General Debate 30 June 2016

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Stars And Stripes

Te Papa cancels purchase of Peter Snell singlet, question authenticity
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11666141

Seems as though it was as genuine as the Mercer Expressway taniwha.
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June 30, 2016 2:16pm
Lucia Maria

Some progressive voices do far more harm than good. I would argue that Obama and Hollande are on the more harm side.

Ah, the depth of blog interaction. Punchy, point missing one-liners that take the original comment way off course so as to lose it’s original intent.
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June 30, 2016 2:24pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles , shock poll ? I thought you had Trump in an unbeatable lead ?

All progressive voices do more harm than good ? Abolition of slavery , child labour , extending the voting franchise, our public health system , factory safety laws , food safety and hygiene regulations Trust busting laws , etc, etc
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June 30, 2016 2:29pm
Shawn Herles

“Shawn Herles , shock poll ? I thought you had Trump in an unbeatable lead ?”

Nope, I said they were neck and neck in the polls and that’s with the polls favoring Democratic voters.

“All progressive voices do more harm than good ? Abolition of slavery , child labour , extending the voting franchise,”

The fact that you have to go back a hundred years or more to find anything good to say about your claimed political ideology speaks volumes.

However, it’s not true. The progressives of that era were in many cases people who would be dismissed today as Christian fundamentalists. Slavery abolitionists were Christians. Many of the suffragettes were Conservative Christians who wanted the vote so they could introduce prohibtion. And since then that ideology has been well and truly perverted by the New Left. In fact, there really are no more progressives left. In reality, the New Left is the political ideology you and others who claim to be progessives actually follow.

And the New Left is rotten to the core.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Left
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June 30, 2016 2:40pm
B.L.Zeebub

A lone voice of clarity on Brexit ,from of all places, the Huffpost no less,
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/georgina-edwards/eu-referendum-uk-economy_b_10694442.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
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June 30, 2016 2:42pm
Shawn Herles

This is from a liberal souce, showing just one of the stark differences between the old progressives and the New Left.

“The Suffragettes Would Not Agree With Feminists Today on Abortion”

http://time.com/4093214/suffragettes-abortion/
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June 30, 2016 2:52pm
Keeping Stock

The fact that Pora has been found to be innocent is new evidence.

One person’s innocence does not automatically equate to evidence of another person’s guilt Chuck. At best, Pora being cleared is circumstantial evidence, and I suspect Rewa’s legal team, having twice managed to muddy the waters and get hung juries would argue that it in insufficient proof of Rewa’s guilt.
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June 30, 2016 3:03pm
Happychappy

How could Labour ever think that people are going to vote them on to the Government benche’s with their outrageous behavior that they have demonstrated over the last week.Their ignorance and disrespect for others in the house is nothing less than arrogant and rude.
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June 30, 2016 3:09pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles , your all BS . The extension of the voting franchise had nothing to do with the Prohibition movement .

Yes there were progressive and liberal Christians who supported abolition and other progressive causes just as there were Christian Conservatives like you who opposed it ,

Why did so many Christians support slavery ?

http://www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/issue-33/why-christians-should-support-slavery.html
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June 30, 2016 3:18pm
Shawn Herles

@ stephie : ” your all BS . The extension of the voting franchise had nothing to do with the Prohibition movement .”

“At the same time, all sorts of reform groups were proliferating across the United States–temperance clubs, religious movements and moral-reform societies, anti-slavery organizations–and in many of these, women played a prominent role.

Temperance advocates, for instance, wanted women to have the vote because they thought it would mobilize an enormous voting bloc on behalf of their cause”

http://www.history.com/topics/womens-history/the-fight-for-womens-suffrage

‘What was the relationship between Prohibition and Women’s Suffrage in US history?’

“Prohibition gave American women the opportunity to organize, and suffragists such as Susan B. Anthony first began their activism as prohibitionists.”

https://www.quora.com/What-was-the-relationship-between-Prohibition-and-Womens-Suffrage-in-US-history
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June 30, 2016 3:28pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles ,

Why did so many Christians support slavery ?

http://www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/issue-33/why-christians-should-support-slavery.html

How the Church fought against the civil rights movement ,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxQomiMHyJ0
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June 30, 2016 3:29pm
Shawn Herles

“During the years of the early twentieth-century suffrage campaign in England, women who participated in its more militant faction, particularly the Women’s Social and Political Union (WSPU), often located their actions within a religious framework. The suffragettes’ militant actions were supported by, and given credibility by, their many references to traditional Christian experiences and beliefs. Participants in militant actions, the suffragettes, as well as many contemporary writers, were well aware of the religious dimension of the campaign.

The appropriation of religion for the militant political campaign took a variety of forms. The suffragettes adopted symbolic Christian figures as well as the structure and tactics of other contemporary Christian organizations, particularly the Salvation Army. They infused their rhetoric, in both their autobiographical accounts and their novels, with the language of Christian theology and the Bible. They also adopted traditional forms of Christian experience, including calls to conversion, suffering, and martyrdom. A clear example of the militant suffragettes’ appropriation of a religious symbol can be found in their adoption of Joan of Arc as their patron saint.”

https://www.questia.com/library/journal/1G1-224991133/the-uses-of-religion-in-the-women-s-militant-suffrage
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June 30, 2016 3:33pm
Shawn Herles

Christabel Pankhurst, suffragette and Christian fundamentalist. A look at the relationship between the suffragettes and Evangelical Christianity.

http://www.layman.org/bookreviews5e6e/
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June 30, 2016 3:40pm
Shawn Herles

William Wilberforce. The conservative evangelical Christian who helped end slavery in Britian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wilberforce
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June 30, 2016 3:44pm
Shawn Herles

Evangelicals & the Fight to End Slavery

“Charles G. Finney, known as “America’s foremost revivalist,” was a major leader of the Second Great Awakening. Finney was a fiery, entertaining, and spontaneous preacher, and was widely influential among millions of Americans. In addition, however, Finney was deeply concerned with social justice. He was an abolitionist leader who frequently denounced slavery from his pulpit and denied communion to slaveholders. He was president of Oberlin, the first college in America to educate black and white men and women in the same classrooms. Through his influence over several decades in public life, Finney helped lay the basis for the Civil War to be a crusade to end slavery, and not just a clash between two different economic systems. For many, at the heart of evangelicalism was a demand for deep integration between one’s private religion and public morality.”

Charles G. Finny was a Christian revivalist and “fundamentalist” who was a powerful voice in the US against slavery.

http://andrewhimes.net/john-wesley-abolition
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June 30, 2016 3:50pm
Jack5

Anyone in the south being following the stand-off between Gerry Brownlee and the Christchurch Press. Brownlee was on Radio ZB with Chris Lynch today discussing this. It concerns the earthquake recovery work in Christchurch.
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June 30, 2016 3:51pm
Shawn Herles

Are there any other serious historical errors I can fix for you of stephie? 🙂
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June 30, 2016 3:53pm
Jack5

Stephie at 3.18 asks “Why did so many Christians support slavery ?”

How about a more current question: “Why do so many Muslims support slavery ?”

I’m thinking about Indonesian, African and Indian maids in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf, Pakistani children drilled to be racing camel jockeys, and women as a whole in Afghanistan and some of the more backward Islamic states. I’m thinking of young Yazidi girls enslaved and traded in the ISIL-held areas. I’m thinking of Mauritania, with a slave population of 40,000. I’m thinking of the slave labour of Bangladesh.
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June 30, 2016 3:57pm
Shawn Herles

I think stephie just ran away with his tail between his legs. Again.
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June 30, 2016 4:01pm
kowtow

Utter fucking madness

‘It follows a six-month review ordered by Ray Mabus, the US Naval Secretary. The review was launched in January, a month after Ash Carter, the US Defence Secretary, announced all military roles would be open to women.”

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/americas/marines-backlash-over-moves-to-make-titles-genderneutral-34844915.html
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June 30, 2016 4:01pm
Ross12

So Soros is throwing Merkel ” under the bus”.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/29/soros-backtracks-brexit-mass-migration-disruptive-merkel-wrong/

What an absolute prat !! Has being going about open borders , pored millions in the EU project supporters and now it’s looking shaky he turns on Merkel. I don’t agree with what Merkel did on the immigration front but Soros is a hypocrite of the highest order.
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June 30, 2016 4:02pm
mikenmild

kowtow would prefer that women in the armed forces were called ‘men’, just to make things clear. When he has sex with a women, he possibly prefers to imagine her as a man, too.
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June 30, 2016 4:05pm
Jack5

The Auckland bubble is feeding economic dreams – and nightmares – as well property prices.

The latest report is suggesting a $4 billion to $5 billion spend-up on Ports of Auckland to make it a super port based at Manukau.

This could only be a super port for imports, because stuff-all exports go out of Auckland now, while it is the funnel for most of the country’s imports.

Apart from the cost of building a super port, who is going to pay for the imports? NZ is approaching half a century of balance of payment deficits – meaning we don’t export enough to pay our way.

This is related to calls for Auckland to soar quickly to 5 million population, always supported by confident associations that super export industries – and usually high tech ones – will spring up to make this economically feasible.

Exporting is going to get harder as the world slips into protectionism, and we aren’t exporting enough now.

If the ports report is as hinted by the Herald today, believes this country, struggling in export terms, can support Auckland’s wild dream, those who drew the report up are idiots.

Oh wait a minute, the report was commissioned by the Auckland City Council. That explains it.

Meanwhile, the answer for Auckland’s current port problem is Marsden Point.
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June 30, 2016 4:10pm
Shawn Herles

“kowtow would prefer that women in the armed force were called ‘men’, just to make things clear. When he has sex with a women, he possibly prefers to imagine her as a man, too.”

So much for obeying the KB rules as you have repeatedly claimed you do recently, eh mikey? 🙂

‘Personal Abuse

I want arguments attacked, not people.’

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy

Mikey, stephie, and Griffy, the KB queens of hypocrisy! 🙂
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June 30, 2016 4:14pm
Don the Kiwi

Shawn Herles (13,458 comments) says:
June 30th, 2016 at 4:01 pm
I think stephie just ran away with his tail between his legs. Again.

Yes Shawn, I think Stephen Boyle cannot come up with a decent argument, so he poses negative quotes, then asks questions.

Maybe one of the other of the stephieboy syndicate can help – I wonder if stephieboil can do better? 😉
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June 30, 2016 4:15pm
Jack5

Milky at 4.06:

kowtow would prefer that women in the armed forces were called ‘men’

I don’t speak for Kowtow, but the generic use of the word “man” was useful until PC fuckwits chose its generic use was a useful target they could use to make themselves relevant.

Also, I’m sure that males who choose to imagine the women they are having sex with are men are far more likely to be politically correct, unisex wimps than folk like Kowtow.

I’d be surprised if Kowtow were in the LGBTIA sector of society.
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June 30, 2016 4:18pm
Griff

Jack5
The shippers dont want the manukau to many problems.
Dredging and weather being the main issues.
http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/shippers-prefer-firth-thames-over-manukau-replace-auckland-port-b-191009
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June 30, 2016 4:21pm
mikenmild

I only mentioned it as a possibility, Shawn. Can you imagine any other reason why kowtow would prefer to refer to a woman as a man?
In the event he has taken offence, I apologise. Which reminds me, when are we going to be treated to another apology for your un-Christian behaviour on this blog? Your last effort was really quite amusing. Right up there with the miracle of limb regeneration.
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June 30, 2016 4:28pm
fernglas

Chuck Bird

You are right. Jim Burdett has said he wants to see his sister’s killer brought to trial. My erroneous comment was based on a recollection of him not wanting Teina Pora retried when that was a possibility after the Privy Council appeal. It doesn’t alter my opinion that Rewa is unlikely to be tried again
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June 30, 2016 4:33pm
thedavincimode

Christabel Pankhurst, suffragette and Christian fundamentalist. A look at the relationship between the suffragettes and Evangelical Christianity

Have you got the movie/DVD link for that Shawn? I tried to link it on My Sky but The History Channel doesn’t seem to have run the comb over that one.
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June 30, 2016 4:47pm
thedavincimode

When he has sex with a women, he possibly prefers to imagine her as a man, too

milky, that is nothing short of disgraceful. kowtow only thinks of the redbladder when he has sex – as you very well ought to know

edit: I’ve read about that limb regeneration. That’s some really good shit.
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June 30, 2016 4:50pm
mikenmild

You’ll be asked to apologise for that disgraceful piece of accuracy, DVM.
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June 30, 2016 4:51pm
thedavincimode

milky, I apologise if I offended your sensitivities in taking issue with you, but I was just so incensed.
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June 30, 2016 4:54pm
Griff

I tried to link it on My Sky

Try my sky daddy channel and you might find the program Te dvm
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June 30, 2016 4:54pm
Longknives

“Why did so many Christians support slavery ?”

Sweet Jeesus- Someone doesn’t know their History…
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June 30, 2016 4:54pm
thedavincimode

grief

I can’t do that because I’m not on first name terms with the Publisher in Chief.
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June 30, 2016 4:58pm
mikenmild

Gee, I wonder if the Bible had anything to say about slavery? Oh, yes:

Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free. And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.”
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June 30, 2016 5:01pm
nasska

Fortunately this blog is blessed by the presence of many who the Publisher in Chief speaks to on a regular basis Davinci. If you line their palms with few bits of silver they’ll probably be happy to intercede on your behalf. 🙂
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June 30, 2016 5:02pm
dad4justice

You know where to shove your silver hillbilly.
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June 30, 2016 5:04pm
thedavincimode

Jeremy Corbyn insisted he would not quit as Labour leader when he addressed a rally in London this evening.

Manolo, I think this is the best option for everyone in the absence of a new series of the Jacquie Brown Diaries.
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June 30, 2016 5:05pm
Griff

Welcome back d4j.
Did you have a good little holiday on the naughty step?
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June 30, 2016 5:08pm
thedavincimode

Mr Hillbilly, why does he seem to think you would shove your silver up his arse? Not only does the new prescription not appear to be working, but it seems to leave him even more confused than he was before his last little trip to the naughty corner.
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June 30, 2016 5:09pm
dad4justice

Grow up gripp.

Edit – watch my fan club go into disturbed frenzy.
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June 30, 2016 5:09pm
stigie

Now that’s not very nice Dad telling Nasska what to do ?

Please dont lose it too early Dad..?
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June 30, 2016 5:12pm
nasska

I read that & thought he was offering to do the seance for free Davinci. Strange thing to do with silver but different strokes for different folks. 🙂
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June 30, 2016 5:13pm
thedavincimode

watch my fan club go into disturbed frenzy
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June 30, 2016 5:13pm
mikenmild

Okay, religion time. Yesterday, I mentioned the rather odd story of the Holy Foreskin. Now, you might wonder whether there are any other strange objects that are worshipped by the God-addled. As it happens:
– at one time, up to ninety churches had samples of Mary’s breast milk.
– that Vatican has a towel on which Jesus dried his face. No word on the whereabouts of the Holy Toilet Paper.
– Mary Magdalene’s arm is preserved at a French Abbey. Pity they didn’t save the whole body: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fun:That_fine-ass_Mary_Magdalene
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June 30, 2016 5:15pm
Longknives

Welcome back D4J! Did you have a nice break?
Did you have more time to wrestle with Richie’s joystick over the Omarama Ranges?
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June 30, 2016 5:15pm
RF

Breaking news. Rugby wantabee thug Troy Flavell done for drink driving. Who f……n cares.

I see another wantabee rugby thug Arli Williams has decided that there is money to be made in France and is off to join Dan Carter.
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June 30, 2016 5:15pm
Manolo

On Brexit and Project Fear:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/29/was-brexit-fear-a-giant-hoax-or-is-this-the-calm-before-the-next/
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June 30, 2016 5:22pm
Shawn Herles

“You know where to shove your silver hillbilly.”

Naaska is not a hillbilly. I am! 🙂
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June 30, 2016 5:25pm
dad4justice

No Shawn you are a big tough yankee gator killer remember?
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June 30, 2016 5:26pm
Shawn Herles

“No Shawn you are a big tough yankee”

I’m a Southerner. There are no damn yankees in my family! 🙂
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June 30, 2016 5:29pm
dad4justice

Cool redneck brother 🙂
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June 30, 2016 5:31pm
stigie

Not much you get things right these days Dad..?
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June 30, 2016 5:31pm
Shawn Herles

Why do I get the feeling there is going to be very little debate tonight, but lots of entertainment? 🙂
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June 30, 2016 5:31pm
starboard

..whats going on “ere then..move along now

wheres that car grooming sodomite scott chris..
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June 30, 2016 5:36pm
mikenmild

Weather forecast for Hagley Park?
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June 30, 2016 5:38pm
Shawn Herles

“sodomite car groomer”

Is that an actual job description? 😉
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June 30, 2016 5:39pm
starboard

fixed it for ya Shawn..
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June 30, 2016 5:41pm
stigie

“Weather forecast for Hagley Park?”

Why, is there something going down you’re not telling us about Milky..?
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June 30, 2016 5:43pm
nasska

He earned his promotion to shoe salesman Shawn. 🙂
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June 30, 2016 5:43pm
Shawn Herles

I’m trying to figure out if advertising for a sodomote car groomer would violate the human rights act or not. 🙂
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June 30, 2016 5:46pm
starboard

“is there something going down”

only scottchris on some ole wino..
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June 30, 2016 5:47pm
mikenmild

You still pretending to be on holiday overseas, starboard?
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June 30, 2016 5:48pm
Manolo

The race is on:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/29/theresa-may-boris-johnson-announce-tory-leadership-bids
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June 30, 2016 5:51pm
starboard

err, thats right mm…umm, pretending to be on holiday. You’re a simple little man aren’t you mm and about as appealing as a yeast infection.
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June 30, 2016 5:54pm
Steve (North Shore)

The race is on. TV one news soon.
ready teddie go!
let the pimping and bitching begin.
Meanwhile my new Suzuki DF140 outboard is doing fine – need to clock up 10 hours for the first service.
What are all you morons doing tomorrow???????
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June 30, 2016 5:58pm
nasska

You’re on form tonight starboard. The sun, sea & ladyboys of Thailand obviously did the trick. 🙂
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June 30, 2016 5:58pm
Griff

Alcohol is a byproduct if a yeast infection in fruit juice story.
I see you are pining for a hoped for bum chum mate Scott Criss.
I dont think he returns the infatuation or inclination.
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June 30, 2016 5:59pm
Steve (North Shore)

Boom.
At 6pm you are all addicted
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June 30, 2016 6:00pm
starboard

“What are all you morons doing tomorrow???????”

Carrying your burley bags for you..
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June 30, 2016 6:00pm
Steve (North Shore)

and carrying the snapper back, you can have some
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June 30, 2016 6:02pm
nasska

…..”What are all you morons doing tomorrow???????”…..

Wrong time to ask that question on GD Steve…..after five the workers have their turn.

It’s from 8am to 5pm that the Godaddled idle swig sweet sherry & type shit. 🙂
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June 30, 2016 6:02pm
starboard

Really Gwiff..off your face and talking shit again I see. Oh dear, how untidy.
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June 30, 2016 6:02pm
Shawn Herles

“swig sweet sherry”

A true Godly man does not drink sherry. He drinks whiskey.

Sherry is for sodomite car groomers. 🙂
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June 30, 2016 6:05pm
starboard

Sure thing nasska , cant wait to get my wrinkly old arse back there ..one way next time once Ive sold up all my shit here.
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June 30, 2016 6:07pm
Steve (North Shore)

Ok nasska, I am one of the after 5’s, but tomorrow it may be after 5am on the harbour.
All those civil servants/public sector employees who do sweet fuck all, will still be in the office – on the blogs – and pretending to fish.
Milky Milo does a lot of fishing and catching – BUT – he has no life
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June 30, 2016 6:10pm
Griff

I see story has finally admitted its his wrinkly old arse that likes what happens in Thailand.
Well done story coming out will stop all that cognitive dissonance that makes you so negative and upset all the time .
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June 30, 2016 6:10pm
nasska

Hope it works out for you starboard but keep the price of a single ticket back in reserve.
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June 30, 2016 6:10pm
Steve (North Shore)

“swig sweet sherry”
say that out loud – dare ya
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June 30, 2016 6:12pm
starboard

” blah cough snort screeeeeeesh grunt puke wheeze wheeze ffaaart snort ”

@610..WTF did ya say gwiff ?
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June 30, 2016 6:16pm
starboard

nah Im gona go tits up over there nasska, hopefully on the job.

Gwiff, would you like me to explain all that to you s-l-ow-l-y.
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June 30, 2016 6:18pm
Nostradamus

Starboard:

my wrinkly old arse

And you’re going back to Thailand for more?
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June 30, 2016 6:24pm
mikenmild

Don’t you mean ‘over here’, starboard? Try to remember where you are pretending to be.
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June 30, 2016 6:28pm
starboard

Im back home you fuckwit, sheesh don’t you and ya mum speak..do keep up mikey.
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June 30, 2016 6:33pm
mikenmild

Oh, well do tell us next time you pretend to be overseas.
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June 30, 2016 6:38pm
stigie

Good grief, have you been giving Milky’s mum one again Starbored..?
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June 30, 2016 6:39pm
starboard

just a lazy one now and again stigie, feel sorry for ‘er.
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June 30, 2016 6:42pm
Shawn Herles

“starboard (4,972 comments) says:
June 30th, 2016 at 6:42 pm

just a lazy one now and again stigie, feel sorry for ‘er.”

Leave people’s mums out of it. Mothers are out of bounds. They are not a legitimate target for blog attacks. I have little time for mikey’s views, but attacking his mother in this way, or in any way, is seriously low.
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June 30, 2016 6:51pm
thedavincimode

wheres that car grooming sodomite scott chris.

Are you serious starboard? He does cars?? Probably nothing after 1952 with more than 4 cylinders & 800 cc. That’s pretty weird. Did his mother tell you that?
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June 30, 2016 7:10pm
mikenmild

Very chivalrous of you, Shawn, but Mum doesn’t care. She’s still a bit worried about starboard, though – he can’t get it up and only ever seems to get excited when he’s surfing his gay websites.
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June 30, 2016 7:17pm
starboard

aww Shawn, where ya been. Mikey’s mum and i have been an item for sometime now.

Yep scotty has a car grooming business Nosty so my sources tell me. Lots of buffing, polishing, and grinding goes on in an industrial unit out the back of Porirua. Eeewwww !
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June 30, 2016 7:17pm
Reid

A great short video on cognitive dissonance. A terrible scourge seen hear daily, over and over and over again.

So, whenever we say, “I refuse to believe,” we can be sure the evidence that’s coming our way is not bearable and that it’s conflicting with our worldview much too much.

Denial protects people from this kind of anxiety.

As I thought about all of these responses, I realised that what is common to every one of them is the emotion of fear. People are afraid of being ostracised, they’re afraid of being alienated, they’re afraid of being shunned, they’re afraid of their lives being inconvenienced, having to change their lives, they’re afraid of being confused, they’re afraid of psychological deterioration, they’re afraid of feeling helpless and vulnerable, and they’re afraid they won’t be able to handle the feelings that are coming out.

None of us want to feel helpless and vulnerable so we want to defend ourselves, and the way we often do that is with anger, we become angry, and when we become angry then we become indignant, we become offended, we want to ridicule the messenger, we want to pathologist the messenger and we want to censor the messenger.

Ring any bells?

No, of course not, YOU don’t act like that, at all, do you.

Oh the humanity!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do6o57N_SVA&feature=youtu.be
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June 30, 2016 7:23pm
thedavincimode

Nosty?

Got it; so isn’t the cars that he’s actually rooting then. He’s only depraved – not weird.
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June 30, 2016 7:24pm
Nostradamus

Shawn:

You probably missed this exchange, which shows that Mikenmild and Starboard are evenly matched when it comes to mum:

Starboard: Hows ya mum mm..dont worry, I’ll roll over and ask ‘er..

Mikenmild: Mum hasn’t been to Christchurch again since that last time you couldn’t get it up, starboard. Even 80 year olds have standards…

Definitely up there with the best exchanges on Kiwiblog!
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June 30, 2016 7:25pm
nasska

What about the rest of us who, rather than suffer from cognitive dissonance, merely consider the message to be a load of bollocks Reid?

Where do we fit into the picture? 🙂
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June 30, 2016 7:28pm
Shawn Herles

Well, I’ve said my bit and I’ll leave it to mike, but it rubs me the wrong way. Grrrr…..
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June 30, 2016 7:30pm
rangitoto

The Telegraph reporting that NZ is offering the UK their top trade negotiators to help them with Brexit.
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June 30, 2016 7:33pm
mikenmild

Well, starboard’s been rubbing Mum in very much the wrong way.
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