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Election Race 20 September 2014 ~ John Stringer

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holysheet

All we need now is a cartoon of a USAF starlifter trying to fit the slob into its hold, with the crew offering him a years worth of KY- jelly and an oversize orange uniform.
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September 21, 2014 12:53pm
tom hunter

🙄

Hate the drawing style and there’s nothing especially witty or cutting here.

Try this instead, or this, or this from Michael Ramirez in the USA.

Now that is political cartooning.
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September 21, 2014 12:59pm
Kimbo

Take a bow. collective New Zealand voting public – you are smarter than the media and some would-be politicians give you credit for.

This election demonstrated the folly of Helen Clark’s massive over-reaction to the Exclusive Brethren in 2005, which in turn played a significant part in her defeat in 2008 – we do not need campaign finnace laws. Kiwis are smart enough to work out when money is being used to buy votes. The failure of KDC, and Colin Craig for that matter – neither of whom have worked for many years creating a genuine base, and instead were trying to artificially manufacture one (or in Craig’s case steal it from Peters) – demonstrate the point.

The next time someone tries to justify restrictions on campaign advertising and restrict freedom of speech at election-time with the explanation, “They wouldn’t spend money on advertising if it didn’t have an effect”. the clear rebuttal is, “No, they do it because they are stupid and have money to waste”. Advertising only works if there is a genuine core-constituency with whom it will have resonance.
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September 21, 2014 1:01pm
Redbaiter

Thanks for those links Tom-

The first one in particular made me laugh out loud.

(Go easy on Mr. Stringer, he’s about all we have.)
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September 21, 2014 1:14pm
Kea

This election demonstrated the folly of Helen Clark’s massive over-reaction to the Exclusive Brethren in 2005

One of the most shameful periods in New Zealand history.

Important constitutional law was changed to target a religious minority who dared exercise their democratic rights.

It is a disgrace that this hideous evil bitch is now in the UN.
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September 21, 2014 1:15pm
Redbaiter

Thanks for those links Tom-

The first one in particular made me laugh out loud.

(Go easy on Mr. Stringer, he’s about all we have.)
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September 21, 2014 1:21pm
Kimbo

@ Kea

Important constitutional law was changed to target a religious minority who dared exercise their democratic rights.

And, as with this election, the public was smart enough on that occasion to work out on their own that the Exclusive Brethren were a pack of hypocrites trying to use their money to influence the electoral choice of others, even though their sect prohibits they themselves voting

And that Don Brash’s politicial competence was called into question by his inept obfuscations which cost him on election night in 2005.
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September 21, 2014 1:23pm
Kea

Kimbo, why are they hypocrites for not voting ? No one is compelled to vote.

The lack of voting is a Red Herring thrown out to the brainless biggoted masses to distract from the fact any Kiwi can (or could) support who they like. The nasty vicious Clark felt empowered to persecute a tiny religious minority, confident they do not vote for her anyway.

I have never forgotten what she did to those people and never will. I went to school with Bretheren and have worked with them. Sure they are have their different ways, but are largely decent hard working people who contribute to society in a positive way.

All the things you Labour fans hate a ?
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September 21, 2014 1:30pm
oldpark

Bigger they are, the harder they fall! Good.
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September 21, 2014 1:33pm
Hugh Pavletich

Party vote baffles (Christchurch) Labour supporters | Georgina Stylianou | Christchurch … The Press

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/10525445/Party-vote-baffles-Labour-supporters

… extract …

Labour supporters are baffled, shocked and defeated after a National hammering in Christchurch.

Megan Woods, Ruth Dyson and Poto Williams managed to retain their electorates but the party vote in all three strongly favoured National.

http://electionresults.govt.nz/

http://electionresults.govt.nz/partystatus.html
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September 21, 2014 1:42pm
Dennis Horne

All we need now is a cartoon of a USAF starlifter trying to fit the slob into its hold, with the crew offering him a years worth of KY- jelly and an oversize orange uniform.

Rape in prisons is a shocking problem in the US, so we are led to believe. I don’t see the funny side of rape.

I am commenting because this is not the first time I have seen this nonsense in the past week or so.
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September 21, 2014 1:45pm
adze

Agreed Dennis.
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September 21, 2014 1:48pm
Kimbo

@ Kea

Kimbo, why are they hypocrites for not voting ? No one is compelled to vote.

He he he. Sorry, you will have to be a bit quicker moving those shells around.

No, it is not because they do not vote. It is because, unlike, say the Jehovah’s Witnesses who do not vote for religious reasons either, the Exclusive Brethren still sought to involve themselves in evil wordly political matters they profess to eschew by influencing the votes of others.

It would be like an Orthodox Jew managing the advertising campaign for Hellers sausages. If it is really a matter of religious purity that marks a dividing line between those within and outside your faith – and boy, the Exclusive Brethren sure make a distinction on that matter! – then you are either fully “in” or fully “out”.

But that is a matter of moral credibility. Which is why the media did a good job on that occasion of bringing it to the public’s attention so we could judge for ourselves. Personally I didn’t care either way about their advertising, and to be honest, their crirticisms of the Greens were spot on as far as I was concerned.

But the real issue became how Brash handled it. He too had to be either fully “in” by answering, “Yes, I think I know who is issuing this advertising” when first asked, or fully “out” by realising the Exclusive Brethren were a political risk because of the hypocrisy factor outlined above. If Brash was “out” he should have declined to meet with them in the first place, i.e., giving himself plausible deniability which all competent politicians have an instinct for.

But I don’t dispute in the least that the Exclusive Brethren had the right to do believe and do what they did, and they should still do – just as I am free to hold the tenets of their ridiculous sect, and their hypocritical inability to meet them in public contempt.
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September 21, 2014 1:48pm
Kea

” Exclusive Brethren still sought to involve themselves in evil ”

No Kimbo. There is nothing evil about people supporting candidates, or parties, they prefer. How do you feel about that vile Owen Glenn’s support of Labour (between financing anti male hate groups) ?
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September 21, 2014 1:56pm
tom hunter

Kea – do you really think the debate is enhanced by such a deliberate quote out of context?

… the Exclusive Brethren still sought to involve themselves in evil wordly political matters they profess to eschew by influencing the votes of others.

Does the phrase “tongue-in-cheek” or “mild hyperbole” not register with you?
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September 21, 2014 2:02pm
tvb

I do not dislike KDC anymore. In fact his wasted millions was misplaced and squashed the left. And got rid of Hone. That petulant spoilt child of a dominant mother. I do think his concern for the poor is genuine especially the hungry kids. When he gets over the loss there might be a role for him somewhere.
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September 21, 2014 2:09pm
Kimbo

@ Kea

No Kimbo. There is nothing evil about people supporting candidates, or parties, they prefer. How do you feel about that vile Owen Glenn’s support of Labour (between financing anti male hate groups) ?

I couldn’t care less about who Owen Glenn supports financially. His opinions. His money. But if he does do so, he should be prepared for the possibility that his decision could (as opposed to should) become public knowledge…and people are equally free to form their opinions.

And no, there is nothing evil about supporting candidates. But then neither Glenn, nor you, nor I are members of a sect that thinks the voting is so evil we should not do it…yet we encourage and seek to influence infidels in the intricacies of that that same political process.

A Jehovah’s Witness, for example, holding similar views for similar reasons to the Exclusive Brethren, would not do so. Yet again, the Jehovah’s Witnesses are a sect I hold in public contempt – although I admire the personal ethics and conduct of their members – but I am prepared to acknowledge their organisation is usually consistent on the matter of voting.

Once it became public knowledge the Exclusive Brethren were fair game because they involved themselves directly in the political process. In those circumstances Clark, IMHO, was free to call them out and make political capital to her heart’s content. And we were free to make up our own mind.

But I agree, she crossed the line in restricting their, and everybody else’s right to freedom of speech. Just as my freedom of speech says the Exclusive Brethren were hypocrites.
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September 21, 2014 2:09pm
Kimbo

Kea – do you really think the debate is enhanced by such a deliberate quote out of context?

Quoting out of context is the stock-in-trade of most pernicious sects like the Exclusive Brethren, so maybe Kea has picked up a bit more than he realised from the Exclusive Brethren besides an admiration for their undeniable work ethic and public lawfulness
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September 21, 2014 2:13pm
Kea

tom & kimbo, Yes I do think it enhances the debate and it is fun. I had to fill in time while Kimbo squirmed like a salted-slug trying to avoid my point. 🙂

Now we have settled that, can Kimbo address my point ?
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September 21, 2014 2:20pm
tom hunter

Yes I do think it enhances the debate and it is fun.

Noted.

Now we have settled that, can Kimbo address my point ?

He has.

It is time to move on! 😉
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September 21, 2014 2:25pm
Kimbo

@ Kea

Now we have settled that, can Kimbo address my point ?

What part of my answer in 2:09 is not clear?

Or are you saying no one including a Prime Minister, especially in the course of an election campaign is allowed to publicly criticise a religious or other special-interest group, be they big, small, well-known or obscure, especially when that group involves themselves directly in some way in the electoral process?

I think Clark’s subsequent legislation wrongly restricted the right of the Exclusive Brethren and all of us. But it sounds like you are wanting to restrict the right of politicians and others to criticise the Exlusive Brethren by mislabelling it “persecution”. In which case you are succumbing to the standard lie of religious cults like the Exclusive Brethren when their beliefs and practices are put under the blow torch of public scrutiny.

Perhaps you would like to clarify, even though you seem to have neither the ability and/or inclination to do so. Or we take tom hunter’s advice, “It is time to move on!”
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September 21, 2014 2:30pm
Kea

I think Clark’s subsequent legislation wrongly restricted the right of the Exclusive Brethren and all of us.

Kimbo, Oh so we agree then ! Gosh you made hard work of that mate 😯
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September 21, 2014 2:32pm
Kimbo

Kimbo, Oh so we agree then ! Gosh you made hard work of that mate

That is usually case when one ignores the rule, “Do not feed the troll…”
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September 21, 2014 2:34pm
Sublime

Well Dotcom’s spent roughly half a grand per vote if you look at it as a numerical figure. Going on that, you would need to spend roughly $11 million or so to ‘buy’ an election here if that were possible. Last night revealed it’s not! 😀
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September 21, 2014 2:34pm
David Garrett

..meanwhile in a cottage in Helensville festooned with crystals and talismen, Penny Bright wonders what the hell happened to cause her confident prediction of electoral success to fail, and John Key to beat her by 25,000 votes…
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September 21, 2014 2:38pm
lifesgood

Brilliant! Get rid of the fat slob. Nobody wants him here. Well done John Key and NZers. I am proud that enough of you could cut through the rubbish and dirty games of the left. Onwards and upwards NZ…I am very happy today.
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September 21, 2014 2:40pm
Kea

Kimbo, Just a tip. The term “troll” is used when someone presents facts that contradict your existing bias. It is an admission of failure.

In this case the issue was your lack of reading comprehension. By all means use ad hominem attacks, as is the convention on KB, but you will need to find another name to call me in this case 😉

Edit: Actually it was MY lack of reading comprehension. I missed the last line.
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September 21, 2014 2:41pm
Kea

David Garrett, did Penny get over 400 ?

I thought you two had some sort of bet.
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September 21, 2014 2:42pm
iMP

Tom Hunter, Michael P Ramirez is a personal friend of mine and gets PAID to draw cartoons. He’s an American award winning cartoonist. It’s his full-time job.
On Kiwiblog, its an occasional unpaid labour of love. Did I just say “labour”? You’re comparing sandcastles with Everest.
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September 21, 2014 2:42pm
Kimbo

@ Kea

By all means use ad hominem attacks, as is the convention on KB, but you will need to find another name to call me in this case 😉

Sure. Would, “slug” do the trick? 😉

Either that or you need to stop taking sooking classes from the likes of steel fist/glass jaw Laila “the nasty people were mean to us” Harre.
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September 21, 2014 2:47pm
David Garrett

..and on Stuff I see Shearer saying he was “undermined in his reign; an obvious reference to Mr Cunliffe”…Excellent!! Watching the socialist bitches tearing themselves asunder is going to be good sport….I just hope Kelvin D doesn’t take over too soon…he has the mana and ability to lead them well…and we wouldn’t want that…

Kea: Well, if there was a bet (Penny will of course deny it) I won..I first predicted she would get less than 450, and then, after a particularly stupid post from her, I revised that down to less than 400…she got 359..I would call that a successful prediction, wouldn’t you?
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September 21, 2014 2:47pm
tom hunter

…. and gets PAID to draw cartoons.

Well if Mr Stringer would like to improve his drawing style and sharpen his wit perhaps he too will be rewarded by capitalism.
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September 21, 2014 2:48pm
Mike

One of the weirdest theories i have seen includes the NSA influencing the outcome by manipulating the Electoral Commissions data.

This is entertaining.
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September 21, 2014 2:49pm
Kea

DG, that was a very accurate prediction by you. No doubt assisted by your stooges in the NSA ?

She is awfully quiet today. As are the extreme right…
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September 21, 2014 2:52pm
Griff

DG challenged Penny to walk down the main drag starkers if she failed to reach 400.
Thank (insert deity of choice or luck ) that she did not take him up.
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September 21, 2014 2:53pm
Kimbo

She is awfully quiet today. As are the extreme right…

Now I know you are a shit stirrer. You just had to go whistling for Red to come out of his kennel! 😉
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September 21, 2014 2:54pm
David Garrett

..and of course three strikes, that wonderful law which is impacting on violent criminals every day, is safe for another three years.

By 2017 I suspect we will have half a dozen third strikers, and a hundred or so second strikers, all of whom will be thoroughly bad bastards…If Labour campaign on repealing it then, either the Cons or ACT will have to respond with the kind of “Willie Horton” campaign that did for Michael Dukakis 25 years ago…billboards featuring the least photogenic of the third strikers with “Labour wants to let guys like XXX out of prison”

Sad result for ACT; great result for those who believe we can once again be the safest western country in the world.

Kea: Fuck!! Who squealed about my late night meetings with “deep tunnel” at the Albany Park’n’Ride? I always said that rendezvous was too close to the Dotcom mansion…
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September 21, 2014 2:58pm
Lindsay Addie

Stuff reporting that at his presser Key is suggesting Labour may lose a seat after the specials have been counted…….
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September 21, 2014 3:06pm
ross411

David Garrett (6,975 comments) says:
September 21st, 2014 at 2:38 pm
..meanwhile in a cottage in Helensville festooned with crystals and talismen, Penny Bright wonders what the hell happened to cause her confident prediction of electoral success to fail, and John Key to beat her by 25,000 votes…

Perhaps. Here’s how I paint it..

Penny obtained the votes she did by taking on a part time job at the IHC, and when the management had her training the mentally handicapped to tick Labour, she instead trained them to tick her boxes. The unions are now after her for stealing their god given votes, and she is in hiding. Meanwhile she’s revelling in the glow of getting three or four hundred votes and feeling vindicated in her corruption which wasn’t really corruption because she is an anti-corruption campaigner and the rules do not apply to her, and trying to work out how to ask Dotcom for car again on Facebook.
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September 21, 2014 3:09pm
ross411

Lindsay Addie (1,390 comments) says:
September 21st, 2014 at 3:06 pm
Stuff reporting that at his presser Key is suggesting Labour may lose a seat after the specials have been counted…….

I was bored and over at whale oil, and saw a comment listing the list quotients with Labour first in line to lose a seat if Greens pulled votes away. I assumed it was made up cause it was at whale oil, but this kind of supports it.
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September 21, 2014 3:14pm
Lindsay Addie

ross411,

There are 254,630 special votes. From here:
http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2014/partystatus.html
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September 21, 2014 3:19pm
ross411

Lindsay Addie (1,391 comments) says:
September 21st, 2014 at 3:19 pm
ross411,

There are 254,630 special votes. From here:
http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2014/partystatus.html

I’m confused. I assumed the seat was to be lost because of the overseas vote, where people imply Green does rather well. And I assumed that the special votes, amongst which was mine as an advance out of electorate vote, were accounted for last night. What am I not understanding?
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September 21, 2014 3:24pm
Kea

OPINION: David Cunliffe apologised for being a man, for the behaviour of his ancestors, and for taking a holiday. But he’s not saying sorry for Labour’s second worst rout in its history.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10526592/David-Cunliffe-in-a-fight-for-survival

Stuff are not pulling any punches today. Worth a read of their front page, for a change.
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September 21, 2014 3:25pm
goldnkiwi

For some reason Laila Harre reminds me of Odo, off Deep Space Nine.
Their ethics may differ though, what did she get $150,000 / four months?
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September 21, 2014 3:53pm
martinh

i dont think judith would fit through there
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September 21, 2014 3:56pm
lofty

The time will come when Mr Dotcom will leave our shores to face whatever in the USA. While I cannot wait for that day, like the ad says, it will happen.

I could never forgive him and his band of political prostitutes for the damage, and outright duplicity that they foisted upon the voting public, while I could never wish prison rape upon him, I can wish that his guilty conscious haunts him for the rest of his days, whether he is wearing a orange onsie or not.

The cartoonist got it right, the fleas were squashed by the dog they rode on.
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September 21, 2014 4:56pm
Kea

lofty, I take a different view. We should thank Kim.

He has helped National inflict an historic and devastating loss on the far left. Millions of decent ordinary Kiwis have now seen just how ugly and twisted the left is. Ordinary folk have finally woken up to media spin and used some common sense.

Good on you Kim and good luck with the legal battles, I say.
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September 21, 2014 5:03pm
lofty

Yes that was the result Kea, but not the motive, that’s for sure.

He and his band of lice set out to destroy our democracy, and this makes them tantamount to traitors in my book.

The fact that the plan backfired, thank God, has nothing to do with the evil of their intent.
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September 21, 2014 5:09pm
Griff

Minto, Hone, Harré and Sykes sidelined from politics.

Ich danke dich schoen Oberfeldwebel Hans Schultz
schadenfreude.
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September 21, 2014 5:11pm
Kea

Minto, Hone, Harré and Sykes sidelined from politics.

There have not been this many fallen communists since Stalingrad. 😀
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September 21, 2014 5:26pm
Rich Prick

Kea, indeed, this has been the best election under MMP:

1) Hone, Liala, Minto, Sykes and Dotcom spanked out the door.
2) The Greens got a spanking too.
3) Cunliffe and Labour got the vote they deserved.
4) Winston denied the Kingmaker role and the baubles he craves, will be too busy using his own Gold Card next election.
5) Most importantly, none of the new minor parties get to be the tail that wags the dog because they really are minor parties this time around.

“Good Times” … sorry Dotty.
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September 21, 2014 9:07pm
Rich Prick

Oh and:

6) Nicky Hager never writes another “book” just before an election. Memo to self: cancel contract with Astra Print for all material by our organisation including our Annual Report.
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September 21, 2014 9:15pm
Kea

Rich Prick, yes indeed. It has restored my faith in the common sense of my countrymen.

People always do the right thing, after they have tried everything else.
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September 21, 2014 9:18pm
DJP6-25

@Rich Prick 9:15 pm Yeah, I just love the smell of schadenfreude in the evening. It smells like victory!
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