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Pete George

Surely not – 20 year low US emissions due to fracking and market forces.
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August 24, 2012 8:05am
Don the Kiwi

Why not?
Obama has reduced economic and industrial activity to pre-WW2 levels.
(off to work) 🙂
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August 24, 2012 8:10am
Falafulu Fisi

Weihana asked on GD yesterday…
What are the units of an elementary wave’s amplitude? What are it’s dimensions?

You must have read this online critique of the TEW theory here? This critique is not peer reviewed. There has never been any critique of TEW that was submitted for publication in a Physics journal. Lots of critiques but they were all online opinions.

I suggest you watched Dr. Litte’s whole presentation shown in the link below.

TEW

Quantum wave of de Broglie, has never been detected. There is never been any experimental proof that quantum wave exist. TEW doesn’t throw out the wave part of the particle-wave duality of the so called quantum wave of the standard QM. It simply say that TEW is what the standard QM think it is, but instead of traveling forward (as proposed by the standard QM), it is traveling in the opposite direction to the motion of the particle. In TEW theory, wave is a wave (ie, TEW) and particle is a particle, where they are completely 2 different entities. In standard QM theory, wave (or quantum wave) is morphed together with the particle as one entity, but it becomes one or the other ONLY when it is measured. It is neither a wave nor a particle prior to the entity being measured. Do you find this absurd or not? It is, because such entity has no identities. Any supposed physical entities that don’t have specific identities can’t or don’t exists.

In other words, particles (which everything in the universe is made up of) do not exist prior to someone seeing (or taking measurement of) those particles, then all of a sudden they materialize or sprung into existence by changing from their wave-particle duality entity (which have no identities) into particles (which have specific identities). Things don’t exist in the universe until it is being measured. This is why Einstein quoted to Neil Bohr (because he found QM so absurd since it is probabilistic and not deterministic), that the Moon is not up there, when no one is looking up. Looking or seeing is measurement (in QM language). So, when one doesn’t look up to the sky, the moon simply is not there. But when that person looks up, then the moon simply materializes and exists since someone is taking measurement (ie, seeing). So, it is absurd and contradictive isn’t it? If one encounters a contradiction in his concept formation about reality, then he/she should check his premises. Physical reality doesn’t contradict itself, but only physicists do. Wave-particle duality doesn’t exist, but it does pop into existence via real particles (ie, wave function collapsed) whenever someone is taking some quantum measurement (eg : double-slit, nuclear decay, photon emission in laser population inverse process, etc,…).

So, Quantum Mechanics is no difference to religious belief. Entities don’t exist (ie, no identities) prior to measurement, but they suddenly materialize or sprung into existence (have specific identities) when one does some measurement?

So, watch the TEW series in that link above and it will answer your question. The TEW equation/s is simply the Schrödinger Wave-Equation (SWE). Dr. Little applies the SWE at the detector and not at the source plus he made an extra postulation. He postulated that quantum wave is a separated entity from the particle entity and they travel in opposite direction. Standard QM says that they are one and the same thing (particle-wave duality) and always travel in the forward direction. So, the answer to your question about amplitude is right there in the SWE. It is amazing to me that physicists attacked a theory that supposed to eliminate absurdities & contradictions in current mainstream accepted theories but not questioning the contradictions right in front of them.
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August 24, 2012 8:17am
Brian Smaller

@Falafulu Fisi – I think you are a brown Sheldon.
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August 24, 2012 8:18am
Falafulu Fisi

Hehe, but I have fun & party more than Sheldon, Brian. Sheldon doesn’t go out at the weekend and get wasted.
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August 24, 2012 8:29am
flipper

Fala…
It is far too early on the last woprking day of the week for quantum waves.

But may be, just may be, physicists are among the few last real scientists who believe that truth is best disclosed by a contest of ideax and theories.
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August 24, 2012 8:33am
bhudson

A woman has been hit by a bus this morning on central Wellington’s Featherston Street…

There have been more than 10 accidents involving buses and pedestrians since Wellington City Council changed routes to allow buses through Manners Mall two years ago.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7540350/Woman-hit-by-bus-in-Wellington

First and foremost, I hope that the woman is not seriously hurt.

It just seems so like Stuff and the Dompost though to conflate the incidents. If they demand menitoning the bus lanes, what it should read is that a pedestrian has been hit by a bus in Wellington in an area nowhere near the Willis St/Manners Mall bus lane changes where there have been a number of accidents since WCC changed the routes.

I guess they think that doesn’t make the Willis St/Manners St problem sound like a big enough issue.
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August 24, 2012 10:07am
Longknives

The childish New Zealand sports media really need to let this Quade Cooper thing go…
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August 24, 2012 10:10am
Brian Smaller

@Bhudson – So another stupid woman walks into a huge, brightly coloured vehicle. Sigh.

I think the solution is to ban public transport. It is just too dangerous.
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August 24, 2012 10:31am
Nookin

Longknives

Agree entirely. I hope Cooper has a blinder. He may be a bit of a prick at times but who isn’t? He can also play some outstanding rugby — and isn’t that what the game is about? The sheer bloody arrogance of some sports journalists leaves me cold. They need to taste a humiliating loss from time to time to bring them down to earth.
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August 24, 2012 10:38am
Brian Smaller

@Nookin – we are probably overdue for a hiding. I still hope we don’t get one though.
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August 24, 2012 10:40am
MarkF

@bhudson. Buses seem to kill or injure many in Wellington. I am surprised the Gweens haven’t gotten on to this dreadful state of affairs and demand an inquiry and proposed the banning of buses! Oh wait………….
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August 24, 2012 10:41am
Steve (North Shore)

Ban stupid people, then the rest can still catch a bus if they wish.

I guess ‘someone else’ will be at fault here
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August 24, 2012 10:51am
Pete George

@Nookin – we are probably overdue for a hiding. I still hope we don’t get one though.

I agree, not this game.

What would do the Four Nations a lot of good, and wouldn’t do the All Blacks any harm, is for Argentina to beat them.
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August 24, 2012 11:11am
Pete George

The United Future party conference is in Auckland tomorrow. Mayor Len Brown will be keynote speaker.

It’s likely to be small and low key but should be interesting to see what they plan to do to raise profile and support. I’m getting mixed vibes but it’s early days in the electoral cycle. It will be what people make of it.

If anyone is curious, maybe interested in checking it out, observe or have a chance to speak, I’m meeting with others beforehand and will be happy to help give you a UnitedFuture conference welcome…
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August 24, 2012 11:41am
Monique Watson

Good luck Pete. Hi to all.

A bit of light Friday reading:
http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/08/agony-auntnana.html
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August 24, 2012 11:50am
Peter

The buses are a scourge. Wellington is a walking city and should be pedestrianized, like central Brisbane.

Send the godawful buses around the outside. They only seem to contain three or four public servants, anyway. They could use a walk.
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August 24, 2012 11:51am
Weihana

Falafulu Fisi (1,978) Says:
August 24th, 2012 at 8:17 am

Weihana asked on GD yesterday…
What are the units of an elementary wave’s amplitude? What are it’s dimensions?

You must have read this online critique of the TEW theory here? This critique is not peer reviewed. There has never been any critique of TEW that was submitted for publication in a Physics journal. Lots of critiques but they were all online opinions.

I suggest you watched Dr. Litte’s whole presentation shown in the link below.

Thanks. I don’t have speakers on me at the moment but will try on the weekend. I have found a link to the original paper, however, which may prove more useful.

I am puzzled though that you refer to Peer Review as a standard for judging its merits given that the idea has received very little traction amongst the physics community from what I can see. Doesn’t mean it’s wrong, just that the author’s peers do not appear to hold the paper in particularly high regard or award it much significance.

It is neither a wave nor a particle prior to the entity being measured. Do you find this absurd or not? It is, because such entity has no identities. Any supposed physical entities that don’t have specific identities can’t or don’t exists.

Yes it does sound absurd, which doesn’t mean it is wrong. Personally I’m not a fan of determinism as it seems to render pointless any debate or decisions as such are just mere reflections of prior states for which nothing can be done. Of course that doesn’t mean determinism is wrong either. But in any case, it seems to me a mistake to deduce a scientific answer from philosophical assumptions.

So, when one doesn’t look up to the sky, the moon simply is not there. But when that person looks up, then the moon simply materializes and exists since someone is taking measurement (ie, seeing). So, it is absurd and contradictive isn’t it? If one encounters a contradiction in his concept formation about reality, then he/she should check his premises.

As Leonard Peikoff would put it 😉

My problem is that notions such as existence, identity, and contradiction are all founded in the plain language of common experience. It does not appear necessarily unlikely to me that the nature of reality on a fundamental level does not accord with our intuitive understanding of these terms.

TEW appears to employ the same mathematics as Quantum Mechanics but using a hidden variable explanation rather than the Copenhagen Interpretation. Perhaps we should just “shut up and calculate” and eventually various interpretations will fall by the way side with new ambiguities rising in their place.
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August 24, 2012 11:58am
cha

Richie Rich and Eddie Hitler are back.
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August 24, 2012 12:54pm
dime

man we are a bunch of soft cocks in this country. im listening to radio sport and hearing “i hope the all blacks dont win by much” wtf???

DIME hopes the All Blacks win by 1000 points and never lose another game in my lifetime!

Also loving the poms and south africans phoning in telling us what bad sports we are. being told that by a fucking pom lol AND a stinking south african – 20,000+ joined the “we want that ref dead” facebook page. they are really good sports.
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August 24, 2012 1:05pm
dime

Eco-friendly, energy saving light bulbs…

who would have thought it? the market works. DIME didnt need labour to force me to use the things. i made a CHOICE and grabbed 40 of the fuckers yesterday. love em.
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August 24, 2012 1:06pm
thedavincimode

cha

This is good news. Richie and Eddie are up there with the all time comedy greats: The Goons, Blackadder and of course, our own Redbaiter. Young Ones was pretty good, but Bottom was a quantum step up IMO (although, I’m a bit hesitant to bandy the word “quantum” around in these here parts after the last few days).
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August 24, 2012 1:09pm
cha

Not to mention Filthy Rich & Catflap.
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August 24, 2012 1:15pm
bhudson

tdvm,

Don’t forget the solo effort on The New Statesman.

And while Filthy, Rich & Catflap wasn’t that great, Rich insisting the the Trivial Pursuit answer to “What is the capital of Iceland?” is “Reykjavik comma Iceland full stop” was a bit of a laugh
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August 24, 2012 1:36pm
thedavincimode

bhudson

Yes, I thought of New Statesman and FRC when I posted that but for me, they weren’t in the Bottom league or indeed Blackadder from Series II onwards (didn’t rate series I as highly).
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August 24, 2012 1:42pm
Longknives

I enjoyed Bottom but Blackadders 2,3 and 4 were for me, the pinnacle of British comedy…
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August 24, 2012 1:44pm
dime

LOVED the new statesman. I even own the box set.

He started the faulklands war to drive up the price of corned beef! how can ya not love him
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August 24, 2012 1:45pm
Longknives

Is saying that I enjoyed Bottom going to upset Andrei??
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August 24, 2012 1:45pm
Pete George

For the first time for quite a while I’ve seem something so (sometimes) hilarious – Mrs. Brown’s Boys.
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August 24, 2012 1:50pm
thedavincimode

edit

Should have added that FRC did have some classics as I recall. I think it was FRC in which they had some sort of TV audition early the next morning and they debated the risk of just ducking down the road for “a quick one”: “just one can’t do any harm” Needless to say, lager frenzy ensued. And was it FRC or Bottom in which they plugged into the neighbour’s gas line?
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August 24, 2012 2:00pm
graham

Bottom definitely had a show where they stole the neighbour’s gas line.

Been a while since I saw it, but I vaguely remember they had to sneak into the neighbour’s bedroom for some reason, and of course got totally distracted by the wife in bed.

And what was the movie where they ran a hotel, right next to a nuclear plant and with a swing set for the kiddies … on the edge of a cliff?
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August 24, 2012 2:07pm
graham

Having said that, for me there’s no contest – The Young Ones by a mile.

I can still recite the entire “Pollution” poem from episode 4 (“Bomb”) perfectly to my wife’s disgust.
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August 24, 2012 2:08pm
bhudson

I agree that Blackadder II, III & IV were much funnier, but I did have it’s moments:

– The Queens of Spain’s Beard with the Spanish Infanta and the interpreter
– the last episode in particular – The Black Seal
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August 24, 2012 2:15pm
Longknives

The Spanish Infanta’s interpreter was ‘Don Speekingleesh’ played brilliantly by Jim Broadbent…(the role of his lifetime!)
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August 24, 2012 2:21pm
bhudson

graham,

Or the letter to the Bank Manager.

Not to mention Rik’s quip to Brian Damage Bolowski when he said “I’m not known for my patience”
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August 24, 2012 2:21pm
thedavincimode

graham

Hotel Paradiso. Hilarious. The radio active fish they scavenged for the hotel restaurant (thought the projectile vomitting scene overdone though), the name of the italian movie star (Claudia Carbonara lol), Eddie pissed on his motorbike heading home from the pub … It was a cracker.
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August 24, 2012 2:22pm
graham

“Bomb” was my favourite, but I enjoyed them all.

“Party”, where Rik gets stressed out when his friends turn up four minutes early to the party – Neil’s one and only friend gets pushed into the freezer – Rik tries to make out how anarchic he is (“Last week we all stayed up until ONE O’CLOCK IN THE MORNING!!!”) …

“Flood”, and Vyvyan sending SPG out to play with the sharks …

“Sick” where Neil gets grown by the “Grow-Anything” Fertiliser …
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August 24, 2012 2:46pm
bhudson

Or in “Party” where the door-knocking-evangelist gets squashed by the sandwich cast aside by one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse.

Or Reggie Balowski the international arms dealer with his “Nah, not in that colour. Know what I mean?” on “Bomb”

Or the TV Detector Man – “Bastard’s the name. But you can call me Right Bleedin’ ”

And I had, somehow, forgotten about Alexei Yuri Gagarin Siege of Stalingrad Glorious Five Year Plan Sputnik Tractor Moscow Dynamo Back Four Balowski.
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August 24, 2012 2:54pm
Monique Watson

A filmmaker is gloating about Baker’s death:”if you go to war, expect to be killed”.

http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/08/local-filmmaker-burstyn-is-gleeful-at.html
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August 24, 2012 3:28pm
RRM

I saw a guy in a suit arguing with the Political Busker about some matter of politics or philosophy the other day in Manners St outside the McDonalds.

I wondered why he even bothered…
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August 24, 2012 3:32pm
Zapper

dime

Reading this thread, I was about to make a similar post to yours. I can’t believe all this “leave Quade alone”, “We should help Aussie rugby”, “A loss will do us good” complete bullshit. F**k that. We’re only talking about sport here. No-one will die if Quade gets booed, no-one will die if we thrash them. We’ve got a very good team at the moment and people want us to lose??? F**k me dead, what were these same people saying in 1998 when we couldn’t buy a win? I f**king bet it wasn’t “these losses are good, just what we needed”. F**k the poms, f**k the Saffas and f**k everyone else. I support a team, I want them to win every game and I hurt when we lose.

rant over

And before I get abuse about getting this wound up about sport, I’m just glad to be reading posts and commenting about something other than gay marriage for a change so let me rant.
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August 24, 2012 3:40pm
Zapper

graham

“Come on Rick, it’s only 5 minutes”

“TELL THAT TO ROGER BANNISTER”
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August 24, 2012 3:41pm
Nookin

I have always wanted to believe that Armstrong is clean for no reason other than the fact that everybody likes to have a hero.

Sadly, it seems that either he or some unscrupulous persecutors (looking more and more likely that it was Armstrong) have destroyed the legend.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/7540277/Doping-agency-says-Armstrong-will-lose-titles
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August 24, 2012 3:53pm
Weihana

The jury found Ikamanu not guilty on a charge of murdering his daughter Seini Ikamanu.

During the trial Crown prosecutor Phil Hamlin told the jury: “Mr Ikamanu was not able to form a close bond with Seini and became resentful, frustrated and angry with what he thought was the spoilt behaviour of his daughter.

“He thought she never smiled at him and this made him angry.”

On March 24, 2010, Ikamanu hauled Seini against a wall, the force of the throw caused severe head injuries that required emergency neurosurgery to relieve brain swelling.

Ikamanu then stomped on his daughter, crushing her pelvis and rendering her motionless and unconscious.

Hamlin said doctors found Seini’s numerous pelvic fractures would ordinarily be found in crush type injures, if a child had been run over by a car.

FFS.

If you stomp on a child and the child dies, I’m not sure I can see how that shouldn’t be murder.
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August 24, 2012 4:04pm
Nookin

An interesting perspective on the process
…
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sports/other-sports/usada-s-travis-tygart-plays-prosecutor-jury-and-judge-lance-armstrong-case
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August 24, 2012 4:13pm
joe bloggs

Big ups to David Collins for appealing the home detention sentence handed down to James Hall for breaking his 4 mth old daughter’s legs in five places

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7541914/Solicitor-general-appeals-child-abusers-sentence
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August 24, 2012 4:43pm
Nookin

Joe
I think you will find that David Collins is out of the picture.
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August 24, 2012 5:08pm
Manolo

The race between a Mormon and an incompetent: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/23/fox-news-poll-race-for-white-house-tightens/#ixzz24PT1ocFj
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August 24, 2012 6:13pm
nickb

F E Smith – in the chance that you are reading this, are you able to post a contact email address? I have a question I would like to ask you that is best for a private forum. Thanks a lot
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August 24, 2012 6:24pm
Steve (North Shore)

nickb,

Contact DPF and ask for the permission of F E Smith’s email. DPF asks Smith.
Smith accepts or declines.

Takes time but is fair
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August 24, 2012 7:00pm
Steve (North Shore)

Ohhh I passed my 3000 comments, most are shit huh?

Where is my chocolate fish?
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August 24, 2012 7:01pm
nickb

Yes good idea Steve
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August 24, 2012 7:14pm
Right of way is Way of Right

I see Sumner Burstyn is reaping what she sowed!

http://www.facebook.com/groups/sumnerBurstyn/permalink/277070135732502/#!/groups/sumnerBurstyn/
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August 24, 2012 7:29pm
nasska

Steve (North Shore)

Don’t worry….there were some pretty memorable ones tucked into your 3000…..Congrats! 🙂
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August 24, 2012 7:31pm
Steve (North Shore)

I achieved something yesterday, I got banned from ‘The Strandard’ by linda (guy with a girl’s name)
Seems he did not like the truth.
There must be someone at ‘The Strandard’ who likes the truth, or are they all a bunch of sad septic liars?

Trevor Mallard needs help
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August 24, 2012 7:57pm
nasska

On a beautiful deserted island in the middle of nowhere, the following people are stranded:

2 Italian men and 1 Italian woman
2 French men and 1 French woman
2 German men and 1 German woman
2 Greek men and 1 Greek woman
2 English men and 1 English woman
2 Pakistani men and 1 Pakistani woman
2 Japanese men and 1 Japanese woman
2 American men and 1 American woman
2 Australian men and 1 Australian woman
2 New Zealand men and 1 New Zealand woman
2 Irish men and 1 Irish woman

One month later, the following things have occurred:

One Italian man killed the other Italian man for the Italian woman.

The two French men and the French woman are living happily together having loads of sex.

The two German men have a strict weekly schedule as to when they alternate with the German woman.

The two Greek men are sleeping with each other and the Greek woman is cleaning and cooking for them.

The two Englishmen are waiting for someone to introduce them to the English woman.

The Pakistani men took a long look at the endless ocean and one look at the Pakistani woman and they started swimming.

The two American men are contemplating the virtues of suicide, while the American woman keeps on bitching about her body being her own, the true nature of feminism, how she can do everything that they can do, about the necessity of fulfillment, the equal division of household chores, how her last boyfriend respected her opinion and treated her much nicer, and how her relationship with her mother is improving.

The two Japanese men have faxed Tokyo and are waiting for instructions.

The two Australian men beat each other senseless for the Australian woman, who is checking out all the other men, after calling them both “bloody wankers”.

Both New Zealand men are searching the island for sheep.

The Irish began by dividing the island into North and South and set up a distillery. After the first few liters of coconut whiskey they do not remember if sex is in the picture, but they are satisfied that at least the English are not getting any.
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August 24, 2012 8:00pm
Eisenhower

Mass killer of 69, Anders Breivik, gets 21 years and minimum of 10 years non parole. Is also subject to a “preventive detention” order.

The headline sentence is a quintessential WTF, and an insult to the victims and humanity.
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August 24, 2012 10:10pm
Johnboy

Just spotted it Steve. Good on you mate. 3000 pearls of wisdom cast to the swine! 🙂
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August 24, 2012 10:30pm
Nookin

Looks like Mike Hesson will have plenty of time to talk to his batsmen. They aren’t away from him for very long
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August 24, 2012 10:40pm
thedavincimode

The Black Crap’s response to Wright’s manifestly honest criticism that they weren’t tough enough or honest enough with each other was a series of snipes at Wright implicating him as the root cause of their complete rootedness and that the new boy Hesson would be able to deliver the missing ingredient that Wright could not. The most recent of these I’ve seen was on Stuff yesterday:

More analysis, more homework and more hard work appear to be the immediate impact that new coach Mike Hesson has had on the New Zealand cricket team.

His first match in charge starts today when the Black Caps take on India in the first test in Hyderabad and, according to skipper Ross Taylor, Hesson has been working as hard with the players off the field as he has on it.

Taylor said while the side did “a little bit” of analysis under recently departed coach John Wright, the Hesson way is far more analytical.

“It’s an area we did a little bit when we played under Wrighty, but under Hess, we’re looking into the planning and structure around our game plan and how we assess each member of the opposition in greater detail. It’s an area I thought we could improve,” Taylor said.

These comments proved to be a reliable portent of what would follow.

68-4 in reply to 438. Taylor 2. McCullum 22 off 27 and caught playing the type of shot he is renowned for: a stupid one at the worst possible time (eg when his team is over 400 behind on the first innings on the second day).

Just as well they spent all that time assessing the opposition in detail. Imagine how bad things would be if they hadn’t.
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August 24, 2012 10:48pm
thedavincimode

Nookin

Look on the bright side. We’ll get to watch the batsmen tonight that we didn’t see in their first innings because we blinked.
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August 24, 2012 10:50pm
big bruv

As bad as the NZ cricket team might be we can all take joy from the fact that Canterbury were beaten by Tasman in the ITM cup.
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