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Manolo

Moves and countermoves. The chess game continues:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-22/new-york-is-said-to-prep-manafort-charges-if-trump-pardons-him

New York state prosecutors have put together a criminal case against Paul Manafort that they could file quickly if the former chairman of Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign receives a presidential pardon.
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February 23, 2019 8:01am
- Scott
  
  Manolo, in my opinion the vindictiveness of the left knows no bounds. They are determined to make anyone who supported Trump’s campaign pay a price for supporting him. In other words support an outsider like Trump and you could face the same fate as Paul Manafort.
  
  Although Manafort may have been involved in shady dealings the fact is he is only being prosecuted to get at Trump. He would be a free man but for the Mueller investigation and its desire to get dirt on Trump.
  
  Manafort was held in solitary confinement for months. A cruel punishment in itself. He was raided by armed agents in the early morning as if he was a mafia Don. His wife was searched in her nightie.
  
  Ridiculous treatment but only understandable when you grasp the level of animus against trump that exists in the higher levels of the justice department and the deep state.
  
  Manafort should be pardoned and set free. And the whole special counsel should be thoroughly investigated IMHO.
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:40am
  - ztev
    
    Manafort was being investigated by FBI before Muellar probe…. potential money laundering and failure to disclose his foreign work…they just took over investigation.
    Are you confused over which one of Trumps crooked mates was arrested early morning..wasnt that Roger Stone. But others are Papadopoulous and Gates…so many crooks
    
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    February 23, 2019 5:17pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Now we know where ardern the liar got her training from…
      
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      February 23, 2019 8:43pm
Colinxy

Will any NZ journalist be brave enough to ask Cullen how many art pieces he owns and how much they’re worth?

Then do the same for Ardern, Peters and the rest of the COL.
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February 23, 2019 8:02am
- dubya
  
  How many of them have an original Helen Clark?
  
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  February 23, 2019 8:03am
  - Inandout
    
    dubya, an original Helen hanging in the toilet would do wonders for constipation.
    
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    February 23, 2019 8:09am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      Ahh but how does one know if it is truly an original?
      
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      February 23, 2019 8:16am
      - ldypen
        
        The real one look really really bitchy
        
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        February 23, 2019 8:23am
      - stigie
        
        So in love !!
        
        https://www.odt.co.nz/sites/default/files/styles/odt_portrait_medium_3_4/public/story/2016/04/clark-s-husband-unlikely-to-join-her-in-new-york-1.jpg?itok=9J22AGy9
        
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        February 23, 2019 9:24am
      - softail 1450
        
        In and out,,, a picture of the creature Clark hanging in your bedroom would be a foolproof birth control device as well……
        
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        February 23, 2019 9:58am
      - Brian Marshall
        
        Couldn’t delete my very inappropriate comment meant for Inandout…. i’ll behave now.
        
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        February 23, 2019 10:55am
    - lilman
      
      As self portrait of Helen on ceiling would be effective conception.
      
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      February 23, 2019 10:18am
  - freethinker
    
    None because there are no original Komrade Klarke paintings.
    
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    February 23, 2019 8:56am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Why is this shit necessary, I have never known cocks to have a conscience, are they worried that one got away?
      
      One of the few memorable comments here on Kiwiblog for me, was made by Dime where he reckoned that he had paid for sex with women that he wouldn’t have fucked for free.
      So think on gents, it is not only men that have worn beer googles, and women are far more likely not to have had a ‘happy ending’.
      
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      February 23, 2019 7:02pm
  - Tall Man
    
    There is only one h1…thank fuck.
    
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    February 23, 2019 2:45pm
    - sooty
      
      What is it with old Labour MPs.
      Clarke, Cullen, Palmer, Heather, Wayne Mapp.
      Dot hey have money problems after retiring on gold plated pensions.
      It must piss off the younger labour.
      Why can’t they STFU and shuffle off to the rest home!
      
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      February 23, 2019 2:52pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Sooty, Wayne Mapp was a National MP for North Shore & was a Minister in the first Key government.
        
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        February 23, 2019 3:44pm
      - ancient one
        
        I put up hoardings for Richard Prebble in the 1978 election with Wayne Mapp.
        He was labour to begin with and in my opinion didn’t change his ideas one jot when he joined the Tories.
        
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        February 23, 2019 7:33pm
- Yvette
  
  Can anyone please give a link to where this new tax proposal explains “intellectual property” and how that is accessed.
  
  While it may apply to self-employed computer programmers and the like, will it also apply to self-employed writers and artists.
  
  Will self-employed painters be liable for CGT, in creating the artwork that to the purchaser may be CGT exempt?
  
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  February 23, 2019 8:10am
  - peterwn
    
    Have to wait for the Bill to be introduced and I would not be so sure it will answer the questions. There would seem to be enormous gaps to be filled in before the report can be converted to legislation. I doubt the writers of the report (or at least 5 of them) have any real idea of the actual economic and political impacts of their recommendations.
    
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    February 23, 2019 8:50am
    - Yvette
      
      Apparently “intellectual property” may apply to brandnames, patients – and I guess items like “secret recipes”, which would be a fun exercise in estimating a CGT value.
      
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      February 23, 2019 9:12am
    - Brian Marshall
      
      If you want to know why the ideas are so bad, look at who supported it, look at the three who did not. Especially the minority members. Look at their back grounds, and in particular Robin Oliver’s background.
      
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      February 23, 2019 10:59am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Not that great – still thinks it’s a good idea to slam rental housing. Mum and Dad landlords with one or two rentals would be hardest hit.
        
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        February 23, 2019 11:56am
      - ztev
        
        Not mum and dad landlords …very few of those.
        
        The richest 10% of NZ own 60% of the wealth.
        https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/307458/10-percent-richest-kiwis-own-60-percent-of-nz's-wealth. Im sure if you went to 15% they would have 75% of the wealth.
        
        Poorest 40% held 3% of wealth , says Stats NZ
        
        Are you a ‘mum and dad’ investor with an extra house or bach- didnt think so.
        
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        February 23, 2019 5:24pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Zitty is lying:
        
        “Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment released figures in 2015 showing there were about 130,000 landlords with rental properties – slightly more than 100,000 owned a single property”
        
        Now double it: those landlords are in couples. Now double that: those people will have grown up kids.
        
        None of those people want CGT on the little rental.
        
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        February 23, 2019 5:55pm
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Surely Art can be defined as Intellectual Property?
    
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    February 23, 2019 9:38am
    - sooty
      
      So if a house painter signed his work,
      Is it art!
      Who says it’s not?
      
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      February 23, 2019 2:54pm
  - tf78
    
    I hope not – I just spent three days painting our deck – I think it’s a beautiful work of art, will our house now be exempt.
    
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    February 23, 2019 9:51am
    - Tall Man
      
      House at $1.00 no..Artwork at $???????
      
      You’re good.
      
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      February 23, 2019 2:48pm
- alloytoo
  
  The New Zealand “art” community is a closed shop centered around the university art schools.
  
  If you’re not part of the in crowd producing the “approved” art you’re not going to be allowed into the government subsidy scheme (AKA a university post).
  
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  February 23, 2019 8:15am
  - kowtow
    
    “approved” art AKA shit.
    
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    February 23, 2019 9:36am
    - alloytoo
      
      ethnically “correct”
      
      (not unique to this country)
      
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      February 23, 2019 9:58am
- KevOB
  
  Are lawnmowers included?
  
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  February 23, 2019 8:24am
  - Colinxy
    
    Only artistic Czech ones.
    
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    February 23, 2019 8:27am
  - freethinker
    
    Depends on the kind of lines they produce, white ones are exempt of course.
    
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    February 23, 2019 8:58am
- Harkman
  
  As Finance Minister he would have received the first issuing of any new currency (eg new banknotes) these often sell in in the tens of thousands at auction.He wouldn’t pay a Cap Gains Tax though, he didn’t pay for them.
  
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  February 23, 2019 8:47am
  - kowtow
    
    Gifts must be declared .
    
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    February 23, 2019 9:37am
  - MH
    
    they would have pitchars of him on it so would qualify as a work of art….moana lista…. moaner lista.
    
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    February 23, 2019 12:44pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Colin, Red Radio sure ‘brave’ enough to ask Amy Adams how many houses she owns. As if opposing CGT was all due to being a multi-property landlord. Leftards can’t see any further than that.
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:27am
  - Ross12
    
    Question for anyone who has more understanding of the detail than me.
    If someone has 20 rentals, for example, which they operate as a company incorporating all of the houses and they sell one of those houses during a year –will that attract CGT on it’s own and have to be paid then or does the CGT only apply when that company as a whole is sold?
    
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    February 23, 2019 10:30am
    - Brian Marshall
      
      I haven’t read the details, but it looked like the company would have to declare the capital gains, and if the company was sold later on, you as a shareholder could get hit by any potential capital gains on a sale of the shares.
      
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      February 23, 2019 11:03am
      - Ross12
        
        Thanks Brian.
        So on that basis the CGT accumulates until the company is sold sometime in the “never , never”.
        I can see this getting very messy. How will they distinguish between profit and capital gain. I have just come back from the vege market –we know some stall holders have bought product from the wholesaler yesterday and are selling it on their stall today –is that not the same as me buying a house a few months ago and on selling today at say a $20K gain ( assuming I have a property company)
        
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        February 23, 2019 12:11pm
      - sooty
        
        How come they did not ask the lefties, how many some of them have got?
        
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        February 23, 2019 2:56pm
      - Ross12
        
        Brian
        I have reread your reply and thought about it. I may have misinterpreted your meaning. If you meant we are talking about the capital gain on the company and not the individual houses accumulated this would open another can of worms.
        In the example above, the owner(s) of the company could trade their way down before sale (maybe over a few years) to ensure at the end there was not a capital gain, or at least a quite a small one–they would have inevitably paid some company tax on the way but they also had all the deductions as well.
        The accountants are going have a field day.
        
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        February 23, 2019 3:07pm
  - Colinxy
    
    I believe Adams did okay in her interview with Espiner.
    
    She could have done better by asking why Espiner thinks his art investments should be exempt from a CGT.
    
    Why should Leftards get a free ride on their pretentious twaddle that masquerades as art?
    
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    February 23, 2019 2:24pm
dubya

We can only hope the country sees her for what she is, and deems Ardern a Single-Use Plastic Bag at the next election.
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February 23, 2019 8:03am
- hullkiwi
  
  Good comment!
  
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  February 23, 2019 8:57am
DigNap15

Those of us who do not like the CGT in general need to tell all of our friends and workmates how bad it will be.
Dearer rents
Less Businesses (jobs)
Kiwi Saver (just about everyone now is in it)
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February 23, 2019 8:08am
- Inandout
  
  DN15, Cullen knows his proposals won’t see the light of day, but hell he has pocketed a lot of fees meantime.
  
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  February 23, 2019 8:11am
  - DigNap15
    
    I hope you are correct.
    But the COL will push the “its only fair”, “tax the rich pricks” mantra for the next 18 months.
    
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    February 23, 2019 8:13am
    - alloytoo
      
      Push back with:
      
      “Tax on inflation” isn’t fair.
      
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      February 23, 2019 8:18am
      - Colinxy
        
        While true, I fear inflation is too much of a nebulous concept for most people to imagine.
        
        That’s why I’ve picked on artworks and made it personal: how much is Cullen rorting the system for example.
        
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        February 23, 2019 8:37am
      - waikatogirl
        
        If you’re living on a benefit in a state house and have your hand out for any increases you aren’t likely to worry about what is fair for the bloke and blokess who are paying for it all. I suspect milk the rich pricks for all they are worth is more the way your mind works. The intricacies don’t enter your head.
        
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        February 23, 2019 8:48am
      - Swifty
        
        WG – or the consequences.
        
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        February 23, 2019 9:09am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        WG: sure, long-term beneficiaries are Labour devotees forever.
        
        But we can show Taxinda-star-struck swinging voters who have some investments (e.g. Kiwisaver, small rental) or a bach, and older ppl who would like their kids to inherit how hard CGT will hit them.
        
        I would like the Sorted.org site to show what this will mean. Currently, they tell us to plan to use up our savings by death. That means *selling* shares: CGT.
        
        People have been planning their retirement using that information.
        
        Sorted.org also tell us to calculate on a 2.6% return on our investments. That will be much lower with CGT.
        
        Sorted.org: get honest. Show people that they now need to *save much more* to have that comfortable retirement, because CGT will take a huge whack out of their savings.
        
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        February 23, 2019 9:40am
      - tf78
        
        The more we end up being like Venezuela the higher our inflation will be, what effect will that have on CGT as it could end up at 1,000%.
        
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        February 23, 2019 9:56am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Classic Liberal: “People have been planning their retirement using that information.”
        
        Which begs the point that voters are informed of a change in the age of eligibility for superannuation 20 years before implementation. How come CGT that will definitely adversely affect planned retirements is being not indicated 20 years out from proposed implementation?? ?
        
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        February 23, 2019 10:04am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Nor is gst if you have to deregister!!
        
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        February 23, 2019 11:16am
      - sooty
        
        Cullen is on a thou day, plus expenses!
        
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        February 23, 2019 11:40am
      - sooty
        
        I would say only works three days aswell.
        One day travel to Well. Limo to airport.
        Three days work. 5 star accom.
        Return travel to the mount and limo home!
        
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        February 23, 2019 3:00pm
  - Chris R
    
    Inandout: I am convinced that Cullen does believe the TWG report will be brought into law. It will be comprehensive and destructive. It won’t just “see the light of day” it will act as a total eclipse of the sun when it comes to NZ’ers aspirations and enterprise. These socialist filth mongers are devoid of decency, humanity and respect for private property rights. I detest the coalition.
    
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    February 23, 2019 9:17am
    - Komata
      
      Chris @0917
      
      But isn’t ‘I’m a knight’ Cullen also now one of the very ‘rich pricks’ he railed against during his cabinet years?
      
      Does this mean that he is ‘Conflicted’ ideologically?
      
      Not on your life; he’s as greedy as those he vilifies, so you can be certain that he and cindy and all the rest of the hierchy of socialists currently running NZ will have certain ‘arrngements’ to ensure they won’t be affected.
      
      It’s only the ‘lower orders’ who are being penalised
      
      BTW: I wonder what advice he gave ‘Million dollar’ cindy in relation to HER home?
      
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      February 23, 2019 4:53pm
  - niggly
    
    “…but hell he has pocketed a lot of fees meantime”.
    
    So at $1000/day that’s $5,000 per week. How long was Cullen’s working group operating? Let’s conservatively say 6 months (guestimate, without checking, more likely to be much longer) or 26 weeks, so 26 x $5,000 = $130,000 of taxpayers money!
    
    Cullen ain’t the only ex-Labour “rich prick” pocketing extreme amounts of tax payer cash since the COL formed dozens of working groups. Because of the scale of the COL working groups (what some 200 odd by now), why isn’t this corruption?
    
    After all, if they were in Opposition and National was doing this, you can bet WinstonFirst, the Greens and Labour would all be shouting out “Corruption”!
    
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    February 23, 2019 9:18am
    - peterwn
      
      I was on a Government working group some years back (it was a National government but the working group and my involvement were apolitical). I did not expect to be paid nor was I paid a thing.
      There would have been many working groups set up by governments and its agencies where members were effectively paid by their employers or if self employed etc, were not paid anything. But Labour has made working groups one big gravy train to reward its cronies. And I wonder how many have double-dipped by still collecting a salary while doing working group business in work time.
      
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      February 23, 2019 1:01pm
- Monique Watson
  
  Exemption for the family home is a sop to those who did well after the GFC. “Oh well, if it doesn’t affect my home then why not vote Labour”.
  Then three years later the family home is no longer exempt.
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:00am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I suspect a lot of small business owners and life-stylers who voted Labour/Green are now wondering what the hell they have let themselves in for.
    
    Even if all the proposed tax reforms are not passed into legislation… 2021… you know that they are in the offing.
    
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    February 23, 2019 9:20am
    - marcw
      
      Once the framework for CGT is into the law, yes, that is exactly what will happen. Bit by bit the “exemptions” put in place on introduction to make it palatable to the gullible voters will be removed, and all the rates that were introduced at first will have to be increased to make up for the cost and the fact that little actual revenue is raised. Even if a minimal CGT was enacted if somehow this cretinous COL gets back in, they must be punished before it becomes entrenched. Otherwise there is no future for NZ in the real world.
      
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      February 23, 2019 10:51am
    - Universal Smith
      
      “I suspect a lot of small business owners and life-stylers who voted Labour/Green are now wondering what the hell they have let themselves in for.”
      
      Maggy, they don’t like socialism and equality when it uses their money. Sure sign of the fake caring that is so prevalent among the white educated middle classes.
      
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      February 23, 2019 10:55am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Nob, are you none of those things? Sad. The only thing fake is you pretending to be centrist.
        
        There is no shame being any or all of those things, just as you can’t help being what you are and shouldn’t feel shame either.
        
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        February 23, 2019 11:25am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Maggy, they don’t like socialism and equality when it uses their money. Sure sign of the fake caring that is so prevalent among the white educated middle classes.
        
        I agree that applies in some cases…
        but some small business owners have come up via the old working-class method… of doing a thorough apprenticeship and spending years working in their industry before setting up on their own, or taking over the business they work for.
        
        These folks aren’t mega-capitalists; they survive by the skin of their teeth at times – mortgaging homes & assets to keep the business and jobs going through tough times.
        But now, why the hell would they try to grow their business, take on more staff, build up goodwill/reputation, if they are going to take a major hit when they sell their business to retire?
        
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        February 23, 2019 12:24pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        Maggy, I agree. I was making a general comment aimed at a certain group.
        
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        February 23, 2019 1:48pm
    - peterwn
      
      And those who voted NZ First to ‘teach National a lesson’.
      
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      February 23, 2019 1:03pm
      - MickMac
        
        Peterwyn
        
        Yes me.
        But let’s be clear here.
        
        I did it because John Key, Bill English (the manager not leader) and others fucked over middle NZ.
        Many of them small business owners and blue collar workers.
        
        By Kicking so much down the road.
        I’m glad National got dropped by their own stupidity, arrogance and lacjlustre behaviour to ordinary Kiwis.
        But they don’t appear to have learned.
        So as much as I hope National win back I don’t expect it.
        As it is Labours to lose.
        
        I’m actually thinking about “Just how much have the Chinese got over National”?
        I think there is a convo there?
        As much as I detest Labour, watermelons and now NZF.
        
        National needs to show
        1. it deserves our vote.
        2. it will look after NZ and the ordinary Kiwi.
        3. It will actually do what small business needs not the corporates and the Maori.
        
        Show us getting rid of the Maori seats, tax free Maori land, WFF, adjust tax tables, stop unqualified immigration, stop Chinese owning NZ land until NZ can own Chinese land. In fact enforce same rules on everyone. Enhance and protect Kiwisaver and stop dicking around with it. better still Kiwisaver tax free!! Getting NZ super out of Current account or better still gonski.
        
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        February 23, 2019 1:31pm
      - peterwn
        
        MicMac:
        “I did it [voted NZF] because John Key, Bill English (the manager not leader) and others fucked over middle NZ.”
        Good one! I am going to be equally clear – you shot yourself in the foot. Now the current pack of clowns is fucking over middle NZ even worse.
        
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        February 23, 2019 2:48pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        MickMac has restored my hope in humanity today.
        
        He has put aside tribal group think and thought for himself. He gets it.
        
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        February 23, 2019 2:49pm
  - calendar girl
    
    Monique, it will apply to our “family home” immediately, a home out in the country which we had built for us 18 years ago and where we have lived ever since.
    
    Our home section is 8,227 square meters (2.03 acres) producing nothing much more than grass clippings and fallen leaves, and enjoying a lot of love and tender care from its owners. But that ‘family home’ section is nearly twice Cullen’s arbitrarily-permitted size of 4500 square meters, so any increasing value of both home and land will be made subject to CGT by these always-envious lefties who choose to portray us as ‘rich pricks’. Even though our property’s $ value is much less than that of the PM’s home in Auckland City which will presumably be able to avoid CGT.
    
    Is this to be a deliberate descrimination against country people? Why would a threshold for ‘family home’ tax liability be set in square meters, rather than in the property’s assessed market value? We can’t detach a brick & tile home from the land on which it has stood for 18 years.
    
    If you want to work hard to establish yourself securely, be prepared to be chopped down as undeserving tall poppies by the Arderns and Cullens of this world.
    
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    February 23, 2019 10:10am
    - Monique Watson
      
      OMG CGirl! That says it all. Over just under two decades the Labour Party have made a bollocks job of planning for population growth. The Labour dominated Council rezoned Auckland in the late 2000’s which caused a huge jump in rates for those with Lifestyle blocks. I did a case study for a gentleman who’s rates had jumped from 2k to well over 10k and he wasn’t running anything on it.
      Now this CGT bullshit when there is no possible way we were spending over our limit and we have an excellent welfare system. Key and co ensured we lived within our means. Why can’t Labour.
      I can see the chain of events leading to a market crash. Lifestlylers sell b4 the inactment, farmers get out of farming and the production of solids goes down. Meanwhile other countries get a leg up in the dairy industry as we alienate major customers. Dollar goes to 60c
      Oh yeah. We’re doomed and we no longer have recourse as the pendulum has tilted so far left. When most of us just want a peaceful life, a bit of land and some animal friends.
      Goodbye Kiwi way of life.
      Best
      Monique
      
      PS. Fuck you Cullen for fomenting hate and pitting kiwis against each other.
      
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      February 23, 2019 11:07am
      - calendar girl
        
        Thanks Monique. (BTW it’s “CG” in this cas, rather than “WG”, but I’m sure that many in the Waikato would agree with our respective comments!)
        
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        February 23, 2019 11:14am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        And good on Simon for calling it as it is, an assault on Kiwi values.
        
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        February 23, 2019 11:28am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Monique, all right except ‘excellent welfare system’. Getting several generations dependent and feeling entitled to handouts is not healthy at all.
        
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        February 23, 2019 12:05pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        We owned a lifestyle block but sold a few years ago. I am so angry for you and others CG. It certainly isn’t all beer and skittles living in the country with supply and maintenance of your own sewage system and water supply. We own our own business so will get caught with CGT so angry about that too.
        Why would anyone bother!?
        
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        February 23, 2019 1:20pm
    - fernglas
      
      Wrong. The CGT will be levied on the increase in value of the land in excess of 4500m2
      
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      February 23, 2019 12:00pm
      - calendar girl
        
        I think you overlook the increase in the value of the whole property, i.e. the land andthe “family home” which cannot be separated physically (or valued separately, other than in hypothetical theory).
        
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        February 23, 2019 9:36pm
    - peterwn
      
      “Is this to be a deliberate descrimination against country people?”. No it is not. It is just that people in your position are perceived to be National supporters and so there are no votes to lose or gain. However a portion of lifestyle block owners would vote Green (for the green part of the melon) and those votes would be at risk.
      
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      February 23, 2019 1:07pm
      - toby1845
        
        Unfortunately, if they vote Green, they are terminably stupid. In that case, they won’t change.
        
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        February 23, 2019 7:45pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      I’m in the same boat CG. Our property is 5391sqm, so we too will fall within Cullen’s arbitrary 4500sqm limit.
      
      Because of the odd placement of our driveway (it runs through the middle of our section to the neighbour’s place further up the hill) we are considering selling him the land on one side of the driveway which comprises a paddock and a small orchard. However that might not be possible, as I understand our subdivision has a caveat for minimum section sizes.
      
      Like you, we are on the edge of the city, but only 5 minutes drive to the main street and about six minutes from work. It’s not a productive farm, and much of the fruit our orchard produces is given to the local Foodbank. I will be waiting for the government’s April announcement of the direction it intends to take with much interest, and no small amount of trepidation.
      
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      February 23, 2019 3:31pm
- kowtow
  
  Brian Gaynor has a good article on this .
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12206380
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:39am
  - Steve Todd
    
    “The most practical, and politically effective, way to introduce a capital gains tax is to apply it to residential rental property only, with a tax rate below 20 per cent.” [Brian Gaynor].
    
    Many commenters here will disagree with me, but most people should be able to live with that. And, because it would be simple/straightforward (presumably) to administer, varying rates of CGT could apply. Very simply, for example—
    
    0% below $500,000;
    15% between $500,000 and $2M; and
    20% on $2M+.
    
    That’s just by way of example. I have no idea at what amounts of capital gain such tax brackets would apply, in the New Zealand context.
    
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    February 23, 2019 12:58pm
    - peterwn
      
      So Brian Gaynor is going to make things even more difficult for tenants. A CGT on investment rental properties will change the equilibrium point so the mom and pop landlords who stay in the game (others will exit meaning their properties are lost from the rental market) will receive higher rents to compensate for the effects of CGT. So it will be the poor tenant effectively paying the landlord’s CGT.
      As it is tenants (in non-public rental housing) are at a disadvantage compared with owner occupiers as they effectively help the landlord pay his tax.
      I cannot how Brian can be so dumb as to fall for this.
      
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      February 23, 2019 2:57pm
      - toby1845
        
        I can. He writes for the Herald. That puts him in f-wit territory.
        
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        February 23, 2019 7:48pm
- MickMac
  
  CGT is just plain wrong.
  
  It attacks individual ownership.
  Govt always owns a % of your asset, not just income…….
  
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  February 23, 2019 1:08pm
fernglas

Message to Simon Bridges

1) The family home may presently be exempt, but how long will that last?
2) Why should people who can’t afford homes and have to save for retirement through Kiwisaver be hit with CGT when those who can afford homes are not?
Is that FAIR?
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February 23, 2019 8:10am
- KevOB
  
  My wife has a few personal clients she attends from home by making appointments to attend them. Will that put the home in the CGT net?
  What about a Vicar owning a home but getting a housing allowance?
  
  Taxes require equity, equity, equity…
  
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  February 23, 2019 8:30am
  - Inandout
    
    KevOB, declare your home a marae and you will be fine.
    
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    February 23, 2019 8:59am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Or how about a Church?
      
      Will religious groups have an exemption from CGT on the sale of their properties?
      
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      February 23, 2019 2:22pm
  - MickMac
    
    yep it is now under the CGT…
    
    all those Kiwis who
    have flatties,
    borders f/t or p/t,
    foreign students or term borders
    have a home office and claim it.
    Airbnb for any no of days…
    
    now fall foul.
    
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    February 23, 2019 1:10pm
    - tf78
      
      MicMac – Well – I call it home invasion and I don’t think that’s legal. All flatmates/people need a P.O. Box address – that would stymie them.
      
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      February 23, 2019 8:28pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        “All flatmates/people need a P.O. Box address – that would stymie them.”
        
        But then they wouldn’t be able to vote. (Nose, face.)
        
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        February 24, 2019 3:59pm
- Kabull
  
  Bridges has said he will repeal all taxes introduced via the TWG. That includes any new CGT.
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:48am
  - KevOB
    
    Let’s all get in behind National.
    We may not agree with every aspect of their policies or people.
    We do agree with National a lot more than a selected COL radicalising NZ and spending like they have already collected their new envy taxes.
    
    We need sense and responsibility in Government not ideologues trampling on the people or a spending spree
    
    National needs partners: you.
    Lets repeat the 1975 landslide.
    ☑️☑️
    
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    February 23, 2019 11:49am
    - peterwn
      
      Precisely!
      However I have a rather disturbing thought on this which I will try and get at the head of ‘General Debate’ soon.
      
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      February 23, 2019 1:12pm
    - Hard Cheese
      
      1. Repealing any taxes introduced via the TWG.
      2. Pulling NZ out of the UN migration compact.
      
      2 ticks National.
      
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      February 23, 2019 3:35pm
  - MickMac
    
    bullshit, I don’t believe it.
    National is just as bad as Labour.
    WFF never got rid of….
    
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    February 23, 2019 1:11pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Why do you keep sending messages to Simon Bridges fernglas? He has already stated unequivocally that National will reverse any capital gains tax applied by Labour.
  
  National leader Simon Bridges says the recommendations from the Government’s tax working group amount to an “assault on the Kiwi way of life”.
  
  Bridges pledged to fight it every step of the way, saying the proposed changes are motivated by “envy and ideology” rather than fairness. His party has promised to repeal any changes if elected in 2020.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/110764343/capital-gains-tax-an-assault-on-the-kiwi-way-of-life-says-simon-bridges
  
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  February 23, 2019 3:35pm
DigNap15

America Land of The Free – Not The Free Lunch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3MIs6b2uuo&t=0s&list=FLEkHRj4OI9sFWzxp9IaqkrQ&index=2

I really hope Trump does this
You should read all of the positive comments!
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February 23, 2019 8:11am
duggledog

I was listening to Kerre Woodham / McIvor? on Newstalk ZB Friday morning between 10.30 and 11.a.m. Her topic was CGT.

She described herself as being ‘totally impractical’ (after talking about a landlord who did a lot of his own repairs on his rentals)

And

‘Terrible with money’ (I think that was in response to investment)

Given Newstalk ZB’s self-described discerning audience, why would its management give such a high profile slot to a self-described impractical person who is not good with money?

I could see RNZ doing that, but Newstalk ZB? Seems odd.
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February 23, 2019 8:11am
- Morrissey
  
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  Given Newstalk ZB’s self-described discerning audience…
  
  ???????!!?!?!?!?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=871-3XMhtAk
  
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  February 23, 2019 8:26am
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Hey window licker, haven’t seen you for awhile, my bad.
    How are you going?
    Have you been taking the meds and are they working?
    
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    February 23, 2019 8:34am
    - Morrissey
      
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      If by “the meds”, you’re talking in code about your wife, then yes, I’m doing very well, thanks.
      
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      February 23, 2019 8:35am
      - Awww C-mon
        
        you mean my wife the psychiatric nurse, glad she is helping out window licker
        
        #owngoal #dumbass
        
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        February 23, 2019 8:48am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Disgusting little creep alert!
        
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        February 23, 2019 8:48am
      - Universal Smith
        
        How cute, he has convinced himself the nurse is his wife and the other staff at the facility are his family. And to think Simon wants to close the place down@!
        
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        February 23, 2019 9:56am
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Hey, the little girl is back! Mind your language in front of this one.
        
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        February 23, 2019 10:38am
      - softail 1450
        
        morronissey the reason you are finding Awww Cmons wife so accomodating morronissey is that you got his house mixed up with the dogs kennel again,you and septicboy should get together and discuss “animal husbandry” you are both absolute experts in the field ???.
        
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        February 23, 2019 11:57am
- DigNap15
  
  I wrote and told ZB that Kerree is nice, but a liteweight for the morning.
  They wrote back that every talkback host cannot suit everyone!’
  Typical
  I hope advertisers give them the message.
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:39am
  - tf78
    
    I had a bit of run in with Mark Dye when he was on with Kerre, he was going on about old white males phoning in . I replied by saying I’m sure your advertisers will be happy to hear that and that he has only 37 years worth of life’s lessons and he had a lot to learn. The little prick told me to change stations.
    
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    February 23, 2019 10:08am
    - peterwn
      
      “…. change stations”? That is as bad as a guy on TV years ago who said “Commercial break coming up – time to make a cup of tea”. I think he had an interview without coffee the next day.
      
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      February 23, 2019 4:16pm
Swifty

I saw very recently on Twitter Golriz saying it was wonderful that she was being compared to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

But then today I see this; Amazon is now not going to create a new HQ on Long Island so the $3Bn in tax rebates they would have received according to AOC ‘can now be spent by us on other things like subways’:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7LLAILaqYI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlWCOr3MVuU

Good grief. And this woman has an economics degree?

Yep, Golriz – you’re just like her.

The stupid, it hurts.
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February 23, 2019 8:18am
- Inandout
  
  Swifty, I believe our Dr Cullen also had an economics degree; say no more.
  
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  February 23, 2019 8:22am
  - Colinxy
    
    It’s in history.
    
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    February 23, 2019 8:29am
    - Harkman
      
      I think that Cullen’s doctorate in social history tried crediting British “government investment” for the industrial revolution. Talk was that if he submitted it as an economics doctorate it wouldn’t have passed for obvious reasons, the hypothesis.
      
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      February 23, 2019 8:53am
  - KevOB
    
    Dr Cullen is no economist, except of the jam-jar school*–he is a historian.
    
    *Not uncommon: Nixon had money in separate paper bags in his safe to pay off the individual shares due to the Watergate break-in team. A variant form of financial literacy.
    
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    February 23, 2019 8:35am
    - Colville
      
      Don’t knock the jam jar system.
      Half of this country could use that system to advantage.
      Take your pay in cash. Put it in the jar. Pay for things. When the jar is empty…….
      STOP SPENDING!
      
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      February 23, 2019 9:08am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Did something like that (plastic boxes) when I was a kid: comics, sweets etc. It’s a good little education method for *kiddies*.
        
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        February 23, 2019 10:07am
      - peterwn
        
        People usually had multiple jars eg power. telephone, rates, etc. On payday they would put an amount in each jar such that there would be sufficient for each purpose. Utility invoices were each 2 – 3 months while rates were paid annually. I don’t know how tax worked in pre PAYE days but people had to put aside enough to meet an annual tax bill.
        
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        February 23, 2019 8:30pm
- Woz
  
  She meant Subway lunches. For all the poor starving people who didn’t get jobs because that Amazon pulled its investment.
  
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  February 23, 2019 8:28am
- Morrissey
  
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  The popularity and the eloquence—that’s what hurts you, Swifty. Beautiful and intelligent young women are the dominant personalities in the progressive movements here and in the U.S.—and they’re so superior to their right wing “opponents” it’s embarrassing. And you know it.
  
  Did you see another of them, Ilhan Omar, confronting and humiliating that arch-criminal Elliott Abrams last week? Of course you did.
  
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  February 23, 2019 8:28am
  - Woz
    
    Oh, Morrissey. You need more coffee this morning. And maybe a trip to Specsavers. Then look up “eloquence” in the dictionary while watching AOC being interviewed on Youtube.
    
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    February 23, 2019 8:32am
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      Oh yes, “eloquence” means “to speak with an upper class Boston accent.”
      
      Sorry about that.
      
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      February 23, 2019 8:34am
      - Dany
        
        Calling brown people eloquent is a no-no, did you fail Oppression Olympics 101?
        
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        February 23, 2019 8:48am
  - Colinxy
    
    Alexandria Occasio-Cortez is intelligent? Wow, the bar is set very low. In your reality, are dogs super-geniuses too? How do blocks of wood rate on the intelligence meter?
    
    Still, it explains your devotion to Ardern, NZ’s dumbest prime minister.
    
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    February 23, 2019 8:34am
  - Swifty
    
    I agree, she’s popular in some quarters and speaks a lot – such a pity though that she regularly displays such unfortunate ignorance on economic matters and that she so frequently gets her facts so wrong – and on such important matters.
    
    I’m sure she means well – but she really needs to lift her game. She makes too many basic blunders to have any credibility in matters she claims expertise in.
    
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    February 23, 2019 8:38am
    - wreck1080
      
      Can you give an example where she claimed expertise in an area that she is not?
      
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      February 23, 2019 8:43am
      - Swifty
        
        I understand she claims to have an economics degree.
        
        She also frequently holds forth on economic matters in interviews and regularly makes assertions as statements of fact:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_TYZ6VRNNg&t=46s
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sMZNcxdoCA
        
        She doesn’t present as someone particularly credible when she makes such fundamental errors and so many.
        
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        February 23, 2019 8:54am
      - tf78
        
        Installing a new toilet. (Sorry referring to wrong airhead)
        
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        February 23, 2019 10:12am
      - wreck1080
        
        Oops, I was talking about Kerre Woodham .
        
        Somehow got the thread mixed up!
        
        Interestingly I still got some up ticks ha ha.
        
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        February 23, 2019 10:22am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Alexandria Occasio-Cortez impresses herself with the pearls of wisdom she gushes. O-C and Golly G could be twins! ?‍♀️
      ?
      
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      February 23, 2019 9:06am
    - toby1845
      
      Sorry, Swifty. Are you talking about JacinDuh?
      
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      February 23, 2019 10:15am
    - KevOB
      
      @Swifty
      Ardern has a “degree” in communications–talking from both sides of the mouth.
      
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      February 23, 2019 12:04pm
      - MickMac
        
        love it.
        must explain the propensity for lying
        
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        February 23, 2019 1:15pm
  - Swifty
    
    If you were AOC, Morrissey, what would you spend the $3Bn windfall on?
    
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    February 23, 2019 8:57am
    - dubya
      
      He’d burn every last cent on the glass barbeque.
      
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      February 23, 2019 9:07am
      - Swifty
        
        I’ve heard that glass coffee tables are more his thing – to lie under.
        
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        February 23, 2019 9:44am
  - dubya
    
    I didn’t see Ilhan Omar doing anything. That ridiculous sack she wears gets in the way.
    
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    February 23, 2019 9:05am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  At least she now acknowledges she acted for the defence as well as the prosecution… (well, I guess she kind of has to acknowledge that now!).
  
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  February 23, 2019 8:47am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  AOC really did think that the $3B was money now available for her socialist agenda. AOC, Golriz, Cullen and Ardern all came out of the same mould/mold
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:58am
- Tall Man
  
  Both of them are getting paid around the $170-180,000 mark so who’s the idiot?
  
  Unfortunately the joke is on us.
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:58am
- Fletch
  
  AOC recently compared the border wall Trump wants to build, to the Berlin Wall…. She truly is clueless…
  
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  February 23, 2019 12:06pm
Inandout

duggledog, Kerre is so lightweight she needs to be tethered to her studio desk. Being a socialist means she is full of ideas, but dizzy and short on practicality. I also despair at her placement in such an important time slot, but I guess this was a trade off for ZB promoting Leighton’s podcast.
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February 23, 2019 8:20am
- wreck1080
  
  I don’t listen to ZB since leighton left.
  
  Leighton was there for far too long, his stories were boring and predictable.
  
  Isn’t it amazing at how hard it is for a radio station to find someone with intelligence and charisma.
  
  Kerre will ruin ZB’s ratings for that timeslot. She is probably a nice enough person, but , I can’t take her seriously.
  
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  February 23, 2019 8:29am
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    She is probably a nice enough person…
    
    Really?
    
    https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/kerre-woodham-reacts-to-elderly-caller.html
    
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    February 23, 2019 8:51am
  - Inandout
    
    wreck, try Williams on the other radio station and Plunket in the avo.
    
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    February 23, 2019 9:06am
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      try Williams… and Plunket….
      
      ?????????
      
      https://i0.wp.com/bobcesca.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/cant-tell-if-serious.jpg
      
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      February 23, 2019 9:18am
    - DigNap15
      
      Yes I have and they are a lot better.
      We need to spread the word so that the ratings reflect that and ZB get the message.
      Hire intelligent right wing males!
      
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      February 23, 2019 9:42am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Unfortunately, you can only turn the radio off once. Mine is set on ZB, but the moment the left-wing nut jobs come on – I hit the kill switch.
        
        I do give a bit of credit though to Jack Tame. He is consistently, reliably wrong on every single issue. If I find myself unsure on any particular political stand-point I go find out what Jack thinks and instantly my position is crystalised – the diametric opposite of what that weasel says.
        
        This morning he laboured for ages making up some fairy story to show that a CGT was the “fair” thing to do (if you ignore everything else and look at it totally in isolation and ignore inflation, the cost of capital, the long-term aspect of property investment, the risk of tenants and burglaries, the cost of maintenance etc).
        
        And hey presto – by the time he’d finished talking my already firm view on the CGT had morphed into an understanding that it was a hate crime and the proponents of it were as morally and intellectually corrupted as Jessie Smollet.
        
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        February 23, 2019 3:22pm
Swifty

Again only this week we have had Cindy calling for people and companies ‘to pay their fair share’.

What is a fair share?

Now please look at Thomas ‘Badass’ Sowell’s response:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3vZ8_XCMfA

Kids. We’ve got kids in control.
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February 23, 2019 8:32am
- Bill felt
  
  Fair share is when we pay our 30% then gst then fuel tax then rates, then… and Cindy gives $3B to Shane Jones.
  
  It’s not the revenue side, it’s the spending stupid!
  
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  February 23, 2019 8:39am
- Woz
  
  That should be compulsory viewing in our universities. Once daily. Until they get it.
  
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  February 23, 2019 8:51am
holysheet

I was working on my roof when I decided to take a cig break. A tracksuit clad yuppie comes along and calls me down to tell me something. Begrudgingly, I climb down the ladder to see what he has to say.
He asks “Have you got a spare ciggie mate?”
I told him to follow me up to the roof. I climb up the ladder then he follows me up.
“No” I said.
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February 23, 2019 8:34am
MrTips

To all you woke and hip luvvies who think Cindy is amazeballs:

Cullen is a wanker. His group has recommended that the govt take 33% of your parents capital and also hit the rest with inheritance tax. Cindy agrees.

They don’t give a shit about you. They just want your ?. They want your inheritance in perpetuity and will shackle you more than that “horrible John Key” ever apparently did.

Welcome to the real Labour – screwing you over since whenever. Wake up knuckleheads.
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February 23, 2019 8:43am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Everything Labour does is about control and reducing freedom.
  
  Average Joe: Worked hard and made sensible decisions to give yourself some options when you retire?
  Labour: Fuck you! Here’s a CGT we’re taking your freedom and independence away.
  
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  February 23, 2019 3:25pm
Lee C

That’s a lotta lattes, kids.
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February 23, 2019 8:45am
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American Idiots
No. 3: WILLIAM HAPPER

“Demonization of CO2 and people like me who come to its defense is nothing to be proud of. It really differs little from the Nazi persecution of the Jews, the Soviet extermination of class enemies, or ISIL slaughter of infidels.”—William Happer, 2017

William Happer is a National Security Council senior director who has long claimed increasing the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will actually benefit humans. In a 2017 interview published in The Guardian, Happer said: “There’s a whole area of climate so-called science that is really more like a cult. It’s like Hare Krishna or something like that. They’re glassy-eyed and they chant.” Happer also has served on the board of the CO2 Coalition, which cites as its mission educating policy leaders and the public about “the important contribution made by carbon dioxide and fossil fuels.” He has also compared the fight against climate change to the Holocaust.

ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: You made a comment back in 2009 comparing climate change to the Holocaust. And my question is: Are you suggesting, when you made that comment, that climatologists and climate scientists are the equivalent of Hitler and Nazis? I mean, that’s what it seems like you were trying to say.
WILLIAM HAPPER: Yeah, you know, I get called a denier, and anyone who objects to all of the hype gets called a denier. That’s supposed to make me a Holocaust denier. You know, I’m getting tired of that. And the comment I made was, the demonization of carbon dioxide is just like the demonization of the poor Jews under Hitler. Carbon dioxide is actually a benefit to the world, and so were the Jews.

AMY GOODMAN: That’s William Happer, defending his statement that, quote, “The demonization of carbon dioxide is just like the demonization of the poor Jews under Hitler.” Dr. Happer also supports prohibiting federally funded scientists from communicating their findings to the public. ….

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/2/21/climate_denier_to_head_new_trump

https://qz.com/1556485/william-happer-trumps-climate-denying-advisors-zaniest-quotes/

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  Daisycutter Sports Inc. is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Breen Enterprises Ltd., purveyors of fuckwittery to the world.
  
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  February 23, 2019 8:51am
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    Read that depressing news about Hapless Happer, Cap’n. It will soon be obvious who is purveying fuckwittery to the world.
    
    Has Trump destroyed the notion of government rectitude and seriousness irreparably? Quite possibly. This bloke Happer makes even our own Kiwi version of science-denying lunacy, Jacqueline Rowarth, look like freaking Marie Curie.
    
    https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2017/12/was-max-ritchies-speech-dumbest-in.html
    
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    February 23, 2019 8:56am
    - dubya
      
      I wonder, has anyone here ever actually clicked on, let alone read one of Morrissey’s presumably incoherent diatribes that he link-whores here? I’d guess he has an even lower uptake rate than Hugh Pavletich.
      
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      February 23, 2019 9:18am
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        Yes of course they have, yabud. As you know perfectly well.
        
        Hugh’s posts are on a rather abstruse and difficult subject, and—in contrast to moi—he has an understandable distaste for grappling with morons, so of course he won’t garner as many votes as I do.
        
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        February 23, 2019 9:21am
      - lifesgood
        
        I love it when his comments get hidden and I can just add my down tick.
        
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        February 23, 2019 12:25pm
      - Monique Watson
        
        I have clicked and followed. Sometimes I clip my toenails too. About the same frequency.
        
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        February 23, 2019 12:51pm
      - toby1845
        
        Too much detail, Monique. He probably has a foot fetish.
        
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        February 23, 2019 8:01pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Emeritus Prof. Will Happer is the world’s expert on optical pumping…
      
      He’s also active in JASON… the Group of top US scientists that advise the US Goverment on defen(s)ce security.
      
      and it looks like he’s going to be advising Trump on whether or not ~~Global warming~~ Climate Change poses a significant security threat to the US.
      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-20/-climate-security-panel-may-give-white-house-skeptics-new-voice
      
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      February 23, 2019 9:36am
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One loon has downvoted this, I note. Time for your Flat Earth Society meeting, loon.

Off you go now.
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February 23, 2019 8:49am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Five now, soon to be many more. And loons they are not.
  Look in the mirror if you want to see a loon.
  
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  February 23, 2019 8:53am
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    And loons they are not.
    
    Really? So what do you think William Happer is, Cap’n?
    
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    February 23, 2019 8:57am
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    “Gone”
    
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    February 23, 2019 9:34am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Don’t get all bitter and twisted over down ticks window licker.
  Just ignore your haters and concentrate on you, on your well-being and health. That’s better.
  
  Now my little pony is showing on Nick-kids, go watch that instead.
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:02am
  - Morrissey
    
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    You mean… this?
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aimGZKdPbVw
    
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    February 23, 2019 9:26am
- Pateke
  
  I’m one of the downtickers Mossy. You are a self promoting vacuous troll who enjoys shit being kicked at you. Cease and desist with the smartass you drongo.
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:09am
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    Primo, Pateke! That was high quality dishing of the shit, man.
    
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    February 23, 2019 9:22am
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    Pateke, stop supporting Simon. 95% of people don’t like him. So you using your logic you are compelled to “Cease and desist with the smartass you drongo.”
    
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    February 23, 2019 9:59am
    - Surely Knott
      
      Everyday I like Simon more and more. Interesting that the popularity poll was done over the summer break with no political news ….and voila – Jacinda is popular. And then a week after the poll we see her actual true colours when her tax working group proposes the world’s biggest tax grab. Will be interesting to see the next poll. I predict it will be up. Because simon is not proposing a taxation scheme that is solely aimed at the productive sector. And people are actually waking up to what that will mean to NZ.
      
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      February 23, 2019 10:22am
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        I’m sure the Jack Tame “not out yet” set will make sure the questions suit JacinDuh’s narrative.
        
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        February 23, 2019 8:06pm
    - Tall Man
      
      100% on here don’t like you.
      
      I say 100% because I don’t regard you as a serious commenter, just a useless piece of turd like a couple of others who add nothing but useless childish soundbites, much like ardern the liar.
      
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      February 23, 2019 10:38am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        And there isn’t even an undermining campaign.
        
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        February 23, 2019 11:45am
    - Universal Smith
      
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      You 5% crack me up. Simon will go the way of the other Christian Conservatives, Colin Craig and Graham Capill.
      
      The people have spoken.
      
      God is not real.
      
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      February 23, 2019 11:49am
      - lifesgood
        
        US – prove it.
        
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        February 23, 2019 12:27pm
Harkman

Our borders are more open now under Winston than in any point in our history. This guy is a total fraud.
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February 23, 2019 8:57am
Maggy Wassilieff

Michael Cullen’s valedictory speech….2009
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10569505

Extraordinary how folks in Labour don’t know how to retire and stop bothering others.
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February 23, 2019 8:57am
- sooty
  
  Labour. It’s like they never left!
  Cullen, Clarke, Heather, Palmer.
  Do the present ones object?
  
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  February 23, 2019 11:55am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Do the present ones object?
    
    It does speak volumes how the young, hip, foward-thinking Labour MPs are so dependent upon the walking corpses from last century.
    
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    February 23, 2019 12:10pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Ardern: “It’s a generational change”. Someone forgot to tell Cullen, Clarke, Heather, Palmer. They have even brought back Spud Bolger. Winnie must be pleased he has others of his own age around.
      
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      February 23, 2019 1:32pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  They belabor us forever….
  
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  February 23, 2019 12:47pm
The only red for me is that of Manchester United

I downloaded yesterday’s interview with Guyon Esipner and Amy Adams. What a disgraceful interview it was. Guyon had no interest in discussing CGT with Amy. It was his opportunity to stick the knife into Amy for owning eight properties. You could hear the jealousy in his voice. The sneering little creep just wanted to out Amy for being rich. It was a nasty attack. Amy held her cool but politely should have shut him down. A new low for Guyon. I’ll be glad when he goes.
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February 23, 2019 8:58am
- freethinker
  
  Guyon doesn’t look well, gaunt and yellowish, I have grave fears for his longevity.
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:16am
  - toby1845
    
    So do i. (sarc…..)
    
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    February 23, 2019 10:20am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Down tick for the user name… otherwise a great comment….
  
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  February 23, 2019 12:03pm
- Kiwi Dave
  
  Agreed, but I do think Ms. Adams could have pointed out her superior competence in acquiring more properties than Helen Clark.
  
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  February 23, 2019 12:31pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Not eight properties. She said ‘we own six’. That’s not just her then but her and husband or even larger family trust.
  
  But yes, Guyon was just trying to make a point and that point is spread all over Twitter: CGT will nicely stick it to property owning Nats and nobody else…
  
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  February 23, 2019 12:50pm
Harkman

Check this job listing on Seek from Stats NZ, how racist is this?
https://www.seek.co.nz/job/38412571?searchrequesttoken=f1d44557-aa5c-475c-a2ef-454e38b9db96&type=standout

“This job is for the Māori Partnership & Design work stream—the workstream responsible for ensuring our Treaty Partners are in focus for the development of Indicators Aotearoa NZ, and to align the project and outputs with Te Ao Māori. Your role within the Māori Partnership & Design workstream will be to help us create those opportunities for partnership and reflection of Te Ao Māori, including collating insights from Iwi engagement, contributing Matauranga Māori throughout the IANZ project and deliverables, and preparation of analysis and insights for the Indicators Aotearoa NZ project.

You should apply for this role if you:

Have an interest and understanding of Te Ao Māori and working in Partnership with Māori
Have knowledge of the Treaty of Waitangi
Have interest in, or knowledge of Māori methodologies and Māori wellbeing frameworks
Love challenges and flourish under pressure
Can work at pace in a team and on your own
Have an interest in measuring New Zealand’s wellbeing.

What’s in it for you?

The opportunity to make a difference for our Treaty partners, and create a meaningful product to enhance Māori potential and Identity
The opportunity to be involved in a high-profile project
The chance to work with our Treaty partners”

Only under Labour.
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February 23, 2019 9:01am
- freethinker
  
  Another opportunity for National to demonstrate the abject incompetence of Stats NZ following on from the Census and immigration fiasco’s.
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:20am
- Woz
  
  What a load of gobbledygook. Only in the civil service.
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:43am
- DigNap15
  
  If I was a young white guy I’d apply for that job just to piss them off!
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:45am
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    Your application would go in the trash.
    
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    February 23, 2019 10:32am
    - sooty
      
      Hit’um with a racelist compliant.
      
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      February 23, 2019 11:57am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        It doesn’t work that way. Legal discrimination is allowed in this country. It’s a way of “righting the wrongs of the past,” regardless of the consequences for nation-building.
        
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        February 23, 2019 12:01pm
- MH
  
  by challenges does that mean a haka a day?
  Statistics , I can lie and recalibrate . yep I’ll give it a go.
  Article 1, verbatim.
  
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  February 23, 2019 1:10pm
- MickMac
  
  no also under National…..
  
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  February 23, 2019 1:20pm
RF

Why do Arderns minders persist on portraying her as a tough individual who handed the Aussie PM his arse concerning the Manus Island refugees.

What a joke…. your classic “mouse that roared.” A pathetic little girl.

Newstalk ZB midnight talkback was very interesting last night. I hope Ardern & Cullens ears were burning as they had very few supporters.
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February 23, 2019 9:02am
- DigNap15
  
  I hope you are correct!
  And that the next polls reflect that.
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:46am
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    Dig- the next poll will conveniently follow the announcement of all the goodies in the “wellness budget”.
    The wellness budget will be future funded by the CGT. – get it?
    Most of the people who are currently uncertain about the “fairness” of the CGT will be won over once they see the bribes on offer within this budget.
    Simple.
    
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    February 23, 2019 6:17pm
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  It’s easy to have a dig Scott Morrison when you doing a stand up press conference. Everyone in the room is one her side. However her body language was on of not really looking directly at Morrison when she said this. I’d say that It will be a different story behind doors. Morrison hasn’t got time for Manus or Arden the liar. It’s a bit low using the press conference to have a go at ScottMo.
  
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  February 23, 2019 10:28am
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    Did the aussie PM, come over to tell JacinDUH, he was closing the backdoor?
    
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    February 23, 2019 11:58am
    - MickMac
      
      Sooty
      The Australians should.
      
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      February 23, 2019 1:41pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    All that claptrap about “Aussie and NZ being family”. A squirrel to placate the gullible. ?
    
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    February 23, 2019 1:36pm
  - MickMac
    
    it’s always playing to the audience.
    Adhern is a Liar.
    
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    February 23, 2019 1:41pm
- Morrissey
  
  NewstalkZzzzzzB’s moronic hosts and their sad (and very few) listeners are representative of the brain-addled and bitter. Their votes are so few they’re worthless. ACT’s base, in other words.
  
  https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2019/01/newstalk-zb-continues-to-be-outlet-for.html
  
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  February 23, 2019 7:30pm
Monique Watson

Lizzie Marvelly writes with her vagina. A completely biased piece:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12205846

And it’s rubbish. Bridges has no reason to fear polls by the liberal tinfoil hat wearers.
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February 23, 2019 9:06am
- dubya
  
  If she’s writing with her vagina, her new girlfriend must have one hell of a large strap-on, because that opinion piece is a sloppy as fuck.
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:21am
- Morrissey
  
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  Careful, Monique, Cap’n Mainwaring’s up and about.
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:23am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Monique NO!, Vaginas are lovely things. Your comment implies something negative. Its the same problem I have when I call people like Cullen and Winston “Cunts”. People generally get the drift of my sentiment, but I really do agonise over this abuse of the word. However, I do get the intent of your statement, and agree whole heartedly.
  
  AXE THE TAX
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:49am
  - Woz
    
    Let me just state for the record that I love vaginas, a lot, but I hate cunts.
    
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    February 23, 2019 9:59am
  - MickMac
    
    Rightoverlabour, good point, I must reassess my use of the term.
    A warm wet one is delish.
    You are correct.
    
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    February 23, 2019 1:43pm
    - Monique Watson
      
      I’m partial to the word “vagina”. “Vag”, has its place in conversation as well. As does “Va Jay Jay”.
      
      Just saying. I think it was sexist. IMHO.
      
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      February 23, 2019 4:52pm
- Surely Knott
  
  ..and the Herald is grossly biased and doesn’t use the same tactics on leftist politicians. Name one other politician where they use a derogatory nickname in the Herald articles. In the above article they say “Will National unleash the Crusher” due to Simons poor poll. But surely the poll is old news and a deflection from the real news this week – CGT and the equivalent headline would be, “Will Taxcinda unleash the world’s highest CGT on hard working NZers?”
  
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  February 23, 2019 10:32am
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    Judith is about as unpopular as Simon. Both would lead National to a crushing defeat.
    
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    February 23, 2019 10:36am
    - Surely Knott
      
      Irrelevant and missed the point. The point is why do journalists feel it’s ok to use derogatory comments about strong women on the right and not women on the left. Crusher is a nickname based on a Collins policy just as Taxcinda is based on Taxcinda’s policy. The Herald is biased and should say “Taxcinda’s GST proposal” and have a picture of her. But they are biased and she is gutless, and hides behind working groups, obfuscation, and diversion.
      
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      February 23, 2019 10:42am
      - Universal Smith
        
        SK, I agree with you on that. I am no fan of journalists. It is a disgrace. I also acknowledge that if Bridges was treated more fairly in the media he would probably be around 20-30% as preferred PM.
        
        National won’t win on how the world ought to be. That approach will fail on contact with reality.
        
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        February 23, 2019 11:18am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’d like to see a poll being taken in the next week…
    
    Might be a few folks who are coming out of the undecided camp…
    
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    February 23, 2019 12:05pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      ‘I luuurve Jacinda, hey wait, what? I’d have to pay CGT on my organic lifestyle block?’
      
      Those ones?
      
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      February 23, 2019 1:01pm
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      Its a Working Group ….none of its is yet Government policy.. but look on the bright side, its golden opportunity for Bridges ‘likes’ to fall lower.
      
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      February 23, 2019 5:19pm
- KevOB
  
  The left are sorely bothered that a competent National Government is waiting to take over. Hate doesn’t make proper Government.
  
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  February 23, 2019 12:14pm
- PhilP
  
  Fuck me, I needed to puke after reading that from Dear Lizzie Monique. Give me f**king strength!!!
  
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  February 23, 2019 4:27pm
kowtow

There’s that diversity dividend , again. The UK.

“A 17-year-old boy has been sentenced to life in prison for the brutal hammer-attack murder and rape of 14-year-old Viktorija Sokolova.

Lithuanian-born Viktorija was brutally beaten, raped and dumped on a park bench in Wolverhampton during a frenzied attack last April.

The killer, who cannot be named for legal reasons but was born in Holland to parents from Iraq, denied any wrongdoing during the three week trial at Wolverhampton Crown Court.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6734551/Teenager-17-raped-murdered-14-year-old-Viktorija-Sokolova-jailed.html#comments
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February 23, 2019 9:07am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Were his parents first cousins, by any chance?
  
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  February 23, 2019 12:03pm
- MickMac
  
  Cull Him.
  
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  February 23, 2019 1:44pm
Swifty

That’s odd. Blacks and Hispanics, when polled, voted overwhelmingly in favour the Amazon deal which would have led to 25,000 new jobs and which would have averaged $150k annually.

AOC says Amazon’s deal to cancel the HQ move to Long Island is a ’cause for celebration’.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdfdugVPVYE

‘The Dems have formed a circular firing squad’ – I quite liked that quote.
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February 23, 2019 9:08am
- kowtow
  
  ‘Circular’ firing squad , PC for ‘Mexican’ firing squad .
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:15am
- holysheet
  
  like this?
  http://cutetropolis.com/wp-content/uploads/0c898b7969aa04b17e89a52ea1fc0109.jpg
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:32am
Woz

I said just the other day that the resident trolls work in relay. No sooner had Stephieboy been sent to the sin bin than ztev appeared out of exile, attempting to overwhelm the discourse by out-commenting the entire combined membership. He lasted all of five minutes before being disappeared, along with all his comments. Nek minnit – Morrissey, like the aggressive drunk in the pub, the red-faced little angry guy, strutting around and waving his puny fists about, sticking his face in yours and goading you, covering you in flecks of spittle, while everybody waits for his Mum to come and take him home.
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February 23, 2019 9:08am
- Swifty
  
  What happened to ztev?
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:14am
  - Woz
    
    He was ranting all over the GD yesterday, dozens of provocative comments, only a day or two after his six month ban ended. Later on his comments disappeared and he hasn’t turned up since. I assume DPF has sent him to the sin bin on Strike 9, a 12 month stretch.
    
    One can only wonder at the psychology behind the fevered, self-flagellating, masochistic minds of ztev and his pals here, who spend their entire lives trying to confront so many people who will simply never take them seriously. It’s some kind of obsessive compulsive disorder, obviously.
    
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    February 23, 2019 9:34am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      No, ZTEV is still on strike 8. Needs more work chaps.
      
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      February 23, 2019 9:51am
      - Woz
        
        So says the list. But he was just back from that, now he’s gone again, so I expect it to be updated with a Strike 9 very soon.
        
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        February 23, 2019 9:56am
      - Tall Man
        
        Where is the list to be found?
        
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        February 23, 2019 10:22am
      - holysheet
        
        Tall Man scroll down to the end
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy
        
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        February 23, 2019 11:14am
      - srylands
        
        No such luck. I don’t understand why DPF puts up with someone who sets out singlehandedly to wreck the place.
        
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        February 23, 2019 1:16pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      They do all of us a great service…
      
      They remind us daily of how nasty and twisted some folks are.
      
      It’s easy to think nice thoughts about our fellow human beings when we are surrounded by supportive family, friends and neighbours…
      
      Our trolls reveal that there is a nasty undercurrent in NZ… folks who keep nipping at our heels desperate to bring someone down so the rest of the pack can dig their claws and teeth into the felled prey.
      
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      February 23, 2019 9:54am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Yes Maggy, it is wise to understand your world and those who inhabit. Wish I’d been more aware in my younger years of those with an agenda.
        Now’t so odd as folk.
        
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        February 23, 2019 10:19am
      - Tall Man
        
        Unfortunately we have such a group occupyinng the Treasury benches.
        
        “Payback…2020”
        
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        February 23, 2019 10:27am
      - Universal Smith
        
        Mouse Parts, Got bad news for you about 202o unless National find a leader that people like.
        
        Simon is smug.
        
        He will never be PM.
        
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        February 23, 2019 10:32am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      It’s the “ztev effect”. The more shit this government is, the more he obfuscates and slanders trying to deflect what everyone can patently see.
      
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      February 23, 2019 11:21am
- Woz
  
  Downtick from Moz there I see. Good on ya Moz.
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:39am
- srylands
  
  Ztev is a different kind of troll. He says such stupid things with this aggressive certainty. He Googles some “fact”, misinterprets it and calls you an idiot if you call him out. For example, he asserts that the ban on gas exploration is economically beneficial to New Zealand. Which is clearly absurd. I’ve never seen anything like it. It is disturbing.
  
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  February 23, 2019 10:28am
  - Komata
    
    Re Ztev:
    
    Was it ever determined with certainty that that specific ‘nomdecomputer’ was directly connected to Trevor Mallard; at the time an ‘ordinary’ MP and now the current Speaker of the NZ Parliament?
    
    Ztev’s actions seemed to confirm the fact and I seem to recall that it was, but as it was a long time ago can’t find the appropriate posting.
    
    Can someone confirm this premise?
    
    Thanks.
    
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    February 23, 2019 5:31pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      My understanding is that it was confirmed the ZTEV was not Mallard. I think this came from DPF.
      In my opinion, ZTEV is a much lower, despicable form of life than Mallard. Morrisey is a moron, Stephiegoat is a twat, but ZTEV is a nasty, vindictive, spiteful individual. Bit like Stalin.
      
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      February 23, 2019 6:52pm
      - Komata
        
        RLO
        
        Thank you
        
        So Ztev was a ‘true believer’ then?
        
        He had all the hallmarks.
        
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        February 23, 2019 8:02pm
- lifesgood
  
  We have got an even more subversive troll in Universal Smith who pretends to be on the right but is doing his darndest to smear Bridges along with all the other desperate lefties
  
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  February 23, 2019 12:32pm
  - MickMac
    
    yes it is deliberate.
    
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    February 23, 2019 1:47pm
  - Universal Smith
    
    I must work on my pretending. I am actually on the left. No I do not support Labour, Greens, or Winston.
    
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    February 23, 2019 1:52pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Why don’t you go to another blog where your childish behaviour fits right in, perhaps the standard….
      
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      February 23, 2019 3:02pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        Simon is a liar.
        
        Fail in 2020
        
        Fact
        
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        February 23, 2019 3:06pm
      - Tall Man
        
        How about you list the lies.
        
        You won’t because you are nothing but a bullshitter yourself.
        
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        February 23, 2019 6:45pm
Chuck Bird

An excellent article. I am concerned about CGT. However, I am concerned more about justice. As Braunias points out how can we be sure of justice when a scumbag lawyer becomes a judge. Does he or she suddenly become honourable?

I am not talking about the judge, in this case, he did an excellent job. Hopefully, he does the same with the sentence.

I am talking about Justice Paul Davison. When he was a QC and prosecutor. He helped jail an innocent man.

I hope some read this article before they comment.

Steve Braunias: Justice for Susan Burdett – Malcolm Rewa’s last stand

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/02/general_debate_23_february_2019.html#comments
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February 23, 2019 9:15am
- Notsofast
  
  “Many of us wish to reserve a special place in Hell for defence lawyers who appear to manipulate the law to release murderers and rapists. Too few of us want a hotter circle of Hell set aside for prosecution lawyers who assist in obtaining convictions against innocent people accused of murder and rape.”
  
  writes Braunias.
  
  He will be thinking of Philip Morgan and Ben Van der Kolk amongst others also.
  
  There is a hotter hell again for appeal court judges who deliberately keep innocent people in jail and rise to higher levels.
  They will soon experience this heat.
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:45am
lastmanstanding

An open letter to the 20/30 yos in the MSM who are in KiwiSaver.
If as you should be you are in a Growth Fund and will stay there for most of the time until you retire consider this.

1. 80% of you funds are in shares NZ and offshore.
2. Historically shares have gained 4% to 5% over the past 70 plus years.
3. Growth funds tend to churn that is they buy and sell shares to get the capital gain rather than the dividend income.
4. You will pay CGT at your marginal rate which will probably be 33% at present and in the future.
5. My back of the envelope calculation is that you will lose somewhere between 25% and 30% in CGT over that time given the compounding nature if capital gains at 4% to 5% pa.
6. Enjoy voting for a diminished life style in your retirement.
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February 23, 2019 9:15am
- Ultima
  
  I don’t think the MSM knows how to calculate.
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:56am
  - sooty
    
    They would not know what an envelope was either!
    
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    February 23, 2019 12:02pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Excellent information, LMS. This is what Sorted.org needs to add to their site. *Before* the next election, so people can really compare.
  
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  February 23, 2019 1:09pm
- Piniwi
  
  @ lastmanstanding while many knew that the ultimate goal of Kiwisaver was anything but about savings when offered up by Cullen. Just another golden goose where members feed it to lay on demand for a future Labour administration. Lets not forget an earlier hint of it being used to support a possible sliding NZ$ which might yet happen.
  
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  February 24, 2019 12:30am
kowtow

Diversity dividend kick in the bum.

‘Cheshire Police found guilty of discrimination after rejecting white heterosexual man for job’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/22/police-force-guilty-discrimination-rejecting-white-heterosexual/
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February 23, 2019 9:16am
tedbear

Of course Peters will go for CGT. He’s lied about everything else.
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February 23, 2019 9:18am
- kowtow
  
  I reckon this is his get out of gaol card. He’ll reject it and become NZ’s saviour , again.
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:32am
  - DigNap15
    
    If Winston rejected it completely right now and said he would not vote for any of it none, No CGT at all.
    then I think he would rise up to 5 or 8% right now!
    
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    February 23, 2019 9:50am
    - tedbear
      
      NZ First doesn’t need to rise at all.
      Ardern will lower mmp threshhold to whatever level Peters desires.
      
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      February 23, 2019 10:12am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        I do not believe it can be done on a simple majority.
        
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        February 23, 2019 10:25am
Hugh Pavletich

… SYDNEY … AUSTRALIA …

Sydney house prices have highest discounts in a decade, new data shows … Kate Burke … Domain

https://www.domain.com.au/news/sydney-house-prices-have-highest-discounts-in-a-decade-803203/

Sydney home owners are slashing prices at a rate not seen in a decade amid ongoing gloomy predictions for the state of the housing market.

Across the city, the average discount on initial prices is 8.2 per cent, or $87,134, for houses and 8 per cent, or $56,160, for apartments.

House sellers have not discounted at this level since January 2009, while apartments have not had discounts like this since 2006. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Class action filed against Westpac could affect thousands of Australian home loans – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-21/westpac-faces-class-action-over-irresponsible-lending/10830792
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Google NZ Search – Westpac Class Action

https://www.google.co.nz/search?source=hp&ei=NBhuXMKvIaCcvQSq94WgBQ&q=westpac+class+action&btnK=Google+Search&oq=westpac+class+action&gs_l=psy-ab.3..
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… What lessons were learned from Ireland’s ’07 event ? … check background research …

Mortgage Measures | Central Bank of Ireland

https://www.centralbank.ie/financial-system/financial-stability/macro-prudential-policy/mortgage-measures
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February 23, 2019 9:20am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Property bust rattles Australia’s record-breaking economy … Tom Westbrook … Reuters
  
  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-property-investors-analysis/property-bust-rattles-australias-record-breaking-economy-idUSKCN1QA2YA
  
  SYDNEY (Reuters) – As property prices rocketed toward the heady peak of Sydney’s real-estate boom in 2017, the bulldozers came to Epping.
  
  Eucalypt-lined streets of red-brick bungalows in the middle-class suburb were snapped up at hefty premiums by developers, razed, and quickly remade as apartment blocks. …
  
  … concluding …
  
  … “We don’t think this year will be good, there’s no reason for it to be good,” Yap said. “There is a huge oversupply of apartments.”
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:50am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Note extensive comments on the MacroBusiness Au thread …
    
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/02/weekend-reading-23-24-february-2019/#comment-3297057
    
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    February 23, 2019 7:44pm
lastmanstanding

BTW can anyone explain why Horis will only pay 17.5% CGT not 33% and why this is not racial discrimination as outlawed by the Human Rights Act and the UN?
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February 23, 2019 9:28am
- waikatogirl
  
  Good luck complaining to the UN!
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:47am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Do you mean Maori?
  
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  February 23, 2019 12:09pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    No, all the rest of us who look like paying 33% while Maori get charged 17.5% purely on race. I’m sure the UN would find that a disgrace. //sarc
    
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    February 23, 2019 1:42pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      My objection was to the term Horis, no need for that and ruins the argument.
      
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      February 23, 2019 9:27pm
- KevOB
  
  We will have to wait for the legislation. The Maori authorities at present have that 17.5% imputation rate as it was believed to match better the tax rate of their members.
  
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  February 23, 2019 12:23pm
Swifty

Morrissey has asked today about Ilhan Omar.

I wouldn’t have a clue as to the answer to his quuestion, but I did come across this:

https://alphanewsmn.com/new-evidence-supports-claims-that-ilhan-omar-married-her-brother/

Gee, what are the odds of that – marrying someone with the exact same name and birthdate as your own brother!

Alhamdulillah!
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February 23, 2019 9:37am
- JibberJabber
  
  Heh, the Islamic penchant for incest makes the Appalachians look like a DNA diverse Utopia.
  Dueling a cappella anyone? Given like everything else in Islam, musical instruments are Haram.
  
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  February 23, 2019 9:51am
  - kowtow
    
    Why do we constantly use the Hollywood trope about the Appalachians , any visit to a Pak N Save anywhere in NZ should disabuse one of ideas that we’re so damn superior .
    
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    February 23, 2019 9:54am
    - JibberJabber
      
      OK then, how about the Colt family, feel better now?
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12124341
      
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      February 23, 2019 10:00am
      - Tall Man
        
        The “Colt” name was a pseudonym to protect the child..
        
        I think there a couple of looney posters on here may well be related.
        
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        February 23, 2019 10:18am
      - dubya
        
        Nice that NZ Herald put that article in the ‘lifestyle’ section! Maybe in Gore or Featherston…
        
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        February 23, 2019 10:22am
slightlyrighty

With the exception of the minority opinion, the Entire Tax Working Group report can be regarded as a socialist Wet Dream. It’s punitive nature against those who work hard to raise the value of an asset is obvious, especially when it comes to recommendations over large homes and lifestyle blocks.

Here’s a question. Rates are an expense burdened by property owners, or a cast incurred. If a CGT is implemented, will the total rates paid over the life of the asset be able to be claimed back against Capital Gains?
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February 23, 2019 9:43am
- Tall Man
  
  Not just rates. On a rural block part of the value, if not a producing unit, involves fencing, retaining, water sources, sewage systems and landscaping. Are the costs of those deductible?
  
  As they are not “structures” can oftem be viewed as part of the land.
  
  Perhaps lifestyle block owners need to register the value of the land and then lease it back at a peppercorn rate from the trust but own the “improvements” which can be deprecisted annually.
  
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  February 23, 2019 10:04am
- Ultima
  
  Its a dogs breakfast. How can they say its designed to encourage investments into productive sectors when those sectors are going to be hit by the CGT? Taxing lifestyle properties will be a mess.
  
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  February 23, 2019 10:06am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Then let us subdivide our lifestyle properties to under an acre . The lifestyle property cgt rule in Australia is 5 acres not 1. 1 Acre is too small.
    
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    February 23, 2019 10:25am
    - Tall Man
      
      Many cannot be subdivided, depending on council regs. If you did subdivide, you would then own a section so would face cgt on that.
      
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      February 23, 2019 10:44am
DigNap15

The CGT would be such a can of worms.
The only winners would be lawyers and accountants.
(And the Neets)
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February 23, 2019 9:52am
Universal Smith

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
I see he is back at it again today, getting all angry and flying into misogynistic rages at females.

It is not the ladies fault his hero Simon is disliked by 95% of voters.

Awww C-mon
fuck off ya little bitch.
FEBRUARY 22, 2019 6:18PM
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February 23, 2019 9:54am
- Tall Man
  
  Please explain exactly what use you are to humanity.
  
  You are putting words into peoples mouth in an attempt to smear Simon Bridges.
  
  We know you are a troll but what use are you to humanity? Do you really get aroused when people tell you to fuck off?
  
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  February 23, 2019 10:01am
  - stigie
    
    Simon Bridges is a threat TM, nothing more, nothing less !~
    
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    February 23, 2019 10:04am
    - Universal Smith
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Simon is indeed a threat. To the National party and to maintaining a viable opposition. Such an unpopular leader is ensuring another term for Ardern.
      
      Simon will never be PM.
      
      God is not real.
      
      Fact.
      
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      February 23, 2019 10:09am
      - Tall Man
        
        You neglected one very important fact, you are a dimwitted idiot.
        
        Remember, as long as the nasty vindictive slime that we call wynston the thief is alive, ardern the liar will never be in charge
        
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        February 23, 2019 10:14am
      - lifesgood
        
        Prove God is not real. You show your idiocy by stating “fact”
        
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        February 23, 2019 12:35pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Exactly.
      
      Another stellar performance from him and his team this week which must grate with these loser interns we have to suffer on this blog.
      
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      February 23, 2019 10:13am
      - Universal Smith
        
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        “stellar performance” LOL 🙂
        
        A new political poll has brought more bad news for National leader Simon Bridges, showing the party down four points to 42% and his personal polling also down a point to just 6%.
        
        That means National, while still in the 40s, is trailing Labour which is up two points to 45%, according to the latest 1 NEWS Colmar Brunton poll.
        
        Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has jumped five points to 44% support as preferred prime minister in the poll, which was taken between February 9 and 13.
        
        https://www.odt.co.nz/news/politics/new-political-poll-brings-more-bad-news-nat-leader
        
        If this is a “stellar performance” then what does a miserable failure look like?
        
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        February 23, 2019 10:28am
      - Tall Man
        
        “What does a miserable failure look like”….
        
        Got a mirror?
        
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        February 23, 2019 10:42am
      - Universal Smith
        
        Failure 2020 – how will you cope?
        
        Luckily you freaks only make up around 5% of voters. Though some polls suggest Simon’s approval has increased 20% to 6%
        
        LOL 🙂
        
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        February 23, 2019 10:48am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Hey US: sensible people vote for the party with the best policies.
        
        Anyway, if you’re so obsessed with politicians’ charisma: Taxinda is losing more of her shine every day – really looking worn and grumpy.
        
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        February 23, 2019 1:17pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        “Hey US: sensible people vote for the party with the best policies.”
        
        Yes they do. Yet look at who our government is!
        
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        February 23, 2019 1:54pm
      - stigie
        
        “Yet look at who our government is!”
        
        Parasitic fuckwits of the highest order !~
        
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        February 23, 2019 2:04pm
    - Happychappy
      
      stigie @ Universal Smith alias Realityczeck did the same to Bill English, the guys a nutter and tries to demean Simon ability in the same context as the media.
      
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      February 23, 2019 12:07pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Must get excited a lot then. lol
    
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    February 23, 2019 12:18pm
- softail 1450
  
  universal smith ,did he hurt your feelings didums ?
  23/2/19 ,10.06 am , FUCK OFF IDIOT.
  
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  February 23, 2019 10:07am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Is Universal Smith really Cameron Slater?
    
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    February 23, 2019 10:42am
    - Universal Smith
      
      Is Tall Man really Simon Bridges?
      
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      February 23, 2019 10:49am
      - Tall Man
        
        Could be, I’m squashing you like the bug you are as Simon is doing to ardern the liar.
        
        Off for a swim so go do what you normally do after posting drivel…play with yourself.
        
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        February 23, 2019 10:56am
    - DigNap15
      
      No I’m Universal Smith!
      
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      February 23, 2019 11:44am
    - DigNap15
      
      Sorry I Reported Universal Smith in error.
      
      I always get caught by Reply and Report.
      
      Sorry. how can I or shoudl I advise DF or the mod that I did not mean to report his post.
      I don’t agree with it, but it is free speech.
      
      It really needs an “Are You Sure You Want To Report this post?” dialog box.
      
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      February 23, 2019 11:48am
      - Monique Watson
        
        I reported his last Twottard comment. That wasn’t free speech. It was outright abuse and outrageous trolling. From a New Zealand Last supporter.
        
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        February 23, 2019 12:59pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        Reporting facts?
        
        I am sure DPF will be right on to that Monique.
        
        Simon will never be PM.
        
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        February 23, 2019 2:54pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Why wouldn’t you report it? Let alone apologise?
        
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        February 23, 2019 9:22pm
    - lifesgood
      
      I wondered that too.
      
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      February 23, 2019 12:36pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Sorry I missed this little lady, did you enjoy watching high school musical with your lunch?
  
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  February 23, 2019 2:51pm
DigNap15

Tamati Coffee is expecting a baby!
I really feel sorry for that baby that will be brought up by two ….. (fill in the gaps)
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February 23, 2019 10:16am
- Maggie Pie
  
  my partner reckins it will probaly be a cheeky little shit 🙂
  
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  February 23, 2019 10:23am
- softail 1450
  
  DigNap15, Its a fucking modern day miracle is what it is ,someone should alert the Pope and he may send out one of his Cardinals to examine the situation .
  What a surprise when the Cardinal finds what he actually needs for the situation is a fucking Exorcist.
  
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  February 23, 2019 10:27am
  - kowtow
    
    Being a North Island birth the real problem will be finding three wise men……
    
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    February 23, 2019 11:16am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Could always substitute women.
      
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      February 23, 2019 9:19pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Is that an especial type of exorcist?
    
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    February 23, 2019 9:20pm
secondcumming

Junior School Samoan Rugby Coach: “Come here boy”

9 y-o aspiring All Black: “Yes sir?”

Junior School Samoan Rugby Coach: “Blow down this boy, I think it’s blocked”
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February 23, 2019 10:18am
- softail 1450
  
  secondcumming ,LOL. I remember Willie Jackson stating that pedophiles were exclusively pakeha .?
  
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  February 23, 2019 10:21am
  - secondcumming
    
    Got 22 years……the judge must have been having a bad day. Long may it last 😎
    
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    February 23, 2019 10:26am
    - cmm
      
      THose are 22 sentence years, not calendar years.
      He’ll be out before his victim’s 21st.
      
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      February 23, 2019 11:29am
mandk

Yesterday I watched a video in which Alan Dershowitz, noted civil libertarian, suggested that people who make false accusations against others should be sentenced using the old biblical standard: they should receive the same sentence the other party would have received, if the accusation was true.

Dershowitz was referring to the Jussie Smollett case, but my mind turned immediately to that poor young man in Blenheim who was falsely accused of rape. The young man in question must have suffered dreadfully, but his accuser was convicted and discharged.

Justice?
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February 23, 2019 10:22am
- Rachael Membery
  
  No, and not a deterrent either.
  
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  February 23, 2019 12:21pm
- MickMac
  
  mandk no, she should have gone to jail.
  
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  February 23, 2019 2:24pm
- Morrissey
  
  …Alan Dershowitz, noted civil libertarian…
  
  ??????????
  
  https://i0.wp.com/bobcesca.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/cant-tell-if-serious.jpg
  
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  February 23, 2019 8:16pm
Ross12

Interesting headline and article on W/o this morning :

“https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2019/02/jacinda-the-5th-highest-paid-premier-in-the-oecd/#more-449176”

How does that fit in with the fairness, equity, gender pay gap etc. etc. song sheet ?
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February 23, 2019 10:22am
Chuck Bird

I see the DOW is up over 26,000. First time for a while.
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February 23, 2019 10:26am
- softail 1450
  
  Chuck Bird ,its faultering a little Chuck I will be surprised if it makes 27 k …
  
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  February 23, 2019 10:31am
  - KevOB
    
    The DOW can go anywhere with a FED out control. Savers can’t be held back for ever and value ignored. It seems an actual recession is underway and that will percolate through the global economy.
    
    The present financial engineering in high places is making a new class of barons and the rest into peasants.
    The delayed corrective GFC will be accordingly worsened. Guard your gains and liquidity. NZ is going to need the best to steer us in the future.
    
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    February 23, 2019 12:39pm
Maggy Wassilieff

You don’t come late to Committee meetings in the Japanese Parliament

Japan’s Yoshitaka Sakurada apologises for being three minutes late
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47328512
Opposition MPs said his tardiness showed disrespect for his office and boycotted a meeting of the budget committee for five hours in protest.

It’s a wonder he didn’t send one of minions to stand in for him.
Mr Sakurada, who is also the cyber-security minister, said he had never used a computer, adding he had always delegated the work to his subordinates.
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February 23, 2019 10:31am
- lifesgood
  
  You should see the profound apologies from guards on Japanese trains if they are even a minute late. In NZ – we’ll come when we’re ready and you can just suck it up.
  
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  February 23, 2019 12:38pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    This how it’s done, boys…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LmdUz3rOQU
    
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    February 23, 2019 8:02pm
dog_eat_dog

Jame Tame has declared a Capital Gains Tax is fair.

I expect noted tax expert Jesse Mulligan will do the same soon enough.

But isn’t it funny how the people who wrote the dissenting report saying it was a bugger’s muddle have the most experience with tax administration, law and business concerns?

Too bad they weren’t credible like journalists with barrows to push, or else someone might have listened to them.
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February 23, 2019 11:07am
- cmm
  
  It is fair.
  
  Also Cullen was right to not introduce it on his watch. Now square that circle!
  
  Naah, Cullen never did it on his watch because it is political suicide and he wanted to hang in long enough to get the Sir and set up for life!
  
  Nothing says equality like Sir and getting a cabinet minister’s pension!
  
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  February 23, 2019 11:26am
- JibberJabber
  
  Jack “Why I think a capital gains tax is ‘fair'” Tame, is a lickspittle Labour party media drone and a cheerleader for everything Taxcinderella tells him to be.
  I doubt he`s had an original thought in his life.
  
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  February 23, 2019 11:42am
  - fernglas
    
    Tame said it would be fair provided it included everything, without exemptions. That may be wrong but it is fairer than what the TWG was able to recommend because of the political decision to exempt the home
    
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    February 23, 2019 12:03pm
    - KevOB
      
      What about lottery wins?
      
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      February 23, 2019 12:40pm
- Swifty
  
  Yes, he claims it to be ‘fair’ but then goes in to only use housing as an example.
  
  He doesn’t even try to explain the ‘fairness’ of CGT of KiwiSaver, businesses including farms etc etc etc.
  
  A lightweight article that doesn’t inform anyone.
  
  He should stick to doing celebrity interviews or whatever else it is he does.
  
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  February 23, 2019 12:12pm
  - geoff3012
    
    Well, at least he’s sticking to what he is.
    
    Fucking fuckwitted dickhead.
    
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    February 23, 2019 1:51pm
- RF
  
  Tame & Mulligan are snivelling little left wing pricks.
  
  In their eyes Ardern can do no wrong…..
  
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  February 23, 2019 10:46pm
Maggie Pie

Is this the BEST NEWS of the day? I dare not say here what my partner would like to do with these pieces of excretia.

https://twitter.com/1NewsNZ/status/1099022260378120193
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February 23, 2019 11:17am
- waikatogirl
  
  Hard to hide that level of psychopathy for very long. Someone who knows will have dobbed them into the police.
  
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  February 23, 2019 1:53pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes, you are sooo right there WG, total psycopaths!
    My partner said he would take great plesure in flaying them alive.
    
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    February 23, 2019 2:21pm
Fletch

Yet another Democrat-controlled state, this time Vermont, passes a bill allowing abortion up to any age. These people aren’t even trying to hide it now under soft rhetoric. They are in favour of infanticide. The legislation is now headed to the state senate, where Democrats have a supermajority

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/vermont-house-passes-bill-legalizing-all-abortion/
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February 23, 2019 11:33am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Oh bullshit. No Dr and no woman want late-term abortions except to save a woman’s life. They are dangerous and physically and emotionally painful. No Dr would even perform one unless absolutely necessary.
  
  And about early-term abortions: GOOD. Don’t have children if you’re not financially and emotionally ready to support them!
  
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  February 23, 2019 11:38am
  - mandk
    
    There is absolutely no difference between killing a baby early term and killing a baby late term.
    
    It’s still killing a human being.
    
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    February 23, 2019 11:41am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      OK Mandk, pay for their upbringing then, if mothers are unable/unwilling.
      
      And fathers too, I should add!
      
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      February 23, 2019 11:43am
      - mandk
        
        Stupid argument.
        
        You are reducing morals to money.
        
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        February 23, 2019 11:52am
      - kowtow
        
        If expenses is the issue that governs existence then anyone who is not financially independant can be liable to execution . Plenty of old folk for starters , other beneficiaries, the disabled ……..
        
        sounds more like national socialism than classical liberalism.
        
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        February 23, 2019 1:12pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        I don’t consider a small foetus a human being. Can’t be bothered with the endless debates on that.
        
        If you and Mandk do think it’s a human being, then go ahead and fund it.
        
        If a small foetus could be transplanted to one of the many women who can’t have children, that would be better than abortion – everyone would be happy. But it can’t be done.
        
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        February 23, 2019 1:26pm
      - mandk
        
        It’s not a question of thinking it’s a human being, it is indisputably a human being.
        
        It is human and it has a life.
        
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        February 23, 2019 2:20pm
  - softail 1450
    
    CL ,full term after birth abortions are what some states are seeking ,the baby can be born ,made comfortable, and wait to see if the mother and doctors will murder it,,,,,,,,thats a fact .
    
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    February 23, 2019 12:06pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      That’s infanticide!
      
      With the availability of contraception and early-term abortions, why would any woman choose such a path?
      Where is the father?
      
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      February 23, 2019 12:12pm
      - softail 1450
        
        Odakyu-sen, Im not anti abortion but you are right its murder, this is how far things have gone in the US when a born baby can be murdered if the loving mum and the specialist say so ,WTF .
        
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        February 23, 2019 12:33pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Spite, mental health, but really there are adoptive parents available.
        
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        February 23, 2019 8:48pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      softail, please prove that. It sounds extremely unlikely to be true.
      
      Of course *after birth* would be murder, no argument there.
      
      Do you mean babies who are so early and sick that the parents have to decide whether to keep them going on machines for the rest of their lives? Parents going through that suffer horribly.
      
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      February 23, 2019 1:29pm
    - Universal Smith
      
      full term after birth abortions a,,,,,,,thats a fact
      
      Please provide the biblical reference for that “fact” as I am unable to find it in the legislation.
      
      Thanks in advance.
      
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      February 23, 2019 2:01pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        Satanists say rules in Missouri’s strict abortion law violate their religious beliefs
        
        The Satanic Temple is suing the state of Missouri, claiming its tough abortion law violates the group’s religious beliefs.
        
        Missouri mandates a 72-hour waiting period for women seeking abortion, and requires they be given booklets saying that human life begins at conception.
        
        The Satanic Temple wants people to be able to claim exemptions from the law’s requirements when their religious principles conflict with the rules.
        
        https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/25/satanists-say-missouris-abortion-law-violates-their-religious-beliefs.html
        
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        February 23, 2019 2:07pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Surely that would be mis-described as abortion, or at least how most would understand the term, I would term it murder.
        
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        February 23, 2019 8:44pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Euthanise? healthy?
      
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      February 23, 2019 8:49pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Financial is sorted and shouldn’t be the issue, emotional, it is very, what crime do you have to commit to have an 18 year sentence?, if not life? It is hard work, if you do a decent job, no days off or holiday pay.
    I certainly had a rosy view at 17 of what motherhood would be like. Fail.
    
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    February 23, 2019 8:56pm
Chuck Bird

I believe NZ allows late-term abortions late term abortions to save a woman life. However, they would extremely rare. NZ basically allows early abortion on demand. Sure they need a second referral.

Now Cindy wants no restriction including late-term abortions. The only thing she may not be pushing for is to kill the baby after birth or let it die if that is what the mother wishes.

What a way to spend her political capitol.
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February 23, 2019 12:29pm
- kowtow
  
  Left wing feminists are into infanticide. odd though as it doesn’t fit the never ending , “think of the children” theme she constantly promotes .
  
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  February 23, 2019 1:03pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  @chuck bird.
  Im fairly new at commenting here, but are you just another of those silly old male coots that wants to deny a womens right to choose?
  
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  February 23, 2019 2:30pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Maggie, it depends. I certainly do not support late-term abortions unless to save the life of the mother.
    
    Do you support late-term abortions with no questions asked?
    
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    February 23, 2019 3:31pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Absolutely! A girl I was at boarding school with was gang raped at a mob party and kept the fact she was preggers from people until about the 8 month stage. Fortunately her parents were able to secure a late term abortion for her. What if that was your daughter chuckie?
      
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      February 23, 2019 3:57pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        If the parents had of done their job in the first place she would not have been at a mob party.
        
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        February 23, 2019 4:11pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        So you think if a woman has a big argument with her husband she should be able to demand an abortion at 8 months? Are you that sick Maggie?
        
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        February 23, 2019 4:15pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Hey Maggie, will you vote for Cindy? I doubt if any National MPs will vote for late-term abortion on demand.
        
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        February 23, 2019 4:27pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        “If the parents had of done their job in the first place she would not have been at a mob party”
        
        That’s a bit shite Chuckles.
        
        A young girl at boarding school, makes a mistake and goes to a party. She doesn’t end up gang taped by a bunch of dog-worshipping arseholes and deserve blame, not do her parents.
        
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        February 23, 2019 4:29pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Awww C-mon, it is not as shite as supporting an abortion at 8 months. Do you agree with Maggie?
        
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        February 23, 2019 4:46pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        You didn’t answer my first question Chucky. What if it was your 16 yo daughter?
        Given the circumstances, youd be happy to have an unwanted half cast bastard of unknown paternity as a grason would you??
        
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        February 23, 2019 5:23pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        I don’t have to play better or worse mate. Your comment is shite.
        
        I don’t have a womb, I don’t have an opinion on abortion. If I was in the position Maggie described I would love my daughter. That’s all. and perhaps buy a big fucking gun
        
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        February 23, 2019 5:56pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Maggie, that sounds awful, from all aspects. But if it was my daughter, I would think that just one more month pregnancy, birth and adoption would be the better solution.
        
        I am totally for a woman’s right to choose, but how is an 8 month abortion any better, physically or emotionally, than going through with birth (even caesearian) and knowing that the kid has the best chance with a loving family?
        
        Since the poor girl kept it secret so long, did she come from a fairly religious background and would have been better off in the long term with adoption?
        
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        February 23, 2019 6:09pm
      - nasska
        
        You’ll realise soon the futility of trying to get through to the religious/conservative troglodytes who comment on this forum Maggie. As far as they are concerned a woman’s body doesn’t belong to her & is only a receptacle for sperm & a growing chamber that produces fuck toys for priests.
        
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        February 23, 2019 6:16pm
      - MT_Tinman
        
        No real problem Maggie.
        
        As soon as the bastard has life as we know it the godbotherers are happy to kill it.
        
        It’s only prior to birth that it’s sacrosanct.
        
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        February 23, 2019 7:08pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Maggie, you are not only an evil person who it is okay to kill a baby in the womb that could survive outside the womb but you are a racist.
        
        My adult daughter is mixed race and neither you or Awww C-mon would make a racist comment to her face or she would spit her your face. Neither of you would do anything.
        
        Anonymous types on the internet are almost always cowards in real life.
        
        I use my real name and am easy to find. I am old but I have friends in real life.
        
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        February 23, 2019 8:06pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Giving birth to an 8 month old foetus or a full term would be little different, ask any woman that has had a still born and still has to go through the birth process, any psychological damage regarding the conception, had already been done to the girl, killing the, what is by then a, baby would not improve that in my opinion as it is by then a tangible.
        
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        February 23, 2019 8:29pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Fuck you chuck bird. I said nothing racist. I have reported that comment which is way worse than the smart arse ribbing I have you that sent you off crying to DPF like a baby.
        
        Several times you’ve made comments saying I wouldn’t do this or say that in front of people, you’ve got no fucking idea and need to pull your damn head in.
        Calling Maggie a murderer is just vile, I hope tomorrow when you sober up you fucking apologise to her.
        
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        February 23, 2019 8:58pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      There is no excuse for it to be late term unless there were exceptional circumstances.
      
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      February 23, 2019 8:37pm
  - big bruv
    
    Maggie
    
    At Eight, or Nine months it’s not an abortion, its murder.
    IMHO there should be abortion on demand for the first 90 days, after that there would have to be a bloody good (genuine) reason. At eight, or nine months it should be near on impossible to obtain an abortion.
    
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    February 23, 2019 4:23pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      You sound like another religious male nutter that stands outside legal abortion clinics waving a cardboard sign nailed to a steak. Get a life.
      
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      February 23, 2019 5:25pm
      - lifesgood
        
        I am shocked by Maggie Pie’s attitude. What a ridiculous scenario she is creating. If the girl has carried the child for 8 months why not carry it for another month and allow it life. A late abortion is like giving birth only worse. It is murder. Dress it up all you like, Maggie, it is murder.
        
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        February 23, 2019 5:39pm
      - secondcumming
        
        Given the scenario outlined by MaggiePie in her comment outlining the *original circumstances*….I’d have been happy to run with it at 10 months.
        
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        February 23, 2019 6:00pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Stake, surely?
        
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        February 23, 2019 8:18pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Absolutely once the foetus is capable if independent life, which is getting very convoluted, very capable at 8 months, some at 5 I think.
      
      Parasitic little things but can be tenacious.
      
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      February 23, 2019 8:22pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Doesn’t it take two? I think that is ridiculous and offensive.
    
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    February 23, 2019 8:40pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    I am one of those silly old male coots that doesn’t like denying babies the right to live. Its a sort of humanitarian thing, you know. The sort of thing that allowed you to live and grow up to promote infanticide. Sad, really.
    
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    February 23, 2019 9:41pm
Jack5

Rodney Hide’s name pops up deep in a report about controversial property developer Dave Henderson. (Last paragraph.)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110761970/valley-of-the-vines-water-battle-win-for-henderson-interests
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February 23, 2019 12:37pm
- secondcumming
  
  Rodney has backed Hendo through thick and thin over the years…..the sort of friend you need when the going gets tuff. Personally I really admire the bloke. Good on him.
  
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  February 23, 2019 2:40pm
tedbear

CB “I do not believe it can be done on a simple majority”

Then we’ll just change the rules so it can.
Easy peasy.
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February 23, 2019 1:04pm
Universal Smith

Simon says:

• Be smug
• Believe in God
• Lose in 2020
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February 23, 2019 1:55pm
- mandk
  
  There’s no one more smug than a socialist who thinks they have a monopoly on compassion, when in fact socialism is harmful to the very people it purports to help.
  
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  February 23, 2019 2:23pm
  - Universal Smith
    
    I agree. Not sure why you felt the need to say that.
    
    Maybe you are one of those tragically simple minded sheep who think the choices we have are the only options. Either National or Labour?
    
    Or maybe you think not lying about the poll results means I simply must support Labour?
    
    I actually have no idea who I support now. I just know what I don’t support.
    
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    February 23, 2019 2:33pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Have principles and stand by them? Foreign?
  
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  February 23, 2019 8:15pm
Inandout

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/110802751/meth-dealer-lets-woman-use-his-house-to-deal-the-drug

Naughty boy with a history of drug dealing, and on home d he will still have visitors.
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February 23, 2019 2:12pm
- Universal Smith
  
  Another friend of Jacinda ?
  
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  February 23, 2019 2:30pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Another bunch of hypocritical do gooders
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/world/human-rights-group-apologises-bullying
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February 23, 2019 2:35pm
- Inandout
  
  Look at the eyes on that Amnesty guy; dead.
  
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  February 23, 2019 2:37pm
- Universal Smith
  
  Those ones on the soap boxes are rarely what they seem.
  
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  February 23, 2019 3:00pm
Chuck Bird

This is interesting. I would like to know if Borrows thinks the appropriate sentence now is LWOP?

It is not an either or thing. He is arguing that the SST is wrong in arguing for every murderer get LWOP. The SST is wrong with this position.

However, Borrows has not made one suggestion to reduce the chance of this happening again.

Chester Borrows: Parole ban not the answer

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=12206562
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February 23, 2019 2:40pm
Harriet

LWOP and related matters are being used to take your mind off being the victim of another crime, namely extortion, a CGT. It’s to weaken your resolve.

Don’t fall for it — hold prisoners hostage and demand that they suffer further also. Stand against both threats. 😎
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February 23, 2019 3:03pm
Swifty

Anyone for tennis?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/110383886/grinning-and-baring-it-at-the-nelson-sun-club

Stigie, Stigie?
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February 23, 2019 4:53pm
- nasska
  
  The article gives a clue Swifty:
  
  …..”A male club member walks past sporting a discreet tattoo of a silver fern on one buttock”……
  
  I’ll leave it to you to make discreet enquiries of what stigie might have tattooed on his arse. 🙂
  
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  February 23, 2019 5:30pm
  - stigie
    
    I take full responsibility of the social harm that i may have caused Nasska !~
    
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    February 23, 2019 5:39pm
- stigie
  
  Anything goes here in Nelson Swifty from old farts getting their gear off to the Greens this morning picking up rubbish in the Monaco estuary with James Shaw showing Nelson people how its done !~
  
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  February 23, 2019 5:34pm
  - Swifty
    
    I’ve just seen Chris Carter and hubby up at the supermarket.
    
    Good to see he survived the rigours of Afghanistan and Burma unscathed.
    
    Might want to lose a few pounds though Chris, bit of a squeeze getting into that VW Golf GTI! 🙂
    
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    February 23, 2019 6:02pm
    - Swifty
      
      Oh and you might have brought the Labour party into disrepute but, you were right, Phil Goff never stood a chance against our man Key! 🙂
      
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/election-2011/election-comment/5899673/Key-knocks-em-dead-with-show-me-the-money-routine
      
      Show me the money!
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB7z3AHPAzE
      
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      February 23, 2019 6:06pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Oi, Oi , Oi?
  
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  February 23, 2019 7:16pm
Happychappy

The Herald trying to encourage the Labour Coalition on CGT by showing them how much they could of had.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12206535
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February 23, 2019 4:59pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And I assume all of us rich pricks on KB live in such mega-mansions.
  
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  February 23, 2019 6:01pm
  - lifesgood
    
    I wish!
    
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    February 23, 2019 6:06pm
DigNap15

Annother Home Run from Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-7HsTskc0

That’s three in the last few days.
Yet no mention in the MSM or by any snowflakes.
You want to read all the comments.
I think he could get back in in 2020!

TVNZ continues with an anti Trump headline every day!
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February 23, 2019 5:24pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  It is anti right not anti Trump, just as it is here.
  
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  February 23, 2019 7:13pm
DigNap15

How about sacking the Parole board and replacing them with
A builder, a plumber, a housewife, a business owner, and female pensioner.
And chose a new set them every time there is a hearing. Pay them $200 for the day.
And tear up any psychiatrists reports and just read the victim impact statements and any comments from the police.
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February 23, 2019 5:30pm
- nasska
  
  …..”A builder, a plumber, a housewife, a business owner, and female pensioner”…..
  
  How about a mandatory retired cocky on the panel? Many of us have extensive experience of handling useless dogs.
  
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  February 23, 2019 5:44pm
  - DigNap15
    
    yes a farmer or ex farmer would be a great addition to my parole board.
    
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    February 23, 2019 6:56pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  I would agree, but the one parole board hearing that I have been involved with came to the right conclusion with little prompting, or so I like to think.
  
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  February 23, 2019 7:11pm
  - nasska
    
    I’ve never been to a parole board hearing & with reasonable luck I never will.
    
    So favour me with your impressions. Were the Board actually listening & forming opinions from what was said or, as I suspect, was the outcome largely predetermined?
    
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    February 23, 2019 7:21pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Dear Folks,
It is 20 minutes since I posted my generous offer to Cultured KBers.

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/02/rocket_lab_founder_on_cgt.html/comment-page-1#comment-2436590

Don’t delay… this offer closes soon.
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February 23, 2019 6:07pm
- stigie
  
  Just as well Stiffy is not here Maggy, chances are he would be requesting a painting of your underwear and related items..?
  
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  February 23, 2019 6:13pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    My style is non-representational mimesis
    
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    February 23, 2019 6:21pm
  - Swifty
    
    I think Stiffy is lurking stigie, you got a downtick for that!
    
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    February 23, 2019 7:27pm
- nasska
  
  Can we be certain that they’re your own creations Maggy?
  
  I recall a few years ago an instance when a very unsavoury Labour Party politician signed art works painted by others. 🙂
  
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  February 23, 2019 6:21pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m shocked that you could doubt the integrity of a fellow KBer.
    
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    February 23, 2019 6:26pm
    - stigie
      
      Nasska, go to the naughty corner at once !~
      
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      February 23, 2019 6:28pm
- Monique Watson
  
  I’m conflicted. Should my discretionary go towards our school auction or investing in your art Maggy! I’m in if you paint what you think us K’ber’s look like.
  Sunflowers are nice too!
  
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  February 23, 2019 8:29pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’d stick with the school auction…
    I picked up a Gaylene Preston pencil sketch at one of my Kid’s school art auctions…
    https://myyearwithhelen.com/aboutgaylene
    
    I’m sure its worth a mint now… and the Lefties will love it if I’m forced to hock it off.
    
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    February 23, 2019 8:36pm
Monique Watson

One son to another: “Do you like Imagine Dragons”?

“Then imagine me dragging my balls over your face.”
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February 23, 2019 6:44pm
- nasska
  
  Sibling disputes in Chateau Watson have probably been the inspiration of countless porn blockbusters. 🙂
  
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  February 23, 2019 6:53pm
starboard

“Morrissey
Hidden due to low comment rating.”

*snigger*

You would wonder why it bothers..
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February 23, 2019 6:57pm
- All_on_Red
  
  The Hamas Hugger does tend to get a spanking
  Say….
  
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  February 23, 2019 7:00pm
Monique Watson

Just imagine the future frat parties: Another one:

#1: “Have you heard about Sugandese Nuts”?

#2: “What are Sugandese Nuts?

#1: “Sugandese Nuts”!

Inspiration for something that’s for sure.
I got sucked into the “Up Dog”, prank.

Hubby: “You smell like Up Dog”!

Me alarmed and sniffing. “What’s up dog”.

Hubby: “Whassup Dawg”?
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February 23, 2019 7:06pm
Nostradamus

I’ve just watched the joint Jacinda Ardern-Scott Morrison press conference yesterday. Jacinda spoke with notes. Scott Morrison didn’t seem to. Jacinda looked awkward (in my opinion). Scott Morrison looked relaxed. What a contrast.
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February 23, 2019 7:14pm
- waikatogirl
  
  When you are always lying it is hard to look calm and relaxed. ?
  
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  February 23, 2019 8:31pm
  - sooty
    
    And remember the lies. Which is why the notes!
    
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    February 23, 2019 10:22pm
Swifty

Some new research on the NZ Adzebill:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/science/110815976/new-research-highlights-bird-species-dramatic-evolution-into-new-zealand-whoppers
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February 23, 2019 7:16pm
- nasska
  
  You’re onto something there.
  
  The South Auckland Pro Baby Maker has increased it’s girth & weight by 100% in less than two generations.
  
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  February 23, 2019 7:27pm
Swifty

Disgraceful thuggery.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12206444

It’s the casualness of it that gets me.

But hey let’s all celebrate ‘Pacifika’ culture.
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February 23, 2019 7:36pm
Jack5

Saturday night evensong …

https://youtu.be/JaaQ3O2sfLY
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