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Happy International Day for Preventing the Exploitation of the Environment in War and Armed Conflict!
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November 6, 2019 8:00am
- atomic drop
  
  Like you have ever done anything about that issue or ever intend to.
  
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  November 6, 2019 8:13am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Oh, yes. Yes, I have.
    
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    November 6, 2019 9:01am
- alloytoo
  
  It’s also Malaria day in the Americas.
  
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  November 6, 2019 8:16am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    And Obama Day in Kenya.
    
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    November 6, 2019 9:00am
  - mark15
    
    Its measles year in NZ
    
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    November 6, 2019 9:22am
    - kevn
      
      @mark… More measles in NZ than (nearly) the rest of world combined.
      Another win’ for JA and the mottley CoL.
      
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      November 6, 2019 3:59pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    A little prick, a quick suck…followed by an annoying itch…and….you have a good description of…
    every Democratic candidate on the ticket.
    
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    November 6, 2019 2:42pm
- Komata
  
  MM@0800
  
  Because the mere title is so outlandish as to be verging on the imaginary, please provide a reference to support your contention that it IS an actual, real, UN-mandated ‘Day’.
  
  Thanks.
  
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  November 6, 2019 10:18am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I am shocked that anyone would doubt the veracity of a statement on Kiwiblog.
    https://www.un.org/en/events/environmentconflictday/
    
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    November 6, 2019 10:44am
    - Ian Hawthorn
      
      The idiocy of the UN never ceases to amaze.
      
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      November 6, 2019 1:35pm
- Lance
  
  Is that like “world peace” day?
  
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  November 6, 2019 10:22am
AgainstTheFlow

Winston Peters’ testimony makes him sound like a cross between Grandpa Simpson and Donald Trump.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/11/05/895355/multiple-omissions-in-peters-super-application

[Mod: There’s already a whole thread devoted to this subject. Please use it]
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November 6, 2019 8:03am
atomic drop

Michelle Obama whines about White Flight she experienced with her family growing up.

Now that she is filthy rich she hangs out in wealthy enclaves of whiteness and jewishness. No moving into Da Hood in solidarity with her black sistas and bruthas. Not even into a well to do black miiddle class suburb.

Nope, only the whitest of white/jew neighbourhoods for Mrs Obama is good enough.

Its only white working class men and their families who should be forced to live with the likes of Natasha the welfare solo mom and her two teenage sons ( to different fathers – currently serving time), Tyrone and Jamal.
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November 6, 2019 8:10am
- igm
  
  Isn’t it “Mr Obama” . . . its title is suspect in many quarters.
  
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  November 6, 2019 8:34am
  - Inandout
    
    igm, you gotta laugh when you read some of those theories, or the ones that Google has let remain.
    
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    November 6, 2019 9:11am
- stephieboy
  
  “filthy rich ”
  
  ???
  
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  November 6, 2019 9:37am
  - Komata
    
    Stephie@0937
    
    Do you not understand the idiom?
    
    (Just asking)
    
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    November 6, 2019 10:20am
- Scott
  
  Atomic drop – there just is so much swamp creature behaviour about the Obama’s and the Biden’s.
  
  I was struck by an article in powerline blog about Joe Biden and Hunter Biden. It seems clear from emails that Burisma the Ukrainian energy company had Hunter Biden on its board for the sole purpose of buying influence with Joe Biden who was the point man for United States relations with Ukraine. He was the one determining how much aid would go to Ukraine.
  
  It amazes me that aggressive reporters will not investigate this? Did Hunter Biden attend any board meetings for example? What language are the minutes in, Ukrainian?
  
  As the article points out corruption is not usually done by direct payments to the principal – Joe Biden. Instead they are funnelled through the family, Hunter Biden in this case, so that the family can become rich. This is the definition of corruption and swamp like behaviour.
  
  And this is what Donald Trump was seeking to have investigated when he made his phone call to the Ukrainian Pres. Just because Joe Biden was a political rival does not mean that the President of the United States cannot raise legitimate concerns, particularly given Joe Biden’s own testimony about having the Ukrainian prosecutor fired.
  
  Joe Biden, Obama, the Clintons – they are all swamp creatures. Joe Biden after 40 years in public office cannot drain the swamp. He is the epitome of the swamp creature who has spent decades creating the swamp.
  
  https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/11/emails-reveal-biden-burisma-influence-at-state-department.php
  
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  November 6, 2019 9:51am
chaos

* ABC News anchor Amy Robach was caught on a hot mic claiming higher-ups at her network killed a story that would have exposed the now-deceased sex offender Jeffrey Epstein three years ago, but the Disney-owned news organization says it wasn’t up to their standards.

“I’ve had the story for three years… we would not put it on the air,” Robach said on the hot mic. “It was unbelievable what we had, Clinton, we had everything.”*

https://www.foxnews.com/media/abc-amy-robach-jeffrey-epstein-hot-mic

* ABC News Insider Leaks Hot Mic Video to Project Veritas – Part 1*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=129&v=KJwFZU3nQ_I
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November 6, 2019 8:18am
- Ed Snack
  
  Not a “hot mic” situation, that implies an inadvertent statement, Robach was making a forceful statement to an audience of some sort and clearly meant what she was saying.
  
  Funny how the standards vary by political affiliation – ABC were perfectly OK with airing (and indeed making it top billing) a series of ludicrous and untrue allegations about Brett Kavanagh, and to run the Covington kids edited video, yet wouldn’t go with a well sourced and apparently well researched item on Epstein because it implicated the Clintons.
  
  Regardless about what else you think of Trump, his accusations regarding “Fake News” are spot on.
  
  As David Burge (Iowahawk) has it: “Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving”.
  
  Or Jim Treacher: “Modern journalism is all about deciding which facts the public shouldn’t know because they might reflect badly on Democrats.”
  
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  November 6, 2019 8:50am
  - chaos
    
    She was talking to her producer while off air
    
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    November 6, 2019 9:46am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Oh dear, Project Veritas…
  
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  November 6, 2019 9:03am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Yes, c’mon people.
    Mikey says PV isn’t a good source so you just have to ignore actual video footage of what Robach says and her subsequent statements in the press confirming it.
    #Fuckwit.
    
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    November 6, 2019 9:54am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      All_on_Red
      Project Veritas is about the best source of any such information out there. Why? Is consists only of having targets directly incriminating themselves on camera and audio, when they are caught loosely speaking the truth. PV just exposes people. End of story.
      
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      November 6, 2019 10:31am
  - Scott
    
    Mikey – Project Veritas is awesome. The trouble is we get the people’s own words on tape and on video. The planned parenthood person talking about trading body parts of babies.
    The ABC person talking about her bosses killing the Jeffrey Epstein story.
    And the chap from CNN talking about the 9 AM phone call from Jeff Zucker – just focus on impeachment, we are all about impeachment! In other words ignore every other story. Ignore the booming economy. We are just going to push impeachment every day.
    
    So project Veritas did a great service. CNN is not about what the journalists and the news anchors think is newsworthy. It is all about what Jeff Zucker thinks and he hates Donald Trump and that’s what CNN is all about. Nothing about impartial news, it’s all about bringing down Donald Trump and making the world safe for liberal Democrats.
    
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    November 6, 2019 9:57am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Yeah who you gonna trust; a journalist at a left-aligned stations talking off-air about being prevented from reporting on Epstein, Clinton and British Royals by political pressures or your tribal fingers-in-ears biases.
    
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    November 6, 2019 10:04am
  - Fletch
    
    mikenmildagain, so Project Veritas got someone to impersonate Robach using one of those masks like in Mission Impossible that don’t exist? She didn’t say those things?
    
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    November 6, 2019 10:39am
- stephieboy
  
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  From your Fox News speak link,
  
  “..Project Veritas, whose controversial founder, James O’Keefe, describes himself as a “guerrilla journalist,” published the footage that included Robach saying ABC refused to air an interview she conducted with one of Epstein’s victims…”
  
  Enough said!
  
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  November 6, 2019 9:40am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Your “enough said” doesn’t follow. So he’s self described as “guerilla journalist” and is controversial. But “controversial” is often an adjective used to describe people who expose things that others would rather were NOT exposed.
    
    Despite numerous claims that PV has faked evidence or edited videos, those are fake news, and PV’s output has been unequivocally been shown to be accurate. Although snippets have been shown (which is editing), the whole uncut video is available to check context and accuracy.
    
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    November 6, 2019 10:27am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Here’s just one example of O’Keefe’s bullshit:
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/11/28/the-6-most-puzzling-aspects-of-this-james-okeefe-project-veritas-botched-sting-debacle/
      
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      November 6, 2019 10:48am
      - Scott
        
        Thanks for that Mikey. It actually shows that the Washington post editorial board is against Donald Trump. Which they admit in their article!
        
        So here’s the thing. I believe that the Washington post is dedicated to bringing down Donald Trump and making the world safe for Liberal Democrats. Am I wrong??
        
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        November 6, 2019 11:06am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Would you prefer his failed effort to entrap a CNN journalist?
        https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2010/09/specials/cnn.caper/index.html
        
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        November 6, 2019 11:21am
  - chaos
    
    The journalist involved has confirmed what she said so yeah enough said loser you are trying to defend the cover up of one of the worst pedophiles there is, I wonder why
    
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    November 6, 2019 11:12am
    - sam green
      
      Some big allusions there mate – your hatred is uncalled for – and reported.
      
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      November 6, 2019 6:59pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Last time someone accused me of being a pedophile, I got banned. Fortunately, the vile piece of excrement in question – flipper – is dead now.
        
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        November 6, 2019 7:34pm
      - sam green
        
        You know who he was – he was that swimmer fraudster – swam the English channel in the 60s.
        
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        November 6, 2019 9:49pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Key to this scandal is that when ex Epstein sex-toy Virginia Roberts interviewed with ABC 3 years ago Clinton was trying to get elected. So no way were democratic aligned media going to allow a story potentially damaging to her (Bill) to air.
  
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  November 6, 2019 7:38pm
Paginus

If you don’t like immigration, then no health care for you.
Britain is to start its very own social credit system.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/11/04/uk-national-health-service-to-deny-treatment-for-racist-or-sexist-language-gestures-behaviour/
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November 6, 2019 8:19am
- chaos
  
  the article actual states that you will be denied further care once it is safe to do so. We could do with a likewise policy here to deal with the racism and drunken idiots that go to the ED.
  
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  November 6, 2019 8:37am
oldpark

Wonder why some of the RWC bronze winners the All Blacks trained by Hansen and Foster and half their team were trained before that by Robertson from Crusaders are calling for either mentioned men to be the new All Black coach.
After all some of the also ran Bronze Medal winners and losers to England are long past their use by date.
New All Black coach or coaches have a longer tenure than the aging All Blacks who are pleading for Foster or Robertson. The bulk of the All Black players who were embarrassed by England are calling for Foster or Robertson perhaps to save their careers to be the new All Black Coach. Maybe they are afraid of being told don’t come Monday you choked against the English.
Even Blind Freddie can see that a Jamie Joseph or Dave Rennie will be the salvation for the All Blacks and make them great again.
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November 6, 2019 8:32am
- chaos
  
  If anyone should be listened to about who should be the coach it is the players.
  
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  November 6, 2019 8:38am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    And anonymous internet commenters who don’t know anything about rugby…
    
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    November 6, 2019 9:09am
kevn

“ok boomers”. In the house, swarbricks 1 out 10 contribution.
Pushing for dope legalization, that is her specialty.
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November 6, 2019 8:41am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Ms Swarbrick seems to have forgotten that we boomers have paid tax for more years than she has walked on this planet, and that we have built the society she enjoys.
  
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  November 6, 2019 8:49am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    The baby boomers inherited the highest living standards in the world, enjoyed free healthcare, education, never had to go to war, now enjoy gold-plated pensions, and have presided over a decades-long general decline in economic propseprity and environmental conditons.
    
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    November 6, 2019 9:12am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Rubbish, economic prosperity is now far higher, not just in NZ but even more so world wide than when most boomers (like me) were born.
      
      If the pensions are “gold plated” you must be talking about civil servants, private sector (except at the highest levels) very rarely have much beyond their own savings (partially destroyed by low interest rates) and a minimal superannuation payment.
      
      Never go to war, well, maybe the boomers helped by not actually going to war. Though some a touch older than me may have been subject to the draft, NZ only sent volunteers overseas to war zones.
      
      Finally, the environment – generally speaking in NZ conditions are not worse, but the focus has changed. Back then a lot of unconstrained dumping of anything including toxic refuse, but in general less intensive farming did leave rivers etc somewhat cleaner though not clean as such. Worldwide pollution has been almost entirely driven by the enormous rise in economic activity in what was the third world. For example, as you should know, over 90% of the plastic pollution in the oceans is from just 10 rivers that are exclusively in Asia and Africa, and is essentially domestic pollution.
      
      So as much as you may wish to create a scapegoat in the “boomer” class, your assertions are rubbish.
      
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      November 6, 2019 10:35am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        It is arguable that most of our so-called ‘economic prosperity’ in 2019 is mostly illusory, and is the result of horrendous increases in private and public debt (to pay for the ever expanding welfare state, including your pensions which are currently being paid out of the potential earnings of the as yet unborn generations). On average, every human on this planet is currently sustained by about USD30,000. This is not sustainable.
        
        The money will run out eventually, so yes compared to what near-future generations will receive (possibly nothing) your non-means-tested benefit is gold-plated in comparison.
        
        You didn’t have to go to war. Undisputable fact.
        
        Re: the environment. See above: debt driven, unfunded liabilities, bringing forward future consumption to the present (worsening the environment in the process), that future generations will be on the hook for. Remember that the next time you are playing with your grand/great grand children. You’ve fucked their futures.
        
        The facts are, much of current policy is designed to keep the boomers happily voting for more of the same. Sorry to burst your bubble.
        
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        November 6, 2019 10:49am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      For once, I agree with you. I would like to see a boomer refute any of that.
      
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      November 6, 2019 10:37am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      The baby boomers created the highest living standards in the world (coming out of a very destructive war), enjoyed free healthcare, education, never had to go to war (we prevented it, because neither did you), now enjoy gold-plated pensions (that WE built up society to cope with and you are taring down), and have presided over a decades-long general rise to economic boom, that you are taking advantage of and using the advancement we made to entertain yourself, instead of building on to pass to your kids (as we did for you) and environmental conditions that are being lied about every day.
      There ya go, the full picture.
      
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      November 6, 2019 11:55am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        RW Capitalist
        No, the Baby Boomers took advantage of the highest living standards in the world (created by the Greatest Generation, those who gave birth to you). Don’t take the credit for what your parents achieved.
        
        See my earlier post: the so-called “decades long general rise to economic boom” is largely debt-driven. It is all smoke and mirrors, not real economic growth. Collapse is imminent.
        
        Furthermore, it is Baby Boomers themselves (i.e. the ‘free love’, nihilistic Marxists of the 60s generation) – having squandered what your parents passed on to you – who have sown the seeds of the cultural Marxism that has largely brought about the falling Western world. Not all of you of course, but members of your generation certainly.
        
        That is the full picture, despite your attempts to rewrite the history of the later 20th century.
        
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        November 6, 2019 1:05pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Proper ghandi
        Baby boomers are from the end of WW2 to around 1970.
        WW2 crippled economies and before that was the depression.
        Boomers BUILT the current economy
        built resilience into it
        from about 1985 on, we have made the mistake of NOT forcing the generations since, to actually work for what they want and built a sense of entitlement into them.
        We are to blame for that.
        Task for you
        list all the achievements since 1985, that were not predicated by or just outright devised/ invented by the mid to late boomers and before.
        
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        November 6, 2019 2:49pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Baby boomers are generally accepted to be those born between 1946 and 1964. New Zealand’s relative economic decline started from the late 1960s, just as the first of the baby boomers reaered in a full welfare state entered the workforce.
        
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        November 6, 2019 2:56pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        You forget Mike 1972…labour govt. Kirk screwed the economy
        
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        November 6, 2019 3:38pm
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        RW Capitalist
        The facts tell a different story. Your parents both won a war, and then came home to create a very prosperous, comfortable, and safe society in the post war years. Only when the boomers came of age (let us say from the 60s) when all the hard work had been done and the groundwork laid, did the seeds of our current millieu get sown.
        
        Living a life of unprecedented ease, complacency set in and the good times were enjoyed. However, the Boomers are possibly the first recent generation to have a life better than those who followed them.
        
        Don’t get me wrong, it is not all Boomers who are to blame, but those who are to blame came from your ranks, and it was your ranks who, by a majority, kept voting for the same policies.
        
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        November 6, 2019 3:45pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Kirk and 1972. Just before the first oil crisis (73?).
        
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        November 6, 2019 3:47pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Ian, don’t you remember Kirk pleading with OPEC to impose that oil embargo?
        
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        November 6, 2019 4:00pm
  - pdm
    
    Inv – make that more than twice as long as she has been on the planet – extending to three times or more as long in many cases.
    
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    November 6, 2019 9:20am
  - MCos
    
    OK boomer
    
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    November 6, 2019 10:35am
  - hullkiwi
    
    What Swarfega seems to have overlooked is that there are not that many boomers in the House. After 2020, I can only think of a handful on the National side. AHHH, but currently, on the CoL side, there is all but 2 NZF MPs that are boomers!
    
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    November 6, 2019 11:35am
    - sam green
      
      Does saying her name wrong make you feel better about yourself?
      
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      November 6, 2019 7:16pm
- pb
  
  Dope pimps need to spend some time with the victims of drug and alcohol abuse. Bloody gamers.
  
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  November 6, 2019 9:21am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  ‘Othering’ groups with dismissive labeling and sweeping generalisation of negatives is an important first step in the road to persecuting them. Got to condition everyone to stop thinking of them as people.
  
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  November 6, 2019 9:30am
Surely Knott

It’s interesting that in the Newsroom article it says, “when he ticked boxes in the form that he was separated and living apart, and not divorced, and that he would fill in the form the same way today.” I went online to see how obvious the question is. The form doesn’t say are you seperated. It says do you have a partner – and it defines that as someone you are in a relationship with. And if you answer yes there are a whole series of questions you need to answer. The form may have been different a few years back. But now there are two whole sections a Tell us about your living situation? section – “Are you living alone?” “Please provide details of anyone you live with?” etc. And then another section “Tell us if you have a partner.” – and about 9 questions related to partner. It’s a really comprehensive form and quite clear.
https://www.workandincome.govt.nz/documents/forms/new-zealand-superannuation-application.pdf
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November 6, 2019 8:49am
- sooty
  
  Maybe Whinestone should not have been allowed to fill in forms alone. He should have taken a guide dog!
  
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  November 6, 2019 12:08pm
Captain Mainwaring

Is anyone else totally over this doom and gloom forecasting?
If it happens, it happens and there’s stuff all we can do about it.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/117165503/1000-deaths-and-widespread-destruction-following-tsunami-warns-report
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November 6, 2019 8:54am
- chaos
  
  It’s just fear mongering. Through fear they can control people. Through fear they can bring in their policies. Through fear they can make a fourtune.
  
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  November 6, 2019 8:59am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Especially if you have kept your head firmly buried in the sand.
  
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  November 6, 2019 9:12am
  - Than
    
    Which is precisely what these XR protesters are also doing, just over a different subject.
    
    We can’t get to net-zero emissions by 2025. Not won’t. Not just lack the political will. We literally can’t.
    
    It is simply not possible to maintain anything remotely close to a modern lifestyle with net-zero emissions using the technology we currently have available. It is especially not possible using only the limited subset of technologies that get environmental activists Gaia-approved blessing.
    
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    November 6, 2019 10:05am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Actually we may already be “net zero”, and if we use carefully tailored “carbon accounting”, less than zero.
      
      If we insist on measuring by a politically biased set of rules, we’ll always end up with the answer that the politicians want to see.
      
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      November 6, 2019 10:47am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Do they count all the grass, gorse, wilding pines, scrub native bush etc when they determine the size of our “carbon sink”?
        
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        November 6, 2019 12:02pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @RW Capitalist
        No
        The way the Kyoto accord works is that the existing condition of vegetation in 2008 is taken as the baseline from which all emission changes are calculated… so our existing forests, pastoral grasslands, scrublands, etc — which account for 27 million ha of C-sequestering plant life don’t figure in NZ’s balance sheet.
        
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        November 6, 2019 3:00pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        So..Maggie…they are saying that plants not planted by man specifically, don’t soak up CO2?
        Strange how science works, isn’t it. Especially when it is run by corrupt politicians.
        Wonder if the use the same theory and methodology when assessing the impact of global warming…err climate change…or what ever they are calling what ever it is this week.
        
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        November 6, 2019 3:43pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I’m not sure how you connect policies to mitigate climate change with Captain Mainwaring’s refusal to believe that tsunami are real.
      
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      November 6, 2019 10:50am
- Jade Warrior
  
  I guess there are always some things we can do to prepare for tsunamis but yes – what’s the point in alarming the public with reports and articles like this if there is actually nothing we can do to stop them?
  
  Someone in the comments section of that article makes these very points … and of course is getting pilloried in response for daring to state the obvious.
  
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  November 6, 2019 9:26am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Of course the other problem is that they are providing the insurance industry with a perfect excuse to fleece us to death.
    
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    November 6, 2019 9:52am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’m happy to have reminders about Tsunami.
  
  Until the 2004 Indonesian Tsunami, few NZers were aware of the impact tsunami could have on some of our coastal settlements.
  
  When I was growing up, we called them tidal waves… and the only one I ever heard about was from the 1960 Chile earthquake that sent a few waves through to our coasts.
  
  But we have a well-documented history of Tsunami, it’s just that most of us don’t know much about it.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tsunamis_affecting_New_Zealand
  
  When I taught at Rongotai College (Kilbirnie) we had to carry out our school tsunami evacuation practice …. quite sobering trying to get 600 lads (including a number of physically disabled & special needs boys) across the Evans Bay-Kilbirnie isthmus onto the wee hill atop Tirangi Rd (the old air-control tower site).
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/106438048/wellington-airport-control-tower-to-be-decommissioned-after-60-years
  
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  November 6, 2019 9:40am
  - stephieboy
    
    Brings to mind the amazing scene from our school where the Waitemata harbour turned from tide out to full tide in matter of minutes as a result of the Chile earthquake tsunamis rolling across the Pacific.
    
    1960
    
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    November 6, 2019 10:02am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Stephie…..you are talking porkies…..So, which school was it?
      
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      November 6, 2019 12:14pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Rongotai College (Kilbirnie), DPF’s alma mater. And mine.
    
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    November 6, 2019 10:56am
  - Ed Snack
    
    I’m with Maggie here, a very worthwhile piece of planning to see what impacts might occur. Biggest risk is the scenario used, a major (8.9+) quake in the Hikurangi subduction zone as we would have very little warning time. Many evacuation routes could be come very crowded.
    
    I don’t think we have an evacuation/tsunami warning system anywhere near as comprehensive as Japan, and yet they suffered, what, over 30K deaths in their recent event. People who did not hear or know about the risk – especially in cars as in videos you can see people driving along as the huge waves reach the shore and some getting caught up. I think we’re far more aware since the Boxing day and Japanese events of the potential dangers, but the actual warning systems are not yet really up to scratch.
    
    Thankfully I live and work in an area just to far from shore to be threatened in anything but a catastrophic event like an asteroid impact.
    
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    November 6, 2019 11:03am
- hullkiwi
  
  It is fearmongering and a bad report. There is only a small area on the Hikurangi fault line south east of Cook Strait where if a tsunami was triggered, that any tidal wave would reach Wellington and the foreshore facing Cook Strait. For Wellington to be destroyed by a Tsunami, the earthquake would need to be in Cook Strait and south of the entrance to Wellington Harbour. Similarly, thanks to geography and the laws of physics it is almost impossible for Auckland to suffer the impact of an tsunami caused by an earthquake – the Coromandel Peninsula is largely in the way….
  
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  November 6, 2019 12:01pm
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    Tell that to people in ‘quake free’ Christchurch circa 2009.
    
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    November 6, 2019 1:49pm
lastmanstanding

Like others I have come to the conclusion that the Left dont want to debate their issues. This is because the issues lack the intellectual rigor to withstand scrutiny and debate.

Instead the left seek to shut down any criticism using the specious hate speech argument.

They are also bullies and thugs from the politicians to the academics to the social commentators. Elites who think anyone who disagrees with them is an inferior being.

In short they are the enemy of free thinking citizens.
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November 6, 2019 9:11am
- Classic Liberal
  
  LOL, Shane Jones on National Radio this morning kept showing this up beautifully: through identity politics and intersectionality, NZ is now full of divisiveness with people competing for the top tier on the victim pyramid. Shane was very angry at the Indian community people who want to bring in arranged marriage spouses without the 2 years living together rule.
  
  Where is his respect for other cultures? Where is his concern for the poor Indian victims of our cruel, colonialist laws?
  
  Intersectionality is nothing but a competition for victim rights and *money* for politicians and state-funded jobs.
  
  Jones could have made a bit of sense about not wanting to overpopulate NZ, but he was going about it by trotting out identity politics reasons that *he*, because of his ‘whakapapa’ was not racist for telling the Indian ‘extremists’ to leave NZ if they didn’t like our policy. The implication clearly being that anyone without his ‘whakapapa’ would be racist for saying the same things.
  
  Identity politics and intersectionality crash into each other with overlapping demands, each wanting special rights and/or money for being a victim in some way.
  
  Here’s a hint for Simon Bridges: Shane Jones immediately shut up the interviewer interrupting him by saying ‘let me finish my KORERO!!!’.
  
  Hahaha, National Radio have biased themselves so far into the intersectionality mindset that you can shut them up immediately by hinting that they might be racist, classist, sexist, homophobic etc by not letting you finish your KORERO.
  
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  November 6, 2019 9:33am
  - Paginus
    
    There will be war. When, we don’t know. But history shows that cultures fighting over the same resources, never ends well.
    
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    November 6, 2019 10:26am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I know of an arranged Indian marriage of a NZ 18yr old woman and a young surgeon in the USA-working beautifully. People have their differences but we can’t suppress all.
    If the families can certify to the arrangements I would let the immigration occur unless there are other evident difficulties.
    
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    November 6, 2019 11:47am
  - srylands
    
    “Korero” is an in word. But I confess I had to look it up a few months ago when someone “thanked me for my korero”.
    
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    November 6, 2019 2:53pm
- stephieboy
  
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  ” lack the intellectual rigor “??
  
  Another rich irony alert
  
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  November 6, 2019 9:44am
  - Swifty
    
    Says KB’s dumbest poster who has earned the label by being so wrong, about so many things, over such a long period.
    
    And who runs away to another thread when he realises his mistakes.
    
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    November 6, 2019 11:43am
  - hullkiwi
    
    ….given it is you, I’ve yet to see you debate anything with “intellectual rigour”. Maybe it could be a New Year’s Resolution for you?
    
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    November 6, 2019 12:29pm
- kloyd0306
  
  Not only does the left not want to debate the issues, they all begin by saying: “We need to have a conversation.” – until they don’t because the facts don’t fit, because facts are hate speech.
  
  I blame the education system, and especially university professors and teachers.
  
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  November 6, 2019 10:59am
- Michael
  
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  November 6, 2019 11:59am
DRHILL

OK, so the Government wants to block porn? Good luck with that!
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November 6, 2019 9:16am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Dear God, no! Access to free internet porn may be the only thing between us and a political uprising. The former uprising staves off the latter, and if people already have at least one hand full, they are less likely to take up a pitchfork or a burning torch.
  
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  November 6, 2019 11:21am
  - david
    
    Well, they won’t have a gun in the other hand.
    
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    November 6, 2019 12:07pm
KH

Shane Jones dustup with the Indians about immigration is the sideshow.
The important idea is the proposal for a New Zealand population policy. Strangly we don’t have one.
My view is we target a maximum population number. It’s madness to let it just grow without working out if it’s doing us any good at all.
Suggest an absolute max of 5 million, and a gradual reduction would be even better.
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November 6, 2019 9:22am
- brett68
  
  NZ First is going to pick up a lot of votes.
  Even though Peters is a fucking arsehole of the highest order, he’s the only person making anti immigration noises.
  
  Every other party is “As many as we can take”, especially National.
  People will vote for Peters because there’s at least a slight chance he may be able to curb it a bit, no chance with any other party.
  
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  November 6, 2019 9:52am
  - Liberty
    
    There must be and election due. The Rednecks are getting restless.
    “Even though Peters is a fucking arsehole of the highest order”
    The deluded fools will still vote for him.
    
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    November 6, 2019 10:50am
    - chaos
      
      I’ve got a chiropractor that always talks politics, she said a while ago a lot of her clients that support him are no longer and think simon is the best option.
      
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      November 6, 2019 11:08am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    I’ve said it before, but I’ll say it again: mass immigration artificially a) keeps the house prices up, and b) distorts GDP figures (per capita GDP is what matters). If they turn the tap off, the dominoes will fall, which is why nobody wants to do it.
    
    Someone needs to man the fuck up and say that (dear I use this phrase!) “enough is enough.” The electorate needs to be told the truth for once. While this approach is unfashionable these days, reason and evidence (as provided by Europe’s experience) needs to be deployed to demonstrate what the future will look like with unchecked immigration.
    
    What is the goal? How many is enough? These sorts of issues need to be spelled out. For instance, Bridges needs to ask Ardern these questions directly in televised debates, and let her provide a non-answer. Let her show the country that there is no logic and only feels behind bringing in so-called refugees.
    
    It is inevitable that he MSM and the Twitterazis will go mental. So what. Peter’s is all talk. He will never do anything to address any issues. He needs to be gone.
    
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    November 6, 2019 11:50am
  - backster
    
    But Peters was the one who sold out our immigration policy to the United Nations.
    
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    November 6, 2019 12:08pm
  - Lizziep
    
    I thought he promised that last election brett68. And the result is?????
    
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    November 6, 2019 12:25pm
- Faroffsound
  
  Exactly – a population policy and a clearly defined immigration policy, neither of which appear to exist at present.
  
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  November 6, 2019 6:20pm
pb

What do you know about the Hungarian counter-revolution against the communists in 1956? Me, not much. It seems the reaction against the Bolshevik experiment is picking up speed though. Victor Orban, is on his 3rd term. Hungary has been proclaimed a Christian Democracy, vowing to defend the country against global secular humanism. He has renewed a vow to cooperate between church and state. Families of 3 or more get a housing rebate, about $30k. Despite being the first state in the world to legalise abortion, they have banned abortion after 12 weeks. They are trying to jump start the demographic with a baby-boom. Education has largely been transferred to the Church, away from the state! Lefties will be apoplectic. Morality is back in the curriculum. Secular education has become an exception. As a bonus, Soros and his globalist minions have been banned from Hungary. Got to be worth a visit and a follow.
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November 6, 2019 9:23am
- stephieboy
  
  The makings of a one party fascist dictatorship with EU funding,,
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/20/viktor-orban-democracy-hungary-eu-funding
  
  LOL
  
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  November 6, 2019 9:50am
- Komata
  
  PB@0923
  
  Concerning the 1956 Hungarian Uprising:
  
  You might find this book of interest; it’s probably the best around, and (if you’re interested enough) can be purchased directly from the publisher….
  
  Your local Public Library MAY have it, but don’t be surprised if they don’t
  
  ‘Hungarian Uprising : Budapest’s Cataclysmic Twelve Days, 1956’
  
  Author: Louis Archard
  
  (ISBN: 9781526708021
  Published: 22nd January 2018)
  
  Publisher: Pen and Sword Books, Barnsley, South Yorkshire UK.
  
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  November 6, 2019 10:34am
  - Ed Snack
    
    I can also recommend a novel that covers the uprising – it’s extremely funny but also tragic – called “Under the Frog”, can’t recall the author but easy to google.
    
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    November 6, 2019 11:05am
  - pb
    
    Ta. I will.
    
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    November 6, 2019 1:12pm
- curry4me
  
  He’s doing a great job.
  
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  November 6, 2019 10:04pm
brett68

The 2020 election is going to be about

1) Euthanasia
2) Immigration
3) Cost of living/housing
4) Climate Change

National is very hostile towards Euthanasia with polls running at 70% for, they are well and truly be on the wrong side on this one,
The fact that national seems to be taken over by Christians will start to get some serious air time around the election, this will be very outputting for the non-religious.

Immigration, Bridges signalling after his trips to China and India that they’ll keeping flooding the country with people, dairy and business seems to be all National is interested in, no fucks given for existing born and bred Kiwis.

Young people struggling like fuck to afford to live, this is a huge issue, even though Labour has been arse, they’re still considered a better option than National for who they blame for causing the housing mess.

Climate Change is big with people under 30, personally I’m a bit meh about it but I haven’t been endlessly brain washed through my formative years so not such of an issue.
National is considered very Trumpish around the issue of climate change, Labour talking but not following through, Greens will be the winners.

My prediction for 2020

Labour 37%
NZ First 10%
Greens 8%

National 41%
Act 2%
Other parties 2%

Voter turn out will be low
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November 6, 2019 9:35am
- Swifty
  
  Why NZ First at 10%?
  
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  November 6, 2019 9:43am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    and National’s 5% too low.
    
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    November 6, 2019 12:20pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  I think your NZ First prediction is about 5% too high
  
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  November 6, 2019 9:51am
- stephieboy
  
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  So more of the same?
  
  “..seems to be taken over by Christians”
  
  Christopher Luxon?
  
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  November 6, 2019 9:52am
  - brett68
    
    You can add him to what is now quite a long list.
    
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    November 6, 2019 10:15am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  How the hell do you think NZF is going to get anywhere near 10%? And Greens 8%?
  Take 8 off NZF and 3 off Greens, add those numbers to National and you’d be about right.
  
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  November 6, 2019 9:57am
  - brett68
    
    Nope. NZ First will start picking up votes, it’s the only party that’s going to be making anti immigration noises.
    
    Greens are going to pick up votes because Labour has been very weak around climate change.
    
    Both NZ First and the Greens will argue that they could do very little because they didn’t get enough votes at the last election.
    
    The more votes we get the more we can do will be what both parties campaign on.
    
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    November 6, 2019 10:04am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Winston has done nothing to reduce immigration when he easily could of.
      I think current Polling reflects his lack of credibility.
      He’ll be lucky to get past the threshold.
      As an aside, will his health allow him to stand again?
      I keep hearing rumours of breathing problems.
      
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      November 6, 2019 10:27am
    - Hacked-Off
      
      Brett,
      I heartily disagree. With the influence that we seen in this rabble of a Government that Peters has – they could have easily imposed what they promised in 2017, but no those promises to cut immigration to 10K have not even been advocated by NZF in Government. It was just a ploy in 2017 to attract votes and it will be National’s job to remind voters of that fact.
      
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      November 6, 2019 10:32am
    - david
      
      Shane ‘Let me finish my KORERO’ Jones has already started to sow the subliminal seeds about immigration. The words are meaningless but the sentiment becomes obvious and will stick in the minds of the great unwashed.
      
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      November 6, 2019 11:38am
      - KH
        
        The ‘immigration’ figure is just one component of the bigger picture. Lets determine first what the desirable number is for New Zealands population, and then the immigration number is merely one component of that.
        
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        November 6, 2019 1:43pm
- All_on_Red
  
  10% seems way too high for NZ First.
  
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  November 6, 2019 9:57am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    move the decimal point to the left, two wold be even better . . . .
    
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    November 6, 2019 2:36pm
- Cobolt24
  
  The previous National government proposed increasing the minimum residency requirement to 20 years before it was voted out of power, that would do something to help. NZF and Labour promised to do something to lower the numbers getting in but haven’t done a thing except increase the waiting times for visa applications.
  
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  November 6, 2019 10:00am
  - brett68
    
    Bridges wants a free trade agreement with India
    Part of the deal is easier access to work visas for Indians in exchange for allowing dairy into India.
    
    Which is why he’s having a go at Jones over the Indian arranged marriage issue.
    
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    November 6, 2019 10:20am
    - srylands
      
      “part of the deal is easier access to work visas for Indians ”
      
      I would like to see a cost benefit analysis on that. A couple of observations:
      
      1. We have lots of Indians here already. Employers need to jump through few hoops if they want another one.
      
      2. Doesn’t Fonterra sell all the milk powder it can produce at the world price? Or is it going to increase volume to meet new Indian demand after such a trade deal? How does that run up against the environmental pressures that will inevitably limit dairy expansion in New Zealand?
      
      There have been a few of these knee jerk announcements from National of late. Don’t they employ staff that can do 5 minutes of analysis before Simon opens his mouth? Increasingly David Seymour is the only MP that (most of the time) seems sensible.
      
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      November 6, 2019 3:08pm
      - david
        
        Fonterra sells its powder at a variety of prices many of which will be below the ‘world price’. If they were to put all of it into the auction the ‘world price’ would take a sudden dive. So there is still opportunities to move product out of lower returning markets.
        
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        November 6, 2019 3:58pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I thought Greens and Labour were planning on folks coming out in their droves to vote for something to do with Marijuana reform.
  
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  November 6, 2019 10:07am
  - chaos
    
    Polling showed that a good percentage of labour and greens are against it.
    
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    November 6, 2019 11:03am
    - srylands
      
      I have some sympathy for making cannabis legal. But what shits me is that we have no worked up draft legislation to vote on. We could be voting for anything. Contrast that with the End of Life Choice Bill.
      
      Why can’t the Greens work on the detail of the regulatory regime that will govern any legalisation of cannabis? And then put that to the referendum. It can’t be that hard.
      
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      November 6, 2019 3:12pm
      - chaos
        
        I wonder if what the greens and labour want to put forward is not getting past New Zealand first which is what is taking so long.
        
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        November 6, 2019 6:37pm
- Liberty
  
  NZF 10%
  There is more likelihood for Jesus to walk down Queen St.
  
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  November 6, 2019 10:58am
- chaos
  
  Greens will be on 4%, they typically lose a few percent on election night. Nz first typically gain but I’d be surprised if they get over 5%, labour around the low to middle 30s
  
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  November 6, 2019 11:05am
  - MCos
    
    In your dreams
    
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    November 6, 2019 12:03pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    greens will sadly get over 5%, labour will shed a few votes to their left wing due to their colossally inept governance.
    
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    November 6, 2019 1:37pm
    - chaos
      
      Listened to a guy ring into the radio station a few weeks ago, had lost confidence in labour, long time labour supporter and didn’t know what he was going to do, but listened to bridges being interviewed by the host and had decided he would be voting for bridges
      
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      November 6, 2019 5:19pm
- srylands
  
  Do you think TOP could get 5% now Gareth Morgan has gone? I’m thinking the United Future phenomenon in 2002 where out of nowhere they got about 8%.
  
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  November 6, 2019 2:56pm
chaos

Saw a new section of the warehouse website, damn, sucks to be a teacher if these are the sorts of gifts warehouse think they should get. But why is there a special section for teachers. Reminds me of the Harvey Norman advert for community hero’s, ambulance staff, fire fighters, police, doctors, and teachers, not sure why teachers are placed in that

https://www.thewarehouse.co.nz/c/gifting/gifts-by-recipient/gifts-for-teachers
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November 6, 2019 9:38am
plc

Got into a philosophical discussion with a mate recently who has become a vegetarian to save the planet for his grandchildren.

After being accused about being a Climate Change denier after insisting that not all global warming is man-made, I actually had an epiphany.

I’m not a denier….I just don’t care.

If the world keeps getting warmer through my lifetime, it wouldn’t necessarily bother me. And as for my descendants I’m sure they’ll work it out.
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November 6, 2019 9:55am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I feel sorry for your mate. He’s lost his marbles.
  
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  November 6, 2019 10:19am
- freemark
  
  Had a couple of similar discussions with lefty mates recently – AGW, guns, Cindy etc. Tried to be philosophical but the lads got shouty and violent. Accused me of being a “lefty baiter’ 🙂
  The big climate alarmist never heard of Mann, Climate gate etc, but “science is settled” or “it’s good if we really scare people”
  The other, no word of a lie “I don’t want facts & statistics”, “don’t call her Cindy”, “don’t post anti-COL stuff on FB” – his GF doesn’t like it and he gets pussy-whipped easily lol.
  Madness out there
  
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  November 6, 2019 10:44am
  - Fletch
    
    Yeh, I am wondering how I would handle a discussion of that type in real life without it devolving into some kind of argument.
    
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    November 6, 2019 11:27am
  - Michael
    
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    November 6, 2019 12:04pm
- MCos
  
  “If the world keeps getting warmer through my lifetime, it wouldn’t necessarily bother me. And as for my descendants I’m sure they’ll work it out.”
  
  That’s pretty much the same philosophy I use when ogling at the cholesterol laden, fat infested, diabetes inducing, cancer ridden sticky buns at the local bakery.
  It won’t happen to me!
  
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  November 6, 2019 12:16pm
-D

Is “racist” the best pejorative we can come up with in reference to Shane Jones?

What about “mean”, ”crude”, “rude”, “ill-mannered”, “churlish”, “hurtful”, “loutish”, “boorish”, “uncaring”, or “self-serving”?

“Windbag” goes without saying.
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November 6, 2019 10:25am
- chaos
  
  Easy to just say new zealand first mp, that covers all you listed
  
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  November 6, 2019 11:19am
- Sacha
  
  He’s just a smart-arse. And inordinately pleased with himself.
  Is he REALLY worth all the attention? If he was a kid, you’d ignore him.
  
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  November 6, 2019 11:20am
  - chaos
    
    If he was a kid he would be punching you on the ground and taking your lunch
    
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    November 6, 2019 11:28am
- rightoverlabour
  
  You have only started… the list goes on quite a bit
  
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  November 6, 2019 8:42pm
- DigNap15
  
  I quite like him.
  He has a VERY good command of the English language, and cracks some good jokes in Parliament.
  He has some personality.
  
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  November 6, 2019 10:00pm
JibberJabber

Well, that’s one way to end a hostage situation…

https://twitter.com/Crazyinnasia/status/1191817970915393537
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November 6, 2019 10:53am
Fletch

There is no climate emergency. A group of 500 prominent scientists and professionals, led by the CLINTEL co-founder Guus Berkhout, has sent a registered letter to the Secretary-General of the UN, António Guterres. They warn the Secretary-General that “[c]urrent climate policies pointlessly and grievously undermine the economic system, putting lives at risk in countries denied access to affordable, reliable electrical energy.”
They add: “We urge you to follow a climate policy based on sound science, realistic economics and genuine concern for those harmed by costly but unnecessary attempts at mitigation.”

Here is their letter with the list of 500 signatories.

https://clintel.nl/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ED-brochureversieNWA4.pdf
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November 6, 2019 11:31am
Fletch

I see that Republican House Intelligence Committee members are asking for Schiff to be the first to testify. He won’t do it of course.

https://twitter.com/EliseStefanik/status/1191717773954736129/video/1
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November 6, 2019 11:42am
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , the apparent real reason,
  
  Andrew Wortman
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  @AmoneyResists
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  No, Elise, we don’t need Adam Schiff to testify. The whistleblower’s complaints have been corroborated by about a dozen witness testimonies AND Trump’s own confession AND Giuliani’s voicemails AND Mulvaney’s statement. You are purposely mischaracterizing the entire situation.
  
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  November 6, 2019 8:19pm
Captain Mainwaring

I see that unemployment has come off its low of 3.9% (generated by the effects of National’s policies and helped by the CoL shifting some of the unemployed onto other benefits) and is now at 4.2% and rising.
Robbo will have an interesting way in QT of explaining why this is a good thing.
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November 6, 2019 11:44am
- sooty
  
  Is Cindy back in the house?
  
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  November 6, 2019 12:14pm
secondcumming

Third reading of the *Climate Change (Zero Carbon) Amendment Bill* due tomorrow.

It’s sounding like even National’s *Judith Collins* is now prepared to roll over and have her tummy rubbed.

Typical politician…. all piss and wind 😎
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November 6, 2019 11:57am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Thats why I’ll probably vote Act.
  
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  November 6, 2019 8:40pm
- curry4me
  
  National is ‘Labour lite’, and Simon Bridges is just a male version of JA.
  
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  November 6, 2019 10:13pm
cmm

So PriNZess tells us fireworks are like being in a war zone.

Has she ever been in a war zone? I doubt it – fireworks sound nothing like high explosives.
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November 6, 2019 12:12pm
- alex Masterley
  
  She doesn’t live far from me, when she is in Auckland.
  Last night was quiet by local standards.
  She doesn’t know what she is talking about.
  
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  November 6, 2019 12:14pm
  - MCos
    
    On the other hand she’s just been in Bangkok.
    Some of the fireworks near our house over there might have sounded like thermonuclear explosions to a layperson.
    
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    November 6, 2019 12:58pm
    - cmm
      
      The use of similes and metaphors is supposed is to aid understanding through comparison.
      
      There’s not much point in comparing things with war zones or thermonuclear explosions since very few people, I’m guessing both you and PriNZess have never heard either.
      
      If you’ve heard a bomb go off – a real one, you’d never confuse that with a firework.
      
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      November 6, 2019 2:52pm
- chaos
  
  Hell, working in her office is like a war zone, you don’t know if you are going to be raped or sexually assaulted
  
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  November 6, 2019 1:38pm
  - cut n paster
    
    I don’t know you can finger anyone in the PM’s office and get away scot free…
    
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    November 6, 2019 11:48pm
Maggie Pie

Question for the group.
Has anyone here ever thought about, or even experienced, being partially asphyxiated during sexual intercourse, as a possible means to either prolonging or heightening the intensity of orgasm?

Asking for a friend.
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November 6, 2019 12:35pm
- Fletch
  
  Wasn’t INXS singer Michael Hutchence killed trying that? That’s what partner Paula Yates claimed anyway.
  
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  November 6, 2019 1:14pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    yeah him and David Carradine (Bill of Kill Bill fame) both dies from strangle-wanking.
    
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    November 6, 2019 1:40pm
- chaos
  
  Just admit your partners mum wants to know
  
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  November 6, 2019 1:37pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    😛
    
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    November 6, 2019 3:13pm
- peterwn
  
  Remember the ‘Cricket Umpire’ Peter Plumley-Walker case?
  
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  November 6, 2019 2:18pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    A slight correction. The cricket umpire’s name was Peter Walker. Plumley was his second Christian name. And he was a cricket umpire at the weekends, but a travel agent from Monday to Friday.
    
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    November 6, 2019 2:29pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Ask the resident goat shaggers.
  
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  November 6, 2019 8:39pm
- curry4me
  
  Didn’t the Tories lose an MP every month or so in the early 90s doing that kind of thing? Sounds really dangerous.
  
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  November 6, 2019 10:14pm
cmm

So the defence team suggests Grace Millane died during a perfectly normal sexual encounter.

I must be doing something wrong. Nobody ever died when I was having sex. Perhaps I need some tips?
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November 6, 2019 12:46pm
- MCos
  
  I don’t think that’s very funny, and I doubt the Millane family who came over from the UK would either.
  
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  November 6, 2019 1:02pm
  - cmm
    
    I’m trying to point out just how absurd it is to suggest that a sexual encounter that results in death can be claimed to be “perfectly normal”.
    
    Sorry that is lost on you.
    
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    November 6, 2019 1:41pm
- Maggie Pie
  
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  November 6, 2019 1:11pm
  - chaos
    
    They’re really hairy I’ve heard
    
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    November 6, 2019 1:36pm
  - cmm
    
    I’m glad I don’t know what the hell you are talking about.
    
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    November 6, 2019 2:43pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Maybe you should pay moRe attention to my posts then 😀
      
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      November 6, 2019 3:45pm
      - cmm
        
        Can you do it with Krispy Kremes?
        
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        November 6, 2019 4:51pm
- Fletch
  
  I see that the accused had to leave the courtroom after “feeling sick”….
  
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  November 6, 2019 1:17pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Nah, you are not a Pommy Politician.
  
  https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/top-tory-mp-who-died-13339856
  
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  November 6, 2019 8:37pm
Straight arrow

Labour list MP Priyanca Radhakrishnan in Stuff:
“We should also think about why we continue to celebrate Guy Fawkes in New Zealand when it has nothing to do with us. As a country we could focus on celebrating Matariki with public fireworks displays instead.
“Wellington City Council has recently made this change and now mark Matariki with their annual fireworks display instead of Guy Fawkes. I know many Kiwi Indians use their fireworks to celebrate Diwali, the Festival of Lights.”

What an idiot. Guy Fawkes is an important figure in English parliamentary history, which is absolutely linked with NZ’s history. Diwali and matariki have less, with perhaps 18 percent having an ancestoral relationship with such events.

The way the opinion piece is written seems to me to indicate she agrees with Diwali and matariki being celebrated with fireworks, but not Guy Fawkes. Diwali, has neither first migrant status, or historic link with our governing institutions. It is a nice festival.

Ignoring fires and animal reasons etc, on what cultural grounds should fireworks be used / banned?
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November 6, 2019 12:54pm
- cmm
  
  If you put aside the Catholic vs Protestant bit, I see the observance of 5 Nov as a celebration of parliamentary processes – a celebration of democracy.
  
  The actual use of gunpowder (ie fireworks) in the celebration goes back over 400 years.
  
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  November 6, 2019 1:12pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I don’t really think it ever was a celebration of ‘parliamentary processes’. The populace in seventeenth century England was happy to have an occasion to celebrate the deliverance of the royal family and demonstrate against the catholics.
    Celebrations of the event also overlook evidence that the whole ‘Gunpowder Plot’ was cooked up by the English government.
    
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    November 6, 2019 1:16pm
    - cmm
      
      I think I’d rather go with English traditions involving fire than Indian ones: “kitchen fires” and such.
      
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      November 6, 2019 2:10pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Correct. I think we should also return to burning the pope in effigy on Guy Fawkes Night, as was customary for very many years.
  
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  November 6, 2019 1:13pm
  - Straight arrow
    
    US had Pope Night
    Pope Night (also called Pope’s Night, Pope Day, or Pope’s Day) was an anti-Catholic holiday celebrated annually on November 5 in the colonial United States. It evolved from the British Guy Fawkes Night, which commemorates the failure of the Gunpowder Plot of 1605. Pope Night was most popular in the seaport towns of New England, especially in Boston, where it was an occasion for drinking, rioting, and anti-elite protest by the working class. Wikipedia
    
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    November 6, 2019 1:32pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I believe celebrations at Lewes, in Sussex, still include ‘No Popery’ banners, burning crosses, and an exploding pope effigy.
      
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      November 6, 2019 2:07pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Fucken Protestants. Posted by a Loving Catholic, who is gravely concerned for these poor souls in the after life…
        
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        November 6, 2019 8:34pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Yeah, Lewes Guy Fawkes is an amazing night out. Whole town makes a massive effort, with each part of town having their own bonfire and costumed street parade with enormous crowds. Highly recommend it.
        
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        November 6, 2019 11:00pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Reading these comments made by this MP I kind of agree with Shane Jones sentiments about fitting in.
  
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  November 6, 2019 1:18pm
- chaos
  
  I’ve noticed a lot of people telling kiwis how we they should live are immigrants.
  
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  November 6, 2019 1:18pm
- chaos
  
  Interesting, just had a 30 second survey from your voice, do you support the ban of private fireworks, looks like labour are fishing to see if there is support to ban it
  
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  November 6, 2019 1:36pm
- Jack5
  
  Priyanca Radhakrishnan says Guy Fawkes has “nothing to do with us” even though Priyanca sits in a Parliament founded on the English tradition and heavily influenced by it. The Guy Fawkes plot was a colourful interlude in that tradition.
  
  Then Priyanca seems to suggest that Diwali, in contrast, has something to do with New Zealand. C’mon, Priyanca!
  
  There’s a lot to like about Priyanca. She fights for workers, and likes dogs. She’s got a big heart, but she’s also lost in the UN’s, the woke’s, and multiculturalism’s fog.
  
  Indian culture has been influenced by British culture, and has in turn influenced British culture.
  
  Multiculturism, however, is about every culture except Western culture, and in British-settled nations, specifically except English culture.
  
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  November 6, 2019 2:10pm
  - Straight arrow
    
    Sky news Australia
    “A Sydney council has announced plans to cancel Australia Day celebrations on January 26 in favour of an Aboriginal festival called Yabun.
    
    Councillor Darcy Byrne told Sky News the date of Australia Day was unlikely to change so “the way we mark the date does need to change”.
    
    “Given January 26 does mark, for Aboriginal people, the beginning of colonisation, dispossession and the removal of children, the deliberate destruction of language and culture, there is a better and more mature way to commemorate the day that includes them,” he said.
    
    The Inner West Council – which Councillor Byrne described as “the birthplace of multiculturalism”- will vote on the changes next week and with the backing of Labor and Greens councillors, it is expected to pass. ”
    
    I think this is a perfect example, Jack5. The coming together of ALL Australians on national day used to be great society builder (celebrating as Australians but remembering cultural backgrounds), but now is aimed at excluding Whites.
    
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    November 6, 2019 3:04pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      “given 26th January does mark, for Aboriginal People, the begining of Modern Health Care, Modern Education, the introduction of a civilised rule of law, the introduction of scientic reasoning, potable water and sanitation, modern luxuries and technology, there is a better and more mature way to commemorate the day that includes them.” Thats better.
      
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      November 6, 2019 8:32pm
- MCos
  
  I’ve got no problem if people want to celebrate Guy Fawkes Day; it’s the fireworks going off at midnight that tend to piss me off.
  Occasionally I have been looking after my daughter’s dog when fireworks have gone off and the poor bitch, who under normal circumstances will rip your gizzard out at the smallest nod from her owner, is reduced to a quivering, peeing, cowering, slobbering wretch.
  
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  November 6, 2019 2:47pm
  - chaos
    
    I don’t mind guy Fawkes, can plan for that with pets. It’s is the fireworks that go off for the rest on the year that are a bit annoying.
    
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    November 6, 2019 4:00pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Like 4.18am on Monday morning. I wish I knew the bastard that woke me up. And they wonder why firework sales are restricted. Too many fuckheads
      
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      November 6, 2019 5:26pm
Straight arrow

New tactic of shoplifters in UK: flashmob. A JD sports shop was attacked by over dozen shoplifters at once, grabbing jackets, and a group stormed a petrol station as well. Hard to stop. When will it hit NZ?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10276108/gang-ransack-jd-sports-halloween/
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November 6, 2019 1:11pm
- Prince
  
  Sounds like Extinction Rebellion. They get a pass.
  
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  November 6, 2019 1:29pm
- chaos
  
  Been doing it that way for a while. Read quite a few huge thefts in the USA done this way over the years.
  
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  November 6, 2019 1:34pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Mob socialism, from each according to what he has, to each according to his wants.
  
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  November 6, 2019 2:53pm
- MCos
  
  Who’s with me!
  
  We’ll meet outside Mobility Scooters in Manukau.
  
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  November 6, 2019 2:54pm
Happychappy

Health Ministry won’t top up Mike Kings Gumboot day fund.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/117204647/ministry-declines-funding-for-gumboot-fund-counselling-service-mike-king-claims
Have the Jacinda and David Clark just used Mike King to get on top of Mental Health for political gain or was it now they think he is past his used by date.
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November 6, 2019 3:08pm
- Straight arrow
  
  Last 2 years The Key to Life Charitable Trust has spent 40% (2018) and 28%(2019) of expenditure on volunteer and employee related payments, ie not on services. I support mental health, but something is amiss here.
  
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  November 6, 2019 3:44pm
- KH
  
  Mike King needs to get real and manage what he had properly.
  So easy to flash the cash and look good for a year or two. Much harder but much more useful to make you are helping out for the long run.
  
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  November 6, 2019 4:49pm
Swifty

Labour happy that Indian marriage scams can continue:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117208458/pm-says-government-expectation-immigration-reverse-new-visa-policy-back-so-indian-arranged-marriages-not-affected
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November 6, 2019 3:13pm
Happychappy

Jacinda Ardern knows this with the bad poll results and the Sexual Assaults saga results still to come is a major obstacle to her chances of being re-elected next year and will cause problems in the Coalition after Shane Jones Immigration warning today.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117208458/pm-says-government-expectation-immigration-reverse-new-visa-policy-back-so-indian-arranged-marriages-not-affected
This is getting back to what Winston has done in past elections, when NZ First are struggling in the polls revert back to immigration and call out the Chinese, Indians and Muslims and those that have said they will never vote Winston again forgive him and can’t get back quick enough.
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November 6, 2019 3:39pm
- cmm
  
  Laws have unintended consequences!
  
  Shudda thunked it through a bit more….
  
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  November 6, 2019 4:46pm
- chaos
  
  So bringing over your arranged marriage ok, moving to nz, putting your life on the line fighting foes bad must leave
  
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  November 6, 2019 5:10pm
  - chaos
    
    Lol, fires
    
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    November 6, 2019 6:33pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Really entertaining speech from Tucker Carlson on 3 main points; corporate threat to our civilisation as monopolistic promoters for far left ideologies and gate keepers over discourse, projection of faults and crimes of left onto right (like inherent racism of identity politics), and lastly the left-right asymmetry in tolerance of other viewpoints – left is an intolerant evangelical religion that sanctions disbelief with violence physical and economic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXGoWtK1NnY
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November 6, 2019 3:44pm
Michael

Thank God our lot aren’t as bad as this lot in USA.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15127/corrupt-impeachment-resolution
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November 6, 2019 4:18pm
- igm
  
  The left here are every bit as bad, just on a smaller scale.
  
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  November 6, 2019 5:07pm
- stephieboy
  
  Michael,
  
  “Chris Farrell is a former counterintelligence case officer. For the past 20 years, he has served as the Director of Investigations & Research for Judicial Watch. The views expressed are the author’s alone, and not necessarily those of Judicial Watch.”
  
  Says it all!
  
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  November 6, 2019 8:07pm
igm

Definitely the wrong colour and ethnicity:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/117198101/man-who-attacked-james-shaw-got-jail-because-he-would-not-agree-to-home-detention
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November 6, 2019 4:20pm
- sooty
  
  Be intersting to see how long he serves, seen as he’s white!
  
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  November 6, 2019 5:29pm
- chaos
  
  Poor guy I hope he is getting the support he needs, Sounds like he needs a bit of counselling
  
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  November 6, 2019 6:30pm
  - stephieboy
    
    White ethnicity obviously resonates with you lot!
    
    Why the fuss?
    
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    November 6, 2019 8:08pm
    - chaos
      
      Actually idiot if you read the article you would know that his partner had a miscarriage and he obviously was struggling mentally. So yes he needs help to deal with the grief and anger problems he has.
      
      Stupidity obviously resonates with you a lot
      
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      November 6, 2019 9:16pm
mikenmildagain

Good news! The Guardian has introduced a specific Aotearoa/New Zealand section from the front page of its international edition.
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November 6, 2019 5:02pm
- rangitoto
  
  Not on “Socialist Worker”? Cindy will be disappointed.
  
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  November 6, 2019 7:22pm
- sooty
  
  Yes I can see why you are pleased with that news
  Everybody else, not so much!
  
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  November 6, 2019 8:59pm
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA …

Desperate developers shower commissions to sell dud apartments … Leith van Onselen … MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/11/desperate-developers-shower-commissions-to-sell-dud-apartments/

The AFR reports that desperate developers are offering “eye watering” commissions of up to 13% in order to clear their apartment backlog: read more via hyperlink above …
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Agents offered ‘eye-watering’ 13pc commission to sell apartments … AFR

https://www.afr.com/property/residential/agents-offered-eye-watering-13pc-commission-to-sell-apartments-20191105-p537jo
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November 6, 2019 5:08pm
Maggie Pie

I’m just trying to think of the last time i fell asleep in the shower.

Anybody?

LOL!
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November 6, 2019 5:11pm
- chaos
  
  No, I’m not a perv so haven’t got a telescope on your bathroom, I’m sure somewhere might be able to tell you though
  
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  November 6, 2019 6:28pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    But surely chaos, just from experience, doesn’t it seem strange to you that the defence lawyers in the murder case of Grace Mullane, would use this as an excuse on the accused’s behalf?
    
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    November 6, 2019 6:49pm
    - chaos
      
      I’m not following the case so no idea it was part of that. But since you have mentioned it is part of the case I’m guessing if you really fall asleep in the shower it would either be medical or substance abuse? Sounds like a load of shit though. I’d expect the jury would see right past it.
      
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      November 6, 2019 7:16pm
sooty

Whinstone was outed when Jan Trotman claimed her super and named Whinstone as defacto partner!
Suck that kumera!
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November 6, 2019 5:41pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/117145686/officials-reject-christchurch-rebuild-workers-visa-because-of-leukaemia

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11837608

You have to have committed incedent acts (sexual emergencies) on girls, whilst on bail, shown no remorse and failed to to complete rehab to stay here.
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November 6, 2019 5:43pm
- chaos
  
  Health issues have seen rejected from visas etc for a long time now. Nothing new
  
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  November 6, 2019 6:26pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Michael Woodhouse sends his forgiving love Chaos.
    
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    November 6, 2019 7:30pm
- stephieboy
  
  Rodney Randall, now what if it was a David White hailing from England?
  
  What then?
  
  Out with the same theatrical tears kit?
  
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  November 6, 2019 8:12pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    “Stephie- is this the same Stephieboy?
    PERVWATCH
    A division of Groperwatch
    Today we look at one of Kiwiblogs Creeps.
    Yes, it’s STEPHIEBOY who has had Strikes for linking to porn sites on KB and constantly harasses women.
    Who has such a lack of judgement.
    Yes, it’s STEPHIEBOY.
    
    ‘19,565 COMMENTS
    stephieboy
    Yesterday I was at the Robert Harris cafe St Lukes Megacentre , Mt Albert enjoying a cappuccino. I noticed next door three Muslim women enjoying their lattes with their children . Two of these honeypots .were wearing their Nijabs with stylish jeans and blouses . The other in more typical kiwi informal attire?
    Thumb up 7 Thumb down 36REPLY REPORTAUGUST 21, 2016 8:51AM’
    
    ‘Honeypots’!!!
    And this;
    
    recently i was at St Luke’s shopping mall and I saw a Muslim lady dressed in traditional apparel accompanied by her two beautiful young daughters dressed in modern western tight jeans and blouses , revealing lovely supple body proportions , including small but ample breasts .
    Thumb up 1 Thumb down 16REPLY REPORTDECEMBER 3, 2015 2:26
    
    Wow, just wow.
    PERVWATCH is brought to you as a public service to out the creeps amongst us.’ “
    
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    November 6, 2019 9:24pm
Maggie Pie

The weather has been sooo beautiful and warm over the last few days, we’ve spent a fair bit of time in the pool. One thing i did notice, was that my partner is not nearly as cut as he was last summer.
I just txt him this link in the hope he takes the hint 😛

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIoyKSzWkAEIFNF?format=jpg&name=small
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November 6, 2019 7:41pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Dump him for a younger version this summer.
  
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  November 6, 2019 9:44pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    I’m still trying to figure out which of you two is the Agony Aunt. 😉
    
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    November 6, 2019 10:36pm
chaos

* Turkey has captured the sister of slain Daesh leader Abu Bakr al Baghdadi in the northern Syrian town of Azaz. Awad was captured from a trailer container she was living in with her family. A senior Turkish official has called the arrest an intelligence “gold mine.” *

https://www.trtworld.com/video/social-videos/turkey-captures-sister-of-slain-daesh-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi/5dc17ff96e2a1a00111d2e15
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November 6, 2019 8:03pm
chaos

* New Zealand is set to host an international space mission to help tackle climate change, and the Government is pledging $26 million towards the project.

It’s an international satellite that that locates and measures methane from human sources worldwide, Research, Science and Innovation Minister Megan Woods announced Wednesday. *

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/11/new-zealand-to-host-international-space-mission-tackling-climate-change.html
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November 6, 2019 8:21pm
- niggly
  
  What a load of crap and a waste of taxpayer’s money!
  
  Why not use that money instead for something like satellite tracking of illegal fishing boats plundering our EEZ (and our Pacific neighbours)?
  
  Or on something else that’s practical like say, poverty reduction, or mental health or Pharmac?
  
  These COL muppets are raiding the taxpayer to pay for a make-believe problem looking for a solution!
  
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