General Debate 12 October 2019

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Odakyu-sen

My faith in the Nobel Peace Prize committee has been restored.
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October 12, 2019 8:03am
- record guy
  
  Yes indeed – I have looked at the voting form and could not find the category for “forlorn face in a head scarf by a PM” on the list
  
  She should get back to sorting out the sexual harassment issues in her party for a starter – I’m sure she’s hoping we have all long forgotten about thar and her cover up
  
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  October 12, 2019 8:13am
  - srylands
    
    The PM was ineligble for the prize because nominations had closed by the time that Christchurch happened. She will be eligible next time.
    
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    October 12, 2019 8:44am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Great to know. I predict she will still be as useless as she is now. Going on present form, most likely with a couple more sexual abuse cases to be covered up and, with an election looming, the possibility of another child and or, wedding.
      
      Busy days! These prizes don’t just fall in your lap donchaknow, ask Barry.
      
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      October 12, 2019 9:23am
    - sooty
      
      But the world will have moved on!
      
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      October 12, 2019 9:24am
    - rockape
      
      But she wont be PM then! She will be NZs worst exPM ever
      
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      October 12, 2019 10:44am
- John Warren
  
  Yes, somebody who, in my brief reading, actually appears to deserve it.
  
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  October 12, 2019 8:15am
- herb1
  
  I wonder if Stephen Colberts trip was arranged to make a Prime time spectacle about Ardern being announced as the winner?
  Glorius fail if it was
  
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  October 12, 2019 8:16am
  - kevn
    
    @herb… Colbert, the very low ranking chat show host? Yawn….
    
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    October 12, 2019 8:28am
    - sooty
      
      Where’s he from, what’s his show?
      
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      October 12, 2019 8:42am
      - Prince
        
        I think he’s from the USA – that country the left despise, and Ardern railed against when she was head of the Socialist cell.
        
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        October 12, 2019 9:04am
      - G152
        
        It’s a late night anti Trump rant.
        What will the left fake news have when Trump leaves office???
        Nothing but memories of losing
        
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        October 12, 2019 9:09am
      - harvey wilson
        
        Poor old Colbert, before Trump got elected he was on the verge of getting sacked and replaced by James Corden .
        Thrashwanking about Trump on air has kept his faltering career alive he must pray to god Trump is releelected . He’s the only thing that keeps him even remotely relevant
        
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        October 12, 2019 9:11am
      - sooty
        
        So he was here to interview Cindy, when she won the Nobel peace prize. But she didn’t!
        
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        October 12, 2019 10:48am
    - Straight arrow
      
      Now rated as number one late night host. He is not a nice person. in my opinion. Used to pronounce last “t” in his name, but self-identified as having French ancestry (he is 15/16 Irish, no evidence of French, so perhaps he will self-identify as Maori while he is here).
      
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      October 12, 2019 2:37pm
- Im Right
  
  Agreed OS, the Nobel Prize should be for PEACE! not for people who grab the headlines (besides, what ‘peace’ has Greta accomplished?) The Nobel Committee have changed, for the better, after the big mistake of awarding it to Obama for no other reason than being black and talking a good game when becoming POTUS, where he then increased drone strikes/stopped no war/entered US into more wars.
  I haven’t heard of this new winner, but isn’t that the point….not always the headlines grabbers but ones who strive for, and achieve, peace anywhere in the world.
  
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  October 12, 2019 8:21am
  - John Warren
    
    Little Greta has caused anything but peace, with the worldwide arguments that have erupted over her and her message.
    
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    October 12, 2019 8:35am
    - chaos
      
      Don’t blame her, she is just a puppet doing what her controllers tell her to do. I feel sorry for her because she is being manipulated badly. I don’t see her having a good outcome or living a long life
      
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      October 12, 2019 8:47am
    - Rich Prick
      
      How dare you! You have stolen my prize. How dare you!
      
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      October 12, 2019 9:08am
      - Swifty
        
        Heh
        
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        October 12, 2019 11:28am
      - calendar girl
        
        Good one, RP. After I had heard Greta Thunberg’s “How dare you!” signature line three times, I felt that she had been schooled by an adult who knew very little about the psychological subtleties of changing anyone’s views and gaining their agreement or support, probably on any subject.
        
        Since Thunberg delivered ‘her’ speech to the world (a speech which I do not believe, personally, that she wrote alone) I’ve reflected on how many other people in her so-called worldwide audience may have found her “How dare you!” challenge as distasteful and as alienating as I did. I have no idea, but I suspect that I was not in a tiny minority.
        
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        October 12, 2019 4:40pm
- Souvlaki
  
  Is it true the closing date for nominations was 31/1/19? If so…she would have been ineligible failing a change in regulations. Also…if this rumoured close off date is true…it recieved no mention…allowing the charade to continue for PR purposes!
  
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  October 12, 2019 8:25am
  - John Warren
    
    Yes, it is true. The whole concept of Cindy or little Greta getting it was nonsense from the outset, and the number of media outlets speculating on their chances without checking this very basic and publicly available fact shows them up for the charlie chumps they are.
    
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    October 12, 2019 8:39am
    - calendar girl
      
      You expect them to carry out basic ‘factual’ research for articles that they publish?
      
      When the mission that many of them choose is to steer political intentions leftwards?
      
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      October 12, 2019 9:24am
    - alwyn
      
      The rules are here. With a minor exception for current members of the selection committee the cut off for this year was 31/01/2019.
      https://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/
      You should also treat with a very large grain of salt that the fact that someone has been nominated means anything at all.
      Any current member of the New Zealand Parliament is eligible to nominate someone. If you think that some unknown Labour Backbencher would fail to carry out Ms Ardern’s wish that she should be nominated I have a large bridge I am sure you would like to buy.
      
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      October 12, 2019 10:43am
  - sooty
    
    Never mind, she can have a go next year, if she’s still around!
    
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    October 12, 2019 8:43am
    - igm
      
      Going on leaked internal poll figures, if she keeps going as currently, she will be lining up at McDonalds or Burger King for a job.
      
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      October 12, 2019 10:13am
      - sooty
        
        It’s going to be a mad scramble, with all of them twits after a job. Just as well maccas have lots of branches or it would be down to be a trolly dolly at countdown!
        
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        October 12, 2019 12:44pm
  - Paulus
    
    Cindy
    Next Year in Jerusalem !
    
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    October 12, 2019 8:44am
    - sooty
      
      She would love been there!
      Marama never got there!
      
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      October 12, 2019 10:49am
  - srylands
    
    Yes it is correct. Jacinda may be nominated for the next round where the prize is awarded. So these ‘celebrations’ of the wisdom of the Nobel Committee are based on a false premise.
    
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    October 12, 2019 8:47am
    - John Warren
      
      To a point. But Abiy Ahmed does seem to be a good choice.
      
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      October 12, 2019 9:29am
  - Prince
    
    So it takes 9 months from nominations close to announcement of a winner.
    I guess that fits – so many working groups, squads, committees, reviews, meetings, conferences.
    
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    October 12, 2019 9:09am
  - Steve Todd
    
    “In order for a nomination to be valid, it must be submitted no later than January 31. Submissions are made through an online form.
    
    “Members of the Nobel Committee may add further names to the list during their first meeting after the nomination process is closed.” (See https://www.nobelpeaceprize.org/Nomination.)
    
    So, both Jacinda Ardern and Greta Thunberg could theoretically have been in the running for this year’s prize, but, realistically, neither were.
    
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    October 12, 2019 9:35am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yeah,
  ” He spent his first 100 days as Prime Minister lifting the country’s state of emergency, granting amnesty to thousands of political prisoners, discontinuing media censorship, legalising outlawed opposition groups, dismissing military and civilian leaders who were suspected of corruption, and significantly increasing the influence of women in Ethiopian political and community life. ”
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2019/oct/11/nobel-peace-prize-greta-thunberg-abiy-ahmed-jacinda-ardern-among-those-tipped-win-live-news
  
  Now what did our PM do in her first 100 days?
  
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  October 12, 2019 8:28am
  - pdm
    
    `Now what did our PM do in her first 100 days?’
    
    Appointed 20 working groups!!!!!
    
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    October 12, 2019 8:36am
    - sooty
      
      Employed the sexual deviate/rapist in her own office even. Let’s do this, perverts for everyone!
      
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      October 12, 2019 8:46am
      - igm
        
        Put on stupid headgear when “Something” happened in Christchurch. Has she put headgear on for the poor buggers attacked by her muslim fraternity in Britain?
        
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        October 12, 2019 9:13am
      - Nutta
        
        No, that was much more recent.
        
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        October 12, 2019 9:58am
    - oldgolfer
      
      Smiled.
      
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      October 12, 2019 9:09am
  - harvey wilson
    
    Looks like he might have actually stared down the Chinese over their “loans” too
    https://www.theafricareport.com/11080/ethiopias-china-challenge/#targetText=In%20August%202018%2C%20Chinese%20paper,in%20full%20operation%20in%20Ethiopia.
    
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    October 12, 2019 9:17am
  - cmm
    
    corruption, political prisoners, oppression of women…
    
    I don’t believe it. Impossible. Ethiopia was never colonized. They would still be perfect.
    
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    October 12, 2019 9:25am
    - mandk
      
      Abyssinia?
      
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      October 12, 2019 9:43am
    - Hacked-Off
      
      Hi cmm,
      Ethiopia/Abyssinia was invaded/colonized by Italy in 1936 until 1941.
      
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      October 12, 2019 10:34am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Yes, very brief occupation and ended when British forces threw the Italians out early in WW2. The invasion and conquest was the final straw that destroyed the League of Nations.
        
        Interestingly enough there is one enduring and positive legacy for the Italian occupation – the most important water source still for the capital Addis Ababa is a dam constructed (and paid for) by the Italians. Before that there was a far less reliable and less secure set of small water sources and there was a chronic shortage of water. A lot of Ethiopia is dry even though the Blue Nile has its source in the North East sector of the country.
        
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        October 12, 2019 11:12am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        We went to the Blue Nile Falls when we were in Ethiopia in 2008. They are a shadow of their former selves, due to water being diverted from the river for hydroelectricity.
        
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        October 12, 2019 11:38am
      - cmm
        
        An invasion is not the same as a colonisation.
        
        Would you say France was colonised by Germany?
        
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        October 12, 2019 12:55pm
      - cmm
        
        It is interesting that they use English as their language for instruction in secondary schools. They voluntarily adopted that.
        
        The Italian occupation didn’t imprint apart from a few buildings.
        
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        October 12, 2019 3:00pm
- Monique Watson
  
  Two Words: Copycat Shootings. I’m sure the committee would have been aware of the effect of unintended consequences of highlighting the Christchurch Massacre on the world stage unlike Jacinda Ardern.
  
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  October 12, 2019 8:38am
oldpark

Yes not to worry. There is always next year for “deeds of daring do” to be acknowledged and rewarded with A Nobel Peace Prize.Nuff said.
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October 12, 2019 8:09am
- Sacha
  
  ‘derring-do’. Definition from Cambridge dictionary: Brave action taken without considering the danger involved.
  
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  October 12, 2019 9:31am
  - oldpark
    
    Yes comes from the tv yarn .My Little Pony.
    
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    October 12, 2019 10:31am
  - sooty
    
    Yep. That’s our Cindy, on the front line!
    
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    October 12, 2019 10:53am
Happychappy

Hamish Price has upset David McCormack and the left with his post on Jacinda Ardern and why she will end up being second to last in the Noble Prize vote.
https://mobile.twitter.com/hamishpricenz/status/1182370624804536321
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October 12, 2019 8:10am
- sooty
  
  Well done that man! Buy him a Tui!
  
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  October 12, 2019 10:54am
G152

I was worried that some freak would get it as a feel good.
Sanity prevails
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October 12, 2019 8:10am
Rodney Randall

TRUMP 2020
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October 12, 2019 8:12am
- stephieboy
  
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  TRUMP 2020
  
  ????
  
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  October 12, 2019 9:40am
  - sooty
    
    Glad you agree, stephie!
    He’s going to romp home and be President again!
    
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    October 12, 2019 10:57am
- rangitoto
  
  and 2024, 2028.
  
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  October 12, 2019 10:30am
  - stephieboy
    
    An incumbent President can only run for office twice. The GOP , made sure of that due to FDR winning multiple times.
    
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    October 12, 2019 2:16pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Wrong. The constitution is not set in stone.
      
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      October 12, 2019 4:18pm
calendar girl

So the Nobel Peace Prize for 2019 has now been awarded. There doesn’t appear to be a mention in international media of PM Ardern as being a possible winner, despite a local build-up of hopes and expectations in NZ media and on blog sites.

Most people are unaware that there were 301 nominations for the 2019 Nobel Peace Prize (223 individuals and 78 organizations). So our PM’s nomination (if indeed there was one; there is confidentiality imposed for 50 years on the names of nominees ) was a long shot at best.
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October 12, 2019 8:26am
- tf78
  
  Plus the fact that nominations closed on 31 Jan this year and Chch didn’t happen until March.
  
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  October 12, 2019 8:32am
  - cmm
    
    Sure, but 15 March happened before the selection.
    
    She could have been nominated for her Manus Island Oz-baiting, then by the time actual selection happened (probably a long process over the last 9 months), 15 March had happened.
    
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    October 12, 2019 9:28am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Nominations for the 2019 award closed on 31 January 2019, so as far as her response to the Christchurch terrorist attack went, Ardern was never in the running.
  
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  October 12, 2019 8:32am
  - sooty
    
    Dollar down and a dollar late!
    Yep, that’s her to a TEE!
    
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    October 12, 2019 8:48am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      anal retentive here
      but
      isn’t the saying
      A day late and a dollar short?
      Seems to be able to be applied to everything she does.
      
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      October 12, 2019 12:19pm
- srylands
  
  Well if she was nominated it was not for her Christchurch deeds. Nominations closed in January. Why can’t journalists do the most basic of fact checking?
  
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  October 12, 2019 8:51am
  - chaos
    
    The rumour of Cindy being nominated started I think in Aussie didn’t it as a joke on a new broadcast.
    
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    October 12, 2019 9:15am
    - sooty
      
      By Jonesy!
      
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      October 12, 2019 9:27am
chaos

* One peace expert told The Washington Post, however, that it was not entirely a surprise the Nobel Committee passed over Thunberg in favour of Ahmed, despite the teenager’s overwhelming popularity.

The head of the Peace Research Institute Oslo, Henrik Urdal, told The Post that he left Thunberg off the Nobel Peace Prize shortlist he suggested to the prize committee because there “isn’t scientific consensus that there is a linear relationship between climate change – or resource scarcity, more broadly – and armed conflict.”*

https://www.businessinsider.com/greta-thunberg-nobel-peace-prize-why-she-didnt-win-2019-10#Ar28Yu5TCVqxKvre.99
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October 12, 2019 8:49am
- John Warren
  
  But… January 31st. It’s all nonsense. Greta supposedly being nominated in March was at least a month after the deadline. Direct copy/paste from the Nobel website: “Nomination deadline is 31 January at 12 midnight CET.”
  
  Cindy and little Greta might be considered for next year’s prize (other considerations aside), if nominated after the deadline. And if anybody still cares about them by then.
  
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  October 12, 2019 9:38am
Maggy Wassilieff

We could all nominate her for 2020 Prize.

https://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/

(Oh, woops…. maybe not most of us…
Any MPs or History, Sociology, Law Professors here?
I s’pose I could rejoin WILPF and try & get on the Exec.)
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October 12, 2019 8:56am
- chaos
  
  Why not just nominate her for a booby prize, it is about all she is worth
  
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  October 12, 2019 9:10am
- stephieboy
  
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  Not sure the point you are trying to make bit no worries aplenty got Nobel prizes in the physical and hard sciences 2019,,
  
  eg ,
  
  2019 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine
  
  William G. Kaelin Jr., Sir Peter J. Ratcliffe and Gregg L. Semenza won the 2019 Nobel Prize in physiology or medicine. The trio “identified molecular machinery that regulates the activity of genes in response to varying levels of oxygen,” according to The Nobel Assembly. Their work, says the Assembly, has “paved the way for promising new strategies to fight anemia, cancer and many other diseases.”
  
  https://time.com/5694094/nobel-prize-winners-2019/
  
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  October 12, 2019 9:50am
  - rangitoto
    
    SB. Read first. If there are any words you don’t understand then look them up in a dictionary. You may then be ready to post a reply that has some relevance to the post you are replying to.
    
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    October 12, 2019 10:35am
    - stephieboy
      
      Plenty of people on the Noble Peace Prize committee come from a diverse range of backgrounds and endeavours and they certainly appear to have got it right this time around as they have in the past.
      
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      October 12, 2019 11:22am
MCos

“I think I’m going to get a Nobel Prize for a lot of things, if they gave it out fairly, which they don’t,” Donald Trump told reporters while meeting with Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan at the United Nations.

At least we know why President Trump didn’t win the prize.
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October 12, 2019 9:01am
- mandk
  
  And we know that Obama won for the colour of his skin, not the content of his character.
  
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  October 12, 2019 9:40am
  - stephieboy
    
    mandk, rubbish! Certainly, the colour of his skin had something do with it given the fact that he was the first elected President in the US to achieve this.
    
    Thought impossible and unelectable before.
    
    The content of his character had everything to do with it given the lies and abuse heaped on him subsequent to his election.
    
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    October 12, 2019 11:27am
    - lilman
      
      Steph Obama was a useless President.
      Just a coward.
      
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      October 12, 2019 2:56pm
- Tall Man
  
  You mean because it has been 11 years since a whitey won?
  
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  October 12, 2019 1:18pm
Fletch

A Kiwi-born scientist changes his mind on global warming…

https://medium.com/@ProfByron/how-i-changed-my-mind-about-global-warming-f603a8aca3da
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October 12, 2019 9:22am
- stephieboy
  
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  Fletch,
  
  Is this the scientist?
  
  Byron Sharp
  Professor of Marketing Science & Director Ehrenberg-Bass Institute, University of South Australia. Tweets marketing, science, sceptical thinking.
  
  Marketing science??
  
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  October 12, 2019 9:43am
  - Fletch
    
    You probably have a point there. But that was how he was described on the Facebook post I saw.
    
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    October 12, 2019 10:21am
    - rockape
      
      But he isnt the only one is he?
      
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      October 12, 2019 12:29pm
    - Peter S
      
      He does not have a point really. The Sharp was commenting on the statistical mechanisms for handling the predictions, (which he is better qualified on than the climate scientists, as that is a core part of his discipline, while statistics is a tool in studying climate rather than the subject of it ), and the way the results are presented.
      
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      October 12, 2019 12:29pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    steph, you certainly don’t come here for the upticks.
    Why do you bother?
    
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    October 12, 2019 12:05pm
  - Peter S
    
    Yes, marketing science. He even makes that point in his (very well thought out and well articulated) article. You should actually read it.
    
    The principle behind cross disciplinary evaluation and commenting is a well established one in science. The article even addresses that (again, suggest you read it).
    
    He highlights problems surrounding predictive statistics (something that is an area of expertise he does have), and his concerns around the failure of climate scientists to use the best practice tools and techniques that are used across pretty much every other scientific discipline.
    
    The other thing you missed is that he was in no way arguing against the base science, only the way the data is handled to then make predictions .
    
    By the way. How well qualified is Greta to comment?
    
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    October 12, 2019 12:23pm
  - herb1
    
    Your opinion may have some validity if you were consistent in your acceptance of the opinion of all climate scientists.
    Instead , your lot simply reject any science , regardless of the qualifications of the author , if it dosent fit your media , political or schoolgirl based opinion.
    
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    October 12, 2019 1:47pm
- Nutta
  
  He wouldn’t be welcome to publish his views on Stuff…
  
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  October 12, 2019 10:05am
  - Tall Man
    
    He’s not as qualified as greta FFS.
    
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    October 12, 2019 1:16pm
- Ruahine
  
  Yes. I just fail to be convinced that 410 ppm of Co2 in the atmosphere the gas that allows all that vegetation such as crops and trees that allow ecosystem to prosper is going to result in uncontrollable heating that will turn the Earth into another Venus or maybe another Mars as has been predicted. If the words may, or could, or possibly, or likely to, carry any scientific validity.
  
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  October 12, 2019 11:12am
- Kabull
  
  I would give his change of mind even more credibility if he were to accept that CO2 IS NOT dangerous, and is not causing climate change.
  
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  October 12, 2019 1:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The trouble with psychobabblers venturing into Climate science.

It runs the full gamut from:

Silly puff eco-babble:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/116465178/please-dont-tell-young-people-to-calm-down-about-ecoanxiety

through to disturbing “expert opinion”

“Punitive Political Psychiatry” Coming To Germany? Leading Journal Defines Climate Science Dissent A Psychological Disorder
https://notrickszone.com/

Right up to the FINAL SOLUTION:
https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/prof-richard-parncutt-death-penalty-for-global-warming-deniers/
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October 12, 2019 9:41am
- Sacha
  
  Oh dear. I’ll put these articles away until I feel up to the challenge. I don’t feel like spoiling a sunny Saturday morning.
  
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  October 12, 2019 9:48am
- The King
  
  It is interesting to watch, much like the term ‘holocaust’ which was never mentioned until the 1970’s, then 30 years of propaganda through movies and fictional accounts like bears and eagles and we now have a religion known as ‘holocaustianity’ where i’m not allowed to question 1 guy who said Germans threw jews into cages with bears and eagles. Ive just got to 100% believe this guy… even if 40 years later he said he just made it up. It doesn’t matter if i don’t believe it i’m the devil!
  
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  October 12, 2019 10:20am
  - Jack5
    
    Maggie, with your mention of “final solution” you’ve triggered ~~Kea~~ ? The King.
    
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    October 12, 2019 11:33am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I do not accept any responsibility for other folks’ posts here on KB.
      
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      October 12, 2019 2:27pm
      - The King
        
        Notice he never said “King you are wrong”.
        
        I get that alot. People who don’t handle the truth move right into personal attacks.
        
        I’m the wooden door on the imaginary gas chamber.
        
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        October 12, 2019 6:55pm
- Kabull
  
  Verity Johnson’s narrow, childish article is part of the problem around how children become disturbed. Johnson has no idea of the reality of the climate debate, and is obviously fully immersed in the propaganda. This is an illustration of her blindness:
  But the thing to remember is that, however overblown you might find our expressions, the sentiment beneath them is still valid.
  All the news suggests we shouldn’t be calming down. The research all points to the fact that we should be standing up and getting very, very worried about climate change. We should be firing up, demanding change and coming up with solutions. So it’s not very effective to be told to calm down when the facts paint such a grim picture.
  Get out, Verity, and seek some alternate views before you swallow the discredited screams of the globalists.
  
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  October 12, 2019 1:18pm
ldypen

So some hack that has a talk show in the USA was invited to NZ by our less than useless PM and the media has lapped it up.. really this country acts just like a small city where any little thing of no relevance is reported as a “huge” deal we really are pathetic.. what other countries head of state would invite a talk show host over and actually meet and spend time with them… what a fu5king joke!
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October 12, 2019 9:49am
- kowtow
  
  Silent “t” at the end of his name is so pretentious.
  
  What a cun.
  
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  October 12, 2019 10:15am
- Inandout
  
  Idypen, most yanks think NZ is a state of Aussie. If only….
  
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  October 12, 2019 10:46am
- sooty
  
  Are we paying?
  Did he fly commercial?
  
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  October 12, 2019 11:00am
- rockape
  
  I would love Trump to invite himself to NZ. What a dilemma for Jacinda!
  
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  October 12, 2019 12:27pm
Maggie Pie

Bro 1: “Hey, bro”

Bro 2: “Yeah bro?”

Bro 1: “Can you pass me that pamphlet bro?”

Bro 2: “Brochure”

🙂
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October 12, 2019 9:49am
artemisia

About that $7.5 billion surplus – apart from the amount being on various skids depending on what is in or out.

I have no issues with Mr Robertson taking the best possible headline, same as politicians have always done.

Time to spend it, says academic Innes Asher, on the Welfare Expert Advisory Group. Specifically, more money for landlords to upgrade their rentals –

That $7.5b means there should be sufficient funds to expand the Healthy Homes Initiative that has begun to improve the health of many children in families with very low incomes, and to ramp up efforts to ensure that every child has a healthy, secure home.

Good idea. Rents go up, landlords are ever pickier about choosing tenants, emergency motels occupancies rise.

She also refers to lost dreams and potential, caused by not enough money, obviously, in her view. Sad take on the human condition.

the walls that kept their families in poverty so that their dreams and potential could be unlocked

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116500394/govt-shouldnt-sit-on-75b-surplus-while-their-are-families-needing-help
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October 12, 2019 10:03am
- Paulus
  
  Roger Douglas says that by normal Accounting Practice the “deficit” is around $30 Billion.
  Stephen Joyce, at the time, was incorrect – it was higher than a deficit of $11 Billion he predicted.
  
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  October 12, 2019 11:22am
Paginus

Trump slide 2020 looks likely, after The God Emperor delivers this great speech on why he’s ending the Grabbler war in Syria.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U1S38lRHfH8
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October 12, 2019 10:27am
- The King
  
  He moved 50 troops from the border of Turkey, that’s hardly a ‘withdraw’
  
  But Trump supporters eat it up, hard to tell who’s more stupid these days..
  
  Trump supporters or deranged Trump haters.
  
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  October 12, 2019 11:12am
  - Paginus
    
    We get it, he’s not doing enough. But the fact he’s willing to call it a endless war and say it’s not right to be there, that is key.
    
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    October 12, 2019 11:24am
- DigNap15
  
  Thank you for that
  He is going to win with a landslide next time.
  TVNZ are going to be in overdrive
  
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  October 12, 2019 4:23pm
Maggie Pie

My partner was wondering if Countdown Supermarkets intend
setting aside special shopping times for sane people?
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October 12, 2019 10:31am
- RW Capitalist
  
  They could keep a better eye on the shoplifters.
  
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  October 12, 2019 12:27pm
- Tall Man
  
  Come on Maggie, they’d be empty…. Sane people don’t shop at Countdown anymore.
  
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  October 12, 2019 1:11pm
  - sooty
    
    11.30pm till midnight!
    
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    October 12, 2019 5:59pm
Surely Knott

Dumpling Republic. Rock Enrol targets uni students to vote with free dumpling meals stuffing both the students and the ballot box with voters from their favourite demographic. Treating? If not close to it.

Furthermore, putting ballot boxes at only those workplaces who have requested them is biased. So uni’s, councils and unions will have all organised them. Especially when the voting papers come to your house, do you bring your voting papers in from home? Surely it’s easier to fill them out at home where you received them.

For example, Waipareira Trust has been doing heavy facebook advertising of Tamihere. And then they had a Whanau Vote Day and one image showed an open table with a dozen-ish people, no separation, and looking at each others voting papers. As well as what appeared to be a sign in sheet. How does that work when your boss is running for office and there’s a sign in sheet to see who has voted?

It’s not democratic. We would be better off having a normal voting office at the local schools if this is the new way things are being done. Where everyone has an equal opportunity to vote and the campaigns to vote are to the public in general not free food for those voters in certain demographics.,
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October 12, 2019 10:44am
Inandout

I think it is about time our princess hooked onto a most watched US streaming channel, instead of CNN. And that also goes for our MSM TV.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/373814/cable-news-network-viewership-usa/
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October 12, 2019 10:44am
- stephieboy
  
  Inandout, what on earth for?
  
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  October 12, 2019 11:16am
  - Inandout
    
    stephie, a bit of balance my friend, you know the other opinion that lefties delight in shouting down.
    
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    October 12, 2019 12:02pm
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
I missed out on a treat when the Nobel Peace Prize was not awarded to either Greta or our PM. The treat would have been the paroxysm of anger and spleen splitting by the usual bunch.

However hearty congrats to the Ethiopian PM who appears to be the rightful winner and of course becoming more familiar with his good deeds and peacemaking,

Also, it might help rabid and lat righters to revise their estimation of this area of the world which otherwise has been given ” shithole” status!
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October 12, 2019 11:13am
- Jack5
  
  Because the pseudonym, Stephieboy, is shared by a syndicate, frequently the duty Stephie is not up with the play on Kiwiblog.
  
  There have been posts on different days pointing out that the Christchurch mosque massacres occurred after the close of nominations for this year’s Nobel Peace Prize.
  
  Jacinderella and the mad Swedish girl may be eligible for next year’s prize, which would be announced close to the general election.
  
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  October 12, 2019 11:27am
  - chaos
    
    Don’t play their game, they are just trolling, downvote and ignore.
    
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    October 12, 2019 11:41am
- The King
  
  Give a pig lipstick (nobel prize) it’s still a pig Stephie.
  
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  October 12, 2019 11:50am
Maggie Pie

Looks like stephie and brett have gotten their lazy arses out of bed 🙂
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October 12, 2019 11:14am
- stephieboy
  
  Maggie Pie, share with us your views about the Somalis and Ethiopians in our midst?
  
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  October 12, 2019 11:33am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    ‘Gorillas in the midst’
    
    It was one of my faves 🙂
    
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    October 12, 2019 2:58pm
    - sooty
      
      Maggie, were they in the same bed?
      
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      October 12, 2019 5:47pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Maggie Pie, no surprises there with your brazen racist prejudices blazing forth.
      
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      October 12, 2019 6:50pm
Happychappy

Sir Roger Douglas burns the Coalition and Grant Robertson with a statement that 5.7 billion surplus is really 30 billion deficit.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/government-surplus-should-actually-be-a-30-billion-deficit-sir-roger-douglas.html
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October 12, 2019 11:21am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Future liabilities for Super are an actuarial concept. It is proper for a sovereign state to pay super as they go. It is far less costly.
  
  The push for private super is to give the ticket clippers a chance. Theycan only offer lesser security and are still reliant on the development of the local economy to produce the long term funds.
  
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  October 12, 2019 4:38pm
chaos

* A former Finance Minister says if company directors did their accounts the way the Government does, they’d be in jail.

Sir Roger Douglas, the architect of the massive economic reforms of the 1980s dubbed ‘Rogernomics’, claims the recent cash surplus reported by the Government should actually be a $30 billion deficit.

“If you applied accrual accounting in the way they do in the private sector, then you would have to take in the debt for super and for healthcare for future retirees,” he told Newshub Nation on Saturday morning.

“If you did that, it’s well over $30 billion. If the private sector people kept their books like the Government, the directors would be in jail. My question is, why not the politicians?”*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/government-surplus-should-actually-be-a-30-billion-deficit-sir-roger-douglas.html
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October 12, 2019 11:25am
- Jack5
  
  What has happened to NZ’s national accounting since a few years ago it was being heralded internationally? Here’s an example from an international accounting journal five years ago (link at bottom of this post):
  
  New Zealand is regarded as the poster child of accrual accounting. “New Zealand probably comes closest to managing assets as a company would, and in some respects going even further,” Ian Ball, Chairman of the Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy, recently told The Economist. “It not only uses the accrual method but also updates its financial statements each month.”
  
  We need help from our accountancy professional posters here. The Treasury reports are full of bloody graphs and other bumph. For me, the easiest place to start was to go to the audited accounts (second link below) and work my way through as through a company’s accounts – income statement, cash flows and balance sheet (statement of financial position).
  
  What they think – perhaps used to think – of our national accounts:
  
  http://www.gaaaccounting.com/experts-weigh-in-on-pros-and-cons-of-accrual-accounting/
  
  Latest national accounts:
  
  https://treasury.govt.nz/publications/year-end/financial-statements-2018-html#child-15
  
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  October 12, 2019 12:13pm
The King

UK: 13yr old white girl talks about Muslim boys threatening to rape her in school if she doesn’t perform oral sex on them

Also talks about how Muslim men prey on them outside schools in England.

https://twitter.com/Zod14_/status/1182387257166192641
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October 12, 2019 11:28am
- Tall Man
  
  Better than the “anal” option foisted upon the “Pleasure marriage” children in Iraq.
  
  https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07qt6ws
  
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  October 12, 2019 1:29pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I presume the boys are about the same age, which makes me wonder where they learn such behaviour.
  
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  October 12, 2019 1:41pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Internet like all youngsters these days.
    
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    October 12, 2019 1:56pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I don’t imagine it is 13 year-old boys who are waiting in the cars outside the school each afternoon.
    
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    October 12, 2019 4:22pm
- DigNap15
  
  Nice!
  I despair at the UK putting up with this and things like Rotherham.
  If I was on another uncensored blog. I would say more.
  
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  October 12, 2019 4:11pm
jcuk

Today listening the 9-Noon programme on dogs the thought struck me that the way we all want more money is one of the problems with today’s world …. My wife who now lives in a pensioners’ flat would like a dog but Council says NO …. but the reason why my wife doesn’t have cat [Council permitted] is as a responsible person the possible likelihood of vet bills puts her off as she lives on a pension. I think this is rather sad.
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October 12, 2019 11:51am
- Tall Man
  
  A cat is significantly cheaper than a dog but not as good at cleaning up the floor…..
  
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  October 12, 2019 6:06pm
Happychappy

The Country’s Mayors have made more trips to China in the last 5 years than other Country’s combined with 32 Mayorshaving made 73 trips there. Councils spent nearly $250,000 on these trips with Mayors, Chinese businesses and Governments covering the rest of the costs. Not a peep of discontentment over this but when National do it all hell breaks out.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/nz-mayors-make-more-trips-china-in-past-five-years-than-all-other-countries-combined
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October 12, 2019 12:22pm
pb

The meme of socialism is a bacillus. It’s just like a versus of the Black Plague. A slow inter generation Black Plague. It has completely infected parties of the left, plenty of parties of the right, and many systems of government. Thankfully, it seems to be entering a final phase. It’s like that alien inside William Hurt. It’s been gestating for a hundred years. Once it bursts out, will we be able to push it out the airlock?
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October 12, 2019 12:29pm
RW Capitalist

I hear there is a stage one, trade agreement between China and the USA and further tariffs have been put on hold.
How does that sit with the CoL?
As they have been blaming international economics for their own incompetence.
Now it looks like the whipping boy (Trump and the USA) is now not the patsy they thought they were?
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October 12, 2019 12:31pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/11/investing/dow-stock-markets-trade-today/index.html
  
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  October 12, 2019 12:36pm
- DigNap15
  
  I don’t believe it
  Trump is not going to give up
  And the Chinese will NEVER give in to any western country or organization.
  I hope Trump ups the ante again.
  
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  October 12, 2019 4:09pm
Tall Man

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07qt6ws

Ha ha ha ha ha ha… Another lazy journalist exposed.

This just proves yet again that she and soper are not mentally capable of doing their jobs.

They make no real effort to be neutral but push the unicorn shit stardust crap when they get the ardern urge.
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October 12, 2019 1:40pm
- Swifty
  
  TM – is that the right link?
  
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  October 12, 2019 3:50pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Oops…. done a steffy there…. fucked up 😉
    
    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/video/perspective-with-heather-du-plessis-allan-pm-deserves-peace-prize/
    
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    October 12, 2019 5:44pm
    - Swifty
      
      Cool.
      
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      October 12, 2019 7:17pm
Tall Man

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/10/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-delivers-emotional-climate-change-speech.html

“Cracking voice”….. they’re all doing the greta now.

Expect more teary burbles from ardern when she “weeps” for attention..
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October 12, 2019 1:45pm
Tall Man

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/rugby-world-cup-2019/2019/10/rugby-world-cup-2019-scotland-rugby-boss-mark-dodson-takes-swipe-at-all-blacks.html

What a whinger. Of course there would be more effort to get the All Blacks on the park because more people want to watch them play than want to watch Scotland.

Anyway, who really cares if a few hundred Jappas get smashed or drowned by a silly typhoon on their way to watch the awesome immigrant “Scots” team get wopped again……
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October 12, 2019 1:49pm
- Biscuit
  
  Tall Man, and don’t forget that Scotland was against a Rugby World Cup ever getting started.
  
  From a Cup Preview I penned:
  
  Memories from Rugby World Cups
  
  1987
  
  The IRB vote (in Paris in March 1985) on an inaugural Cup proving to be a very close-run thing. South Africa ‘abstain’ (they are Apartheid-banned and aren’t gonna be invited to take part anyway), so there are 14 votes up for grabs. New Zealand, Australia and France all give their two votes each for Yay. Scotland and Ireland both give their two votes each for Nay. Wales and England both ‘split’ their votes as 1 Yay and 1 Nay and the Cup gets approval to proceed, by the b-a-r-e-s-t possible margin, 8 votes to 6
  
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  October 12, 2019 3:04pm
Straight arrow

January 2, 2020 Nominations voting opens.
Greta Thunberg and Jacinda Ardern are believed to be in the running.
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Oscars 2020.
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October 12, 2019 2:46pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Slow walking at 45 ‘a sign of faster ageing’
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-50015982
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October 12, 2019 3:22pm
- Tony Norriss
  
  I saw that article.
  
  I am 59 and walk at approx 8km per hour, so I guess I am pretty healthy.
  
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  October 12, 2019 5:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Even the parrot don’t like Greta.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuYa3zYPpMA
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October 12, 2019 4:37pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Love it.
  
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  October 12, 2019 5:21pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Another hard-hitting piece on Ardern’s hypocrisy

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/opinion-donald-trump-s-administration-just-did-something-big-for-china-s-oppressed-muslims-in-xinjiang-while-nz-is-quiet.html
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October 12, 2019 4:45pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Unlike the principled National Party?
  Todd McClay on Xinjiang: “the existence and purpose of vocational training centres is a domestic matter for the Chinese government.”
  
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  October 12, 2019 5:22pm
- Tall Man
  
  Two faced harridan.
  
  She is only interested in things that will enhance her image here and abroad.
  
  Actually standing for anything is counterproductive to that.
  
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  October 12, 2019 5:52pm
chaos

* ‘Don’t declare a climate emergency, just get stuff done’ – Dutch PM*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2019/10/don-t-declare-a-climate-emergency-just-get-stuff-done-dutch-pm.html
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October 12, 2019 5:02pm
mikenmildagain

Who’s next to be thrown under the bus?

Trump was asked if Rudy Giuliani was still his lawyer:
“I don’t know…I haven’t spoken to Rudy … He has been my attorney.”
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-distances-himself-rudy-giuliani-sdny-criminal-investigation-2019-10?r=US&IR=T
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October 12, 2019 5:13pm
mikenmildagain

Boris Johnson set for a u-turn on the Irish border question. Looks like, as many predicted, he’ll settle for slight changes to May’s deal and sell it better to the hard-core Bexiteers.
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October 12, 2019 6:12pm
- James Stephenson
  
  He’s got a chance of convincing the Brexiteers if it gets the UK out of the customs union, but if NI is still somehow inside the there’s no chance the DUP will vote for it.
  
  Looks like Labour are gearing up to betray their former core constituency and back another vote with a choice between not-Brexit and Remain. Fuck I despise them.
  
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  October 13, 2019 4:46pm
Swifty

At the whare in Avondale, grill warming up for skirt steak for tonite’s tacos, kids running around, wine flowing and listening to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8v_OC3zWCM

Peter Green’s Fleetwood Mac

Enjoy.
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October 12, 2019 6:59pm
stephieboy

Australians ‘are not silly’ and won’t buy into climate change ‘hysteria’

NSW One Nation leader Mark Latham says the majority of Australians are “not silly” and will not be fooled by the rhetoric pushed by climate activists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KArS5ArSYY4

Note this sample of priceless moronic comments from One Nation Followers,

George Smiley
3 days ago

Notice Greta Toolberg never mentions “chemtrails”, officially admitted as geoengineering, nor does she warn against 5G, let alone all the other electromagnetic pollution we create.

Climate change is a trillion dollar business. Organic food, renewable energy, recycled utensils . Air purifier, climate friendly clothing. Open your eyes. These are big lies for your deep pockets.

jessyka power
3 days ago

THEY ARE NOT CLIMATE ACTIVISTS
THEY ARE MARXISTS AND THIS IS ONLY ONE OF THEIR NEW TACTIC TO SHUT DOWN THE CAPITALIST COUNTRIES

lee harry
3 days ago

Climate change is a trillion dollar business. Organic food, renewable energy, recycled utensils . Air purifier, climate friendly clothing. Open your eyes. These are big lies for your deep pockets.

Barbara Mcderott
3 days ago

There are no CLIMATE EMERGENCY ACCORDING to 500 scientists

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Jack Richardson
3 days ago

There were 10 Climatologists that signed that letter, the usual shills from the Heartland Institute. Richard Lindzen for one, a notorious liar and fraud.
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October 12, 2019 7:16pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  All power to the sensible Australians.
  
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  October 12, 2019 9:35pm
- softail 1450
  
  Septicboy ,KB’s greatest plagiarism practitioner ,and part time animal husbandry expert…..
  
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  October 13, 2019 6:59am
Happychappy

Big Three News Reid Research Poll on Newshub tomorrow night which Tova says has suprises so get the popcorn in and see the political spectrum change.
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October 12, 2019 8:02pm
Hugh Pavletich

Global Air Freight Decline Now Worst Since 2008 Financial Crisis … Zerohedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/global-air-freight-decline-now-worst-financial-crisis

The escalating trade war between the US and China has accelerated the synchronized global downturn. Global exports continue to collapse, and the global Purchasing Managers Index (PMI) remains under 50, stuck in contraction territory. All of these ominous signals indicate a global trade recession could be imminent in 2020.

New data from the International Air Transport Association (IATA) shows global air freight volumes, measured in freight tonne kilometers (FTKs), plunged 3.9% in August YoY, and this was the tenth consecutive month of contraction and the most extended decline since the 2008 financial crisis.

Global trade volumes are quickly slowing, down over 1% from a year ago. … read more via hyperlink above …
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