General Debate 05 March 2019

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waikatogirl

Well I never, GD! ?
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March 5, 2019 1:13pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Better late than never, I guess 😀
  
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  March 5, 2019 1:49pm
  - DigNap15
    
    I was just about to cancel my subscription!
    
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    March 5, 2019 5:04pm
Happychappy

Barry Soper gives the true version of what will happen with ticket scalping.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12209438
Like every thing that is criticizing the Coalition they try to stop bad press by trying to dupe the public into thinking they are doing something good.
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March 5, 2019 1:15pm
- Colinxy
  
  That and I imagine NZ’s most famous scalper and protector of the SLG would object.
  
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  March 5, 2019 1:17pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Sopers description of the PM suggests that the blinkers are well and truly off.
  One wonders if the melt down a commenter mentioned recently was caused by the realisation by the PM that that is now the case in the media and the golden run is at an end.
  
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  March 5, 2019 1:27pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Yep, that thermonuclear meltdown gets closer every day
    
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    March 5, 2019 3:15pm
    - Tricati
      
      Bloody hope so
      
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      March 5, 2019 3:25pm
      - sooty
        
        It ain’t going to pretty, when it happens!
        Wont be off to the UN, when it happens!
        
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        March 5, 2019 4:58pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Not if you read Audrey Young’s article on the one and only time Simon has bested Jacinda in the house. Really?
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12209774
    
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    March 5, 2019 9:36pm
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Yep, the reality has been that Simon Bridges slaughters Cindy in the House during every question time (irrespective of whether it’s about Karel Sroubek or not).
      Normally it takes Winston leaping to his feet (which doesn’t seem to physically happen quite so often now) to ask a patsy to save Cindy’s skin.
      Maybe the media are slowly beginning to actually notice it…
      
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      March 5, 2019 10:36pm
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        Apart from Tova maybe…
        
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        March 5, 2019 10:44pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Soper will be getting hauled into the PMs office for an attitude readjustment session.
  
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  March 5, 2019 1:28pm
  - Muttonbird
    
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    I expect that has already happened which is why Soper has been whining like a bitch of late – his massive ego has been pricked.
    
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    March 5, 2019 1:43pm
    - softail 1450
      
      muttonturd ,tied to the left by a reef knot using his old dried up testicles?
      
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      March 5, 2019 1:50pm
      - stigie
        
        Bwahahahahaha !!
        
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        March 5, 2019 1:53pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Like you have been ‘pricked’?
      
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      March 5, 2019 9:39pm
  - peterwn
    
    … without coffee presumably.
    
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    March 5, 2019 2:05pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Recalibration
    
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    March 5, 2019 3:16pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Unlike David Cormack (Labour spinmeister in chief) writing an opinion piece in this morning’s Herald.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=12209321
    
    Cormack’s view of the world is both frightening and funny.
    
    Frightening if people believe his garbage and funny because it is so contrary to what has been happening for the past 18 months.
    
    Portrarying the CoL as having ideas – the only 4 substantial ideas they have had in the past 18 months is:
    1. We have no idea about that, so set up a working group;
    2. We’ll stop child poverty by stopping the tax cuts promised in 2017;
    3. We’ll stop oil & gas exploration to prove our green credentials; and
    4. KiwiPhail
    
    The rest is window dressing – like the plastic bag ban or fixing transport.
    
    National need to find a way of breaking the influence of the likes of Cormack writing fake opinion articles in the media!
    
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    March 5, 2019 5:12pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Isn’t he a spiteful little mongrel.
      
      Is this the beginning of the end and he’s panicking. It is certainly a big bunch of vitriol.
      
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      March 5, 2019 7:15pm
      - sooty
        
        There must be trouble in sight for him to burst into print!
        
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        March 5, 2019 7:20pm
- mic
  
  Well, he’s certainly gone off the Jacinda koolaid lately.
  
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  March 5, 2019 1:45pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Just running his part of Winston’s re-election strategy… the faux criticism of the PM….. also Winnie can appear in control and convince his supporters he is the man to steer the coalition…
    
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    March 5, 2019 2:09pm
Hugh Pavletich

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AUCKLAND & TAURANGA … bye bye bubbles …

Barfoot & Thompson’s February sales were down 29% compared to a year ago … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/98438/barfoot-thomsons-february-sales-were-down-29-compared-year-ago

Housing sales were significantly softer at Auckland’s largest real estate agency in February.

Barfoot & Thompson sold 474 residential properties in February, down 29% from the 665 the agency sold in February last year. … read more via hyperlink above …
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New Auckland Council and government working group to address housing and urban growth issues gets ready for action … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/98452/central-and-local-government-get-set-join-forces-address-aucklands-housing-and-growth
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… May 2016 … it has been a long time coming …

Labour, National both tell council Auckland city growth limits should be abolished … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/80113578/labour-auckland-city-growth-limits-should-be-abolished?rm=m
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… Where the National Party Opposition is on land supply … Leader and Tauranga MP Simon Bridges explains …

Tauranga world’s eighth most unaffordable housing market | Newshub

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/01/tauranga-world-s-eighth-most-unaffordable-housing-market.html
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March 5, 2019 1:16pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  … AUSTRALIA …
  
  High-rise apartment crash gathers pace – MacroBusiness Australia
  … behind paywall …
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/03/high-rise-apartment-crash-gathers-pace/
  
  By Leith van Onselen
  
  Yesterday, the ABS released dwelling approvals data for January, which revealed that apartment approvals have crashed by 53% since their May 2016 peak: ( monthly trend )
  
  (graph)
  
  … concluding …
  
  … The high-rise bust is happening now, and it’s likely to get much worse as concerns around flammable cladding and construction faults grow, Chinese demand pulls back, and settlements fail.
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  Further information … http://www.macrobusiness.com.au
  
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  March 5, 2019 1:19pm
- rangitoto
  
  There are less listings, it looks like people people aren’t selling. I looked at a house a couple of weeks ago that had it’s first open home a couple of days after it listed. A lot of people were looking and the agent said it already had a conditional offer agreed. There still appears to be plenty of demand for good properties anyway.
  
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  March 5, 2019 1:26pm
  - trout
    
    The fiasco that is ‘Kiwibuild’ is looking more and more ridiculous (and expensive). It transpires that developers contracted to Kiwibuild are guaranteed a set price for houses they build to sell. 5 houses in Wanaka have been sold to Kiwibuild approved buyers; 5 remain to be sold. The developer can now put these on the open market and is free TO DISCOUNT the price to make a sale. The Government has agreed to make up the difference between the discounted price and the original Kiwibuild asking price. The developer has struck gold; he is building a further 200 houses in Wanaka, and more in Te Kawhata (both areas of low demand for small houses at big prices) and has the Government guaranteeing an inflated price regardless of the market.
    
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    March 5, 2019 3:05pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Trout … here is my Sunday post …
      
      … You are right … Kiwibuild is an embarrassing disaster … even to the Left … e.g. The Listener … New York Times …
      
      Posted at … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/03/general_debate_2_march_2019-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-2442883 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/03/weekend-reading-2-3-march-2019/#comment-3302470 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/03/nz-dwelling-approvals-hit-44-year-high/#comment-3302478 (behind paywall)
      
      … NEW ZEALAND: How much longer do we have to endure the KiwiBuild circus ? …
      
      … essential reading …
      
      Five out of 10 Kiwibuild homes in Wanaka sit empty | 1 NEWS NOW | TVNZ
      
      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/five-10-kiwibuild-homes-in-wanaka-sit-empty
      
      Wanaka’s housing market is booming and affordable housing is in high demand, so why are five out of 10 KiwiBuild homes are sitting empty?
      
      More than 200 KiwiBuild homes have been earmarked for Wanaka’s Northlake subdivision with the expectation they’ll be built in the next two years.
      
      The original 10 were offered in a ballot, but only five have sold since October. … read more via hyperlink above …
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      The KiwiBuild failure should galvanise urgent action on NZ’s housing disaster – EDITORIAL – The Listener
      
      https://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/kiwibuild-failure-galvanise-action-nz-housing-disaster/
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      Performance Urban Planning
      
      http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
      
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      March 5, 2019 5:51pm
  - howzit
    
    That’s because one very common reason sales are down is listings are down and doesn’t mean that the market has crashed. It’s cooled but you are so right when you say that a good home will sell.
    
    There are always those who have paid more than they should and have to sell. They get burnt but otherwise I doubt it’s a bursting of a bubble.
    
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    March 5, 2019 7:36pm
ex-golfer

Better late than never I guess……..

In yesterdays evolving news was an announcement from the PM that the Government will be taking steps to crack down on ticket scalpers.
Easier said than done but it might put a stop to people like this:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/6426149/Mallard-sells-festival-tickets-online-at-profit
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March 5, 2019 1:16pm
- fernglas
  
  If ever there was a policy aimed at votes from young urban professionals, this is it.
  
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  March 5, 2019 1:51pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    Yep – its always the big issues they care about the most!
    
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    March 5, 2019 1:58pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  This is an oldie, but a goodie. To his credit, Mallard took the ribbing in good humour:
  
  https://youtu.be/7mPUHqn0VvU
  
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  March 5, 2019 1:53pm
  - ABS
    
    KS he was a tad bit more defensive on the blogs about the subject, he was still posting on WO at that stage and used up his daily quota of F words in a very short span of time.
    
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    March 5, 2019 2:09pm
- Nermal
  
  Why not apply CGT?
  
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  March 5, 2019 3:23pm
Poppa

I wonder when we will hear more on the drug dealing scumbag who should be deported?

It seems to have been shutdown by people in high places. Why has National dropped this? Maybe lack of actual evidence?

I can smell a very nasty rat here & want to know who has shut this down
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March 5, 2019 1:20pm
- pdm
  
  Was thinking exactly the same during the somewhat ineffective questioning of Ardern this afternoon.
  
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  March 5, 2019 2:54pm
- Komata
  
  Poppa
  
  Re: ‘Why has National dropped this? Maybe lack of actual evidence?’
  
  Or: Its crossed ‘Borders’ and is more widespread in the ‘Political upper classes’ than we have been led to believe…
  
  Such things have been known to happen.
  
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  March 5, 2019 2:56pm
  - howzit
    
    Or there is so much else to beat them up on and this one is a seed that’s been planted and now it’s time to see if it grows.
    
    1. He is still in prison so going no where just yet.
    
    2. He is applying for residency in his real name
    
    3. It will go in front of a judge due to the handling of it.
    
    4. He will likely win as Sleaze Galloway fucked up
    
    5. The seed sprouts and they can now tell all of N Z that we have a new lawn mower for keeps
    
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    March 5, 2019 8:21pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Must be hard to pick just one thing, so many to choose from. perhaps we (including me) need to get involved at party level to know more than we hear from the msm.
  
  Anyway Simon would know more than most the sub judice rules, Soubrek isn’t going anywhere, so can be parked, The young Labour camp matter is shortly before the courts.
  
  Separation of powers etc now we have the jihadist, it seems to me that more is required of the opposition to perform than the government.
  
  The squirrels being fired out of the cannon just to fill the empty space are numerous but even the scalping ‘headline’ is still just another discussion.
  
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  March 6, 2019 5:55am
Manolo

Probe after probe:
https://apnews.com/41ea4c23629d4aa3a2a66ccde545c0f5

Three House committees are asking the White House and the State Department for any information on private conversations between President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin, including an interview with an interpreter who sat in on their one-on-one meeting in Helsinki last summer.
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March 5, 2019 1:20pm
graham

Having listened to Newstalk ZB this morning …

… can someone PLEASE tell Jacinda Ardern the word is “jeopardise” – not “jeop-RA-dise”!!!

And “frustrating” has TWO “r”‘s in it – it’s not “fustrating”.
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March 5, 2019 1:28pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Oh the irony of the Communications Degree expert making up words on the fly or simply mangling the basics – especially after gleefully reveling in the shade thrown at Simon Bridges speaking style.
  
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  March 5, 2019 1:30pm
- jonno1
  
  Actually it’s very fustrating, and jepradises her credibilidy bigly.
  
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  March 5, 2019 1:34pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    credibiliddy – you’re welcome
    
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    March 5, 2019 1:51pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    fusdraiding
    
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    March 5, 2019 3:48pm
- alloytoo
  
  Did she actually answer a single question?
  
  She wouldn’t even answer Hosking when he asked her if Mark Taylor would qualify for legal aid.
  
  I mean that was an easy one,
  
  The answer Jacinda is “yes.”
  
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  March 5, 2019 3:50pm
Poppa

I am disgusted at the PM & others encouraging students to strike over climate change. The parents should decide what happens with their kids & the last thing we need is for politicians to get involved.

Whatever anyone thinks about the climate change myth, this is just wrong
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March 5, 2019 1:28pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Interesting that Greg O’Connor has come out and said the decision to protest should be one made only with the parents approval, not the students themselves.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12209586
  
  Is this his “Damien O’Connor” moment?
  
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  March 5, 2019 1:34pm
  - peterwn
    
    After Barry Soper, he will be next for a 9th floor meeting without coffee.
    
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    March 5, 2019 2:08pm
  - RF
    
    Flip flop is on his last warning so he will be in the shit.
    
    Our lying PM does not like him.
    
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    March 5, 2019 9:52pm
- lifesgood
  
  How and why would you protest against climate change. If that isn’t utter stupidity I don’t know what is. Who are you protesting to? And can they magically change the climate? Bloody nutters the lot of them
  
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  March 5, 2019 1:54pm
  - Poppa
    
    A hundred upticks from me
    
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    March 5, 2019 1:58pm
  - marcw
    
    They really really really want other people to pay more for everything – won’t affect themselves, as they are not taxpayers. This will save the planet apparently.
    
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    March 5, 2019 2:28pm
  - Komata
    
    Lifesgood
    
    The other question: WHO is indoctrinating these kids?
    
    I (perhaps niavely) presumed that school classrooms were supposed to be apolitical.
    
    Evidently I was wrong.
    
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    March 5, 2019 3:00pm
  - Okahu
    
    Any school kid with the gumption to publicise their concern over climate change gets my support. The descent into vitimhood and conspiracy mongering of those that refute the overwhelming scientific consensus FOR the reality of human induced climate change is depressingly real, as is your apparent ‘why bother’ attitude.
    
    Climate change is an existential threat to these kids. You and your 36 uptickers may not want to believe that. They have no option but to do deal with their elder’s bewildering indifference and the climate change threat as best they can. If that means adding pressure for meaningful action via public protest, all power to them.
    
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    March 5, 2019 5:56pm
- peterwn
  
  She has yet to understand the role of the PM. It is unlawful to wag school without a valid reason, eg sickness, seeing doctor etc. The PM therefore should not be aiding or abetting breaking the law. Arguably she could be charged under the Education Act for aiding and abetting truancy.
  
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  March 5, 2019 2:23pm
  - KevOB
    
    In the USA that would be in be breach of her oath of office and impeachable.
    
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    March 5, 2019 3:29pm
    - DigNap15
      
      In China she would be charged and executed!
      
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      March 5, 2019 5:08pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  If these kids sincerely wanted to help in the fight against climate change they would stay at school and work really hard, particularly at science subjects, so that they will be able in due course to participate in finding practical solutions.
  
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  March 5, 2019 2:58pm
  - KevOB
    
    If they actually learnt maths they would be able to critique the models which produce any answer except reality. When a major part of the input is the output of other models producing fictitious “data” and models are summarily averaged sensibility and maths are outraged.
    
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    March 5, 2019 5:46pm
- tf78
  
  Kids striking all over the world! – Maybe parents all over the world should strike out against the governments and the kids until they come to their senses about how useful electricity, petrol, gas, plastic etc really is. No cell phones, lights, TV, aircon, and no food deliveries to supermarkets etc, no takeaways, no rides to school, no dinners, no breakfast, no lunch, no pocket money – etc in a reverse protest.
  
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  March 5, 2019 3:49pm
- hullkiwi
  
  At our son’s school, it was none other than the Chairman of the Board of Trustees encouraging parents to let their child(ren) go and participate in the rally in Auckland. This annoyed Mrs HK, who responded by telling him that our kids are already behind a number of national standards, & she did not think this was a good use of the children’s time. Especially, given we’ve had 2 teacher strikes in recent months.
  
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  March 5, 2019 5:46pm
stigie

Another cringeworthy soft interview by Duncan Garner this morning to the Prime Minister without putting her on the spot and of course without butting in.
A complete contrast in interviewing when Simon was on yesterday trying to catch him out without any regard to whether the public would notice !~
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March 5, 2019 1:31pm
redeye

Someone mentioned that in an interview with Peter Williams on Magic this morning, Winston Peters categorically stated that there would be no change to the threshold prior to the election, and it would only change if it was the wish of the people.
Did anyone hear it, and was it really categorical? Or just more Peters bluster?
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March 5, 2019 1:46pm
- Poppa
  
  Apparently he did say that. But…..that was today, with no guarantee what his next position will be
  
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  March 5, 2019 1:57pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Will his opinion be the same tomorrow, after lunch?
  
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  March 5, 2019 2:03pm
  - Komata
    
    Ex-g
    
    Surely that would depend on the quality of the whiskey he consumed at lunch?
    
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    March 5, 2019 3:02pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Depends who paid for lunch.
    
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    March 5, 2019 7:27pm
- wiseowl
  
  Yes.
  He indicated that the threshold would only change if voted on by the people.
  Not dictated by politicians.
  
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  March 5, 2019 3:08pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “Tui”….
    
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    March 5, 2019 7:27pm
- 453mm
  
  Everything from Peters is bluster.
  
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  March 5, 2019 3:10pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Be glad that Golriz put it in, as he can’t be seen to be agreeing with them.
    
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    March 6, 2019 8:20am
- waikatogirl
  
  Yes, Peters categorically stated that it was not up to the Greens to change the law, that it was up to the voters and there would definitely be a referendum question on whether to lower the MMP threshold at the next election. Peter Williams got Peters to repeat his confirmation there would be a referendum question at the 2020 election for the people to decide.
  
  I wonder if Peters had discussed it with Cindy?
  
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  March 5, 2019 3:11pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Ardern has confirmed it this afternoon. I saw it as a news item at 5pm on MSN home page.
  
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  March 5, 2019 5:48pm
rangitoto

It’s interesting that Peter Williams is now allowed his own opinions on Magic. A caller told Williams that he sometimes threw stuff at the TV when he was reading some piece on TVNZ. Williams replied “that was a previous life”. He was criticising the climate alarmists, which he would never have been permitted to do on TVNZ. I thought he was boring at first on Magic but he is improving.
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March 5, 2019 1:56pm
- ABS
  
  I often thought you could pick up subconcious tells from Peter when he was on TVNZ and reading crap he didnt particularly believe in. Must be hard being a mouthpiece for an organisation that reports CNN and WaPo as truthful.
  
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  March 5, 2019 2:17pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Ha ha. What is a newsreader apart from a ‘mouthpiece’? Can you think of a media organisation where one person could collect all the day’s news and then summarise it for you in 30 minutes truthfully and accurately?
    Williams has simply moved into a different role, where instead of reading out information collected by others, he can now spout his own opinions, whether informed by reporting or not.
    
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    March 5, 2019 2:33pm
    - wiseowl
      
      Well Mike ,someone rang him and was talking about chemtrails and how the big powers were controlling the world weather.
      Was that you ?
      
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      March 5, 2019 3:16pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        I heard that guy on chemtrails. The Russians and Chinese are controlling the world climate…Nutter!
        I found something else to do.
        
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        March 5, 2019 3:47pm
      - tf78
        
        I’ve actually noticed seeing them (2 or 3 ) over the past few months – I’ve not seen them for years.
        
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        March 5, 2019 3:55pm
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        Bollocks it’s the Russians and Chinese controlling the weather – it’s actually the Illuminati.
        
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        March 5, 2019 10:42pm
    - ABS
      
      I am sure he is a lot happier without the daily diet of dead rat sprinkled with stardust though =)
      Doesn’t appear to have stopped any other news reader injecting their virtue signalling beliefs into reporting, whether informed or not.
      
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      March 5, 2019 3:17pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Yes, Williams gets to signal his virtues exclusively now, rather than reading out prepared pieces of journalism.
        
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        March 5, 2019 3:48pm
ex-golfer

While our school-kids go on strike, in the UK these two candidates for a Darwin award take it a step further:
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-47442943/the-women-too-scared-of-climate-change-to-have-children

If only all snowflakes had the same approach, they would slowly descend into oblivion.
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March 5, 2019 2:02pm
tknorriss

The ticket scalping crack down is just another manufactured crisis.

All ticket scalping proves is that the promoters are underselling the tickets. Because, if they were maximising their return, logically there would be no room for scalpers to make a profit.

If promoters were to sell their tickets in an auction format (highest bidder gets the best seat and so-on) then the return for the promoter would be maximised and there wouldn’t be room for scalpers.
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March 5, 2019 2:02pm
- rangitoto
  
  I have no issue with scalping as long as the tickets are legit, what’s the problem?
  
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  March 5, 2019 2:16pm
  - MCos
    
    So if you went to the supermarket and there was no milk, for example, but someone was selling it out in the car park for three times the price you’d have no issues.
    Then there’s these people who drive around poor areas and sell food at big markups to people on credit with usury interest rates. No problem with that?
    
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    March 5, 2019 2:28pm
    - rangitoto
      
      None.
      
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      March 5, 2019 2:31pm
      - tknorriss
        
        Me neither
        
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        March 5, 2019 2:40pm
      - MCos
        
        Well, there’s a nice wee business for you.
        Here’s some more ideas.
        I’ve heard of people who’ve borrowed money at 10% 20% a month because no choice.
        I was told of a guy lending people money in the morning and collecting 120% at the end of the day.
        There you go. You’d have a new Benz in no time
        
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        March 5, 2019 5:01pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Hey, you can’t put arbitrary restrictions on people’s behaviour like that. If you regulate usury, you might also have to regulate vehicle safety, pyramid schemes, patent medicines, or countless other things that are valued in an entrepreneurial socirty.
      
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      March 5, 2019 2:49pm
      - tknorriss
        
        I fail to see where the problem is here.
        
        The seller is happy as they make a profit. The purchaser is happy because they get to go to the show or whatever.
        
        The only people who should be unhappy are the promoters who obviously undersold their tickets in the first place so have no reason to complain.
        
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        March 5, 2019 3:13pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I’m not so bothered by ticket scalping, per se, tknorris. I’m more interested in rangitoto’s response to things like regulating against usury, etc.
        Most people would agree that some things should be regulated. Very few people would argue that nothing needs to be regulated.
        
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        March 5, 2019 3:51pm
      - tknorriss
        
        A good example of the effect of market interference by a government, and how that worsened a crisis was hurricane hugo:
        
        https://fee.org/articles/hurricane-hugo-price-controls-hinder-recovery/
        
        So, if regulation is to be used, it should be done wisely and reluctantly.
        
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        March 5, 2019 4:17pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I think ‘wisely and reluctantly’ provides a great deal of wriggle room. It is possible to mount arguments, based on economic principles, human rights, etc, etc, against (0r for) nearly any kind of regulation one can imagine.
        
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        March 5, 2019 4:39pm
    - srylands
      
      No I don’t have a problem. If there was no milk at the supermarket, something serious would have gone wrong. You mean no milk at any supermarket? So this is end of days stuff. There probably would be no guy in the carpark.
      
      As for poor people and truck markets, what do you expect? The solution is to address the barriers these people have in accessing mainstream stores and markets.
      
      When i go to the Sunday morning market to buy fruit and veges, it is a sea of middle-class white faces. Why are there no Maori there stocking up on veges for their large families?
      
      There is a limit to how far you can regulate to ensure well being.
      
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      March 5, 2019 2:56pm
      - ABS
        
        >There is a limit to how far you can regulate to ensure well being.
        
        Quick. Someone tell the fucking coalition
        
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        March 5, 2019 3:19pm
      - rangitoto
        
        “You mean no milk at any supermarket? So this is end of days stuff. There probably would be no guy in the carpark.”
        
        Or Cindy’s government has won another term. New Venezualand
        
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        March 5, 2019 3:41pm
      - Muttonbird
        
        Ah yes. The Victoria St Sunday Market located where suburb after suburb after suburb surrounding it is also full of white faces.
        
        Stunning toff-nosed ignorance there, Strylands.
        
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        March 5, 2019 3:49pm
      - MCos
        
        You clearly don’t go to the Otara Market or the Mangere Market or the Avondale Market.
        
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        March 5, 2019 4:51pm
    - Howdy
      
      yep. we should take them out back and do them over. bastards, picking on the poor people.
      
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      March 5, 2019 6:53pm
- peterwn
  
  “All ticket scalping proves is that the promoters are underselling the tickets.”
  But there are those who do not want so sell tickets for top price. Imagine the fuss if NZ Rugby auctioned off test match tickets.
  BBC/ Royal Albert Hall could make a fortune on ‘Last Night at the Proms’, but they do not, it would bring them in disrepute. So, unfortunately, the likes of Viagogo scalp them for ten times the price or so (unfortunately the Hall sold some perpetual tickets in the 1860-1870’s to raise money for construction and these remain valid – there should have been a 99 year cap on them).
  
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  March 5, 2019 2:17pm
  - tknorriss
    
    Well then they have no reason to complain if people are motivated enough to sell their tickets at what the market will pay.
    
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    March 5, 2019 2:42pm
    - peterwn
      
      However it is pretty galling for organisations like Rugby NZ who want to keep prices as affordable as possible to have tickets scalped especially by those with special or privileged access to tickets (eg test tickets allocated to clubs) who sell them to scalpers or selling them at an obscene profit.
      Royal Albert Hall I believe has this problem with those with perpetual rights.
      
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      March 5, 2019 4:25pm
ex-golfer

Q1 in the House today.
Ardern attempting to justify the proposed CGT.
Winston Raymond Peters looking very uncomfortable sitting next to her!
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March 5, 2019 2:11pm
- stigie
  
  Yes, it was very telling, sitting there through Q1 with a very grumpy looking face on as to say…..This CGT will go ahead over my dead body !~
  
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  March 5, 2019 3:06pm
- madamezucchininz
  
  …..Ms Ed was certainly getting very grumpy in the hot seat….avoiding answering Q’s today (which is normal for her)…..with Winston holding tight the shaking hand……Just loved it when Simon nailed her to the wall over running an NGO…..even managing to get “comrades” into it…..she would not answer and should have been made to…..But more lies from her about the hiring and firing of staff……really…..in an after school job…..all these lies will be in Hansard now……
  
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  March 5, 2019 3:29pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    mmm. The shaking hand suggests Parkinsons disease.
    I suspect the NGO issue will be fertile ground for ongoing questions.
    
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    March 5, 2019 3:44pm
    - KevOB
      
      Winston has had the shakes for ages. It can be a result of alcoholism too.
      
      He just won’t retire. Now they are seeking to lower the thresholds to continue. MMP has passed it’s use by date.
      
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      March 5, 2019 5:57pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        Winston is still one of the most articulate and humorous speakers in the house. He leaves Bridges for dead. Talking crap to the contrary just makes you look silly. People can go on line and see for themselves.
        
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        March 5, 2019 6:15pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        I beg to differ US.
        Peters is rarely articulate, slurring out screeds of dictionary words with little care for relevance or context, uses the lectern like a bar leaner to prop himself up, inserts himself into debate without the slightest attempt at coherence, and uses vile personal insult and innuendo to dodge and deflect.
        The sooner the rasping old drunk takes his baubles and shuffles off with his motley bunch of troffers behind him the better.
        
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        March 6, 2019 12:22am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Not all shaking is down to Parkinsons. Perhaps he needed another tot of whisky?
      
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      March 5, 2019 6:19pm
  - skyblue
    
    My email that I got back from PMs office at work.
    
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    March 5, 2019 6:41pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    And it actually got reported, amazing.
    
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    March 6, 2019 9:15am
- DigNap15
  
  I missed it, I hope you are correct!
  
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  March 5, 2019 5:13pm
MCos

If you’re going to Chiangmai be prepared for an atmosphere laden with dense smoke from burn offs on the farms in Northern Thailand.
Every year it’s the same.
Every year the Govt/junta says they are going to sort out the problem.
In the next couple of months the rain comes and that’s it. Everyone forgets.
It’s a big problem that repeats every year.
There are alternatives for the farmers, but they cost more and they already live a hand to mouth existence.
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March 5, 2019 2:17pm
Happychappy

I see Paddy Gower is on a crusade to get free dental care for all on the tax payer of NZ. Whilst I agree every child in NZ should have free dental care I don’t believe in adults getting it as people make bad choices by smoking, drinking soft drink and consuming sweets, so why should the taxpayer have to pay for their selfish habits.
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March 5, 2019 2:21pm
- srylands
  
  It would be fraught with difficulties. Presumably there would be a basket of procedures that would be publicly funded. The government would need to regulate how much it paid for those procedures. If it is free then you need to ration via a waiting list. Hence lots of moaning. Lots of dentists then exit the ‘public’ dental system. Well the good ones anyway.
  
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  March 5, 2019 2:31pm
- Lance
  
  Except not all dental care is cavities.
  Wisdom teeth… impacted wisdom teeth etc
  
  The later a source of extreme pain late one night, pain so bad I was passing out, it was equal first to when I had appendicitis.
  I could afford to pay, after a trip to the hospital for a morphine jab.
  Nobody should be forced to endure shit like that
  
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  March 5, 2019 2:52pm
- DigNap15
  
  Free stomach stapling.
  Free hair transplants
  
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  March 5, 2019 5:14pm
  - stigie
    
    Penis extensions for Muttonturd, Ztrev, Morris Oxford and…….
    
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    March 5, 2019 5:41pm
    - nasska
      
      They’d never get the opportunity to test drive them this side of a goat paddock! 🙂
      
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      March 5, 2019 5:49pm
    - Tall Man
      
      You can’t extend what isn’t there…..
      
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      March 5, 2019 7:39pm
- Inandout
  
  The princess has ruled out free dental care, absolutely no.
  
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  March 5, 2019 6:40pm
mikenmildagain

Happy Saint Piran’s Day to anyone of Cornish descent.
St Piran appears to have been an interesting chap, like all mythical beings, perhaps: ‘The heathen Irish tied him to a mill-stone, rolled it over the edge of a cliff into a stormy sea, which immediately became calm, and the saint floated safely over the water to land upon the sandy beach of Perranzabuloe in Cornwall. His first disciples are said to have been a badger, a fox and a bear’.
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March 5, 2019 2:26pm
- nasska
  
  …..”His first disciples are said to have been a badger, a fox and a bear”…..
  
  KB’s religious conservative nutters would have been easier converts. 🙂
  
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  March 5, 2019 4:21pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Further research is required into whether ‘disciple’ means pet, follower or lover, in the context of 5th century Cornish customary usage.
    
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    March 5, 2019 4:30pm
srylands

So this guy conducted his life for for 15 years around accumulating FF points at Qantas. And now he has lost them and gone to the media.

Like he thought that an investment strategy centred on Air Miles with an airline carried no risk?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/personal-finance/news/article.cfm?c_id=12&objectid=12209335
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March 5, 2019 2:26pm
- Lance
  
  I have long since allocated airpoints to the dustbin of life.
  The clincher was a round the world trip wasn’t enough airpoints for a one way trip to Sydney and I couldn’t even partly pay money + airpoints.
  A big bloody joke now.
  Shop around and save more
  
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  March 5, 2019 2:55pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Westpac “hot points”.
    
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    March 5, 2019 7:42pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Not if the advice that he was given was that they did not expire.
  
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  March 6, 2019 9:30am
tedbear

USA greenie Freshman Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says “It is basically a scientific consensus that the lives of our children are going to be very difficult due to climate change.“

Righto, better stop having children.
That’ll sort out many problems including no need for more schoolteachers.
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March 5, 2019 2:34pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Yeah – like these two:
  https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-47442943/the-women-too-scared-of-climate-change-to-have-children
  
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  March 5, 2019 2:36pm
- rangitoto
  
  If we get another Ice Age like the last one then that will certainly be the case. A large part of the UK, Northern Europe, Canada, Northern parts of the US under ice sheets. For NZ, agriculture would be difficult if not impossible in the South Island.
  
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  March 5, 2019 2:46pm
- ABS
  
  She gives me a dull throbbing ache right where the brain damage would be if I were a labour voter.
  
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  March 5, 2019 3:22pm
- Inandout
  
  Shit, the bomb scares of the 1960s was much heavier than climate. Do we see families building ‘climate change shelters’?
  
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  March 5, 2019 6:38pm
kowtow

Some very dangerous people out there.

‘A teenager bludgeoned a mate to death after earlier suggesting to others, “Shall we kill Oliver?”‘

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/teen-murderer-shall-we-kill-oliver
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March 5, 2019 2:47pm
- MrTips
  
  Read that. If corroborated, he’s a nasty bugger isn’t he?
  
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  March 5, 2019 3:01pm
  - kowtow
    
    He pg . nasty as hell.
    
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    March 5, 2019 4:02pm
- DigNap15
  
  The photo of the accused does not look like a tough killer.
  What sort of mentality is that.
  I hope he goes away for a very very long time.
  
  He can ask his mates what they think about that!
  
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  March 5, 2019 5:16pm
Biscuit

Best wishes for a highly-successful Chris Finlayson ‘Roast’ tonight, DPF!
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March 5, 2019 3:01pm
- stigie
  
  Will it be videoed, will be a hoot to watch..?
  
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  March 5, 2019 4:02pm
MrTips

Luke Perry is just bad luck and biology, but the rest of them honey, well it might be worth considering how fake and fucked up the so called “rock and roll” lifestyle is. It would do my head in.
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March 5, 2019 3:05pm
Cobolt24

A very good read: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/03/01/singapores-highly-successful-economic-evolution-in-an-era-of-irrational-global-climate-alarmism-propaganda/
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March 5, 2019 3:15pm
Surely Knott

“Mexican drug cartels are moving in to New Zealand – and it may be one of the biggest threats to breach our shores. ” How can drug dealers be the biggest threat to breach our shores? Didn’t we just invite a Czech drug trafficker and gang associate to become a resident.
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March 5, 2019 3:16pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Apparently, Two guns were found in the latest stash found by customs in golf carts. The drugs were packed around the batteries. A smaller battery with enough charge to seem legit was there in an attempt to foil customs. The drug cartels are now importing liquid cocaine in all sorts of ways into NZ.
  
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  March 5, 2019 3:29pm
- Poppa
  
  That is different SK. He has friends if you know what I mean
  
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  March 5, 2019 3:29pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Friends, if true, that others can buy or influence. Wasn’t that always the fear with homosexuality, that it could be used for blackmail purposes.
    
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    March 6, 2019 9:39am
- secondcumming
  
  Needless to say, once again those arrested for the importation of the drugs into this country were both of *Chinese* origin…….messrs YU & SUN.
  
  On a separate note……great to see luxury car sales are still booming. Wouldn’t want it any other way 😎
  
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  March 5, 2019 3:58pm
kevn

Has a new nickname… Momo.
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March 5, 2019 3:49pm
Captain Mainwaring

Lundy gets another appeal.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/111031156/mark-lundys-retrial-undermined-by-illegitimate-and-unfair-crown-evidence

Stand by for endless crap from Notsofast.
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March 5, 2019 3:51pm
- Jack5
  
  Is Lundy getting another trial, or is there just an application for another trial?
  
  Could the poster Notsofast actually be Lundy himself posting from a cell block?
  
  Whoops: Just heard on radio it is an appeal by Lundy’s lawyers, and this will continue tomorrow.
  
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  March 5, 2019 4:24pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It’s an application by Lundy to have his appeal, rejected by the Court of Appeal, heard by the Supreme Court.
    
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    March 5, 2019 4:33pm
    - DigNap15
      
      This is why the Chinese or Iranian punishment systems are much bedda.
      A quick cheap bullet.
      No more jail expenses.
      No more appeals.
      
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      March 5, 2019 7:17pm
Lee C

Ticket-scalping is a squirrel to get CGT off the table.

A self-righteous SJW sound-byte designed to convince her supporters that Brandcinda can still ‘cut it’ and look ‘Prime Ministerial’.

you know do the ‘slightly angry face and clipped tones of someone who ‘really means it.’
A bit like that time she was going to stick it to ‘the oil companies’ and ‘abolish suicide’ and vanquish child poverty’ .

It’s all bullshit and mirrors.

Can we get back to talking about real issues now, Brandy?

Like Sroubek and CGT and Health targets and trying to rig the next election by turning it into a referendum about getting legally stoned?
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March 5, 2019 4:01pm
- ABS
  
  Problem is Bridges is determined to die in a ditch over it. If the referendum is in favour then he has no business quashing it. Yeah sure he’s an ex prosecuter but its a battle he will lose the election over. I would rather have crims in prison for longer than penalising Joe Bloggs for smoking a joint. As long as there are laws around the sale and supply then I have no issue with a law change. Its like he wants to lose the election. FFS pick your battles Simon
  
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  March 5, 2019 5:52pm
  - Universal Smith
    
    I suspect National wont lose many votes if he supports more liberal cannabis laws, but will gain many more.
    
    This is a great topic to show that National are a liberal party that listens to the people. The right is now more liberal than the intolerant authoritarian left and people need to wake up and see that.
    
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    March 5, 2019 6:09pm
    - Pascal
      
      Agreed. Also, alcohol and tobacco.
      
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      March 5, 2019 6:28pm
    - ABS
      
      What Simon has to realize is that lawmakers are sometimes called on to make or repeal laws they don’t agree with but the benefit to the country is more important than how he feels. Free up police, wipe all cannabis convictions that cause real hardship to those convicted.
      I don’t agree with sticking things up peoples bums for sexual pleasure but can also see that the laws around sodomy needed to be changed to allow people the freedom to be who they are.
      Simon and the National Party will never agree and thats how I know that Labour will win the next election regardless of how shit the country is doing. At that point I will be closing my business and moving away from here. Like many other businessmen will, I am sure.
      
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      March 5, 2019 6:29pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I would be very surprised if there is anyone in any prison in New Zealand for smoking a joint, nor for selling a joint, probably not for even growing enough to make quite a few joints…
    
    So your argument is spurious.
    
    Alcohol is restricted yet is freely available to young people. There are no laws that would prevent cannabis following the same route especially as cannabis users have shown that they have little respect for the law as it currently stands.
    
    Last year we had a young man killed on his bike by a young woman breaching her license conditions while “stoned”.
    
    Do you honestly think that we would have less issues if cannabis is legalised?
    
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    March 5, 2019 6:24pm
    - Universal Smith
      
      ~~Alcohol is restricted~~ Cannabis is banned yet is freely available to young people.
      
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      March 5, 2019 6:29pm
    - ABS
      
      You’re putting words in my mouth. I said I would rather have crims in prison for longer than penalising Joe Bloggs for smoking a joint (direct quote). No where did I say people are in prison for smoking weed. Please improve your comprehension skills.
      Penalise the crimes that require serious jail time and ignore the victimless crime of smoking weed for pleasure.
      
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      March 5, 2019 6:33pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Nice attitude you managed to get for yourself there.
        
        I would very much doubt that anyone has appeared in court for a very long time for smoking a joint.
        
        Perhaps if you posted an accurate assessment my limited comprehension would have coped.
        
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        March 5, 2019 7:52pm
    - ABS
      
      There are no laws that would prevent cannabis following the same route especially as cannabis users have shown that they have little respect for the law as it currently stands.
      In your words no less.
      The law ISNT FUCKING WORKING! Jesus Christ its like your brain is on dope.
      
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      March 5, 2019 6:59pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Dial back a bit. You’re not the only one that can throw a bit of shit.
        
        The law against possession and consumption of cannabis is working for the bulk of the population.
        
        Speeding restrictions also work for the bulk of the population for the bulk of the time or should we dispense with them as well?
        
        Legalising cannabis with age restrictions will only serve to increase the access of avenues and this will lead to an increase in the consumption of cannabis by minors.
        
        To argue otherwise would indicate that perhaps your brain is a little dope addled.
        
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        March 5, 2019 8:00pm
    - Pascal
      
      [[ Last year we had a young man killed on his bike by a young woman breaching her license conditions while “stoned”.]]
      
      The young man also ran a red light, wasn’t wearing protective headgear and had earbuds in. The young woman was also drunk on alcohol.
      
      Was cannabis to blame for the accident?
      
      It certainly contributed, but so did running that red light, her drinking and his lack of protective gear. The right thing is not to try and restrict and prohibit a variety of substances, but to increase the penalties for mis-use.
      
      People should be free to do what they want as long as there is no harm to others. And once you’ve harmed somebody, you should pay for that. Harshly.
      
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      March 5, 2019 10:57pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    He is. Just because you do not agree with it doesn’t mean that others don’t.
    
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    March 6, 2019 9:50am
RRM

Prodigy frontman dead, 49…

https://i.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/111024409/prodigy-singer-keith-flint-dies-aged-49
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March 5, 2019 4:20pm
toby1845

I took a group into Parliament today for Q time. As we came out, I passed Jacinda Ardern coming the other way. I would have to say I was shocked at how drawn and stressed she looked. She looks like she has aged 20 years in 18 months.

I don’t have any sympathy for her, as the (obvious) solution is in her own hands. But those around her need to do the decent thing
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March 5, 2019 5:50pm
- Swifty
  
  Another reason to ensure MPs have a proven history before elevating them to positions of leadership.
  
  Otherwise how can you be sure they’ll hack it?
  
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  March 5, 2019 6:14pm
  - DigNap15
    
    She does have a proven history!
    She worked in a fish and chip shop
    And she ran some communist pardy organisation.
    
    May they also need to have pronunciation tests as well!
    
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    March 5, 2019 7:14pm
- pentwig
  
  Toby
  Who cares?
  She is hell bent on ruining our country through her misguided ideology.
  I wish her no good fortune at all, in fact she is the most evil politician we have in parliament at present bar none.
  Imagine being Neve with that for a mother.
  Poor kid will have black eyes forever the way Mum throws her hands around when talking.
  Buggar, Comrade I must calm down.
  Psycho one – any spare pills?
  
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  March 5, 2019 7:09pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Based on his posts I would guess that either run out or is over prescribing.
    
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    March 5, 2019 8:03pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Glad she turned up.
  
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  March 6, 2019 9:56am
Universal Smith

Ardern looks awful. To me, her appearance, manner and speech, all indicate drug use combined with a persistent mental health issue. It seems to be getting worse.
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March 5, 2019 5:50pm
- Inandout
  
  US:
  ‘Signs of cocaine abuse include:
  
  Excitability
  Dilated pupils
  Runny nose
  Weight loss
  Mood swings
  Social isolation
  Risky behaviors
  Nosebleeds
  Boost in confidence
  Talkative habits
  
  Changes in sleeping and eating patterns
  White powder residue around the nose and mouth
  Burn marks on the hands and lips
  Deterioration in hygiene habits
  Financial difficulties
  Loss of interest in things that once brought joy
  Increased need for privacy
  Spoons, razor blades, plastic baggies and other drug paraphernalia in the person’s room or clothing pockets’
  
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  March 5, 2019 6:31pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Plus speaking (and thinking and acting) very s l o w l y when they get older
    
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    March 5, 2019 7:12pm
  - Scooter
    
    I’ve noticed she wipes her nose alot.
    
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    March 5, 2019 9:26pm
- KevOB
  
  Ardern may be experiencing post baby depression. She is certainly strained.
  
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  March 5, 2019 8:43pm
  - sam green
    
    Haha. KevOB is paid for this shit. Constant throughout the election period. Him and Kkkkaty – their role is to paint the PM as unstable. Classic CT.
    
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    March 6, 2019 12:17am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Also indicative of stress.
  
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  March 6, 2019 9:57am
nasska

Hardly a week goes by without some Godstruck knowall telling us how cannabis users are at a heightened risk of schizophrenia & psychotic episodes. Following a link, I unearthed research which points out that although it is generally accepted that:

“a) increased relative risk of psychotic outcomes for frequent cannabis users compared to those who have never used cannabis between 1.8 and 3.1.

b) a substantial rise in UK cannabis use from the mid-1970s.

c) elevated risk of 20 years from first use of cannabis.”

The actuality is that:

…..”Between 1996 and 2005 the incidence and prevalence of schizophrenia and psychoses were either stable or declining. “….

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/26325036_Assessing_the_impact_of_cannabis_use_on_trends_in_diagnosed_schizophrenia_in_the_United_Kingdom_from_1996_to_2005

So a rise in cannabis availability & use actually coincided with no increase or a decline in mental illness.

Next urban myth please!
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- Tall Man
  
  “One swallow does not a summer make.”
  
  https://www.verywellmind.com/why-do-teens-use-marijuana-63543
  
  https://www.healthline.com/health-news/cannabis-may-be-worse-than-alcohol-for-teens
  
  https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-athletes-way/201403/heavy-marijuana-use-alters-teenage-brain-structure
  
  Alcohol is legal for 18 plus to purchase but it is well documented that many much younger teens now have greater access to alcohol than ever before.
  
  Do you really believe “dope” will become less accessible for uder age users than currently.
  
  Would you be happy for your own young teens to be partaking regularly? I would not.
  
  The “referendum is supposed to be about legalising cannabis for medical use only.
  
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  March 5, 2019 6:15pm
  - Universal Smith
    
    Hey mouse parts, forget all the links, what does your bible say about it?
    
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    March 5, 2019 6:19pm
    - Tall Man
      
      The fact the you need to play the man rather than post an argument shows that my initial assessment of you was correct, you’re a waste of space.
      
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      March 5, 2019 8:06pm
  - ABS
    
    Who’s policing what age users the gang members are selling to? The facts are currently you have to go to the black market to purchase it and theyre not just selling dope. When was friends with a high level drug seller many years ago, there were kids turning up in school uniform to purchase weed.
    IF cannabis was to be decriminalized, any and all profits taxed should be used to educate users on drug harm and to provide counselling for those who require it. I will be first to admit its not a harmless drug as its portrayed to be but its a damn sight safer than alcohol or synthetics.
    
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    March 5, 2019 6:22pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Yes, you do have to go to the “black market” or more correctly deal with a person breaking the law.
      
      This in itself is a form of deterrent for many kids but maybe you think all school kids are comfortable approaching a “gang thug” to do business. I do not think that.
      
      I am fully aware that there is a “market” where older kids buy the dope and on sell it at a higher price but again, it is less available and accessed that you may think.
      
      However you or ardern the liar or the golly green portray this, legalisation will increase the exposure to younger users. If you are comfortable about that then you will know how to vote but my understanding is that the referendum is whether to legalise cannabis for medicinal purposes but I may be wrong.
      
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      March 5, 2019 8:16pm
      - ABS
        
        You have misconstrued my argument as support for Ardern. I despise the airhead and for the last 3 elections have voted 2 ticks blue. I volunteered for Chris Bishop last election.
        However if Simon Bridges rules out even asking the questions around marijuana use in NZ before the question is even asked get ready for 3 more years of the coalition from hell. Because then marijuana will get decriminalized whether anyone here likes it or not.
        
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        March 6, 2019 7:34am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      And it shouldn’t be referred to as synthetic cannabis, that is misleading.
      
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      March 6, 2019 10:01am
  - nasska
    
    …..”it is well documented that many much younger teens now have greater access to alcohol than ever before”…..
    
    Define “than ever before”. In my teenage years (1960s) it was never a problem to obtain alcohol. If we couldn’t buy it ourselves then someone else would.
    
    …..”Do you really believe “dope” will become less accessible for uder age users than currently.”……
    
    It will be no more & no less accessible than it is now. Teenagers have better info networks than we do.
    
    …..”Would you be happy for your own young teens to be partaking regularly?”…..
    
    Hypothetical but do you sincerely believe that laws are going to stop them?
    
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    March 5, 2019 6:23pm
    - ABS
      
      Tall Man is either wilfully stupid or stupidly naive if he thinks kids arent getting weed but him and his ilk are exactly what is wrong with the country.
      
      WONT YOU THINK OF THE KIDS!!!!!
      
      Ah yeah, I am. Thats why I want marijuana controlled and wrested from the criminals cold dead hands. Doesn’t bother me either way I can buy weed or P or Synth or any manner of drugs at any time (I don’t). Because the law is not fucking working. But lets repeat the same mistakes for another 60 years and eventually all the wowsers will be dead and rather than having a say in the matter, their opinions won’t count.
      
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      March 5, 2019 6:39pm
      - nasska
        
        They come from the same mindset who reckoned that if single women were denied the contraceptive pill then they wouldn’t have sex. The same mental defectives who think that if abortion is illegal there won’t be any. They think that if we are forced to die screaming in pain that their imaginary Skydaddy will reward them in heaven.
        
        Totalitarian law coupled with draconian enforcement is their standard answer to anything & everything that disturbs their pathetic comfort zone!
        
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        March 5, 2019 6:48pm
    - Tall Man
      
      It has always been possible to obtain alcohol if you were brave, big or had mates but those issues also worked as a deterrent for many kids.
      
      Your opinion is that it will “be no more and no less than it is now”.
      
      I disagree as is my right.
      
      Do I believe that laws are going to stop them. Yes, I sincerely lelieve that some kids are stopped by those laws. The fear of a conviction barring them from some overseas destinations is a deterrent in my opinion and if removed will lead to more use more often.
      
      https://watermark.silverchair.com/pxx017.pdf?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAAjgwggI0BgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggIlMIICIQIBADCCAhoGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQMpYPuc8xIbycAVnHXAgEQgIIB64hESAzvIsrcFYTubFyraIlxucfVXQJAF3jra5qRTb4IDRtQSOdsZ5f0AoXU6bh6cX5jSAy24QdLllkNTVrAudRQqFP2BrfUtJGWXA_OMrpy3ih7jTXeO-QQfDpqjDT74hLJ3agKoqUghW1_46ac3sqPOsRi1g5k5rjNGh_gZsy7BfGyJwnfG4BxniMh2KCf4cTHvu61l2OUI1DUtKKnAGglbNwRXe9ByTIBXlMxLRphch6Suc_-YyROxUSDHwTes5sLFyljFtleaPeHF7nlxteZNdNLtgCjiOL17ngswSZBvLub4QAyY0DWc2giTVJS4bKiphFxQ4-gzeETt4SX3qabgEMSld_e8vA_tjZFEUR_tkGq6eNUl7EmYG_EXKcBNpuDbq7pDLyVP8AX3uTvIPment1SkY9aZfPEkQQBBpXYfqCU9HJbJdQsxuQGAad1SdJPg4cU0PDAaXT6kL0LF200co2OdWoFIiRTdTAu8MYOgex8tAqfBSHs_Wv_ybr50qMFdTysIlhc37Fhc8ijltgzioekAwTNZ_IFAEQjzQYQLV5CkmX1tQ9k58NdMt3yCliEDT7w8mzMweaZJaz2fTfQKOLI8AJkT-UnAqbPwT-roARoXW5AdUcI7b4Z4Z0L9d05VBCRJsJxjmCX
      
      This link from Canada references their oncerns and in particular “indigenous” youth which is similar to here.
      
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      March 5, 2019 8:30pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Hold your horses there Tall Man.
    What’s the referendum supposed to be about?
    
    Bennett stands up in the house on a weekly basis and asks SLG about the cannabis referendum.
    What will the question be that is put to referendum?
    
    SLG insists they haven’t decided that yet, but repeats that there will be plenty of information available in plenty of time for the public to consider their response.
    
    Wanna buy my bridge?
    
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    March 5, 2019 11:59pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I don’t disagree with you but the initial “feed” was around medical marijuana and at this stage I cannot see wynston the thief pushing for a full decriminalisation decision.
      
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      March 6, 2019 8:09am
- KevOB
  
  I have seen at first hand what even passive smoking of cannabis can do. It may not affect everyone but those it does can be destroyed.
  
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  March 5, 2019 8:40pm
  - stigie
    
    We have all seen what alcohol can do and yet the young still get pissed and poisoned by the stuff that puts them in A+E every Friday/Saturday nights taking up valuable time the doctors don’t need.
    No one has ever died from cannabis and you can’t overdose on the stuff, there’s a lot out there that think P has the same problems.
    People need to realize the synthetic cannabis and P are worlds away from the small harm cannabis would do !~
    
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    March 5, 2019 9:03pm
Swifty

The notorious right-wing shill, capitalist running-dog Audrey Young points out Bridges got the better of Cindy in the house today:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12209774

(Saved you a post ztev/Muttonbird.) 🙂

Edit – forgot to address to ztev
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March 5, 2019 6:18pm
- Universal Smith
  
  That was wonderful to watch. She behaved like a bitchy 16 year old caught telling lies. Ardern really is trashy.
  
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  March 5, 2019 6:25pm
  - DigNap15
    
    She never once answered a direct quesdion.
    
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    March 5, 2019 7:10pm
    - ABS
      
      She never has. It’s all deflection and obfuscation.
      
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      March 5, 2019 7:13pm
      - mandk
        
        and she’s still claiming to have business insights on the basis of having served in a fish and chip shop
        
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        March 5, 2019 7:24pm
- Inandout
  
  I must admit Simon has discovered he has gonads.
  
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  March 5, 2019 6:29pm
  - Swifty
    
    My Dodge has a quite old In-N-Out burger logo on the rear bumper a bit like this one:
    
    https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.incimages.com%2Fuploaded_files%2Fimage%2F970x450%2Fgetty_546065892_200013311653767347564_377998.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.inc.com%2Fbill-murphy-jr%2Fin-n-out-burger-has-a-truly-insane-problem-that-almost-no-other-company-has-and-it-keeps-popping-up.html&docid=np4jIGhMrJR4ZM&tbnid=9iZOuki6fa-MiM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwiTl-rqourgAhXY73MBHX5rBW8QMwiVASgcMBw..i&w=970&h=450&bih=625&biw=1366&q=inandout%20burger%20logo&ved=0ahUKEwiTl-rqourgAhXY73MBHX5rBW8QMwiVASgcMBw&iact=mrc&uact=8
    
    My mate cut off the ‘b’ and ‘r’ in burger and women, it’s always women, ask ‘Swifty what does that mean ‘In-N-Out URGE’?’
    
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    March 5, 2019 6:34pm
- Swifty
  
  Sarckie, snarky, nasty.
  
  She doesn’t like it up ’em.
  
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  March 5, 2019 6:29pm
- MrTips
  
  Yeah, saw that although I suspect Young wrote that through gritted teeth.
  
  It’s like this Cindy: this dog of a CGT will be your CoLs defining moment.
  
  Read between the lines on that one sweetie.
  
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  March 5, 2019 6:57pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Brilliant stuff! Love it!
  
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  March 5, 2019 8:23pm
Hugh Pavletich

… CHINA …

It Begins: China’s Largest Property Developer Will Sell All Homes At A 10% Discount | Zero Hedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-04/it-begins-chinas-largest-properties-developer-will-sell-all-homes-10-discount

Thousands Fired By Chinese Tech Companies Amid Sudden Breakout In Austerity | Zero Hedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-04/thousands-fired-chinese-tech-companies-amid-sudden-breakout-austerity

Deflationary Red Alert: Chinese Car Dealers Are Slashing Prices, And It’s Not Helping | Zero Hedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-04/deflationary-red-alert-chinese-car-dealers-are-slashing-prices-and-its-not-helping
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March 5, 2019 6:58pm
Swifty

For engine enthusiasts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXskxbJFvvs
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March 5, 2019 7:03pm
- Universal Smith
  
  Labour & Greens want all of that banned.
  
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  March 5, 2019 7:17pm
kevn

Bridges has cracked it with his NGO Socialist Youth query of JA.
Wish I was there.
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March 5, 2019 7:18pm
- sooty
  
  If she was spinning last week, just imagine the horse running around the paddock after that!
  
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  March 5, 2019 7:23pm
- Viking2
  
  Even Audrey decided that he got the upper hand but trev decided that wouldn’t do and started banishing people after Gerry spoofed Winston who calls himself a business man. all funny.
  
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  March 5, 2019 7:24pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  So The Prime Minister has experience of hiring and firing folks…
  
  Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: I stand by the fact that I have worked in small businesses, that I have been in charge of hiring and firing, and I’d be interested in how many times he’s had to do that as a Crown prosecutor.
  Q.1.
  
  Wonder how long before she starts firing some of her advisors…
  
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  March 5, 2019 9:09pm
  - Ultima
    
    Explaining is loosing Cindy. Doesn’t matter how well you polish your CV, its still a turd.
    
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    March 5, 2019 9:17pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    You may have missed several of DPF’s posts about staffing changes in the PM’s office.
    
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    March 5, 2019 9:19pm
    - skyblue
      
      And my email to them.
      
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      March 5, 2019 11:44pm
  - Viking2
    
    I can imagine the process.
    Screaming at the top of her voice in a nasty manner”you’re fired”.
    
    The promptly, wearing a scowl,dumping her body into a seat with a big huumph.
    
    Had to learn that trick somewhere.
    
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    March 5, 2019 9:19pm
    - Ultima
      
      No, she has a BComs degree. So after screaming “you’re fired”, she’ll follow it up with email, txt, facebook post, and instagram.
      
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      March 5, 2019 9:32pm
  - rangitoto
    
    She learned the hiring and firing by watching her mentor Donald Trump on the Apprentice.
    
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    March 5, 2019 9:25pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Maggy, Does the PM get the chance to fire her advisors? Or are they queuing at the door to get out?
    Plenty of staff changes in her office.
    Does she keep the hiring/firing practise up by changing staff weekly?
    
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    March 5, 2019 11:47pm
JibberJabber

Cowardly West too weak to punish its ISIS recruits – so hands dirty work off to Third World justice.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/453013-shamima-begum-isis-iraq/
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March 5, 2019 7:39pm
- Universal Smith
  
  Why punish ISIS for doing what we support and enable Saudi Arabia to do?
  
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  March 5, 2019 7:41pm
Viking2

Did we notice that Little Andrew announced that he was all for changing the 5
% threshold?
And did we notice that Jacinda said it ain’t going to happen?
Then Winston had his say.

a bit like the CPG.
Shaw says lets get it done.
Sadcinda said well maybe.
Winston said not on our watch.

Harmony in the group not.
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March 5, 2019 8:44pm
Lee C

I’ve met many crims who wail that they are in jail for ‘having a joint’ but some high court judge gets community service for driving his car into a bus queue while drunk. This sounds like a high moral argument.
… Except few (if any) go to jail for ‘having a joint’ in NZ. The reality is that the police use the fact that cannabis is illegal to tack on extra length of sentencing onto other harder drug-crimes for people who have been such fuckwits, that frankly they deserve it.
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March 5, 2019 8:46pm
- nasska
  
  Crap!
  
  Last year one of this blog’s top legal eagles replied to David Garrett thus:
  
  “Graeme Edgeler
  
  Happy to claim the $100 whenever you have it spare ?
  
  Will flick you the OIA I have response via email. I made the request in 2014 after a news story said (or advocacy group in a news story said?) there were lots of people sentenced to prison for simple possession. I thought: that doesn’t sound true, I reckon most of those people will have been people sentenced concurrently on other charges (eg three years for a burglary, one month concurrent for possession of the cannabis oil Police found when they executed the search warrant for the burglary). That was most of them, but it wasn’t all.I have five years of data (2009-2013). In 2013, there were five people imprisoned for possession of cannabis implements, where that charge was the only charge they faced, one person was imprisoned for possession of cannabis oil where that was the only charge they faced, and 11 people were imprisoned for possession of cannabis plant material where that was the only charge they faced.
  
  Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0 ReportApril 23, 2018 10:30pm
  
  “……
  
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  March 5, 2019 9:03pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Did he get his $100?
    
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    March 5, 2019 9:20pm
  - rangitoto
    
    I bet there is a lot more untold.
    
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    March 5, 2019 9:30pm
Captain Mainwaring

No Morris Oxford for a while. Has the Fraser House Union directed him to go out in sympathy with Stupidboy?
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March 5, 2019 9:22pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I’m sure he would be chuffed that you are missing him so badly.
  
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  March 5, 2019 9:28pm
Lee C

Well nasska I an’t argue with those stats. And we all know how easy it is to employ statistics to call ‘crap’…

I would only take issue with what may have motivated those incarcerations which may (and I’m not advocating in favour of it, mind) relate to other less visible aspects of each character involved. Factors may include how many previous times a person had been found in possession, whether they were dealing etc. but to be fair, I can’t really surmise.
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