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labours a joke

I dont know your wife FE Smith so I cant comment sorry. I was referring to the scum natives who beat the elderly householders. Maybe I should I have said “scum maori” ? If not why not? The offenders were maori after all . If maori were not the prime offenders, maybe a white NZ’er, I would have said white trash beats elderly householders.
You see , 9.95 times out of 10 the offender in a case like this is maori. A few of you need to open your eyes and face reality.
Im just pointing out facts.
Dont give a rats arse who I offend. Build a bridge.
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June 29, 2012 5:32pm
F E Smith

laj,

because criminal behaviour is not limited to Maori. Nor is the comparative offending rate for Maori anywhere near 9.95/10. I have had plenty of clients of a European background that have been charged with violence offences.

The only reason to say ‘scum native’ is to cast a slur on the entire ethnic group. To do that is wrong.

I have no problem with you describing the offenders portrayed in the article you linked to as ‘scum’. They are. However, when you say ‘scum natives’ you say far more than simply pointing out their ethnicity. Moreover, as they are most likely only part-Maori, why do you only choose one of their heritage ethnicities to label them with?

I don’t think that you do yourself any favours with such a policy.
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June 29, 2012 5:41pm
Luc Hansen

O_A

I disagree with the left wing ‘war on women’ propaganda slogan and with the language (‘shoved’) and the argument from Contrarian about the invasiveness of an ultrasound as compared with other medical procedures and having an abortion.

You are confusing voluntary compliance with medical advice with involuntary invasion of a woman’s body by the state, motivated by religious prejudice, not medical necessity.

It’s akin to rape, in my opinion.
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June 29, 2012 5:52pm
Leaping Jimmy

Given the opportunity – most aborted future women would prefer life in an orphanage.

But that’s the sum total of NZ feminist thought……much less than 9 months.

NZ women stop thinking before abortions……and left wondering for a lifetime afterwards.

Feminism is crap.

No feminism is evil Harriet. You look at the fruits of feminism and everywhere you look you see negativity and destruction. Feminism aims to separate women from their innate femininity and the result is what we see today, with as one tiny example and there are thousands such as your abortion example, young girls getting pissed like boys and sleeping all over the place because they’ve been taught by the feminist-inspired teachers and lecturers that not to do so is “oppression” and anyone, like me, who argues that no, it’s evil, get’s shouted down by the evil ones as someone who wishes only to oppress.

And the useful idiots who by definition understand nothing about anything but normally number in the 90%+ on any given political movement, completely ignore the destruction side of the equation but lap up the grain of truth propagation by the evil ones that it’s about “fweedom and human wights” and base their entire “feminism: good or bad?” calculation on one and only side of the argument. You know, when you look at it, the useful idiots in this society, as in all others, have got a fuckload to answer for in terms of just about everything bad in this society. Why can’t they just for once, be astute? Why do they ALWAYS have to be fucking mental, so that this, always happens, eventually?
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June 29, 2012 5:55pm
labours a joke

“because criminal behaviour is not limited to Maori.”

I have never said it was.

“Nor is the comparative offending rate for Maori anywhere near 9.95/10.”

How many maori in prison? Whats the ratio maori/white person.

“The only reason to say ‘scum native’ is to cast a slur on the entire ethnic group.”

They do seem to feature magnificently in the stats dont you think.

“Moreover, as they are most likely only part-Maori, why do you only choose one of their heritage ethnicities to label them with?”

You could ask the same of the media/breathless repeaters
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June 29, 2012 5:57pm
RightNow

“It’s akin to rape, in my opinion.”

So is an uninvited grope, in my opinion.
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June 29, 2012 6:07pm
Leaping Jimmy

FWIW my observations on Maori are that they are a warrior race and as warriors, they are therefore risk-takers. And risk takers are much more likely to engage in criminal behaviour, since that excites them.

I’m not talking about bashing someone walking home from the pub – that’s not risky at all, that’s just mean and angry. I’m talking about planning a robbery, for example. That’s the sort of stuff that would appeal to a warrior race.

I wonder how much research has gone into that aspect of the Maori psyche because if you wanted to correct the imbalance quickly, getting into that particular segment of risk-takers would bear immediate fruit, I would think.

I mean if someone’s angry enough to bash someone walking home from the pub, they’ve got major emotional issues which won’t respond to logic in a hurry. But if “the system” had processes in place to identify “the risk takers” at an early stage when they were young, then it could do things, like steer them into dangerous but wholesome occupations, like becoming soldiers, abseilers, adventure tourism operators and suchlike.

Seriously. If you did that assessment on everyone from the very first time anyone ever entered the system beit through the police or welfare or corrections or whatever and took appropriate action on people so identified, I guarantee you would make a bit dent in the prison population and most of that dent would be amongst our Maori brethren. Guarantee it.
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June 29, 2012 6:13pm
philu

according to the stuff article in the link @ 8.12..

garretts’ neighbour said that ‘native’ was/is a favorite racial-epithet/slur employed by garrett…

..i think ‘joke’ is one of the variety of aliases garrett uses in this forum…

(‘native’ is quite an unusual slur..)

..and of course we all know garrett was commenting here before he was commenting under his real name…(as who..?..)

..and having looked at the writing styles/characters of garrett and big bruv..

..i also am leaning to thinking they are one and the same..

..the similarities in behaviour-patterns are also too strong to ignore…

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 29, 2012 6:21pm
philu

“..the most disliked person in kaukapakapa..’

i have been laughing my arse off at that one…all day long..

..and this is how he shall be known from here on in..

..phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 29, 2012 6:25pm
F E Smith

Whats the ratio maori/white person.

51.2% Maori, 33.7% European, 10.8% Pasifika, 2.7% Asian etc in March 2011, of a population of just under 9000 prisoners. So about 4600 people identifying as Maori are in prison, out of a Maori population of 565,000 or so as of 2006. That is a bit under 1% of the Maori population. Maori may be over-represented in the prison population, but the vast majority don’t get in trouble with the law. Just like those of us who aren’t Maori.

And that is what doesn’t allow us to tar all Maori with the same brush. It says there is a problem, yes, but those stats don’t say that half of Maori will go to prison, it says that half of the prison population identifies as Maori. Undoubtedly most, if not all, of those Maori have a significant amount of European heritage as well.

You could ask the same of the media/breathless repeaters

Perhaps, but in this case it is you making the statement and not the repeaters. And you are responsible for what you say, not for what they say. Moreover, I really don’t think that we should be allowing ourselves to be led by what the repeaters say/think.

So, again, call the perpetrators ‘scum’, by all means. Just leave the ethnic identification out of it, please.
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June 29, 2012 6:27pm
Luc Hansen

RN

Don’t worry, courts don’t go by our opinions, so you are off the hook.
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June 29, 2012 6:27pm
philu

and of course what the racists like twitchy-jim ignore..

..is..how many actual maori are there…?

..we are a nation of mixed/blended races..

..mainly through intermarriage..

..most of the scots/irish/welsh/english are now all mixed up/in together..

..as did maori…

..many ‘maori’ have more pakeha heritage than maori..

..and that basic fact renders the racists-calls of twitchy-jim etc. ridiculous..

..but then again..logic never was a strong point of racists…

..phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 29, 2012 6:32pm
Leaping Jimmy

FES, good week’s work. GL.
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June 29, 2012 6:34pm
Longknives

Hang on a minute- Labour’s a joke gets 20 Demirits for “Scum Natives” yet a few nights ago “Honky Motherfuckers” went unnoticed!
Surely not a double standard?
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June 29, 2012 6:38pm
David Garrett

If some kind person would e-mail the instructions on how to work the RIP thingie on Firefox I would be most grateful..

d.garrett@xtra.co.nz
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June 29, 2012 6:45pm
labours a joke

aww gawd..ures back. Over ya little melt down wee man ?
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June 29, 2012 6:46pm
labours a joke

Thanks FE Smith . I ‘ll give it some thought.
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June 29, 2012 6:49pm
F E Smith

David,

it is Remove It Permanently, which is a Firefox addon. You then need to add an RIP with //li[cite[contains(.,’philu’)]] in it.

There are better instrructions here.
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June 29, 2012 6:50pm
Longknives

“my observations on Maori are that they are a warrior race and as warriors, they are therefore risk-takers. And risk takers are much more likely to engage in criminal behaviour, since that excites them.”

Utter bollocks.

“war·ri·or (wôr-r, wr-)
n.
1. One who is engaged in or experienced in battle.
2. One who is engaged aggressively or energetically in an activity, cause, or conflict”

My ancestors the Saxons (not to mention the Vikings) were partial to a bit of scrapping and ‘Risk Taking’ themselves. Yet strangely I don’t feel compelled to punch a 70 year old grandmother unconscious. Oh and more recently my ancestors fought on the battlefields of the Boer War, The Great War and World War II..Do my not ancestors not then qualify as ‘Warriors’?
Why am I then not out bashing Grandmothers?

That people would even try to make excuses for this sort of behaviour is repugnant to say the least…
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June 29, 2012 6:51pm
Leaping Jimmy

David:

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/cash_for_influence_in_the_uk.html#comment-464222

I don’t blame you.

But it will be a shame for the rest of us, on the grounds we have all enjoyed phil getting intellectually defeated every single day he engaged with you. I do understand though, tiresome little prick, that he is.
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June 29, 2012 6:53pm
F E Smith

Cheers laj. FWIW, I agree with your ‘scum’ opinion re the perpetrators in the article you linked to!

LJ,

Interesting viewpoint in your 6.13pm comment.

I mean if someone’s angry enough to bash someone walking home from the pub, they’ve got major emotional issues which won’t respond to logic in a hurry. But if “the system” had processes in place to identify “the risk takers” at an early stage when they were young, then it could do things, like steer them into dangerous but wholesome occupations, like becoming soldiers, abseilers, adventure tourism operators and suchlike.

I think that there is a lot of truth in both parts of that statement. We also forget that a lot of Maori do sterling service in our nation’s armed forces, which fits in with your point re the occupation thing.

I still think that a lot of it has to do with long term benefit dependency. But that is not a debate that I want to have tonight, with the rugby coming up!
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June 29, 2012 6:58pm
philu

“..we have all enjoyed phil getting intellectually defeated every single day he engaged with you…”

yeah..garretts really on a winning streak…eh..?..

..(c.f..the stuff story in link @8.12 am…a portrait of ‘a winner’…that on..eh..?..)

‘the most disliked person in kaukapakapa..’

..both hilarious..and brilliant…!

‘lonely-dave’..heh..!

..phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 29, 2012 6:59pm
F E Smith

RIP can be found here.
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June 29, 2012 7:01pm
Leaping Jimmy

That people would even try to make excuses for this sort of behaviour is repugnant to say the least…

Longknives:

a) understanding behaviour is not excusing it
b) you cannot understand behaviour if you’re trying to judge it at the same time. Basically you either do one or the other. You chose.

In terms of warrior race, you need to look at the different genetic histories of the Maori and the European. The European has had centuries of civilisation and technology, the Maori, as has all the Island races, had only generations. A generation being twenty years. So even by 1840, European genetics has had generation upon generation of living in large civil communities. This makes a huge difference to the attitude of the populations. And its not individuals we’re discussing its populations.
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June 29, 2012 7:05pm
philu

garrett racially insults yr wife..smith..(as you note..)

..and yet he’s still ‘dave’ to you..eh..?

..his ‘right’ politics more important to/for you than the constant racist slurs that flow from him….?

..and did you read that stuff article in that 8.12 am link..?

..these are the behaviours/actions of someone you ‘like’..eh..?

phillip ure
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June 29, 2012 7:09pm
philu

i wonder if garrett will rip for his big bruv and ‘joke’ aliases also..?

(i hope so..)

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 29, 2012 7:12pm
David Garrett

FES: thanks, but it’s beyond me… But then I am nowhere near as intelligent as the phool…

I have the thing downloaded but getting the “content” (Christ that’s an overstatement!) identified properly so it works is eluding me…I will have to wait until Wahine is out next….
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June 29, 2012 7:17pm
philu

is that stuff article @ 8.12 am accurate/correct garrett..?

..did you really do/say all those things claimed..?

..and if it is untrue..why didn’t you sue..?..

..mm..?

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 29, 2012 7:21pm
David Garrett

It’s like being in remission from cancer….the symptoms abate for one day…two days…..then BANG! the cancerous growth is back!

Still, bright side chaps…it’s 30 demerits closer to an eight month ban, so another meltdown should do it…
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June 29, 2012 7:22pm
Boglio

Enjoyed following this conversation until 6:21
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June 29, 2012 7:25pm
philu

bog..meh..!..eh..?

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 29, 2012 7:33pm
labours a joke

Are you handicapped ure? Really..honestly , are you fucked in the head..do you have mental health issues? It seems so.
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June 29, 2012 7:34pm
F E Smith

David,

Hover the cursor over philu’s name and right click. In the context menu you will see an option for remove it permanently. Choose to remove it from the entire site. Then go into the preferences of the addon and choose to edit the rip. remove whatever is there and paste in the sequence that is in one of my above comments.

I couldn’t get it to work on one of my computers, so used that as a workaround.

Hope it helps. It made a huge difference to my GD.
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June 29, 2012 7:37pm
philu

hello joke/garrett/big bruv….’the most disliked person in kaukapakapa’…

..is the stuff article in the link @ 8.12 am true/accurate..?

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 29, 2012 7:38pm
labours a joke

and well we are dredging up the past and having a laugh at other peoples expense..Phil , tell us all about your pharmacy robbing days , how you beat a pharamisist and robbed him whilst armed with a loaded shotgun.
Go on Phil…for once we are waiting to hear from you..
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June 29, 2012 7:39pm
philu

how many different names do you post here under..?..garrett..?

..and why..?

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 29, 2012 7:43pm
Viking2

FES. Clearly you are conflicted like people who make false claims for insurance.
Either a person is a drunk driver as prescribed by the alcohol limit set by law or they are not. Not amount of bullshit word twisting rule bending or outright lies by either the person DIC or their lawyer alters the truth. The TRUTH is always that the person when tested exceeded the blood alcohol limit or didn’t. Yes or No. End of argument.

Its a matter of truth and principle.
Now That may not be the way Lawyers think but it is the way we all should think.

To beleive otherwise is to end up like our previous devious Govt., many of the pollies we have today and indeed the whole Maori bullshit that has been rewritten to revise the truth as recorded.

If you beleive Mc Donads lawyer he is not guilty. He clearly states that, if you look carefully at McDonald and his head down attitude he displays his guilt. The only issue is that he won’t feess up and indeed may well have managed to alter his mind to tell his consciousness that he didn’t kill Guy. Both are telling lies.
The difficulty for the police is proof clear and unequivical.

By the way McD’s wife knows he is guilty. Look at her body language.
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June 29, 2012 7:51pm
philu

y’see joke..there’s yr big bruv/joke link…as one of his constant/repeated lies bruv has claimed for years that i went to jail for ‘beating’ somebody..

..which is a total lie..

..i have never ‘beaten’ anyone…

.(.which of course…joke/garrett cannot say…eh..?..and the press reports say the doctor he assaulted in the islands (while drunk) claims garrett had two bouncers hold him down..while he/garrett hit him..still more ‘class’ from garrett..eh..?..

..and which reminds me of the story he gleefully told here…of his winding up/insulting a young prison inmate…while he/garrett had screws to protect him..(not to mention the power-imbalance/bullying..

..anyone else seeing the joke/garrett/bruv patterns here..?..)

..and i never owned/used a ‘shotgun’…(garretts been watching too many geezer-movies..eh..?..that guy ritchie has a lot to answer for..)

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 29, 2012 7:52pm
Viking2

Green Party calls for Dotcom inquiry
CHARLES ANDERSON
Last updated 18:20 29/06/2012

The Green Party is calling for an independent investigation into the raid on internet mogul Kim Dotcom’s house which seemed like a scene from a “bad Hollywood movie”.

Green Party police spokesperson David Clendon said the actions of the police in connection with the Dotcom case needed to be scrutinised by an agency such as the Independent Police Conduct Authority.

In the High Court yesterday, Justice Helen Winkelmann ruled the high-profile police raid that ended in the search and seizure of a large amount of Dotcom’s property was done with invalid warrants.

US authorities claim Dotcom and his three co-accused Mathias Ortmann, Fin Batato and Bram van der Kolk used the Megaupload website and its affiliated sites to knowingly make money from pirated movies and games.

They have charged him in the US with multiple copyright offences.

So, now that Winkleman H has stood up to these bullies the Yellow Greens have come along to add their voice to the noise.
While the more the better we need to ask them why they didn’t the day it happened.
Some of us could see that it was illegal within minutes of it being made public. (and not even a useless fucking lawyer to boot.)

The people who are supposed to support and ensure the freedom of NZ cictzens take how long. When is shearer and co going to call for an enquiry?
When is Key going to boot out those in charge and ask them for compensation becuase they are all proffessionals and proffessionals need have their insurance or have the companies and Law Society etc already withdrawn from that debate.

If I or my staff make a stuff up in my business we pay. Why the hell shouldn’t they.

“Given that our police and Crown lawyers were working on behalf of the United States they should have made certain that New Zealand’s laws weren’t trampled on,” said Mr Clendon.
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June 29, 2012 7:59pm
nasska

All the organs of the body were having a meeting, trying to decide who was the one in charge. “I should be in charge,” said the brain, “Because I run all the body”s systems, so without me nothing would happen.” “I should be in charge,” said the blood, “Because I circulate oxygen all over so without me you”d all waste away.””I should be in charge,” said the stomach,”Because I process food and give all of you energy.” “I should be in charge,” said the legs, “because I carry the body wherever it needs to go.” “I should be in charge,” said the eyes, “Because I allow the body to see where it goes.” “I should be in charge,” said the rectum, “Because I”m responsible for waste removal.” All the other body parts laughed at the rectum and insulted him so in a huff he shut down tight. Within a few days the brain had a terrible headache,the stomach was bloated, the legs got wobbly, the eyes got watery, and the blood was toxic. They all decided that the rectum should be the boss.

The Moral of the story? The arsehole is usually in charge!
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June 29, 2012 8:00pm
Luc Hansen

FES: thanks, but it’s beyond me… But then I am nowhere near as intelligent as the phool…

So true.
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June 29, 2012 8:01pm
F E Smith

V2,

Greg is not stating is own opinion about McDonald. He is not allowed to do that. So don’t assume that what he is saying in Court is what he actually believes. It might be, but equally it might not be. Greg’s job is to present McDonald’s case, so that is what he is doing.

With regard the drunk driver, you are correct that a person is either under or over the limit. We allow a defence if the drink was spiked or if there is automatism because we require intent as a part of the offence, and both of those situations go towards that. However, the law does not recognise guilt unless there is sufficient evidence to prove it beyond reasonable doubt. So while the truth might be that they were over the limit, if the Police do not get and provide the evidence that they were over the limit then they should not be punished for it.

It is the job of the defence lawyer to ensure that their client is not punished unless there is sufficient evidence for it. End of story. And your accusation about lies is just offensive. Most EBA (Excess Breath/Blood Alcohol) offences that are defended are done on the paperwork. It is a technical matter, no need for lies of any sort. Are you seriously suggesting that both lawyer and client lie to win the case? If you are, then you just haven’t a clue about what happens.

If you are true to your own point of view, however, can I ask whether you inform the Police every time you exceed the speed limit? Or do you wait until/if you are caught?
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June 29, 2012 8:03pm
Steve (North Shore)

The ‘curse’ is back. Must have spent a few days in the hinaki. Unpaid fines for drug possesion maybe.
Friday night an I am drinking BEER and WINE, and lovin it! 🙂
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June 29, 2012 8:09pm
Steve (North Shore)

Phool’s brother has joined the support team, now we await miniphool – won’t be long I reckon
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June 29, 2012 8:13pm
BlueGriffon

You know you have made it when you are quoted in the Daily Mail:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2166019/New-Zealand-reporter-ejected-courtroom-official-objects-gold-sequinned-disco-pants.html

Take a bow Alex Masterley and Viking2 🙂

No wonder real journalism is becoming extinct, who wants to do a 3 year degree on how copy quotes from blogs, twitter and facebook.
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June 29, 2012 8:16pm
Viking2

Another lying person.

Housing NZ communications adviser Helen Corrigan said housing inspectors ”failed to register a dog at the premises” and nothing indicated the Woods had had dogs previously.

”We regularly inspect rental properties and the presence of a dog would have become apparent.

HNZ rarely in the past inspected premises, indeed did not have the staff capability and in my experience and from my inside knowledge, any inspection was done and recorded whilst sitting in the seat of the car on the opposite side of the road. In our local area the two women responsible could barely walk along a flat path let laone up a rise in some of the paths.

I also know of houses that have never been inspected because the relationship betwen the tenant and HNZ is one and the same.
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June 29, 2012 8:24pm
David Garrett

Hansen aligning himself with the phool….birds of a feather and all that…
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June 29, 2012 8:28pm
nasska

BlueGriffon

I’m a bit concerned that this publicity could go to the heads of the gentlemen involved. V2 & Alex Masterley may eschew our company & form an elitist clique after the ‘Mail Online’ has used their comments as expert opinion. 🙂
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June 29, 2012 8:32pm
alex Masterley

Nope,
I’m still here.
Go the highlanders! That and a nice glass of hawkers bay red.
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June 29, 2012 8:39pm
Viking2

BlueGriffon (183) Says:
June 29th, 2012 at 8:16 pm

You know you have made it when you are quoted in the Daily Mail:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2166019/New-Zealand-reporter-ejected-courtroom-official-objects-gold-sequinned-disco-pants.html

Take a bow Alex Masterley and Viking2 🙂

No wonder real journalism is becoming extinct, who wants to do a 3 year degree on how copy quotes from blogs, twitter and facebook.

Ever so humble I will happily accept the apologies to this young lady from those grumpy frumpy sexist anti gorgeous fuddy duddy opponents that have Victorian atititudes in the year 2012. You know who you are so you can go and register your humbleness.

From DPF for making his blog famous in the mother country and showing that some of us still lead the world in womens emancipation freedom from demerits for 10 years would be appropriate. 😆
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June 29, 2012 8:40pm
philu

garrett/bruv/joke…’bird of a feather..and all that’…

phillip ure whoar.co.nz
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June 29, 2012 8:41pm
Viking2

nasska (3,862) Says:
June 29th, 2012 at 8:32 pm

BlueGriffon

I’m a bit concerned that this publicity could go to the heads of the gentlemen involved. V2 & Alex Masterley may eschew our company & form an elitist clique after the ‘Mail Online’ has used their comments as expert opinion.

We will, no doubt and it is no doubt.
You can 1. either join our elite group or 2. team up with luc and Phil and the rest of the deadheads.
Your choice really.
😆
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June 29, 2012 8:43pm
chiz

The trailer for the Total Recall remake is out.
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June 29, 2012 8:44pm
Viking2

Ah alex just disqualified himself. He’s a highlanders fan. Who the hell are they? North of Edinburugh somewhere. Does the mail reach that far?
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June 29, 2012 8:45pm
nasska

V2

Option #1 thanks….where do I sign up? 🙂
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June 29, 2012 8:47pm
alex Masterley

V2
at least I don’t support the blues.
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June 29, 2012 8:51pm
Viking2

No use calling the Secretary, He will be drowning his sorrows in a botlle of Glenfidick as the banner says.
Highlanders 14 21 Chiefs
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June 29, 2012 8:52pm
Viking2

Neither do I. Why would anyone support Aucklanders.
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June 29, 2012 8:52pm
chiz

LJ:In terms of warrior race, you need to look at the different genetic histories of the Maori and the European. The European has had centuries of civilisation and technology, the Maori, as has all the Island races, had only generations. A generation being twenty years. So even by 1840, European genetics has had generation upon generation of living in large civil communities. This makes a huge difference to the attitude of the populations. And its not individuals we’re discussing its populations.

Polynesians have been around for centuries. Population bottlenecks as they colonized island after island were probably more important in shaping their genetics. Its known that the low-activity version of the Monoamine Oxidase A gene, which appears to bias people to risky behavior and is sometimes known as the ‘warrior gene’, has a higher prevalence in maori compared to europeans but when this was discovered a few years ago it produced a shit-storm from people denying that it might have any relevance.
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June 29, 2012 8:56pm
nasska

A mans body was found in Waitemata harbour yesterday. He was dressed in a Auckland Blues supporter’s jersey, mini-skirt, fishnets, suspender belt, high heels and a dildo rammed up his arse.

Police have removed the jersey to save the family embarrassment.
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June 29, 2012 8:59pm
Steve (North Shore)

find any drugs on him nasska?
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June 29, 2012 9:01pm
nasska

I’d say that you would need to be fairly out of it to back that bunch of losers Steve. 🙂
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June 29, 2012 9:04pm
Leaping Jimmy

…Haut de la Garenne, a children’s home on the island, continues to be a hugely controversial topic in Jersey. It’s an episode which Jersey’s critics see as a prime example of the way the island’s elite treats those who dare to challenge their authority….

Lenny Harper, told the world’s media he thought his team had found human remains buried under Haut de la Garenne. He told hordes of journalists that suspicious forensic material discovered during excavation tallied with accounts given by various abuse victims of hearing children dragged from their beds at night who were then never seen again.

the new officer in charge of the inquiry, Detective Superintendent Mick Gradwell, said at his first press conference that there had never been compelling evidence to justify the excavation, and much of what was found there did not suggest murder, contrary to initial police reports.

“There are no credible allegations of murder, there are no suspects for murder and no specific time period for murder,” said Gradwell. To this day, Harper vigorously defends the way he carried out the investigation.

Forensic experts still disagree over whether suspicious material found during the excavation of the home was 20th century human bone or a piece of coconut shell, and no one has ever been able to explain the discovery of 65 milk teeth found in the building’s cellar.

…On Tuesday this week, politicians in the States of Jersey, the island’s parliament, debated behind closed doors whether Andrew Lewis, the minister responsible for Power’s suspension, had misled States members as to the reasons why he removed Power from office.

But at the closed session on Tuesday, States members voted to keep the transcript secret…

Power is adamant he was targeted by an establishment riddled with conflicts of interest. “At the core of it all is the fact that as chief of police I was overseeing an investigation into serious child abuse in institutions run by the Jersey government which were themselves overseen by people who were still in positions of power within that government. In the midst of this I was suspended by the very government whose institutions were being investigated. You cannot get much more conflicted than that. It is not often that an organisation subject of a major criminal inquiry is able to suspend the police chief responsible for that enquiry. But in Jersey that happened.”

It’s an allegation Ian le Marquand refutes. “This simply does not stand up to any serious examination. The nature of the disciplinary complaints against Mr Power in relation to Haut de la Garenne is that he failed to exercise proper oversight over the deputy chief officer of police [Harper] who was acting as the senior investigating officer… By the time Mr Power was suspended he had had no role in relation to the investigation for some months. To therefore suggest that his original suspension had anything to do with his conduct of the investigation is simply untrue. In any eventuality there never was any evidence of criminal misconduct on the part of politicians or the government of Jersey in general.”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/28/jersey-secrecy-culture

Benefit of the doubt. Who deserves it. The “alleged” victims? Or the “alleged” perpetrators? That’s right. Yet who gets that benefit, not just from the authoriti’s, but also from all – repeat all – the compliant – repeat utterly and totally compliant – media? Isn’t that convenient.
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June 29, 2012 9:05pm
Steve (North Shore)

I don’t support them nasska, I am from the Mighty Waikato. I just came to the Shore for the $
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June 29, 2012 9:12pm
Steve (North Shore)

For all of us who feel only the deepest love and affection for the way computers have enhanced our lives, read on:

At a recent computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated. . . .

‘If Ford had kept up with technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving $25 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon.’

In response to Bill’s comments, Ford issued a press release stating:

If Ford had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics (and I just love this part):

1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash. . . . Twice a day.

2. Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to buy a new car.

3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would have to pull to the side of the road, close all of the windows, shut off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could continue. For some reason you would simply accept this.

4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to reinstall the engine.

5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, five times as fast and twice as easy to drive, but would run on only five percent of the roads.

6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all be replaced by a single ‘This Car Has Performed An Illegal Operation’ warning light.

I love the next one !!

7. The airbag system would ask ‘Are you sure?’ before deploying.

8. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna.

9. Every time a new car was introduced car buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car.

10. You’d have to press the ‘Start’ button to turn the engine off.

PS – I’d like to add that when all else fails, you could call ‘customer service’ in some foreign country and be instructed in some foreign language how to fix your car yourself !!
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June 29, 2012 9:13pm
nasska

LJ

Seems that the investigation must have been fairly thorough…it certainly resulted in prison sentences for quite a few of the abusers. The secrecy may have more to do with the potential liability of the Jersey Government who are facing huge claims from the people who were abused as kids.

Ref: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jan/06/jersey-childrens-home-scandal-ends
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June 29, 2012 9:14pm
Leaping Jimmy

nasska, what I suggest you do is look at the allegations, the extensive allegations. Go nuts on skepticism when establishing their veracity. But firstly, familiarise yourself with their extreme horrific detail.

Then I suggest, look at who has been held to account just now.

Then ask yourself, are these people mere patsy’s? Held up to the useful idiot brigade so they might imagine ‘justice has been done?’
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June 29, 2012 9:26pm
Viking2

http://www.couriermail.com.au/money/money-matters/suppliers-reveal-bill-surge/story-fn3hskur-1226411614679

More bill shock for Queensland consumers as power costs surge $400

by: Robyn Ironside
From: The Courier-Mail
June 29, 2012 12:00AM
141 comments

POWER bills are set to surge by more than $400 a year and it could be worse as the state’s biggest electricity retailer takes the Government to court to gain a larger increase.

Queensland’s biggest energy company, Origin Energy, has written to its 430,000 market customers in southeast Queensland outlining hikes in electricity tariffs and a doubling of the daily service fee.
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June 29, 2012 9:34pm
Viking2

3000 Queensland public servant sackings tipped for Friday, Campbell Newman says cuts next week

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland-public-servant-sackings-tipped-for-friday-campbell-newman/story-e6freon6-1226411342956

More to come.

Way to go.
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June 29, 2012 9:38pm
Scott Chris

Its known that the low-activity version of the Monoamine Oxidase A gene, which appears to bias people to risky behavior and is sometimes known as the ‘warrior gene’, has a higher prevalence in maori compared to europeans

Yeah, based on a sample of 17 Maori. The evidence is a bit thin Chiz.

The frequency distribution of variants of the MAO-A gene differs between ethnic groups—as is the case for many genotypes. The variant was found to vary widely in demographic prevalence among different ethnic groups, with around 80% of Chinese, 60% of Maori, 60% of Africans, and 30% of Caucasians carrying the genetic variant. Due to the sensitive political nature of the findings, the research has been heavily scrutinised. It has been claimed that MAO-A may be related to social problems among the Maori. Several objections have been raised, such as the small sample size regarding the prevalence among Maori (17 persons), the extrapolation of non-Maori studies to the Maori population, and an effect only being found in maltreated children. In addition, ideological objections were raised, as well as concerns about announcing such findings in the early stages of research.
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June 29, 2012 9:43pm
labours a joke

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7197483/Warning-on-teen-solvent-abuser

If I see him I’ll chuck a lit match at ’em. Simple fix really..why do the handwringers make such an easy task difficult?
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June 30, 2012 6:01am