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Manolo

Up to this day Australia is paying a high price for this egregious mistake:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3960670/Lebanese-Christian-MP-Michael-Sukkar-agrees-Peter-Dutton-s-comments-Lebanese-Muslims-terrorism.html
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November 23, 2016 8:03am
- mikenmild
  
  That really is unusual: a Lebanese Christian who doesn’t get on with Lebanese Muslims.
  
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  November 23, 2016 8:20am
Pateke

Oh no! My hate speech was taken out of context. Even though I said hateful things all the lovey bits in the middle which were meant to offset the hate speech was left out and what remained was hate speech. I am truly sorry for being caught out, you blasphemous sons of dogs.
No room at our inn sunshine!
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November 23, 2016 8:06am
- kowtow
  
  Interesting will be the gummints’ response to our friend the imam. Seeing as how they can’t take a joke when honkey trangresses.
  
  “A recreational fisherman has been stripped of his South-East Marine Protection Forum membership for sending an ”offensive” email which included comments stereotyping Maori.”
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/southland/sacked-because-racist-email
  
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  November 23, 2016 8:21am
EAD

Loving Savants post this morning as he draws to our attention the economic failures of the Obama administration and how it has more than doubled the national debt in 8 years.

The USA took 230+ years to rack up its first $10 trillion in debt and less than 8 years for its second $10 trillion – Yet the MSM were warning us pre-election that it was Trump who posed a grave threat to America’s financial health!

http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2016/11/that-didnt-take-long.html?m=0

I won’t share the body of the text, but Savant finishes with a very straight to the point explanation for even the most unawares of persons as to just how grave the current economic (let alone demographic) predicament is for the USA:

But back to the Emperor and his doubling of the debt. The following chart uses a disarmingly simple technique to underline the gravity of the situation Trump has inherited.

United States Tax Revenues: $2,170,000,000,000

· Federal Budget: $3,820,000,000,000

· New Debt: $1,650,000,000,000

· National Debt: $14,271,000,000,000

Now, remove 8 zeros and pretend it’s a household budget.

· Annual Family Income: $21,700

· Money the Family Spent: $38,200

· New Debt on Credit Card: $16,500

· Outstanding Balance on Credit Card: $142,710

What cannot last will not last. But who’ll be left standing when the music stops?

Amen to that Savant – bet you won’t see that in the MSM anytime soon. “Hope & Change” or “Love Trump’s hate” are far easier topics to sell to todays “educated yoof”
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November 23, 2016 8:12am
- mikenmild
  
  I’m wondering what Trump’s plans to cut taxes and ramp up spending will do to that deficit and debt.
  
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  November 23, 2016 8:21am
  - cmm
    
    I don’t see any plans to spend up. Perhaps you are confusing him with Bernie and Clinton?
    
    Cutting key taxes is a good thing to do because that helps stimulate the economy (in a good way) and thus reduces state dependence (costs) as well as build more revenue (more business = more people/businesses paying tax).
    
    The most important thing to do with tax is simplify the tax laws. Just doing a really simple US tax return is harder than doing a relatively complicated tax return in NZ.
    
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    November 23, 2016 8:32am
    - Milhous
      
      cmm, re Trumps spending plans.
      
      He plans to keep entitlements on there current unsustainable spending trajectory.
      
      He plans to spend trillions on infrastructure (hasn’t explained how this will be done)
      
      He plans to spend billions on a stupid wall (….oh Mexico will pay for it…snigger)
      
      He plans to strengthen the military.
      
      Even if his fantastical notion that he can magically increase growth to 4% were true, he still falls massively short and has to Borrow to achieve even a fraction of this given his massive tax cuts
      
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      November 23, 2016 8:47am
    - MCos
      
      It’s a bit hard to figure out what Trump is going to do the way he’s backtracking on various campaign promises, but he has promised to spend money on the wall, deporting an indeterminate number of migrants, infrastructure, veterans and a lot on defense. All that from decreased government income, so I understand.
      By the way flitting back & forth between two homes won’t be cheap for the taxpayer
      
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      November 23, 2016 8:51am
      - fernglas
        
        Her’s another flip-flop from Trump, from today’s New York Times interview
        
        “President-elect Donald J. Trump said on Tuesday that he would “keep an open mind” about whether to pull the United States out of a landmark multinational agreement on climate change.
        
        During his presidential campaign, Mr. Trump repeatedly said he would withdraw from the Paris climate accord. But on Tuesday, he said, “I’m looking at it very closely. I have an open mind to it.”
        
        Mr. Trump’s comments came at an on-the-record lunch with the publisher, editors and reporters of The New York Times, a meeting that was scheduled, canceled, and then reinstated by Mr. Trump after a dispute with The Times over the ground rules.”
        
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        November 23, 2016 10:16am
    - Fletch
      
      A good indicator is that the Dow Jones closed above 19,000 for the first time in its 120-year history. The market is already responding positively to the things Trump says he will do.
      
      Dow 19,000 is the latest signal that the rally sparked by Donald Trump’s surprise presidential election win is broadening as investors continue to bet on the prospects for a more investor- and business-friendly White House and Congress.
      
      Whether the bullish hype turns out to be the right trade remains to be seen, as Trump has yet to get the keys to the White House or make one of his campaign promises come true.
      
      “Whatever else the future holds, Trump has already made the U.S. stock market great again,” Don Luskin, chief investment officer at financial firm TrendMacro, told USA TODAY.
      
      http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2016/11/22/stocks-dow-tuesday/94268404/
      
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      November 23, 2016 11:11am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    I have little confidence in Trump’s economic policy.
    
    But the total budget deficit for 2001-2008 under Bush was 2 trillion. For 2009-2016 it was 7.3 trillion – more than half of the current total.
    
    Electing a Republican instead of a Democrat is a good start.
    
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    November 23, 2016 9:21am
    - Milhous
      
      Nigel, Trump is no Republican.
      
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      November 23, 2016 9:34am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Agree, he is a pragmatist- with a touch of conservative. Just what they need. Solutions without being beholden to the Party line.
        It’s been working for us.
        
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        November 23, 2016 9:41am
    - Milhous
      
      He’s more like a 1960’s Democrat. an entitled Crony capitalist , espousing unworkable policies, wrapped in thinly veiled racism.
      
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      November 23, 2016 9:46am
      - waikatosinger
        
        You sure you haven’t got him mixed up with Hillary.
        
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        November 23, 2016 11:45am
    - stephieboy
      
      Nigel Kearny , the GOP performance under GWB was not very encouraging ,
      
      According to this source ,
      “.. the US deficit 2001 was 5.8 trillion of which GWB added $5.849 trillion, a 101 percent increase in the $5.8 trillion debt level at the end of Clinton’s last budget, FY 2001.
      
      Barack Obama: Added $7.917 trillion, a 68 percent increase in the $11.657 trillion debt level attributable to President Bush by the end of his last budget, FY 2009.
      
      https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296
      
      Just how Trump and the Republicans propose to significantly reduce this along with increased military spending , infrastructure projects including the Mexican wall , tax cuts etc remains to be seen .
      
      Borrow, Borrow , Borrow .. ?
      
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      November 23, 2016 10:27am
      - Manolo
        
        You should use the correct term President-elect when mentioning Trump’s name.
        
        After January 20 he will be POTUS. Get used to it.
        
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        November 23, 2016 10:31am
    - Gabby
      
      Well of course a lot of that is down to the preevislabagump.
      
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      November 23, 2016 9:15pm
- cmm
  
  Where did you get $14T from? The numbers I see are just a whisker this side of 20T
  
  http://www.usdebtclock.org/
  
  And the sad bit is that this is only part of the picture.
  
  Unfunded liabilities (stuff the Feds have promised to pay in the future) are more than $100T.
  
  All of (well at least most of) the states and municipalities are in debt as are the people themselves.
  
  It’s just a race to the bottom…
  
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  November 23, 2016 8:25am
  - EAD
    
    Correct CMM,
    
    This I believe was 2012 numbers. Zerohedge yesterday and Savant himself point that out in the article that it actually exceeds $20T.
    
    It’s only when it’s presented in the context of a household budget that you see how untenable the situation is.
    
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    November 23, 2016 8:33am
Manolo

A polite no, thanks.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/britain-tells-trump-no-vacancy-farage-ambassador-united-071737587.html
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November 23, 2016 8:14am
kowtow

Those ‘Germans’ are a nasty lot…….

…….had this been a US southern ‘redneck’ it would be front page world news, but being part of the so called diversity dividend , not so much.

“A man has been detained by police in northern Germany after he tied a rope around a young woman’s neck and dragged her down the street behind his car.”

http://www.thelocal.de/20161121/woman-hospitalized-after-man-drags-her-behind-car-on-rope
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November 23, 2016 8:17am
- cmm
  
  Wearing lederhosen and too much oompa music during Oktoberfest will do that to you.
  
  Oh no, what am I thinking… that’s Southern Germans and this incident was in the North.
  
  It must be some other factor. Maybe he’s a Buddhist? You know what they’re like!
  
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  November 23, 2016 8:39am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The article says they were from Kurdish families.
    
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    November 23, 2016 8:54am
- stephieboy
  
  The Local is a sleaze tabloid so I would think that MSM and others like me would treat it with the skepticism it deserves .
  
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  November 23, 2016 10:30am
Inandout

Trump speaks directly to America through Youtube on his plans for the US. Bypass the MSM and your message isn’t ‘edited’; clever.
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November 23, 2016 8:17am
- fernglas
  
  The disadvantage is that he can’t now claim he was misquoted. So if the “millions” of jobs from coal don’t materialise, he can properly be held to account
  
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  November 23, 2016 8:59am
  - dime
    
    oh no! he will have to accountable! how terrible!!!
    
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    November 23, 2016 9:29am
jonar

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11753216

President-elect Donald Trump has decided that he won’t seek criminal investigations related to former rival Hillary Clinton’s private email server or her family foundation, his campaign manager said today.
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Conway said Trump sees things differently. “I think when the President-elect, who’s also the head of your party, tells you before he’s even inaugurated that he doesn’t wish to pursue these charges, it sends a very strong message, tone and content” to fellow Republicans, she said. “Look, I think he’s thinking of many different things as he prepares to become the President of the United States, and things that sound like the campaign are not among them,” she added.

I wonder how many things “that sound like the campaign” will be dropped. Is this the biggest presidential con yet?
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November 23, 2016 8:19am
- Inandout
  
  Did Trump not also say he would now give Hillary ‘time to heal’? Brilliant, as we all know she suffered from a disease – delusion.
  
  His popularity is rising and so as long as he delivers on the important stuff like jobs and immigration he should be fine. Obama by comparison was a good orator, but was all talk and no do. Trump is not a smooth talker but he may well deliver what he promised.
  
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  November 23, 2016 8:47am
  - fernglas
    
    Perhaps it is acceptable in the US to bald-faced lie in order to get elected and then renege on your promises as soon as you get into power. “Things that sound like the campaign are not among…..” the things he will actually go ahead with? In other words, what I said to get elected is irrelevant, you will instead get an agenda that I didn’t care to discuss with you, probably because I didn’t understand it.
    
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    November 23, 2016 8:57am
  - Liberty
    
    Within a few days of Trump being elected
    Trump will keep most of Obama care.
    Hillary is now not going to Jail
    Trumps kids have been given Jobs
    That will just be the start.
    The man is a charlatan. He just pushed the right buttons,
    And the vulnerable got into line.
    Winston has been playing that card for years.
    How else would NZF get 5%?
    
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    November 23, 2016 9:42am
- Ross12
  
  Maybe Trump has found out the reality of Clinton’s health ( also Bill doesn’t look that healthy) and decided to take a humane approach. As for the Foundation –that is probably going to “die a slow death” as donors realise what has been going on ( Norway has already made major cutbacks).
  Also Jonar , Trump is still fundamentally a businessman. In business you have to change direction at times, be pragmatic and usually you don’t have an ideology to stick to because you want to get things done , not just talk about them
  
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  November 23, 2016 9:01am
  - Milhous
    
    Oh for FFS!!
    
    You loons go on about Clinton’s health, sucking up the fake news like 4 yr olds sucking up stories of Santa and Elves at xmas.
    
    The facts are she sustained intense campaigning for months without any clinical signs of the so called dementia or Parkinsons that were alleged. Sure she stumbled, much like Winston does on a Saturday night, but if that standard were to be applied to her, then we should also conclude that Trump has liver failure ( weird yellow skin) secondary to chronic cocaine use ( regular episodes of psychosis and constant sniffing)
    
    Fact is Trump said he would put her in Jail, Truth is, he’s a Liar.
    
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    November 23, 2016 9:21am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Stumbled ? Like when she was bundled into that van ? That wasn’t pneumonia because if it was she should most certainly not have had contact with a vulnerable child (in a staged piece of street theatre) immediately afterwards.
      
      I’m disappointed though, but not unexpectedly so, Clinton owns a lifetime “get out of Jail free” card. I was hoping for an independent prosecutor, so just for once we could have a proper investigation uncontaminated by partisanship.
      
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      November 23, 2016 10:04am
    - rangitoto
      
      Cite where Trump said he would put her in jail.
      
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      November 23, 2016 10:04am
      - mikenmild
        
        Really? You can’t Google that yourself? Last presidential debate, IIRC.
        
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        November 23, 2016 10:29am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Mikenmild, no, he did not say that. He said he would institute a proper independent investigation; and in a further response to Clinton, said “because you would be in Jail” with the clear connotation that the investigation would find her guilty.
        
        He didn’t say he would jail her, but that a proper investigation would be sure to find crimes to prosecute.
        
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        November 23, 2016 12:03pm
    - tom hunter
      
      I have much the same concerns as you re Trump but surely this is damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
      
      Perhaps some of his supporters were serious when they were chanting, “Lock her up. Lock her up” – or perhaps it was just the sort of tribal, pandering bullshit you get at political rallies. How many times did I hear “Bush lied. People died”, followed by demands and expectations of he and Cheney being “perp-walked” after Obama’s ascension to the throne.
      
      Didn’t happen. If Trump went after her post Jan 20 it could start a Roman Empire-like cycle of vengence that would do nobody any good.
      
      The judgement on her – with this as a significant factor – was made by the voters, as I think Comey intended back in July. Good enough.
      
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      November 23, 2016 10:12am
      - Milhous
        
        I suppose the difference is that Obama never said he would prosecute/jail Bush.
        
        Trump said her crimes where bigger than Watergate, he said he would prosecute, he said she would be in jail (if he were president)….and Johnny Hayseed went ” fuck yeah, I’m a gonna vote for the Donald”
        
        and now (amongst the other dial backs) he back tracks…Personally I don’t care, but the cumulative effect of these multiple flip flops will be very damaging for him
        
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        November 23, 2016 10:21am
      - tom hunter
        
        And millions of Obama voters were quite happy to ignore the collapse of the bullshit claim, “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. if you like your Doctor, …., not to mention the other claims from the stump, because they approved they figured that at least Obamacare advanced them down the field towards a US NHS.
        
        So it goes with politics. The heart rules the head.
        
        I’m more concerned with the damage that will be caused to the USA by not tackling the Social Security-Medicare/Medicaid tsunami, things that I have no doubt Trump will keep his word on not touching. That’s an area where I would fully approve of a flip-flop, but it would be “damaging” – as in thermo-nuclear bomb damaging – to any politician who went down that road.
        
        At this stage – in 2016 – I think the US is just going to have to crunch it on those programs. The Millenials and their following cohorts, will simply cut them back circa 2050, when the Boomers are mostly gone anyway and the system’s delivering 30 cents on the dollar. Too late but {“shrugs”}, that’s humans for you.
        
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        November 23, 2016 10:33am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Tom, I’d still rather that he appointed an independent prosecutor, and as far as is possible in the partisan world, a genuinely independent one. I think the principle “no matter how high you are, the law is higher” (although that’s Lord Denning in the UK) is a principle that cannot be over-emphasized.
        
        I’d have the investigation into three specific issues for a start, the classified information on her eMail server and who had access to it; the release of eMails subject to FOI and the Perjury issue in her declaration; and Obstruction of Justice around the final eMail deletion. Existing evidence unequivocally shows that she is guilty of the last two and no one, but no one, has been able to truthfully assert otherwise. As such, I find it offensive that she is allowed to walk free of such premeditated serious crimes.
        
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        November 23, 2016 12:11pm
      - tom hunter
        
        I agree Ed, but it’s “perfect world” stuff. If Trump did that, the degree of partisan politics that now exists means the Democrats would just oppose it full-stop, and even if it reached the stage of prosecution it would still be partisan. The trial would likely take a year or two, and the Trump administration would be distracted by this bullshit every single day. The likes of Chuck Schumer would love it.
        
        So, no. It’s rat swallowing I know, but I think the lesson has been learned by Democrat insiders, judging from the emails of many who also thought her private server idea was “nuts”.
        
        In the words of our beloved former Prime Minister (shudder), It Is Time To Move On. 🙂
        
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        November 23, 2016 1:43pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Ross 12 , she seemed pretty sharp and onto it during the Presidential debates . But she did have a bout of pneumonia not dementia .
    
    Fact!
    
    And a reminder that Trump has agreed to payout over Fraud charges Trump University to the tune of $25 Million .. He vowed not to do this during the campaign !
    
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    November 23, 2016 10:50am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Ah, Stephieboy, Clinton *claimed* to have had pneumonia; that is almost certainly (like 99% +) untrue because it came from the Clinton campaign.
      
      Not fact, spin.
      
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      November 23, 2016 12:06pm
- All_on_Red
  
  It’s very clever of him. By saying he won’t prosecute then there is now no need for Obama to issue a preemptive pardon- without it looking completely suspicious.
  But of course after Obama has gone, who is to say that the FBI finds sufficient evidence to then prosecute her…
  
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  November 23, 2016 9:08am
  - trout
    
    To put the record straight Trump said that there are no plans to prosecute Clinton (‘she is hurting’ etc etc) but ‘it is not off the table’.
    
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    November 23, 2016 9:15am
    - fernglas
      
      It’s pretty magnanimous of him not to pursue charges when it has never been the President’s job to be involved in the investigation and prosecution of criminal offences, and indeed it would be wrong for the President to do so.
      
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      November 23, 2016 9:37am
      - All_on_Red
        
        He had said he would appoint a Special Prosecutor. So he is retracting that.
        
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        November 23, 2016 9:43am
      - mikenmild
        
        The President does not appoint prosecutors. That’s the role of the Attorney-General. See Watergate for how that played out.
        
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        November 23, 2016 10:31am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Don’t be dense mikenmild, the President is effectively the AG’s superior, and although the AG is supposed to be above politics, Trump could certainly take a leaf from the Obama playbook and make his wishes on the appointment known and expect to have them followed. If not a prosecutor, a Grand Jury would work as well.
        
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        November 23, 2016 12:13pm
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red , another of the now squirming Trumpists desperately looking for wiggle room !
    
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    November 23, 2016 10:53am
    - All_on_Red
      
      GFY loser
      
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      November 23, 2016 2:06pm
- stephieboy
  
  jonar , good one ! He is also has a done a flip flop on the fraud charges over Trump University . He vowed during the campaign he would not settle but has agreed to a payout of $25 million.
  
  His empty rhetoric gives way the day to day realties of the trappings of power .
  
  Unsurprisingly the Trumpists here are now squirming !
  
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  November 23, 2016 10:43am
  - waikatosinger
    
    I don’t understand why people think being a fanatical ideologue with an entrenched position on every issue is a good thing in a politician. To me it just makes you an inflexible and unthinking human being with a closed mind.
    
    Trump has more flexibility and freedom to move than almost any president since the second world war. He isn’t beholden to established interests and his promises during the campaign were mostly just vague statements of intent. What the media breathlessly report as “flip-flopping” is mostly him getting up to speed on the issues and making up his mind. I don’t think it is a bad thing that his mind wasn’t already made up or that he changes it. As long as he doesn’t change his bedrock promise of putting America first in all his decisions his supporters won’t mind.
    
    Many of his supporters have very low expectations of him anyway, quite the opposite of Obama whose supporters thought he could walk on water and would deliver the Sun Moon and Stars. Obama had an impossible job living up to his own image. It won’t be hard for Trump to exceed expectations.
    
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    November 23, 2016 12:14pm
- Fletch
  
  Ann Coulter made the statement that it doesn’t mean anything. Trump still has the DOJ and FBI to do those jobs. he doesn’t have to do it himself. This may be a tactic to stop Obama pardoning her before he leaves.
  
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  November 23, 2016 11:18am
Happychappy

After listening to Paul Henry on the Hub this morning and his thoughts on Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte. He promised his Country and it’s people that he would use the the death penalty to rid it of drug users and it’s distributers and has kept his promise with over five thousand meeting their keeper.So I had a thought that i think would help him get elected as Prime Minister that would beat any Policy that he has put foward so far.I would to suggest to Andrew that if he promised to rid New Zealand of all inept,bias and corrupt Journalists he would have more chance of becoming the PM than any policy he is campaigning on now
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November 23, 2016 8:26am
- mikenmild
  
  Would you propose to adopt Duterte’s method of extrajudicial killings to rid us of the journalists wiht whom you disagree?
  
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  November 23, 2016 8:31am
  - Happychappy
    
    The word i used was rid not kill.And i quite often comment on their lies,which in my view is not fact.
    
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    November 23, 2016 8:37am
    - mikenmild
      
      How would the government ‘rid’ the country of journalists, then?
      
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      November 23, 2016 8:40am
      - Happychappy
        
        You Can’t because like you and me you have the chance to spew your beliefs on sites like we comment on now.But saying that if the law was changed and every person had the same right as a Journalist instead of the courts determining otherwise you might change the perception to the way people hold Journalism.
        
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        November 23, 2016 8:53am
      - markm
        
        unions have been very good at getting rid of those they don’t like.
        Rides in aeroplanes where less passengers land than takeoff for example.
        Soft tissue used as reinforcing instead of steel in large construction.
        Dont underestimate AAs Union mates when it comes to “Ridding” they are the best.
        
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        November 23, 2016 8:54am
      - mikenmild
        
        Fascinating. Could you please provide some examples of these union murders?
        
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        November 23, 2016 10:32am
      - ross411
        
        Send them to the promised land of Venezuela where they can all start their own unions, and enjoy their equal share of the rewards of the success socialism has wrought there.
        
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        November 23, 2016 11:14am
- kowtow
  
  Ah the Duterte visit , any soap dodgers protesting that? Nope , cos he’s not a Yank or Israeli.
  
  Duterte is a very dangerous loon .But cos he’s brown and hates ‘Merica people are relatively quiet about his abuses.
  
  ps Kowtow hates drug traffickers but due process is a fundamental right.
  
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  November 23, 2016 9:03am
  - Gabby
    
    Do Turdy was just in and out. Christ knows what he was doing here. Recruiting death squaddies from dairy workers maybe.
    
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    November 23, 2016 9:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Trust me, I’m your manager

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201824952/union-tells-members-not-to-work-in-niwa-buildings
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November 23, 2016 8:33am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  We can try to make do without NIWA for a while. Reminds of the Seinfeld joke about the New York doorman strike.
  
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  November 23, 2016 9:03am
  - Liberty
    
    Do we really need a department of academics spending the day
    Watching fluffy clouds cross the sky.
    The state then wastes another 35m on National radio. To inform
    The little people that there is a high probability that there might be
    Sun,rain and wind sometime this month.
    A better option would be sell off/close down both departments.
    The populace then just looks out the window. Most people will get on just fine.
    
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    November 23, 2016 10:07am
    - mikenmild
      
      Even by Kiwiblog standards, that’s a profoundly ignorant comment.
      
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      November 23, 2016 10:34am
      - Liberty
        
        I have only 25,540 comments to catch up.
        
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        November 23, 2016 11:08am
      - starboard
        
        Awesome. Could you please show evidence of other profoundly ignorant comments on Kiwiblog.
        
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        November 23, 2016 1:59pm
    - sam green
      
      Really liberty? NIWA do a bit more than watch clouds go by. Educate yourself – you’re sounding like a Luddite.
      
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      November 23, 2016 1:22pm
      - Liberty
        
        It doesn’t take much to wind up a lefty.
        lighten up.The comment was a taking the piss. I am fully aware
        NIWA do a lot more than watch clouds go by.
        That doesn’t mean the work has to be done by a Government department. Nor do we need a state radio.
        Paying 35million to maintain national radio for weather forecasts and socialist dribble.
        The only luddites around here are labour,Green and NZF apologists who are stuck in a time warp.
        
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        November 23, 2016 6:56pm
starboard

Craziness , madness , shopped robbed four times by armed filth.
I know the nite and day, its in scumsville populated by predominately maori.
They deserved to be caught and publicly shot.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/86763929/christchurch-convenience-store-robbed-for-fourth-time
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November 23, 2016 9:07am
- calendar girl
  
  For criminals, such convenience stores now have the attraction of banks. That’s not surprising when punitive Government taxes have pushed the price of a pack of cigarettes well past $20.
  
  Actions have consequences. (All for our own benefit, of course. )
  
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  November 23, 2016 10:30am
- sam green
  
  Craziness. madness! Starboard roots ladyboy!
  
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  November 23, 2016 1:35pm
  - starboard
    
    oh ok I’ll bite….sigh. Sure Sam..then shortly after I drove around to your place while you were working at KFC and gave ya missus one. ( Gawd shes fat )
    Yaaawn.
    
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    November 23, 2016 2:02pm
    - sam green
      
      She doesn’t live in Bangkok silly.
      
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      November 23, 2016 2:57pm
- jonar
  
  Last burglar we had was a white guy from Woolston. Also had a spate of burglaries committed in the area by two white innocent-looking teenage girls.
  
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  November 23, 2016 2:09pm
  - starboard
    
    No they weren’t jonar… and you know it.
    
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    November 23, 2016 2:30pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    yeah ? Well my two home invaders in 2013 were brown ferals age 16 in school uniform.
    I wonder how they’re getting on in life now ?
    And I saw one family in family conference – they were all total braindead losers to the last. And too many to count. Default face expression of a surprised drunk.
    
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    November 23, 2016 8:23pm
Scott

I think we do have to give Trump a chance. His promise of cutting taxes and regulations is very likely to kickstart the US economy and bring back jobs and get the whole economy moving again.
He does have to do something about entitlement spending that’s true.
One thing he will do is repeal and replace Obama care which is a massive drain on the economy. Putting in place something much more affordable will also help the balance of payments.

There is going to be a lot of infrastructure spending and he will build a wall so that will cost a lot of money. However the infrastructure spending can be seen as an investment and building a wall and securing the border will save the American taxpayer millions of dollars in the long run. The cost of illegal immigration on such things as hospitals and schools is immense.

But I repeat we have to give him a chance. Obama had 8 years and in that time did what all leftists do which is spend money like a drunken sailor on shore leave. Under his watch the national debt went from $10 trillion to $20 trillion.

Scott predicts that the US economy will boom in the next 4 years. This will enable much of the national debt to be repaid. I also predict this will be good for the New Zealand economy.

Lastly I look forward to the demise of Isis in the next 4 years. It’s about time those savages got their comeuppance.
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November 23, 2016 9:09am
- stephieboy
  
  Scott , I posted this earlier ,
  
  According to this source the US deficit 2001 was 5.8 trillion of which GWB added $5.849 trillion, a 101 percent increase in the $5.8 trillion debt level at the end of Clinton’s last budget, FY 2001.
  
  Barack Obama: Added $7.917 trillion, a 68 percent increase in the $11.657 trillion debt level attributable to President Bush by the end of his last budget, FY 2009.
  
  https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296
  
  Just how Trump and the Republicans propose to significantly reduce this along with increased military spending , infrastructure projects ( including the Mexican wall. ) tax cuts etc remains to be seen .
  
  Borrow, Borrow , Borrow .. ?
  
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  November 23, 2016 10:58am
  - Scott
    
    Stephieboy – your numbers are different from the ones that I have seen. Suffice to say that the Washington Times is calling Obama “the $20 trillion man” because by the time he leaves office the national debt will likely top $20 trillion.
    My understanding is that he has incurred more debt than all of the other presidents of the United States combined.
    The idea that leftists are worrying about the debt now that Trump is about to take office is absurd. Leftists never cared a jot about the debt while Obama was spending money wildly. Now that you have a businessman coming into office suddenly find that you care about the debt!
    
    It’s just ridiculous. People are not standing for it, such hypocrisy. Trump will get the economy moving again, businesses will grow, the balance of payments will improve, and the debts will start to go down.
    
    Scott predicts good times ahead.
    
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    November 23, 2016 11:05am
    - stephieboy
      
      Scott , please do the decent thing and cite your deficit figures ?
      
      Good times were had under Obama also with among the lowest unemployment rates in the OCED – 4 . 9 % ( lower than even ours )
      
      http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
      
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      November 23, 2016 11:10am
      - ross411
        
        Obama changed the definition of unemployment, which helps. So your citing was worth little in the end.
        
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        November 23, 2016 11:18am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Bwhahahahhahhahahahaha
        He’s been told that so many times, what a retard.
        
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        November 23, 2016 2:08pm
Michael

I am too late to comment on the Pike River Mine closure blog, but could I just say that , in my opinion, if there are a couple of members of that community who are prepared to enter the mine why not let them, providing they sign a waiver agreeing that no-one will sue the government or anyone else should entering the mine cause their deaths. I mean people take risks every day, so why not let someone take the risk of entering that mine?
Otherwise we will never hear the end of it.
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November 23, 2016 9:20am
Colville

What is up with weather forecasters?

There is a SEVERE WEATHER WATCH for southern hawkes bay for today. I look out the doors and its dead clam , clear skys and scalding hot.

Are these pricks just taking the piss?
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November 23, 2016 9:25am
EAD

In News from ~~Africa~~ London –

A police officer was beaten to the ground and his colleague punched in the jaw in a terrifying attack by a mob of up to 30 schoolchildren in south London, Scotland Yard revealed today.

The two officers were on routine patrol in Lewisham when they were set upon by the group of teenagers after they spotted a youth trying to hide a large knife

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/mob-of-30-schoolchildren-ambush-and-beat-up-two-met-police-officers-a3401741.html

Thank God we haven’t got too many Africans in NZ just yet.
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November 23, 2016 9:28am
- kowtow
  
  Melbourne is enjoying the diversity dividend that exotic Africans bring.
  
  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-21/police-and-experts-gather-in-melbourne-to-discuss-youth-crime/7647594
  
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  November 23, 2016 9:50am
  - Manolo
    
    Long live multiculturalism and its endless civilised joys!
    
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    November 23, 2016 9:57am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    I agree. I will say however that the African looking folks at pns Porirua are middle class, well dressed, likeable and quite good looking. Some come from South America.
    One little African girl today – so pretty – shame there’s so few of them and so many fugly polys.
    
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    November 23, 2016 8:29pm
- mikenmild
  
  Well done, EAD. Eight upticks from potential Nazi recruits for you…
  
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  November 23, 2016 10:36am
  - EAD
    
    Well done, EAD. Eight upticks from potential Nazi recruits for you…
    
    CORRECTION:
    
    Well done, EAD. Sixteen upticks from race realists for you…
    
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    November 23, 2016 8:10pm
    - mikenmild
      
      You should start a club/political party/einzatzgruppe.
      
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      November 23, 2016 8:15pm
  - EAD
    
    I know what you should do Milkmaid (apart from get a life outside of KB) – use even more emotionally laden, nonsensical hysteria to get your point (whatever that is) across.
    
    Sure worked for Hillary, you should really double down with your brain farts…. 🙂
    
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    November 23, 2016 8:52pm
- stephieboy
  
  EAD , here is a Female Police officer being viciously attacked in Glasgow by a group of white thugs and filming the obscenity ,
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3778958/Thug-attacked-female-police-officer-partner-street-jeering-mob-filmed-mobiles-escapes-jail.html
  
  Would you welcome them here ?
  
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  November 23, 2016 11:15am
- RF
  
  Keep the African bastards out of NZ
  
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  November 23, 2016 9:00pm
dime

this thread is great. so many butthurt lefties 🙂

President Elect Donald J Trump. Love it.

I didnt think anything could top the humor of W’s reign. Glorious.
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November 23, 2016 9:33am
tom hunter

The kerfuffle over the cast of Hamilton lecuring VP-elect Pence will soon fade and be forgotten. But before it is there are a couple of articles that nail the issue.

First up is this list of Tweets, Facebook’s, Photos and so forth, where the cast “fan-girling over Hillary. Take a look at this collection of vomit-inducing slobbering.

This is not ideological, even around identity politics; Hillary gets the hugs from gay cast members despite her having “evolved” on gay marriage recently (same with Obama), whereas Trump was cool with it at least as far back as the late 1990’s, but gets no love from this group.

This is partisanship, pure and simple.
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November 23, 2016 9:44am
- Fletch
  
  Most of the cast hasn’t even voted in years…
  
  http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/classic-liberal-hypocrisy-turns-out-hamilton-stars-havent-voted-years
  
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  November 23, 2016 11:32am
tom hunter

Then there’s this piece, And this is why I was a closeted conservative when I worked on Broadway:

My old industry making headlines for a blatantly political gesture designed not just to shame Vice-President-elect Pence but to call-out all of us who might have had the audacity to hope Hillary Clinton not be our 45th President.

Oh, the actors might rush to say that “Republicans are all welcome” to their play. But creative people in a medium as visual and impactful as theatre know very well the net results of this political grandstanding.

“If you don’t agree with us on politics, you’re going to be lectured to and publicly shamed,” is the message conservatives, Republicans and anyone who wasn’t #WithHer received from this little episode, whether that was the actors’ intent or not.

He’s being too kind in that last and it contradicts his previous point: it was their intent and they know exactly what they’re doing.

I heard from an actor who pointed out that the performers on stage are in the most prominent position of privilege the industry could ever provide an actor. They appear in the hottest play in the country and have a steady Actor’s Equity contract with full benefits along with a job for the next decade, if they want it.

The idea that these well-paid thespians represent “the diverse America” that is concerned with the direction of the country is absurd, this actor said. They represent the elite not just in this country, but in their own industry. It wasn’t lost on this actor friend of mine that these cast members live a far better lifestyle than the Americans they claim to represent.

Ding, ding, ding, ding,…..

Indeed I can tell you from first hand experience that in the theatre industry diversity is only skin-deep and genital-high. It’s the superficial and irrelevant differences of race, ethnicity, gender and sexuality that the members of the theatre community obsess over, not the more important and challenging intellectual diversity of opinions that they reject and ignore.

The point I made the other day – which was explicitly rejected by one of the Left-wing commentators here. We’re a long way from Martin Luther King’s dream of being judged by the content of our characters rather than our cosmetics. Which leads to this:

I am thinking about the actor who stood on that stage disagreeing with the spectacle unfolding before him. I am thinking about the musician who may have voted for Gary Johnson. Or the usher who saw their health care costs skyrocket due to Obamacare. Or the stage hand whose son is in the Marines and he wants a Commander-in-Chief who will fight the war on terror in a vigorous and effective way.

They are silent. Nobody hears their voice because nobody at the Richard Rogers Theatre (or any other theatre on Broadway) cares to listen to their voice. They’ve been told that their voice is not welcome. They’ve been told that they are to stay silent if they want to keep their careers.

The number of “unfriendings” in recent days between people that my wife has observed on her Facebook page is staggering. And she long ago learned to keep her opinions to herself, even though she hates Trump.

My former colleagues in the theatre industry claim they want to foster discussion and they hope for a dialogue about these issues, but they are being disingenuous, at best. They don’t want a dialogue, they want a monologue.

That’s what we saw on Friday night from the stage on 46th street. A monologue. A speech. A lecture. It was patronizing and it was condescending and there was no room for rebuttal.

Or as another person put it: They talk. You listen.
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November 23, 2016 9:57am
- dime
  
  virtue signalling crap from the actors.
  
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  November 23, 2016 10:11am
Happychappy

So for all British media calling Sam Canes tackle a red card offence and showing their disgust at NZ for challenging the call the International Rugby Disciplinary Committee have dismissed the charge of a high and dangerous tackle.
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November 23, 2016 10:04am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Dickheads aren’t they ? He almost just found himself running into the ball carrier before he could try to demonstrate the coaching manual technique or do anything else. Up around the shoulders – is that illegal now ? Red card my arse – pffff – idiots.
  
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  November 23, 2016 8:35pm
tom hunter

It’s a real shame because over the last year I’ve really been enjoying the whole Hamilton success. I even got my daughter and several of her teenage friends onto it and they’ve got to the point of singing some of their favourite bits in school classrooms – more “Buzzfeed memes” I am informed. Of course they’re studying Level 3 NCEA History and their topic is the American Revolution so…

And it has been great to see a “diverse” cast perform a musical that actually celebrates the Founding Fathers, rather than the Old Dead White Racist Male excoriation that’s been the standard for the past thirty years. So yay! American taking steps forward.

And now this: several steps backward.
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November 23, 2016 10:05am
- mikenmild
  
  Do you enjoy Hamilton less now that you know the cast express political opinions?
  
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  November 23, 2016 10:16am
Manolo

Until the very last minute:
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-11-22/obama-urged-to-free-asylum-seekers-before-trump-takes-office

Immigration advocates are asking the Obama administration to release thousands of detained Central American women and children who want asylum in the U.S., citing concerns that Donald Trump will deport them after his inauguration in January.
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November 23, 2016 10:09am
Manolo

How many B-listers, starlets and snowflakes will emigrate?
http://www.kens5.com/news/politics/federal-judge-if-you-dont-like-trump-you-should-go-to-another-country/353652060

Donald Trump’s election looms over a U.S. citizenship ceremony in San Antonio, as the judge presiding over the ceremony says if you don’t like that Trump will be president, go to another country.

“I can assure you that whether you voted for him or you did not vote for him, if you are a citizen of the United States, he is your president,” Judge John Primomo said. “He will be your president and if you do not like that, you need to go to another country.”
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November 23, 2016 10:36am
rangitoto

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3961160/Rape-allegation-British-woman-faced-jailed-extra-marital-sex-Dubai-THROWN-police.html

Can someone explain this to me?
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November 23, 2016 10:38am
- pentwig
  
  I am sure daffy will be glad to.
  
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  November 23, 2016 11:18am
- stephieboy
  
  Dubai has strict morality laws that thank goodness to progressive and liberal thinking here we don’t .
  
  From your link ,
  
  “All sex outside marriage, including adultery, is illegal in the United Arab Emirates, while same-sex marriages are not recognised and all homosexual sex is illegal.”
  
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  November 23, 2016 11:25am
  - rangitoto
    
    Can you explain why the women would be charged for being raped. Do you also get charged if your house gets burgled
    
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    November 23, 2016 11:33am
    - fernglas
      
      She was charged with having sex outside marriage. The two men had left, but the Police said there was footage on one of their phones showing the sex to have been consensual. Who knows? Definitions of consent vary wildly between cultures.
      
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      November 23, 2016 2:12pm
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        She’s still alive so it must’ve been consensual.
        
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        November 23, 2016 8:52pm
- kowtow
  
  “Can someone explain this to me?”
  
  One word…….Islam.
  
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  November 23, 2016 2:26pm
Happychappy

I wonder what Andrew Little’s response would be if MSM collectively all did a column about why he should not be trying to score Political points by siding with the Pike River Family’s in their quest to bring their love ones out.I have just read a piece on Andrew Little’s involvement in this tragic happening on Whale Oil and while some here have know time for Slater it is a very well written and enlightening Column that will have the leader of the opposition squirming.Why other Journalists are not highlighting these facts is beyond me.
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November 23, 2016 10:40am
- Gabby
  
  Maybe Fat Cambo’s not being entirely truthful. He can be a bit of a crappy chappy that way.
  
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  November 23, 2016 8:51pm
big bruv

Supreme arrogance from a NZRU cheerleader.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/86769288/control-yourselves-ireland-youve-replaced-england-as-the-new-whingers-of-world-rugby
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November 23, 2016 10:47am
- Manolo
  
  But also very true, bruv. The whingeing Irish are becoming tiresome.
  
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  November 23, 2016 10:57am
  - big bruv
    
    Rubbish, the Irish have legitimate arguments. If you read the article that idiot Johnston even has the temerity to question the spear tackle as if it was nothing to moan about. I might really dislike the NZ rugby team but I positively hate the way our stupid sporting media see every negative comment about the NZ team as being something they have to defend. It’s juvenile and pathetic.
    
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    November 23, 2016 11:15am
    - mikenmild
      
      ‘juvenile and pathetic’?
      And how should we describe your constant whining about the All Blacks?
      
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      November 23, 2016 11:53am
      - big bruv
        
        Accurate is the word I would use.
        
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        November 23, 2016 7:22pm
- jonar
  
  Did they not realise they stirred the beast with their historic victory, that the All Blacks would come at them with increased tempo and physicality in Dublin?
  
  Didn’t the All Blacks field a second-string side in the first test?
  
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  November 24, 2016 10:25am
Manolo

Those poor Germans should blame ruinous Mamma Merkel for this situation:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/22/a-third-of-germans-feel-like-strangers-in-their-own-country/

Around 34% of Germans reportedly “completely or slightly agree” with the statement “because of the many Muslims, I sometimes feel like a stranger in my own country.”

The report, from German nonprofit Friedrich-Ebert-Stiftung, surveyed the feelings of German citizens in reaction to increased Muslim migration to the country.
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November 23, 2016 11:05am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , now come on ? Germany’s population 80 million of which 2.4 % ( 4.3 Million ) are Muslim ?
  
  Sheesh !
  
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  November 23, 2016 11:19am
  - Manolo
    
    How many more Muslims you want in NZ, stephieboy? How many?
    
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    November 23, 2016 11:23am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      50 x Mt Roskill minimum . . .
      
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      November 23, 2016 8:47pm
  - Jack5
    
    Is my calculator wrong or is Stephie X lying to us kaffirs again?
    
    He says 4.3 million Muslims in a population of 80 million is 2.4 per cent. I make that to be be 5.4 per cent , or 5.37 per cent to be precise to two decimal places.
    
    Over 5 per cent. Time to send the buggers back to the Middle East!
    
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    November 23, 2016 6:57pm
Captain Mainwaring

This guy seems a bit of a hard case.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/86772355/recreational-fishing-lobbyist-sacked-over-offensive-newsletter

Shame he got sacked, we need more like him working for Government, not less.
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November 23, 2016 11:20am
JasonJohns

‘How many more Muslims you want in NZ, stephieboy? How many?’

Time to count and register and map them, so we know what we’re dealing with.
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November 23, 2016 11:28am
RF

The worm has turned. Sweet cheeks Grant was on Rachel’s 5am New Talk ZB show this morning and managed to piss her off by overtalking her.

She made a rather cutting comment to Mike Hosking at shift change about it not being a good look for Labour who were trying to get their message out.

Even Twit Twyford who was standing in for Moon Beam this morning on the Mike Hosking show could not help but make a fool of himself when discussing the Kaikoura EQs. Rather than taking a bipartisan approach he made smart anti National comments that were quickly smacked down by Joyce.

Not a good morning for Labour who appear to be getting desperate to score political points.
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November 23, 2016 11:42am
Manolo

Warren Buffett, number one fan and staunch supporter of the corrupt Hillary Clinton, makes a mint:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/22/warren-buffett-sees-7-billion-dollar-boom-on-donald-trump-win.html

The multibillionaire head of Berkshire Hathaway has seen his investment portfolio explode in the days since Trump’s stunning upset Nov. 8.
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November 23, 2016 11:57am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, and I dare say casino Billionaire Trump fans Sheldon Adelson and Steve Wynn would of done exactly the same ,
  
  http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/11/15/sheldon-adelson-steve-wynn-join-donald-trumps-inauguration-team/93933716/
  
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  November 23, 2016 3:18pm
  - Manolo
    
    Of course. I’m not blaming Mr Buffett, but highlighting the unforeseen (and delightful) consequences of Trump’s victory for him.
    
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    November 23, 2016 3:33pm
Stars And Stripes

New Ghetto Planned For Auckland
http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/new-hnz-apartments-to-be-built-in-waterview-2016112310
“The Government will be building a new Housing New Zealand apartment complex for disadvantaged families in Waterview west Auckland”.

If you are unlucky to live anywhere near this proposed development might be a good time to shift before all the scum arrive and pollute the place.
Sure it will be your standard recipe of dishevelled refugees, beneficiaries and other assorted trash who within about a year of moving in will have the place looking like Somalia.
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November 23, 2016 1:41pm
- stephieboy
  
  Stars and Stripes , and you have the nerve to criticise Dr Mohammad Anwar Sahib and his anti Jewish rants ?
  
  Nasty fellows .
  
  Do keep us updated about life in South Auckland ,
  
  https://static2.stuff.co.nz/1261423892/196/3185196.jpg
  
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  November 23, 2016 3:22pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    That post is even dumber than normal for you as I have made no comment about Anwar Sahib at all on KB and I don’t live in South Auckland either as I have mentioned more times than you have got excited over small firm breasts.
    
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    November 23, 2016 3:33pm
  - starboard
    
    Ah yes, stiffy the St Lukes lurker..watching nubile young muslim girls drinking coffee..is that where you have been all day stiffy? Perving at young muslim girls breasts? You should be ashamed of yourselves.
    
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    November 23, 2016 3:43pm
Ross12

Interesting article about how Trump’s son-in-law helped the campaign, especially with social media. Starting from knowing nothing about social media and how it could be used, to basically out smarting Schmidt from Google/Alphabet who had all the resources of Silicon Valley available to him, plus hundreds of millions of dollars.
To his credit Schmidt acknowledges it.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenbertoni/2016/11/22/exclusive-interview-how-jared-kushner-won-trump-the-white-house/#30f309752f50
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November 23, 2016 1:49pm
Stars And Stripes

New Zealand extends Pacific seasonal labour scheme
http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/318741/new-zealand-extends-pacific-seasonal-labour-scheme
“The New Zealand Government has announced plans to increase in the number of seasonal workers under its Recognised Seasonal Employer scheme.
The RSE scheme will now increase by 1,000 workers to 10,500 for the coming horticulture and viticulture season”.

Just keep bringing in more unskilled Islanders to do menial jobs because making our lazy beneficiaries in this country do the jobs is in the too hard basket.
Just keep paying them the benefit and don’t ruffle any feathers and hopefully the problem will go away.
Spineless form of government at best.
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November 23, 2016 2:09pm
- Jack5
  
  Dead right, Stars and Stripes. The politicians have stabbed New Zealand in the back.
  
  It’s also economically wrong. Industrial progress has been driven by continuous pressure to increase labour productivity by mechanical (and now electronic) innovations. This drive comes from the continuous quest to reduce labour as a proportion of product cost.
  
  NZ is instead building export industry on the back of cheap, imported labour. This has caused the relatively poor progress of NZ in productivity, which is measured on labour as a base.
  
  Think this is just temporary immigration? Look what happened to California with temporary agricultural workers from Mexico. They have followed temporary work visits with permanent settlement, legal and illegal. The Mexicans became a very big, politically powerful portion of the state’s population.
  
  It’s also socialistic, in that taxpayers support the temporary immigrants with health and regulatory supervision costs.
  
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  November 23, 2016 2:35pm
- wiseowl
  
  Interesting.
  I was talking to a grower this morning who had been approached by a number of contractors looking for work for RSE people as the apple crop is lighter and doesn’t need the normal thinning job.
  This will mean any kiwis looking for work will likely miss out to the scheme workers.
  
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  November 23, 2016 2:35pm
- fernglas
  
  It seems to happen in other places too. One of the big growers over in the UK was bewailing Brexit because they couldn’t get Brits to take on work that was
  a) Seasonal
  b) away from home
  c) hard.
  
  I used to live in area where the farms were all fenced with walls of volcanic stone built during the 30’s depression by men who were moved away from their homes and families but worked because they had to.
  
  Times change
  
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  November 23, 2016 2:42pm
All_on_Red

‘ by selecting Jeff Sessions to be his attorney general on Friday, Trump made his first Cabinet pick at an earlier date — Nov. 18 — than most of his immediate predecessors as president-elect. According to The Washington Post, just two of the 70 Cabinet picks by newly elected presidents since 1980 had come by that date, both of them by George H.W. Bush.’
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-naming-his-cabinet-ahead-of-schedule/?utm_content=buffer98e96&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

I seem to recall some leftie morons trying to criticise Trump being disorganised and way behind other President Elects in selecting their Transition teams and Cabinet.
How wrong they were.
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November 23, 2016 2:14pm
- fernglas
  
  Those other Presidents would have had to choose from a far greater number of competent people who were prepared to work with them than Trump can.
  
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  November 23, 2016 2:45pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Sure, like Hillary Clinton. Loretta Lynch, Lisa Jackson, Gina McCathy, John Kerry etc
    BwhahahahahHahhahahahahahahahahah
    
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    November 23, 2016 4:42pm
Jack5

A steel fabricator climbs on the earthquake bandwaggon to demand quicker and easier access to Chinese and other immigrant workers.

Why doesn’t it just pay the market wage for locals?

Surely I’m not the only one who’s sceptical about local firms bringing in cheap foreign labour when we have unemployed young New Zealanders.

These businesses strike me as being unpatriotic, and sneaky.

Once New Zealand business people were proud of their apprenticeship and training schemes. What has happened?

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/318735/call-to-speed-up-migrant-work-visa-process-after-quake
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November 23, 2016 2:30pm
fernglas

I think the problem is that they need skilled people now, not in 3 years. But I agree that our apprenticeship system is a disgrace. Every kid I know is out getting a generally worthless degree or looking for a non-existent job in the media or marketing. The wealthiest people I know are those who got into a trade straight from school and then parlayed that into employing others. It’s the old rule; selling your own time will never make you rich.
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November 23, 2016 2:50pm
- Jack5
  
  Perhaps not rich, Fernglas, but dentists seem to do pretty well everywhere.
  
  And some lawyers charging for their own alleged time, outdo bank robbers.
  
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  November 23, 2016 3:34pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Chinese workers are not skilled. They are poorly trained, 3rd-world-ignorant (Chinese govt treats them like mushrooms), mostly poorly motivated, are lazy/half-arsed about everything they do and for labouring classes will struggle to gain even basic english skills/literacy due to the extreme foreignness of alphabetic language that requires use of grammer (that they have never formed the necessary brain path-ways to enable undrestanding/adaptions).
  
  There are probably a billion people in the world who would bring better skills and adapt better to NZ. Eastern and Southern Europe, Mexico, Phillipines, Thailand, India, Mongolia (super smart), and parts of asia where english is common.
  
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  November 23, 2016 10:18pm
mandk

“Kerfuffle”, as used by tom hunter earlier, is a great word.

It reminds me of a story about a dispute in a Lebanese restaurant. It was a falafel kerfuffle.
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November 23, 2016 2:52pm
Michael

Like I said earlier, if some locals are prepared to go into that mine, then why not let them? The way things are going it will never get sealed.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/86785359/allied-concrete-pulls-out-of-pike-river-seal-contract
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November 23, 2016 2:59pm
Manolo

A good article on the biased MSM:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/11/bias-patently-clear/

Here is journalist Rex Murphy of Canada’s National Post calling out the patent bias of so many journalists and opinion piece writers when it came to the US election.

‘It’s also true that many media outlets carried their support for Clinton to delusional excess – a blot on journalism that will take a political eon to fade. On the eve of the vote, with the confidence that only self-hypnotising progressives can bring to a lost cause, the Huffington Post was eagerly boasting that the chances of a Clinton victory were a whopping 98%… ‘[in the light of so many Clinton weaknesses] putting [her] chances of winning at 98% can only be explained in two ways: either the Huffington Post was using the same vote probability software as the North Koreans; or it has given up being anything resembling a “news” outlet.’
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November 23, 2016 3:21pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, Breitbart , Fox , Washington Times , WND and The Spectator etc care models of impeccable impartiality and fair mindedness ?
  
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  November 23, 2016 3:32pm
  - Jack5
    
    Greetings Stephie people! Why aren’t you over in the hot thread about Auckland’s mad imam.
    
    Unless … unless …. one of you wasn’t the source of the video of the cleric, were you?
    
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    November 23, 2016 3:36pm
  - Manolo
    
    As is it your Salon?
    
    For the record, you cannot compare the infinitely superior The Speccie with a low-quality publication like The Huffington Post. Miles apart.
    
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    November 23, 2016 3:57pm
Manolo

The corrupt MSM will never change their twisted ways:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/what-tv-journalists-did-wrong–and-the-new-york-times-did-right–in-meeting-with-trump/2016/11/22/54fe17ba-b0d3-11e6-8616-52b15787add0_story.html
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November 23, 2016 3:56pm
Stars And Stripes

Concrete company won’t help seal Pike River Mine
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/318753/concrete-company-won't-help-seal-pike-river-mine
“The chief executive of HW Richardson, which owns Allied Concrete, Brent Esler, said they were contacted by some of the families of the men who died, and decided not to be involved in the project.
“When we became aware of the emotional upheaval, I guess, with families involved in the tragedy and the impact that closure was going to have on them, we considered our situation,” he said.”

So another gutless company gets cold feet after emotional blackmail and this sorry saga drags on.
Yeah I’m done with this soap opera now as well and reckon it’s time to change the record.
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November 23, 2016 4:10pm
- Jack5
  
  This is quite an interesting development, Stars and Stripes. The Richardson Group is in transport and trucking in a big way, and has Allied Petroleum as well as Allied Concrete.
  
  It is a generous company. It has created a huge truck collection which is on display in Invercargill, and has just bought the big Nelson motorcycle collection and set it up in buildings it bought for it Invercargill.
  
  The Richardsons were and are decent folk. They will be making a conscience-based stand rather than caving in for fear of consequences.
  
  If you want to get a handle on what’s driving the dead miners’ families, have a look at this link, which I put up on the relevant thread last night.
  
  http://www.noted.co.nz/currently/social-issues/the-ongoing-pain-of-pike-river-mine/
  
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  November 23, 2016 5:49pm
  - Jack5
    
    If is National smart, it should let the mine sealing stand-off remain an issue between Solid Energy and the miners’ families.
    
    If the Government got into a tit-for-tat tussle with Richardson Group, such is the popularity of this company in Invercargill that the city’s Parliamentary electorate seat could be put into play.
    
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    November 23, 2016 6:40pm
    - sam green
      
      This government would never fight the trucking lobby.
      
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      November 23, 2016 7:48pm
Manolo

Sweetly ironic:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/22/sanders-electors-vow-to-vote-against-clinton-in-wild-attempt-to-keep-trump-from-white-house/

Six former Bernie supporters joined together in an attempt to buck their state-mandated vote in an attempt to keep Trump from the White House, but there’s just one problem: They are mandated to vote for Clinton.
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November 23, 2016 4:38pm
Reid

Lefties are a bunch of girls.

Events following Trump’s victory should remove all doubt that American elections—and perhaps American life more generally—are increasingly being feminized. Hissy fits, snarky gossip and claims of dog-whistle hate are now major political weapons and millions in the Democratic coalition—women, blacks, gays, the campus-based cupcake nation—are desperately seeking sanctuaries. It would be hard to exaggerate this transformation. Try to imagine old-fashioned pols, typically males, hugging and crying as their candidate went down to defeat. Would Chicago Mayor Richard J. Daily “get the vapors” and tearfully whine about a Republican in the White House and with his ward-heeler cronies retreat to a safe space with cuddly puppies, playdough, and coloring books to begin the process of healing? Clearly, if such a response occurred post Nixon’s 1968 victory, the Mayor’s career would be over. Not even the dutiful Democratic Blessed Sisters of the Poor in his own parish could respect such a girly man and would demand that “Hiz Honor” take it like a man, down a few stiff ones with “the boys,” stop complaining and get busy stealing the next election.

As the onward march of feminization transforms losing an election into a psychological trauma requiring therapy, what’s next”? Perhaps an officially organized post-election “healing” with a pseudo scientific name—Post-Election Defeat Traumatic Stress Disorder—so therapists can try to bill insurance companies for its treatment…

http://www.unz.com/article/the-feminization-of-politics/
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November 23, 2016 5:32pm
- Gabby
  
  You can’t have noticed the 8 year reblubbiblub tantrum then. Too busy composing backwards music I suppose.
  
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  November 23, 2016 8:29pm
Jack5

National sure has its head up the arse of the Maori Party.

Primary Industries Minister Nathan Guy has just kicked off a marine protection forum an Otago pakeha for something the man said six years ago about Maori.

It looks to have been a poor attempt at humour, but he rubbished whites as much as he rubbished Maori.

And it was six years ago.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11753549
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November 23, 2016 5:59pm
- Jack5
  
  Whoops! Didn’t notice Cap’n Mainwaring’s post on this in General Debate this morning.
  
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  November 23, 2016 6:59pm
- starboard
  
  Pathetic. I just wrote to Nathan Guy and called him an out of touch idiot.
  
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  November 23, 2016 7:04pm
  - sam green
    
    Ooo – that’ll sting. Bet he changes his mind now.
    
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    November 23, 2016 7:49pm
- Gabby
  
  Nothing Guy’s not a fast reader.
  
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  November 23, 2016 8:30pm
wreck1080

The minister in charge of civil defense should be fired.

Why does NZ, which is at extra risk from tsunami, have such a disjointed or missing warning system.
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November 23, 2016 6:09pm
- Jack5
  
  To be fair, the relevant Minister, Nikki Kaye, has been facing severe health problems recently, and Gerry Brownlee has been Acting Minister.
  
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  November 23, 2016 6:44pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I kind of agree. We got the tsunami siren about 20 minutes after the tsunami (had there been one) would have arrived.
  4 hours sitting in the car listening to the radio was 4 hours of sleep I could have done with.
  
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  November 23, 2016 7:40pm
starboard

Clip board carrying high vis wearing f’tards, the biggest handbrake on New Zealand, now and in the future. ” Must minimise “..” Must isolate “….must get in the way.
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November 23, 2016 6:10pm
- itstricky
  
  Surely you’re not talking about Health & Safety people…
  
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  November 23, 2016 7:30pm
Reid

Somehow I don’t think it’s going to work. But what it will do is get a lot of establishment luvvies to show themselves for who they are, which has its good points:

Richard Branson’s Virgin to bankroll secret Blairite campaign to stop Brexit

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-richard-branson-virgin-group-eu-referendum-a7430396.html
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November 23, 2016 6:12pm
nasska

See that the Catholic Church has downgraded abortion from a mortal sin to a misdemeanour. Apparently His Holiness has lowered the forgiveness threshold from Bishop level to Priest. No word to date on the going rate for such indulgences but we can expect to see a price schedule soon.

Good to know that the Pope is finally dragging the faithful, albeit kicking & screaming, forward into the eighteenth century.
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November 23, 2016 6:22pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  That’s bullshit nasska.
  A little bit more of your atheist rhetoric, 🙂
  
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  November 23, 2016 7:18pm
  - nasska
    
    Don’t let your bigotry blind you to the possibilities Don. It may be that we are witnessing the first ever successful application of the “trickle down theory”.
    
    Give it another couple of years & you’ll probably be able to top up your modest stipend as a deacon with the retailing of Vatican approved indulgences.
    
    You would be well advised to start forward planning now. A neon sign outside the church promoting “sin now…..no deposit & five years of interest free instalments” would be a winner. An Eftpos terminal in the confession booth would help.
    
    Should you require help with investing your retirement funds I’ll be happy to help. 🙂
    
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    November 23, 2016 7:36pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Appreciate your humour nasska.
      But reality is quite different. 🙂
      
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      November 23, 2016 8:18pm
      - Reid
        
        Horrific is the word you’re looking for Don.
        
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        November 23, 2016 8:32pm
      - Griff
        
        Yeah you have that right don…
        Nasska doesn’t get into talking to an imaginary sky pixie doesn’t practice ritual cannibalism and does not think a teenage girl is honest when she says he didn’t put it in promise …..
        
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        November 23, 2016 9:37pm
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      Interesting point about the Eftpos terminal in the confessional.
      Apparently Destiny Church was the first to replace the ubiquitous “plate” with a mobile eftpos terminal. I imagine it works wonders, or is the proper business term, in that business, “miracles”.
      
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      November 23, 2016 8:31pm
      - Reid
        
        It’s just a tool Tauhei.
        
        I agree it’s peculiar and regrettable to see it.
        
        But it’s just a tool.
        
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        November 23, 2016 8:37pm
Reid

This guy makes some very smart observations. You have to watch the whole (4.5 min) thing to get em though.

http://thesaker.is/trump-election-result-of-us-defeat-in-middle-east-victory-of-syria-iran-russia-top-analyst-eng-subs/
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November 23, 2016 6:59pm
Don the Kiwi

A good take on the loss for the Lefty Progressives.

https://mundabor.wordpress.com/2016/11/22/obama-is-the-worst-loser-in-100-years-and-what-this-might-mean-for-us/

An excerpt.
The recent, fantastic result of the 2016 elections shows a picture of complete and utter defeat for the Democrats not only in the Presidential race, where Hitlery was soundly defeated, but also at other levels of American government: Governors and state legislative chambers.

Never since 1920 has the lot of the Democrats been such a dire one. It is as if Obama had managed to bring his own party on the edge of the abyss in only eight years.

It’s not only the savage spending, the socialist rhetoric, the disastrous Obamacare, the kindergarten foreign policy, the anti White propaganda and the continuous stoking of racial hatred which did it. It is, to an extent, also the relentless war on common sense of Obama’s second mandate, from homosexual so-called marriage to the pushing of transgenderism. Les than one and a half year later, the White House lighted in rainbow colours has come back to bite him.
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November 23, 2016 7:14pm
- Reid
  
  The one that amazes me on Obama is that he incurred more debt in his 8 years than every other President before him combined.
  
  What a record.
  
  What a lefty.
  
  But I repeat myself.
  
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  November 23, 2016 8:41pm
Left Right and Centre

P town report for nazstar . . .
pns Porirua – I’m leaving and watch weirdo losers that have been let into this country . . .
They take a small trolley – and want to put a child in it – well old enough to walk. By one entrance is a wheelie bin, and it had some spare black sacks on it.
So these fcks take a black sack to use as a liner for the trolley – *the WRONG trolley* to put a child in *NOT* designed for them.
Shit I would love to be the boss there – you don’t touch the bin liners that aren’t yours – and you use the correct trolley for the right age and size child or you can **fuck off** dickheads.

>> brown teen boys decked out in American basketball clothes – why are they bouncing a basketball hard on the ground so that it bounces up hitting the underside of a shop veranda ? Braindead look on the face making ghetto speech sounds.
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November 23, 2016 9:03pm
- nasska
  
  The last time I had the misfortune to visit Porirua I thought I’d stumbled on the set of a remake of the “Zombie Apocalypse” LR&C.
  
  I’ve never seen such a collection of dormant no-hopers in my life……get the water analysed! 🙂
  
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  November 23, 2016 9:10pm
  - Gabby
    
    If you visited your family more you wouldn’t get such a shock.
    
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    November 23, 2016 9:20pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Gabster!! Coherent at his time of night? You have me worried.
      
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      November 23, 2016 9:27pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    I was at a self-checkout – and I noticed I’ve got a brown spot on my old top. Tried foolishly to do what I don’t know – get it out with my fingers ? That’s right – it just kept getting worse.
    I said to woman worker as I left – damn – I got some paknsave on me.
    So that’s my new thing. When I leave I mockingly brush all my clothes as if they’re covered in dust – and say to myself – let’s get all of the paknsave off.
    
    pns tip #548-2h . . .
    Use a small trolley – comes in handy for putting personal space between you and the human pollution. You’re in self-checkout queue. Moron behind you is mouth-breathing down your neck. Aha – now . . . you move to the *front* of your trolley. What are they gonna do now, walk through ya trolley ? You’ve got them brother – oh yeah. Now you own that dumb mofo – suck on that you fat gawping bathrobe wearing loser.
    
    Just generally good for keeping them at bay – at the ATM – at self-checkout – gee it’s like a lion tamer’s whip. Get back you scum – back off – back – *crack*. Two metres !! Two metres !! AAAAARGHH !!!
    
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    November 23, 2016 9:28pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      While I enjoy your reports LRC, I do wonder why you just don’t shop at New World like a normal person.
      
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      November 23, 2016 9:31pm
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        I know what you’re saying – at NW it’s a little bit the other way. The shopper IQ is higher, sure. But then I’m at NW Porirua – what does this nerdy looking young who knows what she is muzza checkout woman remind me of with the big head scarf covering ? Got it – farking Alien with the elongated head. New World ? Fucking **third world**
        
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        November 23, 2016 9:59pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Hmmm, I have shopped there, I see your dilemma.
        
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        November 23, 2016 10:03pm
nasska

Blessed are the cross-eyed, for they will see God twice.
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November 23, 2016 9:05pm
Left Right and Centre

But wait, there’s more !! I watched one tall thin brown moron woman in big heels carry three wine bottles – by the necks – two in one hand. Fark – you *know* what’s coming next. I was thinking it before it happened – what are the odds and *bang* dropped one. I wish you could hear me saying dropped one. KB needs audio. What a total dumbarse shit for brains – with the just been woken up in middle of the night perma-confused face expression.
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November 23, 2016 9:35pm
Jack5

Maori protesters sticking their noses into the pipeline row in North Dakota may get themselves into something serious.

Maori TV says the six have been at a camp helping protesters injured in clash with police.

This is from the Washington Times:

“But law enforcement said Tuesday that officers never used grenades — they threw flash bangs, sometimes called ‘stun grenades,’ which are designed to produce bright light and loud noise but not inflict serious injury.

“The injuries sustained are inconsistent with any resources utilized by law enforcement and are not a direct result of any tools or weapons used by law enforcement,” North Dakota Highway Patrol Lt. Tom Iverson said in a statement. “This incident remains under investigation .”

Already, however, investigators say they have found materials behind the protest line used to make Molotov cocktails, including 1-pound propane cylinders, glass bottles and rocks.

During the melee, officers say they heard an explosion at 3 a.m. Monday as they tried to flush two men and a woman behind a plywood barricade who were attempting to “hide their activity.” After the explosion, protesters pulled a woman from under a burned vehicle and fled the scene.

“The subjects were given opportunities to retreat back, but it became obvious that they were tampering with the vehicle or planting a device,” said Lt. Iverson. “Their strange mannerisms led law enforcement to believe they were there for a purpose with a calculated effort to either cause harm or breach the line.”
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November 23, 2016 9:37pm
Manolo

The hack and consummate liberal in the photo is the one whose wife said they would emigrate to Australia in case of a Trump victory:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/what-tv-journalists-did-wrong–and-the-new-york-times-did-right–in-meeting-with-trump/2016/11/22/54fe17ba-b0d3-11e6-8616-52b15787add0_story.html
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November 23, 2016 9:46pm
Left Right and Centre

>> general bad tv – ‘Australia’s Cheapest Weddings’ and clearly cheapest production budget as well as dumbest schlock imaginable. KFC should just buy the breaks as an infomercial.

>> I saw someone called Betty on Story – 97 – mentally and physically 100% as you could hope for.
And the dorks said – Betty should have her own show. And I thought – yeah – put her on at farking 7pm instead of you shitheads. Oh wait – it’s being canned anyway – to be replaced by car accident clips or something higher rating.

>> I got a text wanting cash for the 2016 Red Cross Earthquake appeal. Um – it ain’t quite farkin Haiti matey. Really ? If I don’t donate $2 those people might not be able to keep paying their internet bills – how will they read my genius comments ? Did I really see some chch people drive up to Kaikoura to deliver a large rectangular dish they called a ‘pie’ ?
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November 23, 2016 10:08pm
Left Right and Centre

I was watching Kanoa Lloyd on MediocreWorks – wow – she looks great in her long red heavy industrial office chair fabric dress with the front split. That’s a lot of red on a lot of lovely lady.

But what I really want is a muslim woman presenting the weather in her full black tablecloth, head covering and veil. I can’t let enough of those women into NZ. That’s how you celebrate diversity. We need a govt funded alternative channel to celebrate diversity – with a different breed presenting each day. Here’s your weather update – brought to you today by . . . . an Afghani – as requested by LRC. Enjoy your pick n mix enlightened society fella.
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November 23, 2016 10:21pm
Left Right and Centre

Excerpt from LRC 1B5 running diary, I shit you not . . .

Zumbo Just Dessert woman presenter – there’s your dessert mate
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November 23, 2016 10:28pm
Manolo

Different country, same ignorance. Labour’s Robertson counterpart.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/11/watch-shadow-chief-secretary-treasury-struggles-brief/
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