Doesnt he have a dodgy background? Is he suitable leader material ?
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March 28, 2011 9:32am
Murray

Doesn’t being a labour party member qualify as having a dodgy background starboard?
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March 28, 2011 10:00am
hj

The left lost in the wilderness
—–
Comment from Bowally Road
Anonymous said…

“The problem with radicals (of left or right) is that it never occurs to them that their understanding of the world might be incomplete, or simply wrong. In that sense radicals are like over-confident teenagers or undergraduates – or religious fundamentalists.”

This so accurately describe Bradbury and co. I tend to blame it, as you have previously written, on the infiltration of the old left by over-educated university graduates armed with the theory but no practical experience of the working class who felt they had to take up the mantle but corrupted socialism with indigenous and minority rights issues.

His blog is a reflection of this and is nothing but an angry rant devoid of analysis. Bomber even had to close his comments section
after people started posting torture and death threats on it which, while extreme were simply a reaction to his personality.
http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2011/03/oh-for-well-mannered-left.html#comments

“workers (“red-necks”) just shut the *^up and p.a.y.e”
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March 28, 2011 10:01am
hj

Beneath the working class you have the demanding class as well represented by Phill U; a group whose existence is based on lots of spare time and energy to infiltrate politics and a reality based on a statistical image.
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March 28, 2011 10:20am
wreck1080

Hey dpf, whaddya think of this…

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10715406

Child alcohol abuse up nearly 20pc

Lowering the drinking age has been a success, for the booze barons.
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March 28, 2011 10:31am
MyNameIsJack

Quote of the Week.

Sarah Palin has become the political equivalent of Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction. America regrets the one night stand they had with Palin, but now she has broken into our house and is ready to boil our bunny. Sarah Palin is America’s ultimate political stalker.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/chris-matthews-sarah-palin
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March 28, 2011 10:33am
emmess

Look at these retards
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10715342

They want to leave the oil in the ground so how does that stack up with this statement

Peter Williams, QC, told the crowd foreign companies shouldn’t be allowed to come here and “steal our oil”.

That’s like saying don’t take my mouldy bread, I don’t want it anyway but you can’t have it either.
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March 28, 2011 10:40am
Murray

So phil u’s place as a non-entity link whore has been taken by mynameisjackboot.

Who could have seen that coming… aside from everyone.
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March 28, 2011 10:48am
RightNow

Heh MNIJ, I keep forgetting Palin exists, thanks for being obsessed with her and reminding me how much she rankles the unhinged.
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March 28, 2011 10:48am
Grendel

actually the quote of last week was an email to Radio NZ my ex told me about.

they read it over the air.

“obama has launched more missiles than any other Nobel Peace prize winner”
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March 28, 2011 12:45pm
voice of reason

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10715432

5 weeks on and the debacle continues
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March 28, 2011 12:46pm
Michaels

hahahehe

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10715438
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March 28, 2011 1:05pm
hj

The deal has left former owners John Butterfield and Ian Mackenzie well cashed up. It follows their sale last year of the Westpac Canterbury Centre for $30 million (a little more than two years after buying it for $18 million on a yield of around 9%).

The pair have been spending much of their time in Fiji where they own properties and boats, travelling, and in Mr Butterfield’s case, indulging in his helicopter flying hobby, collecting luxury cars and buying diamonds for his wife.
http://www.nbr.co.nz/home/column_article.asp?id=20229&cid=16&cname=Property

Maybe he donated to the Earthquake recovery appeal?
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March 28, 2011 1:58pm
backster

I’m a bit puzzled, for the past week the media have repeated emphazied that the naked male fleeing from the predation of Dorian Hughes was an 18 year old MAN. Todays headline on Stuff is Police Shoot TEENAGER. he was 19.
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March 28, 2011 2:44pm
gravedodger

Hey bloggers, I wonder how the Labour leadership is getting to grips with the discussion on Mr Goffs handling of the naked truth.
Trev hope your bloody femur is not hurting too much, get well, best wishes, you missed a great show last week at amateur night, any updates.
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March 28, 2011 3:15pm
Manolo

The Left’s idea of “freedom of expression”.

The liberal group Media Matters has quietly transformed itself in preparation for what its founder, David Brock, described in an interview as an all-out campaign of “guerrilla warfare and sabotage” aimed at the Fox News Channel.

The group, launched as a more traditional media critic, has all but abandoned its monitoring of newspapers and other television networks and is narrowing its focus to Fox and a handful of conservative websites, which its leaders view as political organizations and the “nerve center” of the conservative movement. The shift reflects the centrality of the cable channel to the contemporary conservative movement, as well as the loathing it inspires among liberals — not least among the donors who fund Media Matters’ staff of about 90, who are arrayed in neat rows in a giant war room above Massachusetts Avenue.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51949.html
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March 28, 2011 3:27pm
Manolo

Stone Age people of Aotearoa, unite!
How much “koha” would it take to change their minds?

This afternoon a support flotilla of 20 yachts, kayaks, tinnys and tira waka escorted a group of four yachts heading to Whangaparāoa Bay by Cape Runaway on the East Cape of the North Island to join te Whānau-a-Apanui in their campaign to defend the coast from deep sea oil exploration.

Representatives of the iwi spoke, sang and gave a powerful haka to farewell and bless the flotilla. Leaders from Ngāti Porou, Ngāi Tai, Ngāpuhi and Ngāti Kahu announced they all stand behind the iwi in solidarity opposing deep sea oil drilling.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1103/S00255/rousing-send-off-for-flotilla-opposing-deep-sea-oil-drilling.htm
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March 28, 2011 3:39pm
tristanb

This afternoon a support flotilla of 20 yachts, kayaks, tinnys and tira waka escorted a group of fo…

These people must have really flexible jobs that they can continue to take so much time off work for all these protests. Whenever I read about hikoi and marches I always realise that I’m stuck inside at work on a sunny day. I’m sure that tin boats will not be the only tinnies being used on the water today.
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March 28, 2011 4:04pm
Manolo

Interesting comments about the idea of Earth Hour celebrated last week.

Why so grumpy about Earth Hour again this year? Because I don’t like being preached to about what I should be doing, especially when I already do it. For starters, in my house, we celebrate Earth Hour every day, like no doubt many of you do. How so? We don’t leave lights on in rooms that nobody is in, we don’t waste gas, we volunteer to clean up the riverwalk, and we plant trees because we like trees — not because we’ve fooled ourselves into believing that planting trees is our noble contribution towards helping make Al Gore’s mansions carbon-neutral.

As such, I tend to get a little put off when being preached to by hypocrites who swim in their own heated pools, travel in private jets, play sports under bright lights at night, heat cavernous homes they’re not even living in for months at a time, and ride in limo caravans to speeches where they tell the rest of us how our pickup trucks, lawn mowers, hamburgers and 75-watt light bulbs are killing the planet.

Here’s another reason I don’t participate in Earth Hour: I refuse to acknowledge, symbolically or otherwise, that electricity is the problem, and that civilisation can be saved by turning itself into North Korea for any length of time.

The harnessing and generation of electricity is among the greatest discoveries ever. It’s helped make the world safer and more sanitary. Electricity runs the equipment that is used to make the medicine that saves lives. It runs the cameras, televisions and computers that allow us to see evils that are being perpetuated around the world that we might not have otherwise known about — except in North Korea, where you can’t see crimes at night because Earth Hour is mandatory 365 days a year. We should be celebrating electricity instead of pretending it’s some sort of cancer that needs to be cut out of our lives.

The now completely marble-less Prince Charles has referred to a Mumbai slum, which pretty much endures the sacrifices of “Earth Hour” every second of every day, as a role model for sustainable living. I refuse to affirm that kind of lunacy, even symbolically for one hour per year.
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March 28, 2011 4:27pm
Owen McShane

Len Brown and his central planning friends must be thrilled to bits by Goff’s diversion of all political comment away from their “Auckland Unleashed” visions – which are actually visions of an Auckland constrained.

True to form, Aucklanders find themselves embroiled in a debate about how to pay for a few billion dollars worth of central core visions before anyone has come close to demonstrating there will be a need for any of them.

There is no good way to pay for something you do not need.

Auckland may grow but all the evidence from cities of the New World indicates most of the growth will take place in the suburbs, and that the central core will lose both population and jobs.

Christchurch can look forward to being NZ’s major urban economy in ten to twenty years. Auckland is on the path to self destruction because none of the politicians on Council seem to understand that people respond to prices.
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March 28, 2011 4:28pm
gravedodger

Re shooting death at Fernhill Hawkes Bay. The first incident may have involved actions that could be open to different interpretations however the second was just inviting disaster.
Getting out of a vehicle in a rural area, presenting a shotgun at police who I assume were in a marked car with lights flashing, in a police district where the loss of Officer Len Slee is still a very raw memory makes suicide by police a reasonable scenario.
News reports that the dead man was
1 a good young man,
2 a person who had departed Christchurch following the quake, are just mischievous reporting on evidence that would be better kept for the various inquireys.
Yes his family and friends will be devastated at the tragedy but their best course of action would be to use his sensless death as a learning tool as the parents of the victims of youth drink drive related deaths seem to be increasingly doing.
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March 28, 2011 4:49pm
Yvette

“The appointment of a chief executive to lead the Christchurch earthquake recovery has turned in to “a fiasco,” Labour says.”

Most people will have heard about the farmer who found a little sparrow, weakened by winter cold and lack of food, so he placed the small bird in the midst of a fresh horse dropping, which gave it some warmth first, and then sustenance in the form of indigested seeds, so much so the little sparrow soon felt quite good – warm and fed – and chirped loud enough to attracted a passing wolf which was so famished that the small bird went in only one mouthful.

Phil Goof, may however have not heard of this, nor learned the wisdom it contains –
it is not always your enemies who get you in the shit,
it is not always your friends who lift you out, and finally,
when you are full of shit, you shouldn’t make a dance and crow about it.
Nor point out other people’s krap while you haven’t got your own shit together.
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March 28, 2011 4:52pm
thedavincimode

Gravedodger

At least he had the presence of mind to exercise his lack of judgement right next to the cemetry.
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March 28, 2011 4:59pm
Pauleastbay

David Garret

If you are around, I am more than happy to take you up on the $50 bet you suggested last evening,( I have just read your comment), I am easy to find, click on me and its all there, address and name.

What I will say is presently there are at least 6 assaults a year concerning access already, but what really concerns me is that getting wound up over this bill is about the only way ACT can give themselves any sort of profile. They are as guilty of playing the race card as the drunken narccissistic dwarf, which is frankly showing how bare the ACT cupboard is.

It was frankly embarrassing watching the television where those inane attempts at changing the bill by Calvert were continually put to a party vote. It was nothing other than an inordinate waste of time.

If ACT are serious about being any sort of player in the next government one would have thought that members would be attempting to portray themselves as positive on issues.

For a party with a supposed business membership they have been very quite regarding actions moving on the re-construction of Christchurch for example. I would have thought with all the business brains they would have all the private sector contacts to make a big noise in the house with big ideas.

Instead we get ACT playing the race / fear card… you will have to pay for the beach, you’ll get assaulted by Maoris if you go to the beach. That shit is infantile and no better than NZF wanking on about Asians.

And dear me couldn’t our economy do with some money from off shore investing in NZ at the moment…
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March 28, 2011 6:57pm
bereal

After watching TV news tonight i despair that New Zealand is the country most f**ked
up on earth by political correctness.
Dave Mann 9.09 am, and gravedodger 4.49 pm make fair points regarding the shooting
in Hawkes Bay.
But TV News tonight is fixated on one aspect, “Who fired first ?” FFS
If we live in a country where you can point a shotgun at a police officer and then have the PC
handringers thinking this is kind of like , who threw the first punch in a barroom brawl , is there any
hope ?
i’ll spell it out for the PC brigade. Point any weapon at a police officer, for any reason whatever
and you will be shot.
i dont give a s**t how many shots the police fired at this person.
As soon as this message gets out the better.
TVNZ and 3 are doing the citizens of NZ a sick dissevice by even worrying about who shot first
let alone making that the major issue in their coverage.
Why couldn’t they have taken the line that, hey this bloke presented a shotgun at an officer, he got
shot, what did he expect ?
They dont/cant see it that way in PC NZ.
Fucking sickening.
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March 28, 2011 7:02pm
Caleb

imagine what the policemans wife is thinking.

thank god he did not get shot.

is he going to loose his job?

is he going to get charged?

could he go to prison?

will he be safe in prison?

how long is this all going to take? the investigation, inquiry, coroner, media…
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March 28, 2011 7:07pm
thedavincimode

“For a party with a supposed business membership”

Pauleastbay – there’s the problem right there: “business membership” does not equal candidates or MPs that could necessarily run a a fish and chip shop, manage a meeting in a phonebox or beat a baby at chess.
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March 28, 2011 7:08pm
Hurf Durf

Manolo, I remember a year, two years ago, a few days after Earf Hour the media will dutifully tell everyone how much power the good little sacrifices saved by replacing efficient lightbulbs with CO2 spewing candles, and even then it was meaningless. Where has this triumphalism been this year? Come on journalists, be good little Greenpeace supporters and tell me.

And speaking of eco-totalitarian supporting journalists, it’s funny how the Hooeruld had RADIATION 10 MILLION TIMES HIGHER THAN NORMAL AT FUKUSHIMA plastered over their front page today, a good twelve hours after Tepco stated that that figure was misread and wrong. This incident firmly displays boths the obsolescence of newspapers in reporting continually changing situations like that at Fukushima and the inate ideological bias in the old media which people are becoming more aware of and rejecting at an increasing pace.
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March 28, 2011 7:13pm
thedavincimode

Caleb/bereal

The same bullshit has predictably been going on on radio pinko: “police ARE NOT SAYING who fired the first shot …”

Of course, if the cop they spoke to had said anything based upon his present understanding of events that the inquest and subsequent detailed investigation showed to be wrong, he would be pilloried. The “news” wins either way.
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March 28, 2011 7:17pm
Pete George

If the guy presented a shotgun, especially a second time, I hope the police fired first. Number of shots are irrelevant.
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March 28, 2011 7:32pm
Viking2

So Bennets staff are now responsible for her attitude or making sure that its recorded as always being nice. FFS

Bennett blames minute-taker
By Derek Cheng
5:30 AM Monday Mar 28, 2011

Paula Bennett is dismissing criticisms that she treated the country’s mayors with disrespect during a tense meeting, blaming the inaccuracy of the minute-taker.

But mayors who were present, including Auckland Deputy Mayor Penny Hulse, have confirmed the ill-feeling from the March 10 meeting

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10715363
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March 28, 2011 7:42pm
reid

What we need are videos in the car.

That would answer questions like this, cause we don’t know, what his demenour was nor what his actions were, and apparently, no-one but police saw it.

That doesn’t mean the police will say anything other than the facts and hold nothing back, it simply means it would be better if we had 3rd party evidence of some sort.

And we could, possibly, if we had that. Yes, I know the video might have been pointing away. I know some might allege were it there, the video was altered. Etc.

It’s just another tool, could be easily done.
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March 28, 2011 7:45pm
Pauleastbay

Davinci
…………………..does not equal candidates or MPs……..etc

Very sad and very true
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March 28, 2011 7:48pm
reid

This is not the first time Ms Bennett has been the target of recorded criticisms. In 2009, when Grey Power first met the incoming ministers, she was described as needing to “shape up her obligations”.

“It appears she thinks a loud laugh will solve all questions put to her and this meeting was a complete waste of her time. Well, it certainly was a waste of ours,” the Grey Power notes said.

From V2’s link, where Grey Power relates another occasion where Bennett’s skillset came into play.

It’s never a good idea is it, to do what she did on both occasions in the way she did it. If she had to say: “the taskforce needs to take a backseat since ChCh happened,” why not say that? Why get all rambunctious? I’ve always wondered if Bennett has the finesse to get further on her own merits, since she’s ridden Key’s shirttails all her career. When he goes, will be her test. I’m not sure she’ll do all that well, quite frankly.
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March 28, 2011 7:52pm
Viking2

Interesting commentary about the NSW elections by Bob Carr.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/party-rout-a-work-of-genius/story-fn59niix-1226029026230
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March 28, 2011 8:09pm
noodle

Just thinking about name suppression and found out the name of the comedian on the web very easily. Mentioned this to my teenager who rolled her eyes and said everyone knows this already. Young and immature people who watch his progress and who are interested in such crap programs already have the ability to web search and find information that appeals to them. So who does name suppression really protect.
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March 28, 2011 8:33pm
Viking2

Yee Gods I find myself agreeing with Jamberton. Holy crap.
Not for the same reason as him though!
Government, not quake, caused greatest deficit in history

Monday, 28 March 2011, 1:02 pm
Hon Jim Anderton
Government, not quake, caused greatest deficit in history
Claims that the ‘biggest budget deficit in history’ are all a result of the Canterbury earthquake are untrue and designed to conceal the devastating effects of last year’s bad economic decisions, says Christchurch MP Jim Anderton.

John Key told TVNZ today that the May 19 budget will include the biggest deficit in history “Mainly because of the cost of the rebuild and recovery in Christchurch. “We need to pay for the earthquake, it’ll get booked to the account straight away,” he claimed.

But Jim Anderton says the Prime Minister’s claims are untrue.
http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1031&sid=391fe166e9d75a2d112ed82d5d9b7e0d&p=34803#p34803
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March 28, 2011 8:50pm
kowtow

According to TVNZ…….

if you are 18 and running naked from a house you are a “man”……..
if you are 19 and shot by the cops you are a “teen “.

Time to privatise.
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March 28, 2011 8:53pm
reid

Time to privatise.

RadioLeftWing in my own personal hallucination has improved remarkably in balance esp since the appointment of Mercep to Morning Report.

Granted he’s no Hooton or Whale but I think Coleman might have been busy behind the scenes from that appt and also the editorial lines.

IF we privatise RNZ we lose advert-free astute news. Are you really saying you don’t get annoyed by Live’s and ZB’s incessant irritating and uninformative ad breaks.

Personally I’m happy to pay a few cents now and then for what we get, from RNZ. What I’m not happy about is the beholden to political winds phenomena which we continually witness and it’s a bedeviling question as to how one avoids that while using public money.

But I’m not happy to throw it away.
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March 28, 2011 9:07pm
kowtow

reid
I cannot listen to commercial radio. There is also very little RNZ/Voice of Aotearoa that I can stand either.At least I’m not paying for the commercial broadcasters. TVNZ is simply shit and should be dumped.
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March 28, 2011 10:33pm
magic bullet

Yes – let’s sell the media, in a country that is likely to have an oligopoly or monopoly in the matter of a decade! What Brilliant foresight you kiwiblog stalwarts have. I really do despair for the future of our democracy with such callous attitudes as Mr Privatise shows above. Information is the lubricant of democracy. It provides a way for whistleblowers to sniff out corruption. I do sometimes wonder if you privatisationists give a damn about democracy at times. Roger douglas undertook a “Blitzkrieg” approach to privatisation, so that the next National Government couldn’t reverse the changes. The thing is,the New Zealand public has never voted for privatisation. In 1987 Labour didn’t campaign for it and niether did National in 1990. In 1993 National got 35% of the vote. Hardly a popular mandate for radical reform. Then in 1996 Winston stabbed his constituents in the back by going with National. You see – people just don’t want privatisation. They want to retain good public services, because they work well, and generally speaking, you don’t sell of capital to pay down debt, unless the situation is dire. It’s a dumb move.
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March 28, 2011 10:40pm
bereal

reid
‘what we need is videos in the car”
Oh dear babe, you have missed the point entirely, so dissapointing. to hear that from you.
We need to understand that if you raise a weapon against a policeman/woman you WILL
be shot. End of disscussion.
That is quite simple, is it not ?
are you one of the PC mob who feel that when looking down the muzzle of a shotgun the
police officer has to say,” Now please drop the weapon, I’m giving you a formal warning
now, that if you dont do as I say I may be forced to use deadly force, and of course nobody
wants that, do we. Not you. not me, not your probation officer, so lets be a good chap and
please put the gun down. AAAArGHHH. You nasty blighter,you got me, now I might have to shoot soon
myself. Just a moment, I need to make sure my video is turned on. AAAARRGGGHHH
oh, thats not fair, you got me again. I wasn’t ready yet.
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March 28, 2011 10:57pm
Gooner

The uncle of the shooting victim:

I’m absolutely f****d off. Why couldn’t they use a taser gun? The cops are getting too trigger happy.

Keith [Locke]. Perhaps you could tell this grieving uncle why police couldn’t use the taser.
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March 28, 2011 11:00pm
bereal

Bye the way,
what planet did this huge intellect, magic bullet, come flying in from ?
check out his purile arguments for his views against privatisation.
Big daddy ( and magic bullet) knows best whats good for you.
He missed the news that communism didn’t work, poor dear.
He thinks that the “committee” will do it better.
With well meaning geniusis, sorta like him as chairman.
Ho Ho Ho.
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March 28, 2011 11:14pm
tom hunter

Yes – let’s sell the media, in a country that is likely to have an oligopoly or monopoly in the matter of a decade! What Brilliant foresight you kiwiblog stalwarts have.

Before arguing with the calm, moderate voices of Kiwiblog you should first toddle over to this nest of right-wing extremists and have a debate with them about how they want to deal with TVNZ and (in the usual brutal language of fascism) put it out of its misery.
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March 28, 2011 11:23pm
magic bullet

unreal sure makes some cogent arguments hey? The public service provider model certainly has its wastages in lost efficiencies, but so many services should not be bottom-line oriented, because it defeats the purpose they were originally put there. i.e. to serve the voting public, who voted for them in the first place, and who have never voted to have them sold off. But yes i know. Privatisers don’t care much for democracy.
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March 28, 2011 11:56pm
noskire

# Gooner (940) Says:
March 28th, 2011 at 11:00 pm

The uncle of the shooting victim:

I’m absolutely f****d off. Why couldn’t they use a taser gun? The cops are getting too trigger happy.

Keith [Locke]. Perhaps you could tell this grieving uncle why police couldn’t use the taser.

If you point a firearm at a policeman do you expect a hug? FFS.
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March 28, 2011 11:56pm
Bobbie black

I agree, I felt two things watching the TVNZ reporting of it.

1. Sick.

2. How ridiculous TVNZ is. Is it a reflection of modern day Kiwi society?

A guy is waving a shot-gun around in public.

He gets shot, oh gee, surprise, surprise, at least the cops stopped him before he killed innocent civilians.

Cops, get it? The good guys. The protectors. The guys who risked their lives to help save others. You know like the guys who got shot here:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2391507/Police-officer-shot-dead-in-Napier

Sickeningly, TV1 as they did after the CHCH earthquake, decide to take the controversial line on the story.

Who shot first? Should the cop be charged with murder?

A SICK JOKE!!

As I have said many times before, shame on you TVNZ.

Get some moral and professional responsibility for f’s sake!
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March 29, 2011 1:19am
starboard

…do what I do..ban tv1 and tv 3 news from the house. I get my daily info off the blogs…dont even listen to the ” wireless “..
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March 29, 2011 4:50am
Manolo

And again we have heard the usual crap line: the person shot by Police was “a good boy“.
If only the families of these young “peaceful” offenders would take more care in their upbringing. If only.
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March 29, 2011 7:36am
Luc Hansen

Before arguing with the calm, moderate voices of Kiwiblog

Tom, I take it you are referring to the tiny minority, such as myself, rather than the rabid mob that you and bereal and so many others here personify?

Self delusion is a wonderful gift, Tom. You are obviously well practised in that art.
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March 29, 2011 10:53am
RightNow

Brilliant self-parody Luc.
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