General Debate 6 October 2017

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Prince

Red Radio repeating Shaw’s contention that the Greens need only 0.13% of the Specials vote to gain an extra MP.
I suspect they mean Greens need to increase their overall vote by 0.13%, which is quite a different equation, but they wouldn’t understand that, being maths and all..
This is their Finance spokesman, and reporters who feign to report and interpret facts to the public.
Clowns the lot of them.
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October 6, 2017 8:00am
- mikenmild
  
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  It’s sad when public figures struggle with the maths. Sad!
  http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/09/28/trump_impeachment_chances_trumps_trying_to_do_math_edition.html
  
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  October 6, 2017 8:09am
  - mikenmild
    
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    Wow – so far 9 upticks for a comment pointing out Shaw’s maths error and 9 downticks for pointing out the Trump maths challenge.
    Tough crowd.
    
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    October 6, 2017 8:22am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Blurting out your TDS issues will certainly earn those downticks.
      
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      October 6, 2017 8:49am
    - flipper
      
      Dickhead
      With more than 31920 useless comments.
      Is that the fault of the NZEI/PPTA/PSA or you milkybar? Always firing blanks….
      
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      October 6, 2017 10:16am
    - GoVege
      
      You got my uptick Milky. 🙂
      
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      October 6, 2017 10:54am
  - Prince
    
    It is sad, but compare the press Shaw gets with the press that Trump gets.
    And you’d expect journalists not to parrot Shaw’s press releases without question.
    
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    October 6, 2017 8:24am
- peterwn
  
  ACT Party has also had trouble with maths in the past.
  
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  October 6, 2017 9:21am
- alwyn
  
  I see I am not the only one to hear Shaw’s little effort and go Huh?
  I actually waited until they repeated the clip to make sure it was really what he said. How can anyone make a statement like that without any hesitation at all? I would have thought someone who the Greens assure us is fit to be Finance Minister would realise that you have to get greater percentage of the specials than of the initial count to get a higher percentage of the final party vote. Not our Green genius though.
  There is another alternative. If the Green party get 0.13% of the specials and every other special vote is disallowed they just might get their extra member.
  If they actually do get 0.13%, and other parties get the rest they will be right on the verge of dropping below 5% altogether. They won’t gain another seat. They will instead lose all the 7 they so far have on the election night count. Their final number would be ZERO.
  Oh well it won’t happen but we can dream about that for another 26 hours.
  
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  October 6, 2017 12:05pm
- Gabby
  
  Paw paw prints, which do you think is the bigger number: the greens’ overall vote, or the total number of special votes?
  
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  October 6, 2017 4:04pm
  - Prince
    
    Irrelevant. Back to school with you.
    
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    October 6, 2017 4:07pm
EAD_TWO

Looks like “conspiracy theory” is fast becoming “conspiracy fact” as overnight the Las Vegas Sheriff leading the investigation finally admits that the Gunman (whoever that might be) had to have had help.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/97597841/las-vegas-gunman-had-to-have-help–sheriff

Personally I still found it telling that just hours after the incident occurred, and before any investigation by the police, the MSM were repeating the line that there were no political or religious motives. Normally we know before the bodies are even cold but in this case I’d say they know damn well the shooters motives but they won’t release them for politically expedient reasons.

That (and the fact there are dozens of videos showing automatic muzzle flash from the 4th floor + the shooting noises being from different distances) were the big red flags for me that there is more to this story we’re being told.

And for what its worth, whatever official narrative they settle on, I suspect we will never be told the truth about what happened that night in Vegas.
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October 6, 2017 8:09am
- mikenmild
  
  Got any examples of mass murder that weren’t ‘false flag’ attacks?
  
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  October 6, 2017 8:11am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    That was quick Mikemild.
    
    What’s your actual point though?
    
    – are you calling the Sheriff a liar?
    – are you calling the videos shot from the scene fake?
    – are you saying an untrained flabby 64 year old can fire off 2,000 shots in 9 minutes?
    
    I’d like your view or are you just trying to deflect attention and stop people questioning the bullshit we’re being fed?
    
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    October 6, 2017 8:17am
    - mikenmild
      
      I believe it is almost certain that this shooter acted alone and did indeed fire many hundreds of rounds in under ten minutes.
      But your basic problem is this – are all the mass shootings false flags? Perhaps you have the tinfoil nestled a little too tightly today.
      
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      October 6, 2017 8:20am
      - Victor Omega
        
        “I believe it is almost certain that this shooter acted alone”
        
        Based on what? 39 minutes ago, Lombardo said “everything is conjecture at this point”
        
        So, if you know something that the lead investigator doesn’t, you better fucking speak up or stfu.
        
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        October 6, 2017 9:07am
      - realityczech
        
        “Lombardo said “everything is conjecture at this point”
        
        Victor Omega but you have made your mind up. You believe there was one shooter and he is now dead.
        
        No point in wasting time and money looking further.
        
        I do hope you are in a secure care facility getting plenty of electric shocks.
        
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        October 6, 2017 7:48pm
      - Victor Omega
        
        Wtf RC. I was the one suggesting, based on Lombardos statement to the press, that it was too early for mikenmild to be saying there was only one shooter.
        Learn reading and comprehension, fool.
        Remember, it’s better to have people think you’re a dummkopf than to open your mouth and prove them correct.
        
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        October 6, 2017 10:02pm
      - realityczech
        
        Fair call VO. Try and write more clearly in future.
        
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        October 6, 2017 10:51pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Again, with guns with automated mechanisms (the bump stocks) capable of firing hundreds of shots in a minute, 2,000 rounds is certainly possible. He doesn’t need to reload much because he has a lot of guns ready to fire one after the other. It doesn’t take a lot of effort to hold a gun and shoot, and even “flabby 64 year olds” can be pretty active for shortish periods – after all, he wasn’t worried about over exerting himself and getting a heart attack was he.
      
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      October 6, 2017 8:24am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Sorry Ed,
        
        You’ve never been in the military and never fired anything more than a shotgun with a statement like that.
        
        * How heavy do you think such a machine gun would be?
        * How much physical effort to either hold it up firing and cope with its recoil for such a sustained period or lift and replace on a tripod…..for an untrained flabby 64 yo man?
        * How hot do you think the barralls would get and the smoke generated?
        
        Watch the videos – there are sustained muzzle flashes on the 4th floor + firing is coming from different distances with a different cadence at the same time.
        
        Are you to calling the Sheriff a liar or is it that you just don’t want your worldview and faith in the MSM shattered? It’s the later and you just don’t want to face up to that…
        
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        October 6, 2017 8:35am
      - Ross12
        
        EAD_TWO
        The 4th floor shots seems to have been “debunked”.The flashing was seen and on video before the shooting started. (Look at Paul Watson’s latest report at about 7.10mins https://www.youtube.com/user/PrisonPlanetLive
        Meanwhile ISIS have tripled down with yet another claim Paddock was their guy. They are going to have to come out with some actual proof soon.
        
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        October 6, 2017 8:49am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        I have some experience of firing rifles for sustained periods. We used automatic weapons but never fired them on full auto. The magazine emptied in about 4 seconds if you did, and as the barrel rose most of the shots would go high. If you used the bipod, you would still have to exert a fair amount of pressure on the butt to ensure accurate, downward, fire. When firing the LMG on a bipod, the recoil on sustained bursts would actually push you backwards. I would suggest that the shooter had some experience in using weapons to sustain the rate of fire and the length of time. That’s all.
        
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        October 6, 2017 9:04am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Just looked at info on Bump Stocks ( which I have no experience of). It seems to give a rate of fire slower than full auto. Anyone here used one?
        
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        October 6, 2017 9:19am
      - Gruffydd
        
        * How heavy do you think such a machine gun would be?
        4kg
        
        It was the guys passion.
        Buy a couple of platoons worth of light arms and go ape shite. He had fantasized planed and with out doubt acted out off loading a fire storm over a number of years. That he managed such a toll with the technical difficulty inherent in the weapon and shooting from an elevated position suggests much practice.
        
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        October 6, 2017 9:49am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        Yeah and get lots of headshots at 500 yards.
        
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        October 6, 2017 10:25am
      - Ed Snack
        
        EAD, and you show your ignorance. These weren’t “machine guns” as such, they were standard consumer available semi-automatics. Not designed for constant high speed firing so much more lightly constructed. Easily fired (though not accurately !) one handed, and the longevity of the guns was not an issue, he had so many if one jammed through over-heating he could just discard it and use another – the weapons were to be used and discarded.
        
        And sorry to disabuse you but I have fired a number of different weapons; not a full on MG, but none of these weapons were those. I believe that with some training (and that’s something I reckon we’ll find out about) the shooter could have coped. He was noted as being covered in residue from the firing and to have had burned hands from handling the hot weapons. And probably easier to cope with the muzzle riding up if he was in a prepared position facing downwards – and he was shooting at a downward angle.
        
        Many were pre-mounted on their own tripods/bipods, probably pre-arranged over some time lined up, loaded and ready to be fired in succession. Not “no-sweat” work but by no means impossible at all.
        
        It seems reasonably likely to me that there was one gunman but he may have had some help arranging and organizing, too early to tell.
        
        OK, the fourth floor – find me a photo/video of a broken or openable window. Because without that there’s no way to fire outside. Plus as others point out, the light is NOT synchronised with the time of the firing.
        
        Don’t need to call the Sheriff a liar or to have my “world view” disrupted, perfectly happy to wait and learn and comment on the most probable interpretation. You, BTW, are the one jumping to conclusions on sketchy and very disputable evidence – because it suits YOUR worldview.
        
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        October 6, 2017 10:44am
    - softail 1450
      
      ead , your medication please ,you’ve forgotten it again.
      
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      October 6, 2017 8:41am
      - G152
        
        He’s not mentioned a grassy knoll yet
        
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        October 6, 2017 8:49am
      - realityczech
        
        softy reckons the investigation is a waste of time and he already knows the answer. It is identical the one the media babblers said.
        
        1. An older white male
        2. And guns
        3. Are the problem
        
        So we need to control:
        
        a. Guns
        b. Men
        C. White people.
        
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        October 6, 2017 7:54pm
    - SPC
      
      Untrained …. He has not worked full-time for years. He lived off rental property income. And his past-times are casinos and guns.
      
      He had target explosive. He must have been going out into the “desert” to set up targets and done a lot of shooting over the years.
      
      And having so many guns fitted with bump stocks makes it entirely credible. The idea of a collaborator is unproven, it is based on the myth that a private individual cannot develop the capacity to do this sort of thing – when all it required was the time and the money (expertise would be offered by gun-sellers and or on-line).
      
      I would say there are a million or more men in the USA who could do the same.
      
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      October 6, 2017 9:29am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Sure MM – how about the dismemberment of young girls in Manchester from a follower of the religion of peace.
    
    But to be fair to the poor muslim mass murderer, he was probably forced to blow those underage girls up to prevent a ‘sexual emergency’ on his part.
    
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    October 6, 2017 8:52am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    That’s a bit rich coming from kiwiblogs “there’s reds under the bed and in our government” most vacuous commentator.
    
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    October 6, 2017 9:50am
- waikatogirl
  
  Gasps this morning from msm reporting that Stephen Paddock did not have an on-line presence. It is reported that he “is a ghost” with no background information.
  
  The investigation will just have to use previous investigating practices by interviewing those who knew the man.
  
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  October 6, 2017 8:15am
  - Biscuit
    
    waikatogirl, like Mr Paddock I have very little ‘on-line presence’…
    
    Kiwiblog and email is about it as far as I’m concerned.
    
    When the msm get to finding my motives for the 5625462452 slayings I perpetrate I trust you’ll be the one leading the ‘he was a nice, placid individual. Wouldn’t hurt a fly. We had no IDEA that standing between him and his food would provoke such a violent backlash on his part. It’s a mystery’ explanations!
    
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    October 6, 2017 8:46am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Biscuit, perhaps for your benefit I should have indicated sarcasm was included in my comment about msm finding Paddock had no online presence.
      
      It appears the msm’s first inclination is to head to the internet for personal info on EVERYONE. Calling Paddock “a ghost” for no online presence is an immature over reaction. Many of those who have lived most of their lives without being online are not enamoured with facebook and instigram, etc so don’t have much of a ‘presence’.
      
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      October 6, 2017 8:59am
      - Biscuit
        
        Oh yep, Waikatogirl, I got your ‘drift’.
        
        Modern journalism is a rort – if it ain’t done for the journo, the journo doesn’t do it.
        
        Clearly the perp in Vegas was meant to have a well-laid-out CV of sorts on-line with pics of him where he doesn’t have his eyes shut … and, of course, carrying a ‘WHY I DID IT!’ essay.
        
        I don’t have a lot of time for Nicky Hager’s politics or his conclusions, e.g., but at least he DOES do the research!
        
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        October 6, 2017 9:10am
  - Maxx
    
    Is this the modern day stereotype now
    
    “He seemed like a nice guy, mostly kept to himself, a bit of a loner. Didn’t cause any trouble”
    
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    October 6, 2017 9:11am
- Ed Snack
  
  EAD, so far the data I’ve seen suggests that there are no broken windows and no openable windows on the 4th floor so no shooting from there. Also flashing light and gunfire sounds are not correlated.
  
  Still early days though.
  
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  October 6, 2017 8:21am
- VicParking
  
  It all leads to Area 51. Americans are the worlds worst conspiracy nuts. They are a country that has 95+ guns per 100 people and after a this horrible event rush out and buy up every Bump Stock in the country.
  
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  October 6, 2017 8:31am
  - kowtow
    
    They know that after events like this the gummint , and nearly all gummints do this (except libertarian Somalia ) will go into virtue signal knee jerk reaction mode and ban them.
    
    I find the MSM America Derangement Syndrome interesting . The UK , due to a pandemic of acid throwing , have knee jerked into yet another ban , which will have the effect of SFA, other than making the pollies feel good about themselves , when in fact pollies are the problem.
    
    They did away with the death penalty , brought in shit sentencing ,closed the looney bins and opened the borders.
    
    ‘Under 18s will be banned from buying acid, Amber Rudd has announced, in a bid to crack down on the “revolting” trend of acid attacks on members of the public. ‘
    
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/03/18s-will-banned-buying-acid-amber-rudd-announces/
    
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    October 6, 2017 9:47am
- SPC
  
  As to the issue of narrative.
  
  A CIA intell officer and a psychiatrist suggest he was a leftie committing political violence against rightist Americana – gun toting country music fans (as per the Paul James Watson video link referenced in a post upstream by ross). Clearly bollocks – he liked guns and country music himself.
  
  A closer look at his personal background. An aging man who was abandoned by his father (an armed robber of banks who was on the FBI most wanted list) when only 7. He is now a property business guy without children into “robbing casinos” (ok just gambling) and guns. He goes out shooting from a casino hotel. From home to a hotel, but still guns and money and now notorious like his father was.
  
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  October 6, 2017 10:00am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Dr Paul Craig Roberts weighs in:
  
  http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/10/04/las-vegas-shooting/
  
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  October 6, 2017 5:14pm
Lance

FFS the Pike River activists are now adding the line that no one can be hurt re-entering the mine.

I am way over these people. Back pedalling horseshit.
National are wicked (following the advice of world experts) but righteous Winny (and Labour) will miraculously achieve an entry with zero risk.
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October 6, 2017 8:17am
- Rich Prick
  
  Who would have thought the 2017 General Election would end up being all about Winston and The Families? A Minister for The Families? FFS.
  
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  October 6, 2017 8:29am
  - Digmen1
    
    It was very sad what happened to those men.
    But why the obsesssion with getting their bodies our or home?
    We do not bring dead sailors from ships that sunk home.
    We have huge cemeteries in France of our war dead.
    
    To me they belong where they are.
    And erect a fitting memorial where people can go for hundreds of years.
    
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    October 6, 2017 9:32am
- G152
  
  There are a number of mines where through accidents bodies still lie.
  Is the drunken dwarf going to recover those bodies too ?
  
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  October 6, 2017 8:51am
  - tf78
    
    The trouble is there will be no “bodies”, only teeth maybe in same cases – I think the families will be very disappointed in what is recovered. Why can’t they let them just rest in peace.
    
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    October 6, 2017 9:09am
    - Paulus
      
      Remember it is only some of them under the publican Monk who wants all this.
      I see that Mrs Rockhouse is sadly one of the victim’s mothers but what part did her Husband as Health and Safety Manager have in this.
      He complained vociferously in the Royal Commission about safety in the mine but still allowed his two sons to continue – sadly losing one.
      I still have not heard what happened to the over $32,000,000 collected including a contribution from my family.
      Many families have moved on and some have returned to Australia -so we are only hearing from those with the loudest voice on their own behalf.
      I hope that of my donation none of it is going to Nigel Hampton QC – a good but very expensive Barrister acting on their behalf.
      
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      October 6, 2017 3:53pm
  - RF
    
    Not far from the Pike mine is Strongman with 2 unrecovered bodies.
    
    A reminder that coal mines are bloody dangerous and not to be used in political stunts.
    
    Peters and the Airhead Ardern are beneath contempt.
    
    God help them if because of their actions further lives are lost.
    
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    October 6, 2017 9:27am
    - Piniwi
      
      True RF. The difference as few if any at Strongman died of burns and re-entry was easier with on going gas exhausted.
      
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      October 6, 2017 4:46pm
- Maxx
  
  Coalition talks “Winston, we have agreed that a new company will hold the assets to Pike River, with you as the sole director. All costs to fund a re-entry to the mine will be met by the Government. You will personally hold the legal liability. This fits with what you want, yes?”
  
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  October 6, 2017 9:14am
graham

Subtext beneath a story on Stuff’s front page:

“While Bill English and Jacinda Ardern treaded cautiously with Winston Peters around …”

“Treaded”??!!

FFS – this is someone who is paid to write as their job!
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October 6, 2017 8:21am
- VicParking
  
  Be thankfull he did not say “tiptoed”
  
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  October 6, 2017 8:33am
- Biscuit
  
  graham, the journalist in question readed and re-readed the article after he’d wroted it … and founded no errors!
  
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  October 6, 2017 8:48am
  - Inandout
    
    Youse peoples are so funny, if you arksed me.
    
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    October 6, 2017 9:01am
  - Nookin
    
    Is it “re-redeaded” or “readeded”?
    
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    October 6, 2017 1:28pm
- Maxx
  
  Unfortunately this was nonsense started over 20 years ago when grammar went out the window and phonetic spelling became ok.
  
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  October 6, 2017 9:16am
  - Biscuit
    
    Maxx, I always found it odd that ‘phonetic’ wasn’t spelt in a more-friendly fashion. Fonetik, say?
    
    Mind, the folk who dreamt up the language also cruelly offered the word ‘lisp’ for those folks most likely to have problems with it.
    
    And the word ‘dyslexia’ for those who had difficulties correctly spelling even two-lettered words!
    
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    October 6, 2017 9:28am
    - Maxx
      
      Ur rite. It shud be spelt fonetic.
      
      I was going to write more but my head started to hurt.
      
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      October 6, 2017 9:32am
      - KevOB
        
        Frenetic is often substituted.
        
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        October 6, 2017 1:42pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      St st st st st stammer
      
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      October 6, 2017 9:37am
    - Ed Snack
      
      lysdexia it is…
      
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      October 6, 2017 10:48am
      - Biscuit
        
        You’re EVIL, Ed!
        
        [Smiley face would be inserted here if only DPF offered such a facility!]
        
        I am ‘famous’ for totally confusing our littlies by pointing out objects like kellyhopters and coo-mows to them!
        
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        October 6, 2017 11:53am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Biscuit… a smiley face can be posted by writing colon/hyphen/close bracket like this 🙂
        
        Open bracket gives you a frown and capital D gives a laugh. There will be others but I’m not sure of them. Play around with it! 😀
        
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        October 6, 2017 12:46pm
    - KevOB
      
      Emojis to copy and paste–tested on KB.
      http://getemoji.com/
      
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      October 6, 2017 1:44pm
      - Biscuit
        
        :: Has a play ::
        
        :: No laughing out there if I stuff up! ::
        
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        October 6, 2017 3:20pm
      - Biscuit
        
        :: Has a play ::
        
        :: No laughing out there if I stuff up! ::
        
        Edit No Four, ha:
        
        🙂
        🙁
        😀
        
        Yay!
        
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        October 6, 2017 3:22pm
  - flipper
    
    Maxx …..
    Sorry, it started earlier than that. It dates from the out-sourcing of reporter training from “in house” to what passes for academia.
    As I posted yesterday:
    • A reporter reports, without interpretation or the twisting of words or pictures
    • A “journalist” is a failed reporter suffering from self-aggrandizement
    • A print media “journalist” is also a failed reporter, but probably worse since they have time to reconsider their palpable left-wing bias.
    • A TV presenter is neither reporter nor journalist but a “broadcaster”
    • A BROADCASTER claiming to be a reporter or a journalist is a fraud
    • A TV or radio producer, or print media click bait chaser, is a failed reporter and considered too “ugly” to be either “journalist, “broadcaster” or presenter, but always weaving their wicked left-wing web of bullshit, while hiding from public view.
    New Zealand has an over-abundance of “journalists,” click bait chasers, producers and “broadcasters”, but few, if any in 2017, “reporters”.
    
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    October 6, 2017 10:27am
    - marcw
      
      Paraphrased from a Tim Blair comment yesterday:
      
      Post-truth journalism (also called post-factual journalism) is a culture in which debate is framed largely by appeals to emotion disconnected from the details of news facts, and by the repeated assertion of talking points to which factual rebuttals are ignored.
      
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      October 6, 2017 11:32am
  - Piniwi
    
    No Maxx. It is when a native dialect became a second language.
    
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    October 6, 2017 4:48pm
- s.russell
  
  Stuff no longer employs sub-editors: too expensive.
  Grammatical nous is not the key ability for reporters, that is the ability to find sob stories. People who have both abilities would cost too much.
  Accuracy is a luxury newspapers can no longer afford.
  
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  October 6, 2017 9:25am
  - lifesgood
    
    Can they not even afford computers with spell check installed?
    
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    October 6, 2017 9:41am
  - G152
    
    Or, evidently, proof readers.
    Or real journalists
    
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    October 6, 2017 10:17am
  - Maxx
    
    Even so, some modicum of responsibility has to be held by the writers, especially with all of the modern writing aids.
    
    I know if I am writing a paper that will be reviewed by others I run it past Grammarly which is great at picking up those stupid little things that I never get correct.
    
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    October 6, 2017 10:52am
waikatogirl

Kelvin confirming Minister of Pike River to be appointed if Liarbour win the negotiations. I thought Liarbour’s budget was fully allocated. Where is the money coming for a whole new ministry?
Tax increases anyone!
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October 6, 2017 8:22am
- Lance
  
  No, because tax increases would make them liars.
  
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  October 6, 2017 8:23am
  - Prince
    
    They’ve already been confirmed by Labour, increasing legislated tax rates from April 1 2018.
    
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    October 6, 2017 8:28am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Liarbour are going to need a significant budget increase if already indicating a new PRiver ministry and a 14.5% pay increase across the board for teachers before even gaining power. What else can they spend OUR taxes on?!
      
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      October 6, 2017 8:41am
      - RF
        
        Thanks to good work by Bill & Steven over the last 9 years the surplus is just over 4 million.
        
        Thats more cash that Labour can piss against the fence.
        
        If the 3 headed monster gains power the surplus will be spent in less than 3 years. Just in time for National to get back in and start the saving process all over again.
        
        The Nats save & Labour spend.
        
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        October 6, 2017 9:34am
      - Paulus
        
        All unbudgetted over the $11 Billion Robertson’s hole.
        Without the already legislated $2 billion tax cut for 1st April it will be $13 Billion.
        So no excuse not to go now for all the new taxes that have been promised by Taxinderella.
        
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        October 6, 2017 3:57pm
- KKKKatee
  
  If perchance, Liarbour become the next Government, I suggest that Jacinda Ardern become the “Minister For Conversations”. Transparent or NOT. God help us.
  
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  October 6, 2017 8:35am
  - calendar girl
    
    ….. and Minister for ‘I’ and ‘me’ – her two favourite words.
    
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    October 6, 2017 10:11am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      ‘we’re going to have a conversation about’ . . .
      such and such
      
      Have a discussion ? Talks ? Meeting ?
      
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      October 7, 2017 1:17am
- VicParking
  
  Labours budget… what about the Labour/NZ First/Green Budget. Just send you pay check direct to Inland Revenue.
  
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  October 6, 2017 8:36am
  - tf78
    
    They will then give you a weekly allowance.
    
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    October 6, 2017 9:12am
  - Maxx
    
    When the new Labour/NZF/Green Government is announced, I look forward to BERL’s revised review of the costing’s. No doubt it’ll still have the seal of approval as new assumptions will be made of 20% GDP growth over the next 3 years.
    
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    October 6, 2017 9:19am
- softail 1450
  
  drunken garner this morning on pike river,I’m surprised he hasn’t blamed trump for that tragedy as well .
  
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  October 6, 2017 8:44am
  - Inandout
    
    I don’t think Garner was always in favour of reopening Pike mine. He is very fair weather with his opinions.
    
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    October 6, 2017 9:04am
    - Nookin
      
      Usually with a 10 minute turnaround period.
      
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      October 6, 2017 1:30pm
  - Maxx
    
    Happened under Obama’s watch so no issues there… /s
    
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    October 6, 2017 9:20am
  - oldpark
    
    Drunken Duncan!
    
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    October 6, 2017 9:29am
- Rich Prick
  
  The fact Labour is talking about a Minister for Pike River suggests that The Families will be in our faces for many years to come. I guess we had better get used to them, if we weren’t already.
  
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  October 6, 2017 8:49am
  - GoVege
    
    Gr8.
    We need a constant reminder of how bad our work safety record is.
    
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    October 6, 2017 11:08am
    - Rich Prick
      
      OK then. We hereby allocate Bernie to you, he’s all yours.
      
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      October 6, 2017 1:56pm
- RF
  
  Kelvin is just pissing in Winston’s pocket by appointing a new minister for the mine ensuring that Labour get the nod.
  
  The princess’s will be grinning like a cheshire cat in anticipation of kissing Winnie’s ring.
  
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  October 6, 2017 10:16am
Tarquin North

It’s a beautiful day up here in the winterless north. Sunny and no wind. I must be either hallucinating or dreaming, this hasn’t happened in months. Is Winston still president?
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October 6, 2017 8:29am
- VicParking
  
  No he moved to Wellington and the devil went with him.
  
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  October 6, 2017 8:37am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    I thought the Devil went down to Georgia?
    
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    October 6, 2017 9:09am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Wherever he went there will be some fiddling going on
      
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      October 6, 2017 10:26am
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        Hold on, isn’t that fiddling case in front of the courts in Aussie at the moment?
        If it’s true, then maybe the devil went to the Vatican
        
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        October 6, 2017 11:05am
  - alwyn
    
    “he moved to Wellington”.
    Not for long. If Catalonia can run their own private little referendum and declare independence we can do it here in Wellington.
    Then the first action will be to deport the drunken little dwarf back to Northland.
    
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    October 6, 2017 12:15pm
- Maxx
  
  Perhaps Winston for Governor-general? That’s a title he’d like. To bad it couldn’t be done in this term.
  
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  October 6, 2017 9:22am
Happychappy

As long as the media keep running around like headless chickens peddling their crap and playing their favorites the more the likely hood of change. But I have to say the best news out of the National camp yesterday was the challenge back to Peters comment about you don’t need someone on your team that doesn’t learn and is a antagonist that will upset the mood of negotiations. Steven Joyce has replied saying he has always been a part of National policy and will be in the same position when they get down to the deal, so Bill English and the team will not change at Winston’s whim.
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October 6, 2017 8:36am
- VicParking
  
  I sense National are going to play hardball with Winston. If they fail they will say, “we tried”, sit back for three years, build a new and fresh team and govern alone in three years. They are quite good at cleaning up Labours mess having lots of experiance at it.
  
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  October 6, 2017 8:43am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    You honestly think Bill is happy to be go quietly into the night as the man who led the Nats to:
    – a 20.6% defeat
    and
    – 58 seats and the cross-benches
    
    That would make him even more of a sideshow and a trivia quiz question than poor old Jenny (who the media steadfastly refuse to refer to as “NZ’s first female PM” preferring instead to fawn of Herr Helen as “NZ’s first elected female PM”.
    
    Bill doesn’t want to be a joke. The chinless wonders on the National front-bench don’t want to give up their crown cars and legions of fawning officials doing their every bidding. Being in opposition is shit and humiliating. They’ll cling on.
    
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    October 6, 2017 8:59am
    - Nukuleka
      
      If your nasty comment had any validity at all Bill English would have ‘gone quietly into the night’ after the 2002 defeat but you might have noticed that he didn’t. He is made of sterner stuff, has worked diligently on behalf of all NZers, been an excellent Minister of Finance guiding our country through some of the worst financial situations we have faced and has rightly earned his position as once again the leader of the National Party.
      His achievement in this election has been little short of miraculous. He isn’t going to roll over for Winston and sell National supporters short.
      
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      October 6, 2017 9:28am
    - Happychappy
      
      No but he not going to be told by your Messiah who he will have in his negotiating team. Peters likes to use terms like obnoxious but forget the fact that the reference he uses fits him to a tee. You must get off on using the 21% man even though most people think he put that saying to bed with his Leadership at this Election.
      
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      October 6, 2017 9:47am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      lol nuk and happy
      
      are you telling me being in opposition is nice and rewarding and something that the turkeys in National will vote for like an early Xmas?
      
      This problem with denial of reality is a major issue for the KoolAid die-hard Nats at the moment. National are not travelling well at the moment. The compass is whizzing around in all directions. They’ve burned down all potential coalition partners and only a tax and scare campaign saved the day against arguably the most inexperienced and vacuous Labour leader we’ve ever seen!
      
      But if you think down-ticking will make the truth untrue then maybe you can use the same technique to prove that up is down and black is actually white.
      
      Opposition is shit. National will swallow a lot to avoid that massive humiliation. Bill is a human being and he cares about how history judges him. He doesn’t want to end up as a two-time loser. Politicians have egos the size of a house, that’s what fuels them to adopt a freakishly unpleasant and demanding lifestyle to hold on to power.
      
      Losing = humiliation.
      People don’t like humiliation.
      Will do anything to avoid losing and humiliation!
      (Look at Hillary nearly a year on she’s still public squirming and blaming to avoid admitting to herself she’s a loser)
      
      Is that simple enough for you two to understand? QED? Comprendo?
      
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      October 6, 2017 10:31am
    - rangitoto
      
      Winnie would think he was the emperor of the universe if he got 20%.
      
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      October 6, 2017 10:43am
VicParking

One of the editors of the local paper in Whanganui has come out and rubbished all the mens stores in town. Things like “There seems to be the attitude that men don’t like shopping: their wives will buy for them and they’ll be happy with what they’re given.” and “Manufacturers are not particularly concerned with looking after the male population, which is why there is so little in the way of selection, variety and sizing.” He goes on and on. For a business that needs advertising to stay in business I would hate to be the Chronicle Rep next calling on a store that carries mens clothing.
Personally I find that Whanganui has a good range of mens clothes. I wont name names as I’m sure to leave someone out but there is a great range of both quality and price for a large country town that Whanganui is.
Read it yourself: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503423&objectid=11928491
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October 6, 2017 8:53am
- Inandout
  
  ‘Men’s stores’ and ‘men’s departments’ is so sexist and can make ‘other sexes’ feel so isolated and ridiculed.
  
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  October 6, 2017 9:09am
  - Maxx
    
    Where are the LGBT departments? We need to get a witch hunt together. I’ll get the pitchforks, you get the torches. Someone else will have to bring the placards.
    
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    October 6, 2017 9:26am
    - Inandout
      
      Gather up the hairy legs and shemen and we’ll organise something.
      
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      October 6, 2017 9:37am
    - Paulus
      
      Wanganui used to be a real nice town until they upgraded the Prison which brought their large Whanau to the town to be close to their rellies.
      
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      October 6, 2017 4:02pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  I recently bought some clothes from the menswear shop by the fountain. The quality and price were fine, and given my somewhat less than standard physique (too short for my weight), there was choice in my size range.
  
  The Chronicle loves bad-news stories. Perhaps that explains why it, like other newspapers, is hanging on to survival by a thread. I suspect within a year it will have gone to less than daily frequency.
  
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  October 6, 2017 9:15am
  - VicParking
    
    Totally agree Stock. I’m being told on weekly basis by people that they have cancelled their subscription and no longer read it. I have a quick look online for the local stories jammed between the failing newspaper’s ones.
    
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    October 6, 2017 4:07pm
SPC

Legislation to ban bump stocks is going to Congress.

Bump stocks were approved by the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms during the Obama years.

The NRA is not opposed to the measure – but wants those with concealed weapon rights to be able to take them from state to state in return.

And bump stocks are now sold out … because of recent demand.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41519815
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October 6, 2017 8:59am
- cha
  
  Do you need a bump stock accessory to bump fire your semi-automatic weapon?
  Of course you don’t.
  
  btw – make sure the rifle is pointed downwards, 32 stories down ought to do the trick
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB1QlHtOWCQ
  
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  October 6, 2017 2:11pm
Manolo

A troubled liberal icon:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/us/harvey-weinstein-harassment-allegations.html
https://www.thewrap.com/harvey-weinstein-nra-apologizes-after-sexual-misconduct-bombshell/

Hollywood titan Harvey Weinstein has apologized after a bombshell New York Times report that he engaged in sexual harassment and misconduct for decades and reached settlements with eight women.

He said he would take a leave from work and devote himself now to battling the NRA and President Trump.
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October 6, 2017 8:59am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’ve just read his apology….
  
  The bit that took my interest is where he has engaged a woman to tutor him how to learn about himself and behave better around women…..
  
  A few days ago, Nostradamus suggested that he & I should go into business (fleecing suckas).
  Perhaps Weinstein needs to contact Nosty & Maggy’s Services Inc.
  
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  October 6, 2017 9:51am
  - Nostradamus
    
    Maggy:
    
    I’m delighted to be in a business partnership with you. The fact that you’re willing to make our business a global success, even at this early stage, makes me feel on top of the world!
    
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    October 6, 2017 11:55am
- Inandout
  
  It has always perplexed me why many US Jews are leftists, and more strangely, support Islam. This article written by a Jew may throw some light on the subject.
  
  http://www.nationalreview.com/article/442198/left-wing-jews-embarrassing-judaism-making-politics-their-religion
  
  Many have simply abandoned Judaism.
  
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  October 6, 2017 11:21am
- alwyn
  
  “reached settlements with eight women. “.
  Seems only fair. Equal right for both sexes and all that.
  After all Barbara Hutton and Elizabeth Taylor probably had to pay out to that many men each after failed marriages.
  
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  October 6, 2017 12:23pm
KKKKatee

Mmmm. Just wondering how old the Editor is. And for that person to assume wives buy for husbands etc is rather incorrect. I certainly don’t buy clothes for my husband. He’s fully entitled to buy what he wants and, what’s more, he goes shopping on his own. Conversely, I don’t want my husband shopping for clothes for me and telling me what to wear thank you very much.. Me thinks this Editor is a dipstick. Husbo prefers a menswear shop in Taupo – we holiday there – I think it’s called The Village Squire. A fab range of lovely shirts etc. etc.
And his sunday suit was tailor-made in Hong Kong – and just fantastic. BTW – I can spot a tailor-made suit a mile off. I want to stick my fingers down my throat when I see a man shuffle along in a poorly fitting suit or poorly fitting anything for that matter. Take note men!
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October 6, 2017 9:02am
- SGA
  
  Mmmm. Just wondering how old the Editor is. And for that person to assume wives buy for husbands etc is rather incorrect.
  
  No doubt there is a lot of variation, but I have a sneaking suspicion that if the married (or equivalent) men here divided their clothes into bought by my wife, with my wife, or alone, then for most ‘alone’ would be the smallest pile. It would be the largest pile for most wives, I am guessing.
  (Then again – I’m someone who doesn’t enjoy shopping for such things very much)
  
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  October 6, 2017 9:34am
  - KKKKatee
    
    Not in our household. My husband doesn’t like being told what to wear (which I don’t do) , what to buy etc. Nor do I. I am, as is he, perfectly capable of shopping on my own and choosing what I like to wear without being told what to wear by my spouse. Fortunately , we both have very good taste and there is no need to micro-manage each other as he puts it. And, I don’t want him hanging around in a womens’ wear shop while I’m trying clothes on – he’d be bored out of his skull and would spoil the entire shopping experience for me. The odd time when we are out together shopping and if he goes into a mens wear shop, I might be invited to comment on an item of clothing – but that is very rare indeed. I, on the other hand, never venture into a clothes shop when we are in town together. He reckons there isn’t enough time in the day for that! Wise man.
    
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    October 6, 2017 9:47am
    - SGA
      
      Sure, as I said there is a lot of variation – but perhaps (or not) your personal experience isn’t a general phenomenon? Which is what we are really talking about here?
      
      Fortunately , we both have very good taste and there is no need to micro-manage each other as he puts it.
      
      Perhaps that male-code for not trusting your taste in men’s clothes (/tongue firmly in cheek 🙂 )
      
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      October 6, 2017 9:52am
      - KKKKatee
        
        He has very good taste – he married me. ‘Nuff said.
        
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        October 6, 2017 11:54am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I buy everything for hubby.
  I dress him appallingly.
  
  Crikey, if other females gave him a second glance and started chatting him up, he might realise I’m not the only goddess after all.
  
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  October 6, 2017 9:57am
- Gabby
  
  You’re no longer ‘hot’ enough for your vomitory response to the sartorially challenged male to bother him much kakakakti.
  
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  October 6, 2017 4:27pm
lastmanstanding

I suspect the Specials will be a surprise for the following reasons

1. In the past advanced voting was not promoted as much as this time.
2. Many people didnt realise until this election they could vote outside their electorate in advance.
3. In the past Overseas have been a much larger number of Specials and have favoured Lab/Green given young Lab/Green activities in overseas cities.
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October 6, 2017 9:02am
cubit

Excellent Opinion piece in Dom this Morning by Karl Du Fresne. Refers to Peters as Doctor Who. On Stuff now.
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October 6, 2017 9:03am
- CHFR1
  
  Can you please post a link I can’t find it
  
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  October 6, 2017 9:46am
  - Biscuit
    
    Here you go:
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/97565948/karl-du-fresne-the-75-per-cent-man-who-wont-let-go-of-the-past
    
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    October 6, 2017 11:57am
    - Biscuit
      
      Anyone else notice that the link refers to Winnie as a 75 percent man whereas Karl’s story is about 7.5 percent?
      
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      October 6, 2017 12:14pm
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        he is only 75% male and 25% whiskey.
        
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        October 6, 2017 4:19pm
rightoverlabour

Bit of a dumb way to try to bump your wife off…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/97606607/a-uk-skydivers-parachute-mysteriously-failed-prosecutors-say-her-husband-sabotaged-it
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October 6, 2017 9:13am
Dafixeruppa

FFS no wonder our kids education is completely F*cked up…

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11929975

Basically, I’m a gay (Read Lesbian) teacher and you should all completely change your way of doing/thinking whatever because I demand it… Oh and I have moved from Liberal Wellington to teach in a school in South Auckland where they are not as accepting of me as I demand they should be!
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October 6, 2017 9:22am
- doggone7
  
  The kids’ maths education is completely F*cked up in that teacher’s classes?
  
  The kids’ previous education is completely F*cked up because they graffiti on walls?
  
  The kids previous education completely F*cked up in that they’ve learned to be intolerant?
  
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  October 6, 2017 9:58am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    I think if she stopped pushing her sexuality down the communities throat and in fact had kept it out of the school then she would be able to get on with teaching.
    It is always the individual’s choice how much of their personal behavior and choices are made public.
    She pushed her sexuality, now she pays the price. We know kids are merciless and will be brutal in anyway they can given half a chance.
    EDIT: No where did I reference her ability to teach her subjects. BUT, if she left a “supposedly” successful career in Wellington to go and teach, then I would question whether she was in actual fact capable or successful.
    
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    October 6, 2017 11:10am
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Millennial who lives in a tent reckons he has the answer to Auckland’s housing crisis … NZ Herald

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11929882

Tom Harper recently moved to Auckland from Christchurch to take up an internship at Radio Hauraki.

He is living in a tent in his mate’s backyard. Here, he explains why.

Before I moved to Auckland my Aunty Chris gave me a tiny clay house. According to her it was “the only house I’d ever own”. And she’s probably right. House prices in Auckland are out the wazoo. … VIEW $ READ more via hyperlink above …

… WHEN CAN WE EXPECT REAL SOLUTIONS ? …

Housing – New Zealand Labour Party

http://www.labour.org.nz/housing

… extract …

Remove barriers that are stopping Auckland growing up and out

Labour will remove the Auckland urban growth boundary and free up density controls. This will give Auckland more options to grow, as well as stopping landbankers profiteering and holding up development. New developments, both in Auckland and the rest of New Zealand, will be funded through innovative infrastructure bonds. … read more via hyperlink above …

… OR JUST ANOTHER 3 YEARS OF NICK SMITH FAILURE ? … CHECK OUT GONE GONE GOING SECTION AT …

Performance Urban Planning

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/

… How ‘fragile’ are New Zealand and Australia’s housing bubbles ? … Check out yesterday’s Kiwiblog posts …

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/10/general_debate_5_october_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-2043914
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October 6, 2017 9:23am
- fylde
  
  But housing prices are sticky downwards
  
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  October 6, 2017 9:28am
- Keeping Stock
  
  You’re still abusing DPF’s generosity Hugh. There’s absolutely no need to link to comments you posted yesterday, in the hope someone might read them.
  
  We all know you are invested in a change of government, and we all know you can’t wait for the housing bubble to burst (which it’s NOT going to do, incidentally), so there’s no need to remind us that you were a troll yesterday, and you’re still a troll today. If people want to read your diatribes, they’ll go to your website,
  
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  October 6, 2017 10:16am
  - flipper
    
    Keeping..
    Quite agree. There is nothing quite as revolting as a Pavlova left, uncovered, on a bench top overnight!
    
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    October 6, 2017 10:37am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Goff’s inaction on Auckland Council salaries … NZ Herald / Kiwiblog
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/10/goffs_inaction_on_auckland_council_salaries.html
  
  The Herald reports:
  
  One in five staff at Auckland Council is earning more than $100,000 as the wages bill for the Super City blows out for the third year in a row.
  
  What’s more, the number of executives earning more than $200,000 has increased by 25 per cent in the past year, from 155 to 194, according to figures in the council’s 2016-2017 annual report.
  
  The council and its six council-controlled organisations(CCOs) employ 11,893 staff, of whom 2322 earn more than $100,000. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  … Pavletich comment on thread …
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/10/goffs_inaction_on_auckland_council_salaries.html/comment-page-1#comment-2044526
  
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  October 6, 2017 10:36am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
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    Keeping Stock … If you have got nothing to say, its always best to say nothing.
    
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    October 6, 2017 10:40am
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      I wish you would follow your own comments.
      Rehashing the same old crap day after day is actually worse than having nothing to say, because all you say is nothing.
      
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      October 6, 2017 11:12am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      We’ve been telling you that for years, Hugh.
      
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      October 6, 2017 11:22am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I think we got your point about 3,053 comments ago.
      
      The receptivity of the masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan.”
      ― Adolf Hitler
      
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      October 6, 2017 11:24am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Maggie … getting ‘simple’ changes in place is often a long-winded exercise.
        
        That’s as may be, Hugh.
        
        But my approach would be – provide the answers/methods to the powers-that-be – don’t bother with us ancient has-beens on KB.
        
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        October 6, 2017 1:10pm
    - stigie
      
      Oh just fuck off Hugh !~
      
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      October 6, 2017 11:27am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        A better question to ask is … why have the tiresome Tories failed to deliver this past decade ? …
        
        It may be that this is all too complex for Tories to understand.
        
        PM John Key on Housing Reform 2007 – YouTube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWPgoAI1cLE
        
        Hopefully the problem should be solved Thursday 12 October !
        
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        October 6, 2017 11:52am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Maggie … getting ‘simple’ changes in place is often a long-winded exercise. Consuider what Malcom McLean had to go through getting containerization in place after WW11 (and the Levitts too with affordable new housing) …
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/10/stop-blaming-supply-expensive-housing/#comment-2972852
        
        UNAFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A ‘NONSENSE ISSUE’ … read more at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org …
        
        The housing affordability issue really is a ‘nonsense issue’ particularly when the creators of the modern housing production industry, Bill & Alfred Levitt, just after WW11, were supplying new 80 square metre homes on 700 square metre lots for about $US8,000 (about $US100 per square metre building area) to sole income families on about $US3,500 per annum… about 2.3 times annual household incomes (median multiple).
        
        Just after WW11 there were massive shortages of expensive building products … to the extent the Levitts bought forests and nail factories to ensure they didn’t have supply disruptions to producing about 40 new homes a day.
        
        A decade or so later … thanks to another great American entrepreneur Malcom McLean creating the modern container industry, dramatically lowering transportation costs and creating greater global competition … we have a growing glut of increasingly affordable products …
        
        The Story of Malcom McLean … incorporating New York Times video
        
        http://maritime-executive.com/article/the-story-of-malcolm-mclean
        
        … Wow … check out the prices of transporting individual items by container ship in this short video … just remarkable … in case you are wondering why our bulk retail outlets are bulging with abundant supplies of extremely low cost goods … thank you Malcom McLean …
        
        Malcom McLean and Containerisation | Maersk Line – YouTube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq8UU9kafJ0
        
        Read more via MacroBusiness Australia link at top …
        
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        October 6, 2017 12:28pm
    - starboard
      
      “HIC…HIC!”..all dooomed…
      
      [see hyperlink]..
      
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      October 6, 2017 1:42pm
rightoverlabour

On a different note, I read this and it got me thinking. “In France, the age of sexual consent is 15 years old and, for an act to be distinguished as rape, there has to be a threat or violence involved during sex, The Strait Times reported.”
Is this a better definition of rape than the New Zealand one? and, which definition would have fewer false complaints? Is the term Rape too widely applied?
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October 6, 2017 9:25am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Imported Kebabs can basically rape with impunity in much of Western Europe thanks to the Globohomos Diversity™ social engineering project.
  
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  October 6, 2017 10:16am
Digmen1

We have a shop in Tauranga called Greerton Menswear.

I think they ran some ads years ago “Greerton Men Swear!”
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October 6, 2017 9:37am
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I’m awaiting a reply from NZ Treasury (Crown Company Monitoring Advisory Unit) to these questions.

Regarding how a 100% Crown-owned company – with $1.6 billion worth of former Housing NZ properties, can be missing from the Public Finance Act list of Sch 4A Crown companies.

The name of this 100% Crown-owned company is Tamaki Regeneration Ltd.

The current Crown Shareholding Ministers are Minister of Finance Steven Joyce (previously Bill English), and Minister of Building and Construction Nick Smith.

Any mainstream media going to help shine a public spotlight on THIS one?

https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/5840214/shareholdings?backurl=%2Fcompanies%2Fapp%2Fui%2Fpages%2Fcompanies%2Fsearch%3Fmode%3Dstandard%26type%3Dentities%26q%3DTamaki%2520Regeneration%2520Ltd

This shows the Shareholding of Tamaki Regeneration Ltd (TRL) which is 100% owned by the Crown, has over 1.6 billion shares, of which just 100 shares are owned by Tamaki Redevelopment Company Ltd.
TRC (59% Crown – 41% Auckland Council).

Why is TRL not equally listed as a Sch 4A Company under the Public Finance Act?

TRL owns $1.6 billion worth of former Housing NZ properties- TRC owns nothing.

As I understand it – because TRL is NOT so listed – it does not come under the State Services Commission regarding ‘Code Of Conduct’ / ‘Integrity’?

Neither TRC nor TRL are listed as Sch 2 companies under the Crown Entities Act.

TRL is not listed as a company that comes under Treasury’s Crown Monitoring Unit.

So – how is this 100% Crown-owned TRL being audited and monitored in a proper, lawful and accountable way?

How on earth did this happen?

Who is responsible for ensuring 100% Crown-owned companies, ARE properly listed under the Public Finance Act?

And the Crown Entities Act?

Yours sincerely

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption whistle-blower’.
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October 6, 2017 9:40am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Penny, this diatribe might have more effect if you posted it on the back of your toilet door. (While you still have possession of it).
  
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  October 6, 2017 9:53am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I’m awaiting a reply from NZ Treasury (Crown Company Monitoring Advisory Unit) to these questions.
  
  Don’t hold your breath Penny.
  
  Auckland Council has been waiting for you to pay your rates since for 10 years, so you moaning about a minor delay from Treasury is complete and utter hypocrisy.
  
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  October 6, 2017 10:19am
- Rich Prick
  
  How many cats do you have now?
  
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  October 6, 2017 10:24am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See?
  I Spray And Walk Away
  Rubbish Stays
  I walk away
  
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  October 6, 2017 10:35am
- Nostradamus
  
  Penny:
  
  I see this exchange on your Facebook page:
  
  Vinny Eastwood: Apparently Suzie Dawson is calling you a liar
  
  Penny Bright: That content is no longer available on either Benjamin Cooney or Suzie Dawson’s Facebook sites? Or I’m blocked from viewing it. After the Internet Party polling LAST in the 2017 NZ General Election, I guess the, IMO phony Suzie Dawson and her equally phony mate Ben Cooney are licking the wounds of their electoral savaging and just lashing out
  
  That’s probably not your strongest point, seeing as you came last out of 7 candidates (with a massive 201 votes) in the Tamaki electorate!
  
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  October 6, 2017 11:45am
  - sooty
    
    Hold your breath Penny! It will come quicker, what ever it is!
    
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    October 6, 2017 12:28pm
Digmen1

I see that Stephen Paddock’s brother has talked more about him.

They say that his gambling ($10,000 at a time) was like his job.

Show me anyone that consistently wins at gambling. Anyone.
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October 6, 2017 9:42am
- AgentBallSack
  
  The house wins all the time.
  
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  October 6, 2017 9:44am
  - Ed Snack
    
    No, the odds favour the house, but anyone can make a short term profit, and in many games, very good players can make a long term profit. The key often is whether you play against the “house” or against the other players.
    
    Horse racing is an example, there are systems to make long term gains of TAB betting in NZ. It isn’t easy, takes a lot of research, but there are (or used to be) programs you could buy to assemble and process the data. Basically you calculated the odds for every (or most) horses in given races and backed ones at “false” odds on the TAB – you were betting essentially against the other bettors by virtue of having superior information.
    
    One interesting very small scale scheme that I calculated made a profit in the past (not sure if it still will as circumstances have changed) was to bet on the Aussie favourite on the NZ TAB and on the NZ favourite on the Aussie TAB – because of national fervour both were at falsely low odds on the other countries TAB. Now there’s few NZ horses in the race with much chance so the effect is much less prominent and we follow the Aussie odds more closely.
    
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    October 6, 2017 10:58am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      I know two guys who have supported themselves very comfortably as professional gamblers for the last 15 years. Taking money off other gamblers rather than the house is the key.
      
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      October 6, 2017 12:00pm
    - KevOB
      
      Try telling the Taxation Board of Review that you won the money on the horses or gained by other gambling when the IRD assess you on the discrepancy between your assets and your income. ?
      
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      October 6, 2017 2:08pm
  - Fletch
    
    “Welcome to fabulous Las Vegas
    Give us your dreamers, your harlots and your sin
    Las Vegas,
    Didn’t nobody tell you the house will always win?”
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HWoQdXe2O8
    
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    October 6, 2017 12:21pm
- SGA
  
  I knew a couple of people who made money playing on-line poker (Texas holdem, from memory). They were sharp individuals and simply knew the odds on most hands better than most of the people they are playing against. They’d be playing several games simultaneously.
  
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  October 6, 2017 9:49am
  - VicParking
    
    Sometimes they play the same game using muliple logins. Poker online is for fools unless you know all the ways to cheat the suckers.
    
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    October 6, 2017 4:23pm
- SPC
  
  Winning is easier if you have enough money otherwise, and provided you are disciplined as to earning money that way (rather than being careless and just doing it as something to pass the time because you already have money).
  
  I will explain. The casino has set things up so that overall they win. But if a punter knows this and gambles accordingly they can still win.
  
  Just start out with low bets and if you keep losing (which turns out to be a good thing if you can afford to keep betting until you win) then increase the amount of the bet. Thus the odds then turn in your favour as most of your (overall) money will be on when you are due for a win.
  
  Not that many of us have the capacity for it, tough day at Trentham if you don’t get the winner by the last race for example. But in principle it is fine.
  
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  October 6, 2017 10:23am
  - SGA
    
    Unless I’ve misunderstood your comment, haven’t you described the fallacy of the maturity of chances?
    
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    October 6, 2017 10:56am
    - SPC
      
      Can you determine a better method to/for gambling?
      
      And it is not a fallacy, if you can afford to keep gambling until you win and, if you increase the amount of the bet until then, win money you do.
      
      In his case the perp was into video poker, a game with its own learned strategy expertise
      
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      October 6, 2017 11:18am
      - SGA
        
        Most pure forms of gambling (without playing against opponents – e.g., poker) are a tax on the mathematically challenged. Gamble for fun, by all means, but don’t expect to make money.
        
        The problem with doubling your bet, say, every time you lose, is that a string of losses will wipe out most people eventually – and, even if you do win, you haven’t won much once your previous losses are taken into account.
        
        It may be apocryphal story (I don’t know for sure), but the fallacy of the maturity of chances is also called the Monte Carlo fallacy. After a run of a few “black” on a roulette wheel, people starting betting on “red”, doubling their bet each time to recoup their losses. The roulette wheel threw “black” 26 times in a row, by which time most of the punters had been wiped out.
        
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        October 6, 2017 11:33am
      - SPC
        
        Sure. It is not the way to make your money, but if rich enough to survive the losses and keep at it, one way to gamble and not lose money.
        
        At routine numbers (wheel) gambling, doubling down will get your money back. Most cannot keep that up and thus the casino wins.
        
        To make money at it requires another factor, where the method can be applied when the punter has learned expertise at a game (or information regarding odds independent of the TAB).
        
        But then most of the people with enough money to gamble this way will make easier money with less risk on other “markets”. It is usually only those who develop some expertise in an area of gambling who will go onto to adopt this and more specific (related type of) betting strategy to make money out of it. This guy may have been doing that, he had the time.
        
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        October 6, 2017 12:13pm
    - Harriet
      
      Horse racing is far different to chance.
      
      Good money management and selection *criteria* is all that is involved. Most people think it is simply about selection, but it’s getting the betting wrong that can just as easily ruin you. Betting $10 on one race then $50 on the next then back to $20 almost guarantees you will lose – even if you win 2 out of every 3 races.
      
      All up place betting on two well selected horses in two races is the way to go imo, you won’t get rich each time you bet but you will win over the day/week/month/year. ‘well selected’ does not always mean ‘favorite’.
      $10 x $1.4 x $1.6 = $22.4 or $10 x $1.7 x $1.7 = $28.9 you can find 2-3-4 horses per meeting at syd, mel, bri each Saturday. That’s about half a dozen ok bets each week. Don’t bet over winter. *criteria* look first at the horses who have won the most stake money – if you think others may be better then don’t bet. Short distance races are best as there is ‘no luck involved in the running’ – it’s just horse against horse over short distances – they either have the ability or not.
      
      If you are making money doing that then increase your bet up to the maximum that you are comfortable with…..just saying…. $100. 😎
      
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      October 6, 2017 12:46pm
      - SPC
        
        If you can afford to lose $1000 doing it and you are confident of picking a winner every 10 races, consider this (either your picks or take the tips of others those who pick a winner every race meet/every 10 races). And as noted some types of races are more predictable (and times of the year when surfaces are consistent).
        
        $1 first race, $2 second and so on. It will be $512 by the 10th race. Once you win, back to the beginning, $1 bet. With the win bet always higher than $1, one should come out ahead a fair share of the time.
        
        A somewhat safe approach to betting at annual race meets. Or past-time for the more avid race fan, gambler.
        
        What is the problem is that you have to sometimes accept the $1000 loss and not dig the hole deeper if you cannot afford to keep losing.
        
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        October 6, 2017 1:38pm
Manolo

The communist Aussie in front of the courts:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/russel-norman-faces-trial-over-oil-protest/ar-AAsVuaj?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout

Greenpeace executive director and former politician Russel Norman will stand trial for his part in a deep-sea oil protest.

He and volunteer Sara Howell jumped into the water in front of the oil exploration ship Amazon Warrior, off the Wairarapa coast, in April 2017.
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October 6, 2017 9:58am
- G152
  
  That they weren’t harmed by the ship I blame the master.
  Surely he could have increased revs to have a satisfactory result
  
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  October 6, 2017 10:29am
  - VicParking
    
    They should have arrested the Greenpeace ship taken it back to port and left him hanging onto the bouy.
    
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    October 6, 2017 4:26pm
    - RF
      
      Is that bouy or boy. Not sure which way he swings but he looks dodgy.
      
      Even the sharks ignored him…
      
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      October 6, 2017 8:29pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And they had been offered diversion….
  
  What a waste of public money and Court time
  https://www.climateconversation.org.nz/2017/10/climate-lawbreakers-to-face-trial/#more-24489
  
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  October 6, 2017 1:24pm
Monique Watson

Fuck waiting for Winston’s diddling around. Dead cert he’ll go National. Up until the specials are counted I’m tempted to play Possum.
That is where you all buy a box of beer and sit up a tree and get drunk. At least over the weekend while there is a responsible adult in the house.
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October 6, 2017 10:02am
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

Colourful South Auckland has seen some extra vibrant cultural activities lately!

This super lucky Indian taxi driver got blessed with a Brown cultural enrichment ritual that will make him the talk and envy of all white Progressive cosmopolitans (or is that homopolitans?) in Grey Lynn and Central Wellington, for weeks to come!

” Auckland Co-op driver Balkar Singh has been left in shock and his vehicle is off the road after a boulder struck his vehicle on the motorway as he drove a top company executive from the airport yesterday.

It’s the latest in a string of disturbing incidents over the past few days in which vehicles have been pelted by rocks from a footbridge that crosses State Highway 20A in Mangere.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11930123

Diversity is our strength!
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October 6, 2017 10:25am
- Inandout
  
  Nothing will change until a ministerial limousine is targeted, then all hell will break loose.
  
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  October 6, 2017 11:13am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    “ministerial limousine is targeted”
    
    We can only pray and hope.
    
    #LetsCulturallyEnrichenTheElites
    
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    October 6, 2017 11:57am
    - VicParking
      
      That happened in Whanganui and the driver not a Nut go charged
      
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      October 6, 2017 4:28pm
  - Digmen1
    
    I’d prefer it if it was a Labour pardy bus, or van.
    
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    October 6, 2017 12:18pm
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      Anyone who pretends that race is not real and Diversity™ is our greatest strength needs to get a complimentary rock to their skull at 100km/h at the hands of their pet Vibrants.
      
      Yeah that means you, mikenmild.
      
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      October 6, 2017 12:46pm
- GoVege
  
  When the hell are they gonna put higher barriers up on ALL motorway overbridges?
  This has gone on for years.
  They only put up high barriers on the Princes Street over bridge at Otahuhu AFTER a poor guy was killed.
  I think a 14 year old kid was jailed.
  The authorities responsible for the bridge should have been prosecuted for allowing the public to be endangered.
  
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  October 6, 2017 12:20pm
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    “When the hell are they gonna put higher barriers up on ALL motorway overbridges?”
    
    Stop pretending to be race blind and that this is not a race issue.
    
    You know full well GoVeg its only a certain demographic that has a penchant for murder by rock off overpass.
    
    So only suburbs bordering motorways which have that certain demographic need caging off.
    
    I could think of even more effective solutions, but I would be accused of ethnic cleansing probably thanks to nuisance international human rights laws.
    
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    October 6, 2017 12:52pm
  - Gabby
    
    He’d be out and about by now well and truly.
    
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    October 6, 2017 7:53pm
Manolo

Market exuberance:
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/05/us-stocks-sp-record-high.html

U.S. stocks hit record highs Thursday as the S&P 500 completed its longest winning streak in four years. The S&P 500 also had its sixth straight record close, the longest such streak since 1997.
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October 6, 2017 10:47am
Fletch

Bloody Pam Corkery was on Breakfast this morning. WHo knows what possessed them to want to have that harridan on screen. I didn’t watch it but apparently she was shooting her mouth off all over the place (as usual).

I wonder if she has paid back the little old lady she ‘borrowed’ money from?
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October 6, 2017 10:59am
- lifesgood
  
  It came up in my news feed on Facebook and I watched it. I was absolutely disgusted. She is a foul mouthed skank who supports Labour. If Labour has these kind of supporters, God help them. Jahan Kasinadar was the voice of reason, articulate and polite against this disgusting woman. She doesn’t even live in NZ so why on earth was she brought into the studio? Rumour has it she left the country owing money. Breakfast has just sunk to a new low.
  
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  October 6, 2017 11:09am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  I wonder if she is syphilitic? She was a whore back in the day, if I recall, from her own admission. Late stage syphilis can take decades to spread into the brain resulting in intensifying bizzaro thought processes and behaviour.
  
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  October 6, 2017 12:11pm
  - Gabby
    
    She didn’t get it from you did she jizzymitts.
    
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    October 6, 2017 4:54pm
Manolo

Time is up for this unashamed Champagne progressive:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/top-house-democrat-i-think-its-time-for-nancy-pelosi-and-her-leadership-team-to-go/2017/10/05/0df09a86-a9e4-11e7-b3aa-c0e2e1d41e38_story.html?utm_term=.bf421fb985b6
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October 6, 2017 11:14am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  I laughed as she shook and trembled surrounded by protesting spics shrieking at her about her offer of amnesty for “Dreamers” wasnt enough – “ALL 11 MILLION!!! ALL 11 MILLION!!!”.
  
  The Dem Party is Anti-white, its clients are all Colourfuls + Sexual Degenerates looking for all sorts of gibs and concessions as they relentlessly destroy white American civilisation.
  
  The sooner those white liberal elites are purged from the party and replaced with negroes etc, the sooner more white normies will wake up and abandon the Dem party, vote for their tribal interests instead of against them.
  
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  October 6, 2017 12:37pm
Digmen1

The Herald now believes that you can see Los Angeles Airport from Las Vegas.

“Also on Thursday, it emerged that the crowds at the Route 91 festival were not Paddock’s only targets on Sunday: He’d also attempted to detonate tanks of jet fuel close to the event.

The tanks are roughly two blocks away from the Mandalay Bay Resort and 1,100 feet from the concert site, and contain jet fuel for the nearby Los Angeles International Airport, The Las Vegas Review-Journal reported.

They are perfectly in line with the second window that Paddock broke in a suite adjoining his main sniper’s nest, around 2,000 feet away.

Paddock had successfully managed to hit the tanks, but had failed to penetrate them, a source with knowledge of the investigation said.

The FBI had inspected the tanks and made measurements, and they have since been repaired.”

Two things.
Very poor editing or geography!
Wow that guy was going hard out like a Rambo!
Killing all those people, trying to blow up the tanks and two bombs in his car!

The Security Guard, Cambos, should get a medal, he was a real hero.

– AP, Daily Mail
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October 6, 2017 12:15pm
- sooty
  
  This what you get when you interview your computor. The kiddies been loose again.
  
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  October 6, 2017 12:22pm
waripori

I remember the olden days when special votes were counted progressively as they came to hand . It was like watching a rugby match as one candidate would inch ahead in close electorate and then a batch of votes would rock up from a resthome or somewhere and the numbers would change.

Why have they not done that this time? The trend in the specials would have been obvious within a day or two and we might have a government by now.
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October 6, 2017 12:25pm
SPC

Four bits of random information.

1. habit of mass murders to get drunk, use drugs and spend time in hotel rooms with escorts.
2. second meal to a casino hotel room.
3. women informs concert goers before the shooting that they were all going to die.
4. an escort who came forward to police would never work in a Las Vegas hotel again.

How long before the local sheriff works out he needs an identikit of the woman drawn up and show it to hotel staff around Las Vegas …
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October 6, 2017 12:41pm
JasonJohns

Things have not gone my way this week…largely because of HOUNDS
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October 6, 2017 1:48pm
- pentwig
  
  who cares. idiot.
  
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  October 6, 2017 8:27pm
cha

~~Pro-life~~ forced birth hypocrites make the best hypocrites.

//

A text message sent in January to U.S. Rep. Tim Murphy by a woman with whom he had an extra-marital relationship took him to task for an anti-abortion statement posted on Facebook from his office’s public account.

“And you have zero issue posting your pro-life stance all over the place when you had no issue asking me to abort our unborn child just last week when we thought that was one of the options,” Shannon Edwards, a forensic psychologist in Pittsburgh with whom the congressman admitted last month to having a relationship, wrote to Mr. Murphy on Jan. 25, in the midst of an unfounded pregnancy scare.

[…]

The congressman has been lauded by the Family Research Council, for his stance on abortion, as well as for family values, generally. He also has been endorsed by LifePAC, which opposes abortion rights, and is a member of the House Pro-Life Caucus, an affiliation that is often cited by his office.

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-nation/2017/10/03/rep-tim-Murphy-pro-life-sought-abortion-affair-shannon-edwards-susan-mosychuk-pennsylvania-chief-of-staff-congress-emails-texts/stories/201710030018?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=Echobox
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October 6, 2017 2:43pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Abortion is wrong, cha. Stop pretending otherwise.
  
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  October 6, 2017 3:09pm
- nasska
  
  ….”you have zero issue posting your pro-life stance all over the place when you had no issue asking me to abort our unborn child”….
  
  Dirty stinking two faced religious arsehole…..typical.
  
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  October 6, 2017 7:20pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Just a normal day at the office for a Republican congressman.
    
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    October 6, 2017 7:27pm
    - nasska
      
      Or an ex Auckland mayor.
      
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      October 6, 2017 7:29pm
Fletch

This will make you want to throw up. Last night on The Tonight Show, women ‘writing’ thank-you notes to Hillary in person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpzeQ1Z3Ut0
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October 6, 2017 4:03pm
- cha
  
  Triggered Fletch, again.
  
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  October 6, 2017 4:25pm
- Gabby
  
  Snofwake.
  
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  October 6, 2017 4:57pm
Nostradamus

At Pete George’s Your NZ blog: The future here

I’ve been blogging for over six years now – in some ways I have enjoyed the challenge and have found it rewarding, but in other ways it is disappointing.
…
The only decision I have made so far is to scale things back. I don’t know yet how much and how quickly. But in part at least I want to move on and put my time and effort into different things.

The biggest issue I am grappling with is site moderation – due to a small number of people who abuse the privilege of commenting here and deliberately ignore or challenge fairly lenient conditions of participation Even if I post less I still have to monitor things to protect the site from lack of self control and from malice.

Perhaps DPF could offer the services of Dad4Justice, JasonJohns and Scorpion to make sure everyone who comments at YourNZ behaves themselves! And the occasional guest posts from Hugh and Penny should promote good discussion!
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October 6, 2017 4:39pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Check out the comments there…
  One of the commenters (Alan Wilkinson) suggests that P.G. finds himself a rich old person (gender not clarified) to marry.
  https://yournz.org/2017/10/06/the-future-here/#comment-222483
  I think we should submit a proposal to facilitate such a solution to P.G.’s blogging problem, for a moderate fee.
  
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  October 6, 2017 6:12pm
- realityczech
  
  So the sleazy Pete’s biggest concern is censorship. What a total POS.
  
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  October 6, 2017 8:20pm
stigie

Those 3 moderators of Dad, JJ and Scorpion would probably tell those 2 to fuck off Nostra, and rightly so !~
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October 6, 2017 5:58pm
- mikenmild
  
  I’ll moderate the fuck out of his wretched blog.
  
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  October 6, 2017 6:23pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Stigie:
  
  It’d make a change from “Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see”. Kimbo may be willing to pop in to YourNZ and administer a stern telling-off when the situation requires it.
  
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  October 6, 2017 6:24pm
  - mikenmild
    
    We could ask Keeping Stock to admonish anyone calling people names.
    
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    October 6, 2017 6:28pm
JasonJohns

Thank you for the tribute and suggestion I take over SJ.
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October 6, 2017 6:32pm
JasonJohns

i HAVE IN MANY WAYS ALREADY TAKEN OVER.
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October 6, 2017 6:33pm
- mikenmild
  
  Oh, is one of your personalities dominating the others, kea?
  
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  October 6, 2017 6:36pm
JasonJohns

When you have enough mental energy you can do a lot Mike. Just out it like that.
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October 6, 2017 6:49pm
JasonJohns

Great dignity patrol today in Ngaruawahia.
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October 6, 2017 6:50pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Thank goodness for that.. you seemed out of sorts earlier today… something about the HOUNDS.
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/10/general_debate_6_october_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-2044692
  I can send MAJOR over to sort them out
  https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/nonciclopedia/images/1/18/Chihuahua_indemoniato_con_siringa_tra_le_fauci.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090113150207
  
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  October 6, 2017 7:06pm
- mikenmild
  
  Were you carrying your toy guns?
  
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  October 6, 2017 7:28pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    Now it is another golden eveing heading to the Delta. And I would not be surprised if there are some media there tonight because peeps are starting to follow the fact that this is the place in NZ where the ‘shit’ goes ‘down’.
    
    Or to say it is another way the Delta is our authentic people’s parliament.
    
    Charlie Parker will be upstairs. Guy’s a legend.
    
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    October 6, 2017 7:32pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      JasonJohns:
      
      Now it is another golden eveing heading to the Delta.
      
      On Wednesday Awww C-mon asked: “Umm Jason. Don’t you ‘supposedly’ live in Eke?”
      
      I believe he’s referring to this comment of yours: “Into the bar in five minutes. I will pull tonight. Btw everyone, if you are driving into Eketahuna tonight, take a good look at the traffic. A lot of those cars will be rolling on my rubber”.
      
      Could you clear this up for us – a case of a mistaken Kiwiblog identity?
      
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      October 6, 2017 7:40pm
      - JasonJohns
        
        Lol my cousin Lucas runs a tyre shop out of that area and he has made a lot of money off me over the years. If you’re fitting up with him you’ll probably be rolling on my rubber.
        
        But like hell I would live in a hick town like Eketahuna.
        
        I live on Galileo Street Ngaruawahia. The name of the street is really interesting to me.
        
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        October 6, 2017 7:45pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”Don’t you ‘supposedly’ live in Eke?”…..
        
        We have standards!
        
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        October 6, 2017 7:46pm
      - stigie
        
        “We have standards!”
        
        Could you please put some photos up Nasska so we can judge for ourselves..?
        
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        October 6, 2017 8:03pm
      - nasska
        
        No problem stigie.
        
        http://www.goldpine.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Fence-Standard-05.jpg
        
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        October 6, 2017 8:11pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        Have you come across JasonJohns’ cousin Lucas in your travels around the Eketahuna township? He sounds like a jolly nice chap if you need someone’s rubber to roll on!
        
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        October 6, 2017 8:23pm
      - nasska
        
        There is a tyre fitter in Eke Nostra but I haven’t a clue who owns it. I’m about 20kms out of town & I confess that Masterton gets the major share of any business I’ve done.
        
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        October 6, 2017 8:30pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I live on Galileo Street Ngaruawahia.
        
        You really shouldn’t reveal this personal information.
        There are some very STRANGE people on blogs.
        
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        October 6, 2017 8:55pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        True Maggie,
        
        But I’d take a bet it’s the only true thing on this particular thread!
        
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        October 6, 2017 8:58pm
- JasonJohns
  
  Four downticks. Why would anyone have a problem with a DIGNITY patrol?
  
  Do you dislike apple pies and little old ladies too?
  
  Weird.
  
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  October 6, 2017 7:47pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Did you drive up from Eke for it?
  
  Edit: my thanks to the guru Nostradamus for highlighting this!
  
  JJ…. whatever ya muppet! ????
  
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  October 6, 2017 8:24pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    That sort of personal abuse is really unbcomeing.
    
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    October 6, 2017 8:28pm
JasonJohns

Not going to lie…have had some MAJOR problems with an Alsation and his ‘girlfriends’…but all sorted now. Dignity patrol followed said dog with a plastic bag and got some real ‘nuggets’. Keeping town clean is an important part of discipline. Public and personal hygiene are identical. Rubbish on a lawn is just as bad as urine stains on your trousers. And so on…
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October 6, 2017 7:30pm
realityczech

With Trump and others pulling out the billions of $$$ in funding the whole edifice of lies is falling apart. 🙂

CO2 is up but the temperature is not. Oh dear…

New Study: Global Warming Standstill Confirmed, Climate Models Wrong

http://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.co.nz/2017/10/gwpf-newsletter-new-study-global.html
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October 6, 2017 7:39pm
JasonJohns

Cool it Reality. No politics on a Fiday night.

And yes I’m talking to YOU.
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October 6, 2017 7:42pm
- realityczech
  
  No no no no JJ.
  
  Climate change is a about “science” [chuckle] 🙂
  
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  October 6, 2017 8:03pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    You need to have a beer.
    
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    October 6, 2017 8:04pm
JasonJohns

Had a beer. Energy comes.
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October 6, 2017 7:58pm
realityczech

Calls to censor YouTube searches. Google and YouTube are openly doing it to push various agendas anyway. This time it is about Las Vegas.

I do not think it was a false flag. However I do not believe in censorship .

Fabrications, hoaxes and other lies about the horrific mass shooting in Las Vegas this week which killed at least 59 people and wounded well over 500 others have been spreading rampant on YouTube, and it’s unclear if the video giant has any plans to do anything about it.

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/10/youtubes-search-results-promote-conspiracy-theories-about-the-las-vegas-shooting/
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October 6, 2017 7:59pm
JasonJohns

Why are you putting this up Reality? If I were you I would take a different path.
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October 6, 2017 8:00pm
- realityczech
  
  You would parrot the media narrative.
  
  So you are untroubled by being fed propaganda from one source only ?
  
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  October 6, 2017 8:05pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    Why don’t you focus on the jovial side of life? I would do so if I were you. Loosen up. Have a Rheineck and hallucinate.
    
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    October 6, 2017 8:07pm
JasonJohns

In the corner of the Delta downstairs at the mo. Alone but hopefully not for long. Have a password/intro ready:

‘I am a cowboy, ready for anything heavy’

Lol
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October 6, 2017 8:03pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Pretending to be texting all his homies… commenting on GD ??
  
  Probably at home on the couch wishing he was out. Practicing lines, picking up 2nd cousins and commenting on GD ??
  
  Which is sadder?!
  
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  October 6, 2017 8:32pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    Made first trip of the night to the urinal! First time is always a bit nervy, like taking the first bouncer opening the batting against the West Indies. But after the first time yr nerves settle. Just have to do it: flop it out and be brave.
    
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    October 6, 2017 9:06pm
- realityczech
  
  Have a phone list of lawyers ready for later 🙂
  
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  October 6, 2017 8:34pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/green-candidate-golriz-ghahraman-could-become-nzs-first-refugee-mp-tomorrow

Self-styled Linda Sarsour aka “Nasty Woman” and ” Iranian Feminist”

Shudder…
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October 6, 2017 8:06pm
- All_on_Red
  
  “Yes my last name means cockroach in Arabic and yes I am proud of it!”
  @lsarsour
  17/04/10 2:51pm
  
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  October 6, 2017 9:08pm
JasonJohns

Rodney Randall. Love the name and he hits nails on the head.
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October 6, 2017 8:08pm
JasonJohns

Onto third beer. Energies flowing. Sent a psychokinetic ‘flow’ to the bar, made a ‘tough guy’ spill his whiskey lol

Getting some looks. Think my dignity patrols have made a real impact
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October 6, 2017 9:16pm
JasonJohns

Old Maori joker in the corner half asleep by jukebox. Good opportunity to start a conversation. Might talk about Milo Yannipolous and the alt-right with him.
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October 6, 2017 9:26pm
JasonJohns

Alas, his level of conscious simply too low. Time for another visit to that urinal. Not so nervous after my fourth beer!
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October 6, 2017 9:28pm
Tauhei Notts

Horse Racing.
I see the Spinster Stakes, a top race for three year old fillies, will be run at Keeneland, Kentucky, on Sunday.
I imagine that in our country the feminazis would insist that such a race be named the Bacherolette Stakes.
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October 6, 2017 9:47pm
JasonJohns

Cpl of the ppl in this pub r clearly suffering effects of radiation sickness. No joke.
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