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big bruv

RIP Neil Armstrong.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/7549902/Neil-Armstrong-first-man-on-the-moon-dies
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August 26, 2012 8:10am
Keeping Stock

Indeed big bruv; just posted my own tribute to a remarkable man.
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August 26, 2012 8:19am
hj

Indeed big bruv; just posted my own tribute to a remarkable man.
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Optomists over estimate technology
http://www.kubrick2001.com/
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August 26, 2012 8:22am
bhudson

Watching rerun of The Nation. Cunliffe claims Labour has a different plan to National for economic management and development. Yet, in the absence of clear detail to their policies, he is actually saying that Labour would do what National is currently doing “only we’ll do it better, trust me.”

Hollow slogans and cliches Cunliffe
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August 26, 2012 8:28am
Other_Andy

“Oh, so fallen soldier Jacinda Baker liked boxing and baking – did they forget she also liked invading countries we are not at war with, killing innocent people and had no moral compass”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10829552

Barbara Sumner-Burstyn.
The double-barrelled name gives it away.
A snob and a self-professed member of the nomenclatura, the cultural elite.
Being a Canadian with an inferiority complex, she is extremely anti-American and being an import, she portrays herself as anti-colonial and a supporter of Maori indigenous rights.
She, in fact, backs all the ‘cool’, ‘hip’ and politically correct left-wing causes and riles against anything not fitting her narrow left-wing view.
Anti-white, anti-male, anti-American, anti-Western, anti-fracking, anti-Christian, anti-capitalist, anti-whatever-is-cool-and-hip…..
Another angry, sanctimonious, hypocritical, bludging, delusional Marxist.
What’s new?
Just another Green Party supporter.
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August 26, 2012 8:35am
Viking2

Oh and yes the arbon money extracting Guru’s are sytarting to panic. Carbon credits are worth nothing. The Govt is still buying but the players are finally recognising an Emperor with no clothes.

When the ETS was set up a carbon price of $25 a tonne was considered likely – hence emitters having the option to pay a $25 a tonne carbon tax instead of going out to buy credits. On Tuesday a New Zealand credit could be bought for less than $5 and a foreign credit for less than $4.

Recent information released showed more than 70 per cent of credits surrendered by emitters last year were imported.

The scheme was set up under the last Labour government in 2008 with the stated intention of putting a price on emissions to encourage the economy to restructure towards a lower carbon future. But the scheme, which critics say has made no discernible difference to the country’s emissions patterns, is now to be watered down in a very short timeframe.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/7548977/Foresters-criticise-Govt-steps-over-ETS

So to paraphrase bhudson. Labour will do it better.
If it wasn’t such a serious matter we could actually scoff about that.
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August 26, 2012 8:36am
joana

Sumner Burstyn…What a stupid whore and now she and family are wasting police time..You beat me to it Andy.
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August 26, 2012 8:38am
Viking2

And of course the lefties, idiots and others of the same persuasion will be here in droves today to tell us how the rich don’t pay enough tax.

Inland Revenue has found only half of wealthy individuals worth more than $50 million each are paying the top personal tax rate, despite Government moves to combat tax avoidance.

There are about 250 New Zealanders with wealth in excess of $50m, deemed “high wealth individuals” by Inland Revenue.

New figures obtained under the Official Information Act show a sample by Inland Revenue of 184 of those individuals, taken between 2009 and 2011, found 49.5 per cent had declared they had earned $70,000 a year or more. The rest declared they earned less. Those who earn more than $70,000 are in the top tax bracket and pay 33 cents tax in the dollar.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/7549236/Half-NZs-super-rich-dodge-tax
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August 26, 2012 8:38am
joana

Has she ever heard the phrase..”Don’t speak ill of the dead?”
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August 26, 2012 8:39am
Keeping Stock

Sumner Burston has apologised for her comments. Unfortunately, the two paragraphs of apology were followed by NINE paragraphs of justification, and she couldn’t even spell Jacinda Baker’s name right.

So we’ve corrected the apology for her, and it’s much, much shorter!

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/08/a-claytons-apology.html
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August 26, 2012 8:41am
Luke Mutton

joana (1,382) Says:
August 26th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Has she ever heard the phrase..”Don’t speak ill of the dead?”

Don’t know if she has, but I have.

Its a meaningless platitude, just like the ones Key uttered at the funerals, just like the hand waving of the priests, just like the shit always rolled out about “defending their country”.

Life isn’t about platitudes, its about actions and responsibilities for those actions.

Good on Sumner Burstyn for expressing an opinion, shame that you knobs can’t address her arguments, rather all you can do is attack her, her national origin.

O-A has written the best argumentum ad lablum post in years; lots of labels. No substance, just what we’ve come to expect from the ill educated, narcissistic entitled Right.
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August 26, 2012 8:45am
Northland Wahine

The insensitivity and self righteousness Burston displayed is beyond belief. And of course, she takes no responsibilty abuse hurled at her.

Idiot.
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August 26, 2012 8:45am
bhudson

V2,

Also from that article:

“Revenue Minister Peter Dunne said the figures did not include tax that may have been paid on income from trusts and dividends.”

Let’s see the Left acknowledge that.
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August 26, 2012 8:46am
Viking2

Oh and it wouldn’t be Sunday without the lawyers moaning that thier throats have been cut. Poor quaility Jurors and cut back legal aid.
Oh dear.
More of that needed.
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August 26, 2012 8:47am
joana

Respect for the dead is not a platitude.
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August 26, 2012 8:54am
joana

Meanwhile , men will be banned from seeing a video showing muslim women revealing their faces without veils at the Dowse Art Gallery , Lower Hutt next month.
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August 26, 2012 8:56am
hj

Viking2 (7,405) Says:
August 26th, 2012 at 8:38 am
And of course the lefties, idiots and others of the same persuasion will be here in droves today to tell us how the rich don’t pay enough tax.
………………………….
I’m an idiot:

“Creating wealth, security and financial freedom is often an investor’s ultimate goal. 90% of millionaires get there by investing in real-estate”
New Zealand has strong population growth due to its progressive immigration policy and birth rates. Many parts of the country are experiencing housing shortages translating into strong tenant demand and price growth. This trend is expected to continue with recent population projections by the New Zealand Department of Statistics forecasting up to 64% growth over the next 17 years. Auckland city is predicted to almost double its population in the next 40 years. For property investors, this represents outstanding potential growth in demand and return on investment. New Zealand’s property prices are also relatively undervalued compared to its closest neighbour Australia.
http://www.nzps.com/

PM says ‘no’
Prime Minister John Key reiterated later a land tax and broader capital gains tax were still off the cards. Asked whether the implementation of one or the other could allow government to reduce income taxes to give people more income to spend, he replied:
“At the risk of repeating myself from last year, we looked at a land tax, and land taxes, one, reduce the value of land in New Zealand, by definition, and it has an impact on every single homeowner in New Zealand.”
http://www.interest.co.nz/news/52737/imf-recommends-govt-broaden-capital-gains-tax-base-and-introduce-land-tax-your-view

Savings Working Group – Final Report | 47
The relationship between migration flows and housing prices has been analysed by Coleman and Landon-Lane (2007). They found that a net immigration flow equal to 1% of the population (10 per 1000 inhabitants) is associated with an approximately 10% increase in house prices. This relationship has existed since the 1960s. Limiting immigration swings could therefore lead to a substantial reduction in future house prices and housing debt.
Migration and total private-sector debt
New Zealand’s population growth rate in recent decades has been rapid by international standards;from 1990 to 2007 it was the third fastest in the OECD.
A country with a rapidly growing population needs to devote resources to building more roads, schools, shops, houses, factories and so on than a country with a low rate of population growth. In a country with a relatively low national savings rate, rapid population growth will put sustained upward pressure on real interest rates and, in turn, the real exchange rate, making it harder to achieve the per capita income gains that people (and the government) aspire to.
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August 26, 2012 8:58am
torro

Luke Mutton you are wrong. Sumner Burstyn didn’t just express an anti war statement. She made an ill informed and inaccurate attack on a dead soldier, who’s family and friends are justifiably very upset.

http://chandraosborne.blogspot.com/2012/08/upsetting-times.html?showComment=1345873946842#c3950525892873665039

When challenged she displayed a complete lack of knowledge, and seemed to be using the soldiers death as a vehicle for her own views. Her insensitivity is boundless, and her ‘apology’ on FB lacked sincerity.

She is a New Zealander, a Ponsonby Road latte film maker, married to a Canadian.
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August 26, 2012 8:58am
Fletch

Anti-Obama film doing really well at the box-office in the U.S, earning more per screen than ‘Bourne,’ ‘Expendables 2’ combined.

Dinesh D’Souza and John Sullivan’s conservative documentary 2016: Obama’s America expanded nationwide Friday to pleasing results, grossing $2.2 million to place No. 4 overall behind a trio of holdovers.

The anti-Barack Obama film is now the top-grossing documentary of the year (excluding nature docs), besting the $3.5 million earned by Bully.

Obama’s America came in ahead of three other new films opening at the domestic office: Premium Rush, which earned $2 million to come in only No. 8 for the day; offbeat indie comedy Hit & Run, which placed No. 10 with $1.4 million; and Dark Castle’s supernatural thriller The Apparition, which grossed $1.2 million to rank 12th.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-shocker-anti-obama-doc-365455

1. The Expendables 2 – $3.9 million
2. The Bourne Legacy – $2.7 million
3. ParaNorman – $2.3 million
4. 2016: Obama’s America – $2.3 million
5. The Campaign – $2.2 million

Looks like if the media aren’t going to be honest, people will go elsewhere for their information.
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August 26, 2012 8:59am
Paulus

Can anybody tell me is SkyTV installed on all State houses – having seen a number in the last week for such as fires etc they all appear to have a Sky dish installed.
Is a 42inch TV also included in the rent ?
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August 26, 2012 9:01am
Luke Mutton

joana (1,384) Says:
August 26th, 2012 at 8:54 am
Respect for the dead is not a platitude.

It is if it is “respect” simply because someone has died. Jesusfuckingchrist has been dead 2000 years, and I don’t have no respect for him.
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August 26, 2012 9:02am
hj

“New Zealanders are paying the price for the foreign buy-up of Aotearoa,” said Green Co-leader, Rod Donald. “Kiwi families are paying higher rents, the dream of owning your own home is rapidly turning into a nightmare for even middle-income earners and young farmers can’t afford to buy land.

“Labour admits that over the last few years 2,720 hectares of offshore islands, 57 kilometres of coastline and 157,000 hectares of high country leasehold have been sold to overseas buyers. And that’s just the tip of the foreign ownership iceberg.

“Most residential and commercial land sales under $10 million are not scrutinised or recorded now. The sell-off is only going to intensify because Labour plans to remove that threshold altogether.”

Rod said it was estimated that foreign corporations and individuals already owned more than one million hectares of New Zealand’s commercially productive land area.

“And land sales account for only a fraction of what’s being hocked-off overseas,” said Rod. “Most of our economy is now controlled from the boardrooms of London, Sydney, Singapore, Tokyo and New York.”

Rod is also drawing up a private members’ bill that would mirror the clauses of the petition.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0411/S00228.htm
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August 26, 2012 9:07am
Luke Mutton

Looks like if the media aren’t going to be honest, people will go elsewhere for their information.

Looks like the winner for dumbarsed comment of the day.

People are not going to see the movie due to lack of honesty in the media, they are going to have their prejudices reinforced. A bit like going to church, really.

And Dinesh D’Souza is one of the least honest commentators in the US today. He seems to have his knickers in a twist about Obama being “anti-colonial”, as if that is a bad thing. His only saving grace is that he accepts Obama was born in Hawaii.

Most reasonable people thought it was an ill-advised (and blatantly political) move when Forbes put conservative pseudo-academic Dinesh D’Souza’s ridiculous, factually inaccurate story on the root” of President Obama’s “rage” on the cover. The essay, taken from D’Souza’s equally awful new book, was premised on an obviously malicious misreading of “Dreams From My Father,” and contained gems like this:

Incredibly, the U.S. is being ruled according to the dreams of a Luo tribesman of the 1950s. This philandering, inebriated African socialist, who raged against the world for denying him the realization of his anticolonial ambitions, is now setting the nation’s agenda through the reincarnation of his dreams in his son.

The D’Souza thesis is a desperate grab for relevance by a long-disgraced former star of the conservative movement. And the Washington Post today decided to run a slightly different version of this essay on its editorial page.

http://www.salon.com/2010/10/08/washington_post_dinesh_dsouza/
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August 26, 2012 9:11am
Fletch

Gerald R. Molen, the Oscar-winning producer behind “Schindler’s List” and “2016,” and Dinesh D’Souza, upon who’s book the film is based, should send the corrupt media a fruit basket today.

The corrupt media will likely tell you “2016” is a success because of racism and hate, but the real reason people are flocking is to try and grasp a better understanding of this awful, divisive, inept, and anti-American failure currently sitting in the Oval Office

Nothing we’ve seen over the last four years and especially during this campaign in any way matches the carefully crafted image Obama and his media punks have crafted and bitterly clung to.

The quietly competent and charming no-drama Obama the media assures us is the real Obama is in reality a feckless, ugly, dishonest, divisive punisher of success willing to accuse his opponent of felonies in order to hold on to power.

And so America asks, “Who is this man? Where does he come from? What makes him tick?”

In response, the media just pushes more propaganda.

So we go elsewhere.

John Nolte
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August 26, 2012 9:13am
Griff

Join the forces and end up dead thats a owesome careerer path.
Health and safety should get involved make them put warnings stickers on the bullets and red tape around iuds

Funny thing about invading Afghanistan is its such a shite hole making a war in it just spreads the responsibility for the sand niggers shit existence around further. Only way to”win” in Afghanistan is nuke it to glass
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August 26, 2012 9:14am
kowtow

barabara sumner burstyn

Interesting how she thinks anything she says can be justified as it is “anti war”.

Leftists idolise the Spanish Civil War,it’s on a plane higher than WW2. Even Hitler’s war against Poland and Britain was to be supported as he was an ally of Stalin’s at that stage. The nationalist wars in south east Asia are OK ,against the “colonials” but a war to defend South Vietnam becomes evil.
It’s not the violence that is wrong it is the cause and players.If it’s American it is evil by.

I would not advocate violence against this turd but I am heartened to see there is a very strong groundswell of feeling around this issue. To date the other side have made all the running.

The young men and women in our military deserve our support,praise and respect.
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August 26, 2012 9:16am
nasska

Luke Mutton

It is possible to disagree vehemently with a political position & still retain respect for a person who gave their life defending that position.

Ms Burstyn in her childish haste to attack the USA has caused needless offense to the families of the dead service personal. For that she deserves to be vilified.
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August 26, 2012 9:16am
hj

@ Luke Mutton of the old “enemy within”:

Naturally the molotov cocktail throwing flag-burning peacenicks of the left would slag one of our dead soldeirs. Just get them into their own political party (Mana) and out of Labour and the Greens wr they hide.
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August 26, 2012 9:17am
Keeping Stock

It is if it is “respect” simply because someone has died. Jesusfuckingchrist has been dead 2000 years, and I don’t have no respect for him.

Luke Mutton wins the prize for the dumbest comment of the year.

And here’s something for Sumner Burston, Valerie Morse, Luke Mutton and their ilk to ponder:

It is the Soldier, not the minister, who has given us freedom of religion.
It is the Soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the Soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the Soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us freedom to protest.
It is the Soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial.
It is the Soldier, not the politician, who has given us the right to vote.

It is the Soldier who salutes the flag,
Who serves beneath the flag,
And whose coffin is draped by the flag,
Who allows the protester to burn the flag.
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August 26, 2012 9:23am
Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left

in reference to Keeping Stock’s links at 8:41am

“When men feel free to respond to a handful of words they don’t like with threats of extreme violence then you know we are a truly sick society.”

She’s kinda got a point there…..
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August 26, 2012 9:32am
Luke Mutton

Looks like its platitude Sunday – keeping stock, what a trite load of fucking bollocks. If you believe that, you’re thicker than pigshit. A simple reading of history will show how wrong it is.

It is the Soldier, not the minister, who has given us freedom of religion.

tell that to those living in a theocracy supported by the army.

It is the Soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press.

So they weren’t soldiers occupying newsrooms in Fiji? Ecuador?

It is the Soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech.

You’ve obviously never heard military music, no poetry there. And see above.

It is the Soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us freedom to protest.

Kent State? Yep, THAT proves your point, doesn’t it?

It is the Soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial.

Guantanamo Bay? Hmm, you are right.

It is the Soldier, not the politician, who has given us the right to vote.

And it is the soldier who so often takes away that right, sometimes under orders, but always coming down hard on those who would resist a military dictatorship.

Got any more platitudes? If you keep going like this you’ll make a Minister one day.
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August 26, 2012 9:37am
kowtow

Another way of looking at it shorty is,

when leftists feel they can mock a dead soldier then we know we are a truly sick society. She is free to mock because people like Baker and many others have paid the supreme sacrifice. It is quite understandable that her comrades would be angry and respond.

Rudyard Kipling captures it in Tommy.

http://quotations.about.com/cs/poemlyrics/a/Tommy.htm
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August 26, 2012 9:38am
tom hunter

One day, far-lefters like Luke will achieve their ambition – not just that the military will cease to exist for all practical purposes (as it almost has in New Zealand), but that there will be nobody left who wants to defend him.

Perhaps Luke can toddle over to the Neil Armstrong thread and spit on his grave as well. It would be of a piece with the 60’s “counter-culture” ethos he seems to carry.
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August 26, 2012 9:44am
Luke Mutton

kowtow (2,640) Says:
August 26th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Another way of looking at it shorty is,

when leftists feel they can mock a dead soldier then we know we are a truly sick society. She is free to mock because people like Baker and many others have paid the supreme sacrifice.

I call bullfuckingshit here. Baker’s role in Afghanistan and her pointless death has nothing whatsoever to do with our freedom. No freedoms were under threat at the time NZ soldiers went to Afghanistan, except our freedom to be bullied in the US.

It is quite understandable that her comrades would be angry and respond.

When your solution to any problem is violence, it is little wonder that violence is advocated. How odd that Baker supposedly died to protect freedom but here friends and colleagues will use violent methods to prevent people being free.

It is time to cut ourselves loose from this destructive and wasteful warrior culture.
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August 26, 2012 9:44am
Luke Mutton

tom hunter (3,375) Says:
August 26th, 2012 at 9:44 am
One day, far-lefters like Luke will achieve their ambition – not just that the military will cease to exist for all practical purposes (as it almost has in New Zealand), but that there will be nobody left who wants to defend him.

From whom do I need defending, Tom? Other than the braindead morons who advocate violence as the only solution to opinions they don’t like? Wind up the SAS, give the money to the Police and we may actually make a dent on gang crime in NZ.
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August 26, 2012 9:47am
Other_Andy

Barbara Sumner-Burstyn and her fellow travelers are in ‘good’ company…
Holding the same views as the ultimate ‘anti-crowd’.
Anti-white, anti-American, anti-Western, anti-Christian, anti-capitalist, anti-progress…..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8126357/Muslims-clash-with-police-after-burning-poppy-in-anti-Armistice-Day-protest.html
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August 26, 2012 9:48am
Hamnida

Some sensible views from Nikki Kaye on alcohol reform on Q and A this morning.

Proving that she can work across party lines as she did with mining on conservation land.

Auckland Central has two very strong MPs.
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August 26, 2012 9:55am
Hamnida

Child Poverty in New Zealand – A national tragedy.

20% of all NZ children in poverty!!!

40% of all Maori and Pasifika children in poverty!!!!!

Come on – everyone do their bit.
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August 26, 2012 9:57am
tom hunter

Wind up the SAS, give the money to the Police and we may actually make a dent on gang crime in NZ.

…. and Luke for the win in the stakes of predictability of the mind-numbingly stupid.

But there’s no need to get all abusive and snarky Luke, for you’ve actually convinced me. Your argument has won and you can rest assured that I have no intention of ever sacrificing a single piece of treasure or a single drop of blood to save your worthless hide – not even when you’re facing up to those gangs by pointing at them, ridiculing their patches and laughing at them – you brave little boy!
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August 26, 2012 9:58am
nasska

…”Come on – everyone do their bit.”….

Hear! Hear! Let’s start with contraception & putting a value on education amongst Maori & PIs.
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August 26, 2012 10:00am
Hamnida

naaska – I would support higher levels of sex education, including learning the importance of contraception.

Education – No better way of lifting any group out of poverty.
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August 26, 2012 10:04am
Griff

Child Poverty in New Zealand – A national tragedy.

20% of all NZ children in poverty!!!

40% of all Maori and Pasifika children in poverty!!!!!

Come on – Maori and Pasifik look after your children
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August 26, 2012 10:05am
my 2 cents

tom hunter (3,376) Says:
August 26th, 2012 at 9:44 am

No Tom he’ll cry “what happened, I don’t want to be here!”
As the Mullahs hold his head up by his hair so they can start sawing through his neck like in the videos on youtube.
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August 26, 2012 10:11am
Hamnida

Griff – these are children. They are treasures. Everyone’s responsibility.
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August 26, 2012 10:17am
Viking2

Times are a changing.
Not a single word, not one about the rugby on either front page this morning.
Except for SB bleating.

Has rugby lost its mojo?
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August 26, 2012 10:32am
Brian Smaller

Hamnida – what a load of crap. Keep your filthy statist hands off my children. Those kids are their parent’s responsibilities. Not mine. I look after my own. And what does poverty mean? If you say “not enough to eat” I say you are a bullshit artist. Not enough to eat is a joke in this country. Food is cheap.
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August 26, 2012 10:33am
bereal

Where do these effing morons conjure their statistics up from ?
40% of Maori children in poverty ? Bullshit !

Wonder what % of Maori in general live in poverty then ?
What % of Maori children are murdered by their mothers boyfriend ?
What % of Maori children live in a household supported by a social welfare benefit ?

Pathetic losers like this drong Hamnida claim it is all his/her responsibility.

Hey Hamnida, what are you going to do about it then ?
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August 26, 2012 10:45am
Northland Wahine

I feed and care for mine plus a few extras…

Anyone on welfare who can not feed, clothe, or house themselves or their children are in that position because of debt they can not service. Start a veggie garden, learn to sew, get a job.
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August 26, 2012 10:57am
Viking2

NW, stop drinking and smoking and gambling. See it all the time because they can’t pay their rent which the Govt. has already given them. Pisses me off the W & I are refusing to pay landlords direct as they did under the Labour Govt. Apparently its about teaching the useless to budget. Doesn’t work. They can’t even be bothered washing their kids clothes let alone feeding them.
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August 26, 2012 11:09am
kowtow

Sex education not working.

Society has been undermined by all sorts of claptrap. Politicians are tryig had to fix it with sticking plasters.

Bottom line is we have few values left.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9497270/Sex-education-doesnt-cut-teen-pregnancy-rate-claims-academic.html
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August 26, 2012 11:12am
TimG_Oz

Here’s something I don’t understand about scoop news.

Scoop news claim to have an “Independent” Gaza commentator, which is openly supported by Wellington Palestine group.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1204/S00053/scoop-gaza-independent-breaking-news-website-launched-today.htm#donate

Clearly “Independent” doesn’t equate “Non-biased” in this instance. Why don’t they call how it really is – an Independent Propagandist?
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August 26, 2012 11:33am
bereal

This kid, Luke Mutton @9.02 would appear to be a typical product of the modern NZ education system.

He, ” don’t have no respect for …”

What an illiterate moron.

Also. Come on Hamnida. As you say you are responsible for 40% of Maori and Pasifika children living in poverty.
What are you going to do about it ?
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August 26, 2012 11:41am
Viking2

Wiremu had long heard the stories of an amazing family tradition.

It seems that his father, grandfather and great-grandfather had all been
able to walk on water on their 18th birthday. On that special day, they’d
each walked across the lake to the tavern on the far side for their first legal
drink.

So when Wiremu’s 18th birthday came around, he and his pal Rangi took a
boat out to the middle of the lake. Wiremu stepped out of the boat …and
nearly drowned! Rangi just barely managed to pull him to safety.

Furious and confused, Wiremu went to see his grandmother.

‘Grandma,’ he asked, “It’s my 18th birthday, so why can’t I walk across
the lake like my father, his father, and his father before him?”

Granny looked deeply into Wiremu’s troubled brown eyes and said,

“Because your father, your grandfather and your great grandfather were all born in August,
when the lake is frozen, and you were born in December, you f*#k-wit!!”
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August 26, 2012 12:15pm
Hamnida

I want to do my bit.

Pay more tax to fuel education and health services for children living in poverty.

Ensure every child lives in a dry, warm healthy home.

Make sure they have at least three healthy meals a day and arrive at school ready to learn.

Re-create a paradise for the young.
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August 26, 2012 12:26pm
Manolo

20% of all NZ children in poverty!!!

For some people it’s easier to bet at the pokies and pay the barman than to feed the children.
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August 26, 2012 12:29pm
Viking2

Longest Nerve In The Body

Did you know that in the human body there is a nerve that connects the eyeball to the anus?

It’s called the Anal Optic Nerve, and it is responsible for giving people a shitty outlook on life.

If you don’t believe it, pull a hair from your bum and see if it doesn’t bring a tear to your eyes.

My public service is done for the day!
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August 26, 2012 12:30pm
Pauleastbay

Hey Mikey, if you went to the trouble of changing you name to Hamnida could we at least have some new comments you are just regugitating the stuff you managed in 4000 comments in three weeks
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August 26, 2012 12:34pm
Manolo

Bok supporters are very angry, hence the following unkind remark found in a local rugby blog:
“If there is one thing all the ladies out there can be sure of, you will never get pregnant from a Bok player, they can never find a gap…”
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August 26, 2012 12:45pm
Keeping Stock

Just for Luke Mutton and his fellow devotees:

Kane Te Tai

Did you catch the service on the news yesterday? You would’ve seen a guy with an IV drip attached in a bed being hauled into the service. He owes his life to Jacinda who braved enemy fire not to fight, but to heal. You may never know the courage it takes to undertake an act that causes you to fight the two biggest impulses we humans are given. Fight or flight. For the un-initiated medics are not under any mandate to fight in any situation other then to protect their patients. She did this with ease and valour.

http://www.facebook.com/groups/sumnerBurstyn/277842638988585/?notif_t=group_activity
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August 26, 2012 12:51pm
cha

Onya KS, the oxygen thief Osborne is wallowing in the attention.
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August 26, 2012 12:57pm
Elaycee

More crap from Hamfisted:

Auckland Central has two very strong MPs.

Actually, there is only ONE Member of Parliament representing Auckland Central. And that MP is Nikki Kaye.

There – I’ve fixed it for you.
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August 26, 2012 12:58pm
Griff

Re-create a paradise for the young Maori and Pasifika
Is this paradise you so fondly eulogize the one pre colonization

Your little treasures are the inmates and beneficences of tomorrow
And they do not give me warm fuzzys
As euthanasia is un pc can we at least spay and neuter the things
you know let them live just not breed
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August 26, 2012 1:17pm
Northland Wahine

V2…

tho there are those that drink, smoke and gamble, from my own experience as a case manager, I see way too much money going on loans, for cars that have already been repossessed, for funerals overseas, for bonds to get into houses they can’t afford.

So many do not take responsibility for the debt they have created. Yeah these loan companies are sharks, but no one drags them to their doors. Personally, first thing I do if they’re at my desking seeking assistance for arrears, redirection order. For rent and power. As far as I’m concerned, they’ve already proven they can’t budget for the basics by coming in.
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August 26, 2012 1:27pm
nasska

Northland Wahine

In your opinion can these people be aided by budgetary advice or are they beyond help? Do any of them manage to get their shit together or do they just keep turning up at WINZ knowing that ‘the system’ won’t let them crash?
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August 26, 2012 1:41pm
Shunda barunda

This absolutely outrageous, what a joke the Human Rights Review Tribunal is, a small area school has to pay out $10 000 for “hurt feelings” for moving on a transient living on school property beside the school swimming pool :

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7538726/School-to-pay-10-000-for-hurt

And the facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/events/138817356260037/
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August 26, 2012 1:47pm
Don the Kiwi

Luke Muttonhead.

You really are the nastiest, dumbarsest, bone headed piece of arsewipe shit that has ever polluted this blog.
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August 26, 2012 1:47pm
Northland Wahine

Those that benefit the most from budgeters, are those who have actually been employed in the last 2 years. They understand the value of earning their own money. They still have a work ethic.

Sadly, too many of those that have never worked, and whose parents are on benefit, have already developed the mindset, that the benefit is their “wage”.
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August 26, 2012 1:50pm
kowtow

shunda bar

Around the world the human rights industry has one practically nothing for the ordinary decent citizen of his own country and everything for enemies of freedom and true rights. The various constitutions of western nations have trationally protected citizens from their governments.

All over the west human rights are being abused by the enemy. see this from Britain. The other stories linked to it are scary too.Millions spent on the enemy.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/9499541/Al-Qaeda-terrorists-launch-human-rights-bid.html
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August 26, 2012 2:03pm
bereal

Still waiting to hear from Hamnida,
where do you get your bullshit statistics from ?
40% of Maori and Pasifika children in poverty. What utter bullshit.

Labours No.3 Jacinda Ardern was also fixated on poverty statistics in parliament last week.
Poor Jacinda makes a bigger fool of herself every time she asks the question of Paula Bennett, “What percentage of NZ children live in poverty ?”
She gets the same answer each time, to the effect that the government is not obsessed with meaningless statistics as
it is a fact that people move in and out of poverty constantly. (and Paula gives her examples)

Note. Jacinda has yet to ask a question when either Mallard or Parker has had to jump in with spurious points of order to try and save her. Pathetic.

Note. If you are a hopeless 2nd or 3rd generation povery stricken beneficiary whose children go to school hungry because
most of your free money is spent on booze, smokes or pokies, when you are given more free money where will that extra free money be spent ?

Hey Hamnida, where do you think the extra free money will be spent ?
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August 26, 2012 2:31pm
bhudson

I think there should be a straw poll on the likelihood that Hamnida is Trevor Mallard’s sock puppet
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August 26, 2012 3:28pm
Viking2

Take your pick. Love bug MM that sounds like Trev or dragon. that sounds like his various partners in crime.

http://www.daniellesplace.com/Images17/LoveBug1PicB.jpg

http://www.activityvillage.co.uk/sock_puppet_dragon_3.jpg
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August 26, 2012 4:05pm
bhudson

LoveBug, definitely.
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August 26, 2012 4:16pm
hj

The tone of this Spectrum documentary caught my ear because David Steemson seems to be in high praise mode, he could be at a model engine rally.

David Steemson: “are excluded from classes in state education system” [suspension from 2 schools, truancy etc]
So why did you get kicked out…
Girl: “probably because I was an Islander. Racism. ”
David Seemson: “were there any other kids who were kicked out because of racism” “how did that make you feel?” Really angry” DS “how does coming to this class help?”
Teacher: “it’s shamefull what’s happened to them” “I would agree with them” “having taught in the state school there are some teachers who are racist”
“a couple wanted to go back to school to be normal again and that’s sad as they are normal.. it’s social alienation”

One thing I look at is how whiteness affects education. And that isn’t just the teacher standing in front of them it’s the whiteness of the system that taught them. We live in te ao Pakeha (the pakeha world)and the advanced capitalist system and that requires the haves and have nots. I’m Pakeha but I’m fully aware that there is a different way of seeing things”
“A Woman with a Vision. I’m David Steeson”

http://210.48.74.86/national/programmes/spectrum/audio/2528643/spectrum-for-26-august-2012.asx
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/spectrum
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August 26, 2012 4:17pm
hj

re human rights commission these organisations subvert democracy by being a step removed from the voter but gain their authority because “you voted for the government that appointed So and So”. In other words there is a compounded error.

Smacking ban UN committee: “we ten experts in our field”
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August 26, 2012 4:24pm
hj

As much as we hate to admit it Bin Laden had at least one legitimate complaint as the US propped up the Saudi regime.
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August 26, 2012 4:29pm
hj

Decolonisation needed or:
Industrial societies require skill specialisation and division of labour. Why many people don’t feel fulfilled.

Cover story, Time Australia, 11 September 1995
20th Century Blues

A small but growing group of scholars- evolutionary psychologists- are trying to do better. With a method less fanciful than Freud’s , they’re beginning to sketch the contours of the human mind as designed by natural selection. Some of them even anticipate the coming of a field called “mismatch theory,” which would study maladies resulting from contrasts between the modern environment and the “ancestral environment,” the one we were designed for. There’s no shortage of such maladies to study. Rates of depression have been doubling in some industrial countries roughly every 10 years. Suicide is the second most common cause of death among young adults in North America, after car wrecks. Fifteen percent of Americans have had a clinical anxiety disorder. And, pathological, even murderous alienation is a hallmark of our time. In that sense, the Unabomber is Exhibit A in his own argument.

Evolutionary psychology is a long way from explaining all this with precision, but it is already shedding enough light to challenge some conventional wisdom. It suggests, for example, that the conservative nostalgia for the nuclear family of the 1950s is in some ways misguided- that the household of Ozzie and Harriet is hardly a “natural” and healthful living arrangement, especially for wives. Moreover, the bygone American life-styles that do look fairly natural in the light of evolutionary psychology appear to have been eroded largely by capitalism- another challenge to conservative orthodoxy. Perhaps the biggest surprise from evolutionary psychology is its depiction of the “animal” in us. Freud , and various thinkers since, saw “civilization” as an oppressive force that thwarts basic animal urges such as lust and aggression, transmuting them into psychopathology. But evolutionary psychology suggests that a larger threat to mental health may be the way civilization thwarts civility. There is a kinder, gentler side of human nature, and it seems increasingly to be a victim of repression.
http://www.oocities.org/athens/stage/8922/
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August 26, 2012 4:40pm
hj

This is a good book about Cynthia Parker and others who were kidnapped by the Commanche. When she was repatriated she only dreamed of rejoining the Commanche and never adapted to white society. For all that the Commanche were ruthless and cruel so you don’t feel all that sorry for them.
I think it is a good summation of the issues of warrior societies where more advanced societies encroach.
http://www.amazon.com/Empire-Summer-Moon-Comanches-Powerful/dp/1416591052
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August 26, 2012 4:50pm
joana

David
Can you please post a story on what is happening at the Dowse art Gallery..It has been in the Dom post but maybe not in other papers…thanks.
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August 26, 2012 4:51pm
Monique Watson

Neil Armstrong has died.
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August 26, 2012 4:56pm
Reid

http://enenews.com/intense-magnitude-5-quake-strikes-nearby-fukushima-plant-hits-hours-after-even-stronger-quake-in-northern-japan-map

http://enenews.com/nhk-mayor-says-work-to-remove-radioactive-substances-was-making-no-progress-video

Cannot entomb Fukushima like they did at Chernobyl:
http://enenews.com/yamada-cover-fukushima-daiichi-reactors-like-after-chernobyl-complex-chernobyl-audio

So. As previously mentioned, the issue is the fuel rods in Reactor 3 building, which is rickety and if it collapses, that creates a whole new level of uncontrollable contamination sufficient to cause the evacuation of Tokyo and possibly the whole of Southern Japan.
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August 26, 2012 5:23pm
bhudson

I see Cunliffee was continuing on his ‘return to the party roots’ ~~leadership challenge~~ working for Shearer and the Team plan this morning, reaffirming his commitment to the socialist (and Marxist) maxim of “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.”

It seems that his ~~conniving~~ interpretation diverges a little from his Dear Leader and Mallard though, who clearly hold it has morphed into “From each according to his ability, to each according to his indolence”
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August 26, 2012 5:50pm
Viking2

The Male Cycle:

When I was 13, I hoped that one day I would have a girlfriend with big tits.

When I was 16, I got a girlfriend with big tits, but there was no passion, so I decided I needed a passionate girl with zest for life.

At University I dated a passionate girl, but she was too emotional. Everything was an emergency; she was a drama queen, cried all the time and threatened suicide. So I decided I needed a girl with stability.

When I was 25, I found a very stable girl, but she was boring. She was totally predictable and never got excited about anything. Life became so dull that I decided that I needed a girl with some excitement.

When I was 28, I found an exciting girl, but I couldn’t keep up with her. She rushed from one thing to another, never settling on anything. She did mad impetuous things and made me miserable as often as happy.. She was great fun initially and very energetic, but directionless. So I decided to find a girl with some real ambition.

When I turned 30, I found a smart ambitious girl with her feet planted firmly on the ground, so I married her. She was so ambitious that she divorced me and took everything I owned.

I’m much older and wiser now, and I’m looking for a girl with big tits
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August 26, 2012 5:52pm
Reid

What the alternative media in the US is saying about the TPP. And having looked at the way its being negotiated and the way its morphed since NZ started it off, with the additional South American countries that have joined, thereby simultaneously confirming the alternative media’s fears at the same time making it diplomatically difficult for NZ to withdraw since it was in it before Aus was, this is serious, for us and all the partners, if its true what they say. Which is essentially, it’s driven by corporate interests and with things like big pharma, Hollyweird and software copyright ~~obsession~~ enforcement and the like. This combined with the fact that domestically this is Key’s foreign trade piece de resistance, we’re potentially in big fucking trouble folks and quite frankly, we should be marching in the streets not for gay marriage, but for a look at this fucking thing, before its signed up to. But what’s the bet that none of the media except perhaps Fran Wilde and perhaps the NBR is astute enough to pick up on this, before it gets put into legislation without any of us (as in, “we, the people”) getting any chance to assess whether or not the outputs of Grosser’s negotiations are worthwhile or not.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/If-you-Like-NAFTA-You-ll-by-Rudy-Avizius-120824-750.html
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August 26, 2012 6:10pm
bereal

hj
five posts in a row. You must be trying to say something.
Are you a lecturer at Waikato University ?
you seem to be a very confused camper.
Are you able to explain what on earth you are trying to say in one sentence ?
WTF does “the white society.” mean in your mind ?

How do all your posts relate to the Treaty of Waitangi ?
Why do you hate yourself ?
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August 26, 2012 6:14pm
Manolo

Darwinism at work: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8522274/teenager-dies-in-christchurch
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August 26, 2012 6:20pm
bhudson

Reid,

The first sentence shows just how unbiased and objective the article will be:

We, the transnational corporations and the ruling elites are on the verge of a wonderful new dawn that will bring us immense power and untold wealth.

In the words of that master of negotiation – John McEnroe – “You cannot be serious”
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August 26, 2012 6:26pm
bereal

Here is a cool site that will keep you and your kids happy for ages.

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/watch-online/

Good luck to you all and to your families.
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August 26, 2012 6:37pm
nasska

I for one really admire Prince Harry’s behaviour in Las Vegas. After all not many gingers get to see a girl naked.
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August 26, 2012 6:46pm
Reid

In the words of that master of negotiation – John McEnroe – “You cannot be serious”

When you’re faced with bias bhudson which you always are whether it’s Fox news or Al Jazeera (who in truth are on the same side but anyway) all you have to is look at the facts. Sometimes no matter what the source, it does contains facts.

And fact is, we aren’t allowed to know what’s in it till it’s signed.

Doesn’t that strike you as a bit unusual. It’s not like any other trade deal I can recall.

Here is a cool site that will keep you and your kids happy for ages.

Thank bereal, looks like a v good site. Always appreciate more input.
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August 26, 2012 7:22pm
liarbors a joke

60 minutes on One…Bill Lu..Dover Samuels , Rick Barker, Silent T…citizenship..criminal background..the whole thing smells.
Everyone running for cover.
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August 26, 2012 7:39pm
bhudson

Reid,

It is precisely like every other trade deal. These things are not negotiated in public.

You can be certain that those making the most noise about the secret nature of the negotiations are those who least want them to be successful.
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August 26, 2012 7:40pm
Johnboy

“After all not many gingers get to see a girl naked.”

Perhaps you should revise that comment to: “Not many Gingas get to see a PRETTY GIRL naked”. nasska! 🙂
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August 26, 2012 7:45pm
cha

Some suicide gurlies for ya Johnboy.
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August 26, 2012 7:49pm
hj

bereal (2,033) Says:
August 26th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
hj
five posts in a row. You must be trying to say something.
Are you a lecturer at Waikato University ?
you seem to be a very confused camper.
Are you able to explain what on earth you are trying to say in one sentence ?
WTF does “the white society.” mean in your mind ?

How do all your posts relate to the Treaty of Waitangi ?
Why do you hate yourself ?
….
I can’t help it if you can’t read.

#1 is excerpts from a spectrum documentary about a program for young people who get kicked out of school. The teacher and one of the youths blames racism , not the girls own behaviour; the teacher agrees and David Steenson, by his style, also appears as though he agrees with the thrust of it. We get a little insight into a view of racism, one which mystifies most people. Steenson finishes by labelling her “A Woman with a Vision”.
#2 was in response to discussion on Human Rights Commission.
#3 also related to HRC which in this instance involved involved Al-Qaeda.
#4 may have lost you. It follows on from #1 where the teacher (I gather) defines racism as not recognising that different groups have different world views. That article (which you have to have a Time subscription to read in full) makes a good point in so far as while there is a school of thought that blames social breakdown on one culture dominating another, it is the industrial system with it’s efficiency gains due to the division of labour which breaks social bonds. The problem is that large populations require efficient production.
#5 Follows from #4 where despite the trials and tribulations of the Comanche life a white captive became a Comanche through and through. The Time article relates to evolutionary psychology, advancing the notion that despite the headlice, hardships and constant warfare people in those tribal societies led fulfilling lives.
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August 26, 2012 7:51pm
Reid

It is precisely like every other trade deal. These things are not negotiated in public.

Yes I know bhudson however normally the resulting DRAFT is issued prior to Parliament’s vote, which is apparently not going to happen, with the TPP. Wonder why, if the rumours are true.

Meanwhile, a good article on how come we all need lots more guns, preferably full-auto. So that people should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people. And isn’t that just what the founding fathers in the [American] home of democracy tried to create?
http://theintelhub.com/2012/08/25/why-operation-dark-knight-backfired/

No surprise the UK home of democracy didn’t try to create it, eh?
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August 26, 2012 7:54pm
nasska

LETTER TO PERSONAL PROBLEMS ADVICE COLUMN

From Gavin of Wellington, New Zealand.

I am a sailor in the New Zealand Navy. My parents live in the suburb of Seatoun and one of my sisters, who lives in Palmerston North, is married to an Englishman. My father and Mother have recently been arrested for growing and selling marijuana and are currently dependent on my other two sisters, who are prostitutes in Auckland.

I have two brothers, one who is currently serving a non-parole life sentence in Mt.Eden Prison, Auckland, for the rape & murder of a teenage boy in 1994, the other currently being held in the Wellington remand centre on charges of incest with his three children.

I have recently become engaged to marry a former Thai prostitute who lives in Christchurch and indeed is still a part time “working girl” in a Brothel, however, her time there is limited as she has recently been infected with an STD.

We intend to marry as soon as possible and are currently looking into the possibility of opening our own brothel with my fiancee utilizing her knowledge of the industry working as the manager. I am hoping my two sisters would be interested in joining our team. Although I would prefer them not to prostitute themselves at least it would get them off the streets and hopefully the heroin.

My problem is this: I love my fiancee and look forward to bringing her into the family and of course I want to be totally honest with her.

Should I tell her about my brother-in-law being English?
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August 26, 2012 8:00pm
Johnboy

Is that “Bill English” nasska?

If so I would keep it very quiet! 🙂
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August 26, 2012 8:02pm
nasska

Good thinking JB!

They say that in the wilds of Dipton no one can hear you scream. 🙂
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August 26, 2012 8:06pm
Johnboy

Ah but in the mind of Double Dipton you only scream when you get caught licking the cream! 🙂
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August 26, 2012 8:10pm
nasska

Yeah…but you’ve got to cut the poor bugger a bit of slack. At the time they were only just making ends meet….his wife was working but Bill wasn’t getting any overtime.

Could be in that position yourself one day.
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