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Maggie Pie

QUESTION FOR THE DAY 😀

Is Andrew Little a stoner?

Asking for a friend.
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December 5, 2019 8:00am
- Simon
  
  Is Little a junkie? He is angry enough to be a junkie.
  
  How many in parliament are on meth?
  
  They should all be drug tested randomly twice a year.
  
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  December 5, 2019 8:17am
  - Tall Man
    
    They should be tested for intellectual capacity long before they get into the house.
    
    Look at the list lineup of labour… A cumulative IQ not much higher than the chickens in the clip below.
    
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    December 5, 2019 8:47am
    - Simon
      
      Many of Labo MPs are selected because they are thick. Arden Robertson etc don’t want capable people around it would just get embarrassing
      
      Latest example is Poto Williams She, like so many Labo thickes, goes to parliament to eat her lunch and say yes to whatever spews out Ardern”s cake hole.
      
      Year of delivery proclaims Ardern. Watch all those half wit Labo MP clowns clap like trained seals. It’s their system.
      
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      December 5, 2019 9:12am
      - curry4me
        
        Imagine how much trouble if competent people like Prebs, Mike Moore, Caygill, and Roger Douglas were managing Labour’s socialist policies now. Thank God they’re all so incompetent.
        
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        December 5, 2019 6:02pm
    - G152
      
      Their resting IQ should be at least greater than a damp lettuce leaf
      
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      December 5, 2019 9:14am
      - Tall Man
        
        And they’re not ;(
        
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        December 5, 2019 6:48pm
    - peterwn
      
      With or without heads?
      
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      December 5, 2019 10:57am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… little assured Hosking that he was not a ‘user’, but took advise from ‘experts’ on this cannabis caper.
  
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  December 5, 2019 8:38am
  - hullkiwi
    
    @kevn, he said the same on RNZ yesterday. Left me remembering the verbal gymnastics of one William Jefferson Clinton when answering questions about whether he had ever partaken in consumption of dope.
    What Little didn’t say, was had never smoked or consumed, he merely said he wasn’t a user. A big difference.
    
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    December 5, 2019 8:53am
    - sooty
      
      How many do you need to be a user?
      
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      December 5, 2019 9:57am
      - DigNap15
        
        14 grams
        
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        December 5, 2019 10:41am
- I will not surrender
  
  I just saw this
  
  https://www.sciencealert.com/men-who-smoke-marijuana-daily-may-be-more-likely-to-get-testicular-cancer
  
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  December 5, 2019 8:41am
  - SPC
    
    So smoking dope daily has no impact on oral, neck or lung cancer rates – but an increased risk for the more easily treated testicular cancer.
    
    “Though the researchers found no association between regular marijuana use and lung, neck, or oral cancer, they did find that regular weed smoking over many years could heighten a man’s risk of testicular cancer.”
    
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    December 5, 2019 9:12am
  - Bullion
    
    Put that into perspective. Quick google saw that chance is 1 in 270 to get testicular cancer (0.37%) and a 36% increase of risk from smoking marijuana daily for more than 10 years means risk is now about 0.5% (1 in 199) to get testicular cancer.
    
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    December 5, 2019 9:47am
- chaos
  
  labour under Andrew on cannabis
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/yes-have-andrew-little-admits-trying-cannabis-wants-answers-health-concerns-before-liberalisation
  
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  December 5, 2019 8:44am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Andrew doesn’t inhale though. He just sucks 😀
    
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    December 5, 2019 9:15am
    - 453mm
      
      Comment of the day.
      
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      December 5, 2019 10:22am
- skyblue
  
  Do bears shit in Woods?
  
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  December 5, 2019 9:33am
mikenmildagain

Your comment is awaiting moderation.

What a morning! Not only is it International Volunteer Day for Economic and Social Development, but it is also World Soil Day!
Celebrate by voluntering some time to develop the social potential of soil – perhaps mix some soil with water and fling it at people you despise.

[Mod – don’t come here and advocate violence! And by the way, the moderators are volunteers too]
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December 5, 2019 8:01am
- SGA
  
  the social potential of soil
  
  You mean like mud-wrestling?
  
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  December 5, 2019 8:26am
- Tall Man
  
  You really are off your game these days.
  
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  December 5, 2019 8:45am
  - sooty
    
    Off his meds, aswell!
    
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    December 5, 2019 9:59am
Swifty

Chicken farmer laughs like a chicken:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vOv8Fy1BKg

🙂
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December 5, 2019 8:03am
Swifty

That odd and bitter poster Martin Williams was on here the other day saying that National’s Foundation will need to be investigated as NZ First modelled theirs on it.

I said he was wrong then and now, oh, what’s this?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117941305/winston-peters-says-the-nz-first-foundation-is-similar-to-the-national-partys-foundation-heres-how-it-isnt

NZ First’s foundation is not being used as a capital fund, there are huge numbers of donations not declared, big donation mismatches in the records and now we have a leader refusing to answer legitimate questions about it.

It’s a swing and a miss from Martin and not for the first time. He really must try harder.
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December 5, 2019 8:13am
- chaos
  
  He just makes everything up, lives in his own delusions. Must be a lawyer.
  
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  December 5, 2019 8:42am
  - srylands
    
    It can’t surely be the Hawkes Bay lawyer
    
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    December 5, 2019 8:51am
- Tall Man
  
  “He really must try harder.”
  
  He’s at capacity now which is why he appears so thick.
  
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  December 5, 2019 8:44am
- Prince
  
  National’s Foundation generates interest which is used by the Party, and donations are declared as required by law.
  NZ First uses the fund to pay Party expenses, and donations are not declared, as required by law.
  
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  December 5, 2019 9:12am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I think you’ll find the NFZ Foundation has been carefully lawyered to avoid the Electoral Act. If people are not really sure, of who they are actually donating to or its purposes, it could be easy to lawfully divert it into an entity that makes loans to NZF. The loans are probably not donations to the Party.
    
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    December 5, 2019 2:24pm
- Lee C
  
  What a sad way to end up – becoming a self-appointed cheerleader for Winston Peters.
  
  Do you think he ever looks in the mirror and ask himself “Exactly when was it I lost Contact with my principles?”
  
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  December 5, 2019 1:15pm
alloytoo

Climate porn on Breakfast this morning.

Unfortunately no one has the brains to ask their “Guest” the uncomfortable questions.
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December 5, 2019 8:15am
Justitia

“Curiouser and curiouser!” Cried Alice (she was so much surprised, that for the moment she quite forgot how to speak good English).”

Alice exclaims in amazement after falling down the coalition rabbit hole of lies, evasion and obfuscation.
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December 5, 2019 8:17am
Maggie Pie

Executive ‘suicide’?

Jeffery Epstein’s Private Banker at ‘Deutsche & Citi’ Found Swinging From a Rope 🙁

https://twitter.com/true_pundit/status/1202290250187456513

more to come…
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December 5, 2019 8:22am
- Blackbob
  
  Arkancide at work?
  
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  December 5, 2019 8:40am
- chaos
  
  I see people are starting to question what the Queen knew, she can’t let this go on too much longer.
  
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  December 5, 2019 8:40am
  - MCos
    
    Another 93 years if that’s what it takes
    
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    December 5, 2019 8:55am
  - 453mm
    
    It’ll all come out on season 23 of The Crown.
    
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    December 5, 2019 10:25am
- The King
  
  Epsteins plastic surgeon died in a plane crash a few days ago too.
  
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  December 5, 2019 4:01pm
Simon

How long before National & Labo’s biggest donors start machine gunning Hong Kongers?
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December 5, 2019 8:23am
- Tall Man
  
  You really are an idiot.
  
  Time to grab another violin I think.
  
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  December 5, 2019 8:54am
  - Simon
    
    You really are an idiot.
    
    lol. How is the SFO investigation into National party “donations” going.
    
    https://twitter.com/Anne_MarieBrady/status/1201797314337050625
    
    His speech warrants reading in Hansard for new details he revealed on $150,000 donation @NZNationalParty @toddmcclaymp received from China-based LANG Lin via his NZ-registered company Mongolian Horse. NZ famous for ease of setting up companies–& money-laundering. #PanamaPapers
    
    Tip of the ice berg you sad little deluded Natz party fluffer.
    
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    December 5, 2019 10:35am
    - chaos
      
      Poor jami is no one listening to you still, might be time to go visit that lovely padded cell you so surely belong in
      
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      December 5, 2019 12:26pm
hullkiwi

This morning in an interview broadcast on RNZ Morning Report before 7.30am, the NZ public were provided with the inference that Internal Affairs will not hold people to account when public funds distributed to a charity are misused for personal benefit. The interview I’m referring to was RNZ’s Political Editor Jo Moir interviewing the Deputy Chief Executive of Internal Affairs about the outcome of the special audits into the Hepatitis Charity. In summary, Robertson’s (the Deputy CE) attitude was:
1. Nobody will be disciplined;
2. We don’t care if public funds given to the charity were diverted for personal benefit;
3. We are not concerned about openness & transparency (the special audit report was buried for 2 years and was released only after an OUA request); and
4. Those that should be held accountable may at worst “get a slap over the wrists with a wet bus ticket” (Moir’ own words).

Wonderful, we have a government and senior bureaucrats in Wellington who do not give a rats ar*e abouts concepts of accountability and responsibility to the people they serve. And when their their failures are highlighted they continue to close ranks and say “nothing to see here, move along”.

Why as citizens and taxpayers do we continue to put up with this arrogance (which also reveals a stunning level of ignorance) in our public service?
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December 5, 2019 8:26am
- cmm
  
  All they measure is how much they give away – not what they achieve. Therefore of course they do not care about how the money is spent.
  
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  December 5, 2019 8:31am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  who have they been protecting?
  
  The Department of Internal Affairs is defending the Hepatitis Foundation and says publicly shaming it does nothing to help the charity sector.
  
  It’s not the entire charity sector that is at fault here.
  
  It appears to be one individual/one organisation.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/404858/internal-affairs-criticises-public-beating-up-of-hepatitis-foundation-over-report
  
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  December 5, 2019 8:38am
- plc
  
  I have no doubt that the DIA’s Deputy Chief Executive’s biggest concern is the advancement of her own career.
  
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  December 5, 2019 8:38am
  - Paulus
    
    No great promotion problem – all advancements at the senior level are assured – they all appear to be women currently – the list is growing exponentially.
    
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    December 5, 2019 11:03am
- Simon
  
  “Internal Affairs will not hold people to account when public funds distributed to a charity are misused for personal benefit.”
  
  This would a civil court case. About money that has historically been pissed away. The Trustees dispute they have done anything wrong.
  
  This would a civil case against the Trustees by the funder. Ministry of Health I suppose in this case.
  
  The Trustees would have indemnity insurance as condition to receive public money. But the cost of a court case would out weigh the benefits. That money is gone gone gone.
  
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  December 5, 2019 8:40am
  - Tall Man
    
    “The Trustees would have indemnity insurance as condition to receive public money.”
    
    I very much doubt these dickheads would have “invested” in adequate “Trustee Liability” and I very much doubt any underwriter would agree to indemnify calculated theft by a chairman.
    
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    December 5, 2019 8:53am
    - Simon
      
      “I very much doubt these dickheads would have “invested” in adequate “Trustee Liability” ”
      
      It would be compulsory under any funding arrangement with the State. Fraud etc obviously not covered by indemnity policy.
      
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      December 5, 2019 10:32am
      - Tall Man
        
        “It would be compulsory under any funding arrangement with the State.”
        
        Aaaannnd it’s not!
        
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        December 5, 2019 3:10pm
  - Prince
    
    Amazing. So fraud is ok, but spend the money quickly.
    What a society we live in.
    
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    December 5, 2019 9:15am
lastmanstanding

A random question regarding the Cannabis Bill.

Is this a case of a bunch of potheads making law so another bunch of potheads can go and get themselves wasted.
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December 5, 2019 8:27am
- Maggie Pie
  
  And have you noticed that 90% of cannabis legalisation supporters are no hopers?
  
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  December 5, 2019 8:30am
  - The King
    
    lol boomer
    
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    December 5, 2019 4:02pm
- hullkiwi
  
  It is about middle class liberals legalizing what they and there mates have been doing and giving themselves “legitimate” sources to obtain “quality controlled” dope of a common standard.
  
  So as usual, the whole approach and measure is completely dishonest.
  
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  December 5, 2019 8:32am
- Yadayada
  
  Oh ffs, last man!
  
  Stop taking extreme positions with mass hyperbole and think logically.
  
  The bill is about harm minimisation amongst a large percentage of NZ’ers who smoke it. It also helps in the war on gangs by taking away one of their revenue streams. It takes a black market, unregulated and wild, and shines a bit of sunlight on it.
  
  Surely you’re not for keeping the gangs in business?
  
  Are you?
  
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  December 5, 2019 8:42am
  - hullkiwi
    
    “Harm minimisation”, how?
    
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    December 5, 2019 8:56am
  - alloytoo
    
    There is no evidence to suggest this will have any effect on the black market. Quite the opposite.
    
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    December 5, 2019 9:04am
  - chaos
    
    This actually won’t put gangs out of businesses, if they can’t sell it legally they will move to something else, but I would guess their main source of drug money is not cannabis and won’t be damaged by this law, as they will make more money from p. To be honest I have seen no police raids where gangs are having their property, cars, and millions of dollars taken off them for cannabis, it is always p
    
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    December 5, 2019 9:22am
    - sooty
      
      Where is the roadside drug testing?
      
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      December 5, 2019 10:04am
      - chaos
        
        On the side of the road in Australia
        
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        December 5, 2019 11:46am
    - Paulus
      
      The gangs treat Cannabis as a subsidiary sales point to the improvement for their market following directly to P.
      More money to be made from P anyway.
      
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      December 5, 2019 11:06am
  - rockape
    
    No I would be for smashing their doors down on an irregular basis all times of the day and night. taking their guns off them Banning their patches and removing any property they have that they cant show an income source that allowed them to buy. Oh and yes toughen up on canabis users who pay them .
    
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    December 5, 2019 9:35am
    - IC5000
      
      I think the police are accepting applications. Time to step up hardman and back your words.
      
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      December 5, 2019 10:58am
  - Tall Man
    
    Silly boy. Gangs have grown in both Colorado and Canada.
    
    Maybe you need a little less weed to regain cognitive reasoning.
    
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    December 5, 2019 9:48am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Methinks my fellow KBer have answered your pot fuelled rant for me.
    
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    December 5, 2019 4:11pm
    - lastmanstanding
      
      This reply was meant for Yadayada. Alas the reply system appears to be faulty as it doesnt put the reply under the correct post. Never mind.
      
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      December 5, 2019 4:12pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Yes
  
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  December 5, 2019 8:45am
- Swifty
  
  Know your dope fiend. Your life may depend on it.
  
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  December 5, 2019 9:12am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Know your dope fiend’s car and ~~slash~~ let the air out of the tyres to keep them off the road
    
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    December 5, 2019 10:09am
- SPC
  
  Taxing the THC content in dope will allow the cheapest stuff to be low THC.
  
  Thus all those excluded from medicinal marijuana will be able to buy low THC product – that has the other compound they are seeking for medical use.
  
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  December 5, 2019 9:16am
  - Paulus
    
    Who tests for the THC content and how is this done ?
    
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    December 5, 2019 11:07am
Wired-one

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117933089/former-nz-first-officials-keen-to-talk-to-select-committee-inquiry-on-foundation

For those who missed this yesterday. Hopefully Peter’s gets what he deserves.
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December 5, 2019 8:30am
- Chris2
  
  The question is: Will the media pursue this story in the same way it gave oxygen to Jamie-Lee Ross and the allegations he made about National Party donations?
  
  Come on Tova, give Jamie-Lee a break and prove to us that you are an impartial reporter by going after NZF.
  
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  December 5, 2019 9:01am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Tova, independent, journalist, you are soooooo funny bro’!
    
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    December 5, 2019 12:45pm
- hullkiwi
  
  The Labour members on the committee will ensure that these people will have difficulty giving their evidence. This is because it will highlight what a sham Tuesday/Wednesday’s piece of urgent legislation was.
  
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  December 5, 2019 9:10am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “Peter’s”
  
  Reported for apostrophe abuse.
  
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  December 5, 2019 9:25am
cmm

“Mongrel Mob ‘Media Liaison’ among those calling on the Govt not to further arm police ”

So now we have criminal organisations lobbying to change policing tactics. I suppose at least they have the health and safety of their workers at heart.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12291014

MM are not just a couple of cuzzies selling tinnies in the pub carpark.

If they have hired “Media Liaison” they are organised crime.
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December 5, 2019 8:30am
- JibberJabber
  
  I read last week that the “media liaison” was working gratis, I wondered then if there was a debt being paid off.
  Who would hire this person now if, she is as claimed, a professional PR person?
  
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  December 5, 2019 8:43am
  - Stephen Russell
    
    Gang members are not bad people. They are innocent victims of colonialism and oppression by the patriarchy, and evil capitalist aristocrats and (insert as required).
    
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    December 5, 2019 9:49am
    - sooty
      
      If the media liaison is working gratis.
      Must be taking goods in kind?
      Now that is interesting!
      
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      December 5, 2019 10:07am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      And, we were recently told by an old gang member on Nat Radio, gangs are really just nice social clubs. Gang members who sell drugs are just the exception – nothing to do with the nice social club!
      
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      December 5, 2019 1:21pm
- Simon
  
  Well the IRA had the Sinn Fein.
  
  She should probably operate under her own set of conditions like a Trust deed. Call it Community Out Reach for the Good of the All Trust. Or the Pink Fluffy News Story Outreach Trust.
  
  In a few years time the Trust, propaganda arm of the mob would get massive government funding to promote Well Being of those at the margins of society.
  
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  December 5, 2019 8:50am
- igm
  
  MM control gaols so indirectly, they must have a fair control over this gutless and spineless CoL.
  
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  December 5, 2019 8:57am
Chuck Bird

I wonder if Cindy thinks she own Maynard Hawkins an appolgy.

Maynard Hawkins: Executive pilots ‘sacrificed’ in the effort to apportion blame for Erebus

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=12290804
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December 5, 2019 8:32am
- Jade Warrior
  
  What a pity that article is behind the NZ Herald paywall. As I haven’t read it I wouldn’t be able to comment but those “executive pilots” who have been “sacrificed” could have made life a whole lot easier for themselves if they hadn’t stonewalled at the Mahon inquiry and been a lot more honest about the airline’s mistakes.
  
  If Air NZ’s witnesses had been prepared to admit they had made mistakes, perhaps Mahon would have taken a softer line with the airline in his final report. He might even have decided to leave his famous phrase out of his final report.
  
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  December 5, 2019 9:07am
  - sooty
    
    What would she wear on her head to give appolgy?
    
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    December 5, 2019 10:10am
    - Sideoiler
      
      What would she wear on her head to give appolgy?
      
      Well DUH! a flying helmet surely.
      https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/funny-woman-pilot-isolated-on-white-361047470
      
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      December 5, 2019 12:17pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        One eyed, how appropriate!
        
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        December 5, 2019 12:48pm
    - mark15
      
      A mountain.
      
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      December 5, 2019 12:24pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Jade, you have a point but that Captain Collins was totally blameless and Air NZ at totally at fault was wrong. Paul Holmes was a good talker and not that logical. He meant well but was simply wrong.
    
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    December 5, 2019 11:53am
- rockape
  
  Sorry cant agree. In my flying days you were the captain that means you are responsible. I never flew where I couldnt see without knowing where I was and where the highest ground was in relation to me. Anymore than I would drive down the road now blindfold with my wife giving me instructions. There are rules called Instrument flying rules, obviously not obeyed in this case, I have no doubt the Captain was under pressure to break them.
  
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  December 5, 2019 10:18am
  - Jade Warrior
    
    There’s the rub rockape. Captain Collins was satisfied that he did know where he was and that there was no high ground in the immediate vicinity of the aircraft. If he didn’t know he would not have brought the aircraft back on its nav track at the conclusion of his second descending orbit.
    
    I am also totally unconvinced that the Captain was “under pressure” to break anything. Captain Collins had a flawless flying record and I consider it implausible he would be pressured into taking any action that might compromise the safety of the aircraft.
    
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    December 5, 2019 10:48am
Tony Norriss

The arguments in favour of legalising cannabis could be made for other drugs such as P and Heroin. So, anyone who argues for legalising cannabis should also approve of the legalisation of all drugs.

On the other hand, I don’t believe that the fact that two socially harmful drugs (alcohol and tobacco) are legal is a convincing argument for more socially harmful drugs to be made legal.
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December 5, 2019 8:34am
- srylands
  
  “So, anyone who argues for legalising cannabis should also approve of the legalisation of all drugs.”
  
  Sorry that fails.
  
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  December 5, 2019 8:54am
- SPC
  
  Not really, heroin and P are addictive – as is the nicotine in tobacco. Which is why their availability should be controlled.
  
  Marijuana is not, and in that is more like alcohol. Marijuana use is not more socially harmful than alcohol.
  
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  December 5, 2019 9:06am
  - Tony Norriss
    
    You obviously have never experienced someone in your family circle who is addicted to cannabis.
    
    One person I know went through $5000 in a week on the stuff.
    
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    December 5, 2019 9:56am
    - SGA
      
      $5000? That sounds like an awful lot of weed. Are you 100% sure that cannabis is the only drug that they had a problem with?
      
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      December 5, 2019 10:23am
      - SPC
        
        In the US they found only 2.2%, are spending more than $5,000 per year.
        
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        December 5, 2019 10:38am
      - Tony Norriss
        
        Absolutely. He had a “windfall” of $5000. Whatever he had at that stage would go on weed.
        
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        December 5, 2019 11:26am
      - srylands
        
        That is about 750 grams or roughly 800 joints.
        
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        December 5, 2019 12:52pm
    - SPC
      
      Alcohol is not addictive, but there are still alcoholics.
      
      $5000 worth in a week – is that even possible?
      
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      December 5, 2019 10:31am
      - Tony Norriss
        
        Since it happened, yes, it was.
        
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        December 5, 2019 12:29pm
      - srylands
        
        No it is not possible. He would need to smoke 120 joints per day.
        
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        December 5, 2019 12:53pm
      - Mark Lloyd
        
        I suspect from reading various replies that a purchase of 5K was made but consumption of 5k worth within a week is nigh on impossible IMHO
        
        Disclaimer – it all depends on how many pot heads you invite round for the party. enough heads could see the heads consumed
        
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        December 5, 2019 1:21pm
    - Mark Lloyd
      
      5K!! Reeeeeeeeeallly?????
      
      Even at mates rates of 300 per ounce that 2.3 ounces per day!!
      
      I’m a fairly regular smoker and have been for years. I would normally take multiple weeks/ up to a month to chew through a single oz even if I’m having a puff per day!!
      
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      December 5, 2019 10:43am
    - IC5000
      
      So how much is an ounce of weed these days? I’ll be generous and say $500 per ounce which means your relative was smoking 10 ounces a week.
      
      Calling bullshit on your claim.
      
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      December 5, 2019 11:03am
      - Mark Lloyd
        
        350 – 450 depending on market factors so yeah 5K a week is utter bollocks
        
        300 at lowest if bush and non hydro
        
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        December 5, 2019 11:31am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        $500.00 on weed, $4500.00 on macca’s
        
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        December 5, 2019 12:53pm
    - Colville
      
      Bollocks.
      $5K is 1000 joints.
      3 J/grm and $400/oz @ 27grm
      140 a day.
      LOL
      
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      December 5, 2019 12:53pm
      - IC5000
        
        Could be some boutique high end draw derived from a specific strain.
        
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        December 5, 2019 1:32pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Absolutely. Use of psychoactive substances by consenting adults should be legal. In forty years time, the current prohibition will seem as ridiculous as laws against homsexual relations seem now
  
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  December 5, 2019 9:10am
  - srylands
    
    Well a sizeable minority do not support legalisation of homosexual relations. Some vocally, but many more silently.
    
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    December 5, 2019 12:56pm
- SGA
  
  Not really – some of the arguments in favor of legalising cannabis could be made for other drugs. At an extreme, a libertarian approach might hold that what people want to put in their bodies is entirely their own business, for example.
  
  I think the difference now in many people’s attitude toward cannabis is simply generational experience. Roughly speaking, many of us born 1960+ have tried or used cannabis with few harmful consequences. Nearly all of us have had friends who were occasional or frequent users. And, looking back, most of us remember more incidents of alcohol causing problems (especially violence or reckless behaviour) than cannabis. With this in mind, I think that a good number of people (not just “stoners”) are more relaxed about the idea of loosening the laws around cannabis and making them more like the laws around alcohol. The same isn’t true for heroin, say.
  
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  December 5, 2019 9:32am
- Than
  
  To some degree, sure.
  
  The legality of any drug should be evaluated rationally, with criteria including how harmful is it, how addictive is it, and (pragmatically) how much people would use it anyway if it was illegal. Alcohol provides a good benchmark – if the level of addictiveness and harm are similar or less than alcohol, then IMO the substance should probably be legal.
  
  On all of these criteria, there is a much stronger case for P and heroin to be illegal than cannabis. They’re more addictive. They’re more harmful (both in health affects to the user, and potentially damage to other people/property from their behaviour while high). And right now far fewer people use them compared to cannabis.
  
  But something like (say) ecstasy, yes, there could well be a case for legalization.
  
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  December 5, 2019 11:19am
  - Colville
    
    Agreed.
    MDMA should be legal.
    But the booze barons will fight that tooth and nail because it will kill their profits.
    
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    December 5, 2019 12:55pm
chaos

Stuff are telling us that Aussie may let the refugees come to New Zealand.

* Australia repeals refugee evacuation laws, could opens door for New Zealand offer*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/117952319/australia-repeals-manus-nauru-refugee-evacuation-laws

But nowhere in the article does Australia actually say that, fake news stuff, you actually have to go read an Aussie news site to get the answer

* Scott Morrison has hinted he is not prepared to revive an offer from New Zealand to resettle offshore asylum seekers to gain the critical vote his government needs to repeal the contentious medevac laws.*

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/scott-morrison-not-for-turning-on-new-zealand-resettlement-deal-20191202-p53g35.html
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December 5, 2019 8:34am
- igm
  
  Bring them here then watch Aus change rules of entry for Kiwis (real ones) in general . . . and one cannot blame them.
  
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  December 5, 2019 8:58am
  - sooty
    
    Yep, they are going to slam that gate shut!
    Cindys aunt stuffed it the first time around!
    
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    December 5, 2019 12:04pm
  - Michael
    
    and they should shut the gate to us all.
    its called consequences.
    Cindy et all don’t understand that in their arrogance.
    
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    December 5, 2019 3:46pm
- Ian Hawthorn
  
  Not surprised. Jacinda has always wanted to hug refugees in front of the cameras. It is what she cares about most.
  
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  December 5, 2019 1:50pm
chaos

* A lobbyist known for his ties to the inner circle of President Donald Trump has been indicted on campaign finance charges for allegedly using straw donors to conceal contributions to Trump’s 2016 rival, Hillary Clinton, the Justice Department revealed on Tuesday.

The lobbyist, George Nader, a Lebanese-American businessman, has acted as an informal conduit between Trump’s top advisers and various Middle Eastern interests. He also served as a witness in special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into election interference…….

In July, Nader pleaded not guilty to unrelated charges of importing child pornography and traveling with a minor to engage in sexual activity. Nader pleaded guilty to other federal child pornography charges in 1991. A lawyer for Nader, Jonathan Jeffress, did not immediately respond to a request for comment.*

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/03/george-nader-mueller-indicted-campaign-finance-075046
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December 5, 2019 8:39am
- Scott
  
  Chaos – not sure what point you are making?
  
  But while we are on all things Trump, the faux impeachment hearings have started again with some lectures from angry far left law professors. This particular one from Prof Pamela is especially egregious. Her hectoring style is very hard to take. I defy anyone to be able to watch uninterrupted the whole nine minutes of this angry leftist harangue.
  
  For what it’s worth I would say shut down this whole impeachment hearing. It would be good for everyone’s mental health. 🙂
  
  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-and-gop-decry-liberal-backgrounds-of-legal-scholars-in-impeachment-hearing
  
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  December 5, 2019 9:01am
  - SGA
    
    For what it’s worth I would say shut down this whole impeachment hearing. It would be good for everyone’s mental health.
    
    I can’t see that happening, Scott 🙂
    I suspect that the effect on one’s mental health is proportional to one’s emotional commitment to the issue. As you know, I am no fan of Trump, but really I follow most of his presidency in an amused, interested, but somewhat detached, way.
    (In fact, I probably find his NZ acolytes more interesting than the man himself).
    
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    December 5, 2019 10:14am
  - Than
    
    Oh give it up. Your Orange messiah is going to be impeached, there’s nothing you can do about it. What an utterly terrible president he was will be engraved into history.
    
    Just take comfort in the fact that he won’t be removed from office (until 2020 anyway), because the Republican party is utterly lacking in moral values and will completely ignore even the most blatant corruption.
    
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    December 5, 2019 11:30am
    - chaos
      
      Oh give up pedophiles being caught why is that? And no he may be your wet dream but he isn’t my messiah, and no he won’t be impeached simply because the numbers are not there for him to be impeached. They may of had the numbers to censure him, but they won’t to impeach.
      
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      December 5, 2019 12:30pm
    - Scott
      
      Than – you prove my point. Think how much your mental health will improve once this whole impeachment thing goes away.
      
      But look, Trump is going to the polls again in 2020 where the American people will render their verdict. I strongly suspect he will be re-elected by a substantial margin. I cannot see anyone in the Democrat field that will give him a run for his money? Sleepy Joe is not going to do it. Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are too radical. Mayor Pete seems a nice fellow but the black community are very unlikely to vote for a gay president who has little real accomplishments to his name.
      
      So write this down – Trump for a second term in 2020. Nikki Haley for president in 2024?
      
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      December 5, 2019 2:07pm
    - The King
      
      Seething orange man bad.
      
      [NPC voice] REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
      
      ITS ALL TRUMPS FAULT MY LIFE IS SHITTY AND IM A LOSER
      
      FUCK THAT ORANGE CHEETO REEEEEEEEEE
      
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      December 5, 2019 4:07pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Ahahahahahaha
      Than sounds quite triggered.
      This farce is such entertainment
      
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      December 5, 2019 5:08pm
- All_on_Red
  
  AFAIK Nader only attended one meeting between UAE officials and Kushner, Flynn and Bannon.
  And that was that.
  He’s a Clinton stooge
  
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  December 5, 2019 11:09am
  - chaos
    
    Yeah, and not just another Clinton stooge but another Clinton linked pedophile
    
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    December 5, 2019 11:49am
curry4me

Nice old grandpa Corbyn wants to tax pensioners to buy young people’s votes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL0MURi-RIw
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December 5, 2019 8:47am
- Tall Man
  
  It seems ardern and corbyn have managed to get themselves the same advisers. They are both trotting out the “let me finish” while they are fervently “not” answering the question being posed.
  
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  December 5, 2019 9:07am
curry4me

Hong Kong style protests spread to China.
https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2019/12/02/protesters-within-china-defy-communists-just-like-you-hong-kong/
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December 5, 2019 8:48am
Maggie Pie

My partner retweets…

“There’s some really sick b~~tards out there”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EK4TUpNXYAEjz5N?format=jpg&name=small
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December 5, 2019 9:05am
UrbanNeocolonialist

Trump’s ineffectual wall:
https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-viral-video-shows-men-going-over-wall-trump-said-cant-be-climbed-in-mere-seconds/

Berlin wall was a better design, large diameter rounded top was really hard to get purchase on to climb over. But really the whole physical barrier idea is pointless – too easy to bring special tools to bear, and any wall can be holed by equipment costing a few hundred dollars. Need guards (can be automated) backed by weaponry to be at all effective.
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December 5, 2019 9:06am
- chaos
  
  Would be interesting to see how the rope ladder was put up there.
  
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  December 5, 2019 9:44am
  - All_on_Red
    
    They caught the guys because the sensors in the Wall went off.
    Here’s a video Statement from CBP
    https://mobile.twitter.com/cbp/status/1202425774051119111
    
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    December 5, 2019 5:06pm
- Scott
  
  Urban neocolonial – yeah yeah, walls don’t work. That’s why every mediaeval city used to have a wall. That’s why the rich have mansions surrounded by a wall. That’s why the semi-rich live in gated communities with guards and a wall. That’s why Israel built a wall to keep out Palestinian terrorists.
  
  The trouble with walls is that they do work. That’s why the globalist Democrats are opposed to them. They don’t want walls across the American southern border with Mexico because that would stop the next generation of Democrat voters from sneaking into the country. The Democrats haven’t won the white vote in the USA since 1964. They need those Hispanic voters sneaking across the border.
  
  That’s why the Democrats are so opposed to the wall because walls work.
  
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  December 5, 2019 10:09am
  - IC5000
    
    Most Mexicans are god fearing Catholic traditionalists. So why are you persecuting these people who simply want to start families and worship god.
    
    It sounds like you hate Christianity Scott?
    
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    December 5, 2019 11:08am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Ironically the god fearing Hispanics already in the US want to keep illegal immigrants out and they love the Wall.
      Simply, they don’t want their labour cost undercut.
      That’s why their (and Black) support for Trump is growing.
      
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      December 5, 2019 11:45am
      - IC5000
        
        These Mexican Immigrants will change America into a true god fearing Christian nation. Only a degenerate atheist or communist would oppose this.
        
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        December 5, 2019 1:34pm
      - Batman
        
        More committed Catholics than you can shake your rosary beads at ??
        
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        December 5, 2019 1:37pm
    - Scott
      
      IC 5000 – brilliant argument. No way I can refute that. You win. You are a brilliant Troll.
      
      Or on the other hand most people, including Christians, believe in the rule of law. We don’t believe in illegal activity. Crossing the border illegally is by definition an illegal activity.
      
      Trump is trying to bring in a merit-based immigration system attuned to its country’s needs for labour. Like what we are supposed to have in New Zealand. So good on Trump for trying to do something about immigration and restoring order.
      
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      December 5, 2019 2:02pm
      - IC5000
        
        So what if this merit based system brings in more pagans and heretics to the US such as Buddhists, Muslims and Hindus?
        
        By choosing these infidels over true god fearing Mexicans you are betraying the concept of Christian America.
        
        Are you even a Christian if you put the needs of capitalism above the spiritual salvation of the land of the free?
        
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        December 5, 2019 2:24pm
RW Capitalist

Pike river recovery team, just given permission to over ride health and safety laws to go to the end of the drift.
Translation
Pike river recovery team, just given permission to over ride health and safety laws for the 25 years it will take to reach the end of the drift.
No mention of the lives it may cost in that time.
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December 5, 2019 9:14am
- Lance
  
  Not to mention an endless pipeline of tax payer cash
  
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  December 5, 2019 9:45am
- Paginus
  
  They only have to keep pretending to get in for another year.
  
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  December 5, 2019 11:53am
BeaB

Trudeau caught being a smartarse making cheap jibes at Trump. Trump calls him tw0-faced.
Trudeau has form. Remember his telling Jacinda that Trump was so stupid he thought she was Trudeau’s wife?
And remember how she, stupidly flattered and star-struck, unwisely blurted this out to her mates and then tried to deny it to Jack Tame in one of his only competent interviews?
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December 5, 2019 9:14am
chaos

I would also recommend all petrol stations have on their signs how much the petrol costs before tax

* The Commerce Commission has recommended a raft of new regulations aimed at increasing competition in the wholesale fuel market and driving petrol prices down.

This comes after a market study confirmed the fuel industry is not as competitive as it should be – and that Kiwis pay too much for petrol.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12291094
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December 5, 2019 9:15am
noskire

Congratulations David!
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December 5, 2019 9:23am
Cobolt24

Greta Thunberg said that her “climate crisis” agenda is not just about the environment, but about fighting the “colonial, racist, and patriarchal systems of oppression.”
https://www.dailywire.com/news/greta-snaps-change-everything-climate-crisis-about-colonial-racist-and-patriarchal-systems-of-oppression-fossil-fuel-literally?

“colonial, racist and patriarchal systems”
Those third world places need coal, oil and other fossil fuels to become wealthy. She’s the racist one if she wants to hold them back.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/13/sorry-greta-india-needs-more-coal-to-power-growth/
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December 5, 2019 9:24am
Prince

Stuff’s TDS gets another outing.
World leaders (where’s Ardern ?) ‘mock’ Trump, screams the headline.
Apparently Trudeau asked Macron why he was late ? The answer was because Trump held a 40 minute unscheduled press conference.
Oh the horror. A leader actually talks to the press, off the cuff, no pre-arranged questions, for 40 minutes.
I’m sure those leaders are astonished. Imagine Ardern, eg, doing that, and remember Trump’s press are almost unanimously against him.
Some gossip. Some mocking.
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December 5, 2019 9:26am
- chaos
  
  It’s not world leaders, it’s NATO leaders
  
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  December 5, 2019 9:50am
  - sooty
    
    She was not invited!
    
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    December 5, 2019 11:59am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Last time I checked, NZ was not a member of NATO.
      
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      December 5, 2019 1:05pm
Bullion

Climate models provide an important way to understand future changes in the Earth’s climate. In this paper we undertake a thorough evaluation of the performance of various climate models published between the early 1970s and the late 2000s. Specifically, we look at how well models project global warming in the years after they were published by comparing them to observed temperature changes. Model projections rely on two things to accurately match observations: accurate modeling of climate physics, and accurate assumptions around future emissions of CO2 and other factors affecting the climate. The best physics‐based model will still be inaccurate if it is driven by future changes in emissions that differ from reality. To account for this, we look at how the relationship between temperature and atmospheric CO2 (and other climate drivers) differs between models and observations. We find that climate models published over the past five decades were generally quite accurate in predicting global warming in the years after publication, particularly when accounting for differences between modeled and actual changes in atmospheric CO2 and other climate drivers. This research should help resolve public confusion around the performance of past climate modeling efforts, and increases our confidence that models are accurately projecting global warming.

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2019GL085378
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December 5, 2019 9:31am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Why the downticks?
  
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  December 5, 2019 1:06pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  If the models are so good why do their predictions differ so much from reality? Why do they have to do a simple average of them which is nonense.
  Their maths is weird. Even the UNIPCC in it’s 3rd Assessment Report specifically disclaimed they could have any predictive ability because climate is a mathematically chaotic system.
  
  What weight does a model have when at least 1/3 of the data items in its world grid are missing and have to be filled in from computed guestimates?
  
  Further, how accurate are the millions upon millions of calculations with binary computer arithmetic? (Rounding errors.)
  
  For advice on modelling read Feynman.
  
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  December 5, 2019 2:45pm
- pussycat
  
  “generally quite accurate” WTF?
  
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  December 5, 2019 3:42pm
  - Bullion
    
    That was the plain English summary. Here is the abstract:
    
    Retrospectively comparing future model projections to observations provides a robust and independent test of model skill. Here we analyse the performance of climate models published between 1970 and 2007 in projecting future global mean surface temperature (GMST) changes. Models are compared to observations based on both the change in GMST over time and the change in GMST over the change in external forcing. The latter approach accounts for mismatches in model forcings, a potential source of error in model projections independent of the accuracy of model physics. We find that climate models published over the past five decades were skillful in predicting subsequent GMST changes, with most models examined showing warming consistent with observations, particularly when mismatches between model‐projected and observationally‐estimated forcings were taken into account.
    
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    December 5, 2019 4:23pm
Fletch

As someone already said, Breakfast are on the warming jag again. NIWA says this November is the warmest ever, and we need drastic Governmental changes to minimise the impact of climate change. blah, blah, blah. I’m not buying it.

Look at 1934. Way hotter than it is now. The heatwave they experienced back then was baking soil, causing bushfires in Sydney, creating dust clouds and droughts worldwide. See contemporary reports from newspapers back then.

https://realclimatescience.com/heatwave-of-may-june-1934/

Oh, and the newspapers were also saying that the glaciers were all shrinking and disappearing in the early 1900s.

https://realclimatescience.com/the-smoking-gun/
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December 5, 2019 9:37am
Odakyu-sen

Greta Thunberg said that … … but about fighting the “colonial, racist, and patriarchal systems of oppression.”

So, Greta opposes the Communist Party of China!? (The CCP is certainly a colonial, racist, and patriarchal oppressor if there ever was one.)

Who knew?!
Go Greta!!
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December 5, 2019 9:44am
- The King
  
  She thinks shes going to lead a Rosa Luxemburg type revolution against zee evil patriarchy
  
  It will most likely end like Rosa did too.
  
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  December 5, 2019 4:10pm
Happychappy

Jacinda demanding answers on outrageous vaccine decision but doesn’t have the guts to call out Winston Peter’s or Shane Jones on their blatant lies over the PGF.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12290929.
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December 5, 2019 9:51am
- Sacha
  
  So – the complainers don’t agree? They think there are worse ‘spots’ than deadly measles?
  Something doesn’t equate –
  
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  December 5, 2019 11:00am
- rockape
  
  Its called diversion. I am anticipating an inquiry!
  
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  December 5, 2019 11:12am
  - sooty
    
    What is that different than the 300 working partys?
    
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    December 5, 2019 11:58am
- Paulus
  
  A point overlooked is that the Medical Centre did not have Parental permission to give the child an vaccination as her parents were in Samoa.
  The Medical Rules require such a move.
  But should have done it anyway despite the possible position being illegal.
  
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  December 5, 2019 12:47pm
  - kevn
    
    @Paulus… Never mind JA is ‘on-the-case’. Got another headline as well. Winner.
    
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    December 5, 2019 6:38pm
Fletch

Greta cancels out any carbon-free travelling she may have done.

Thunberg found herself in need of transportation to Madrid after the COP25 in Santiago was canceled due to political protests. At the time it was canceled, Thunberg was in California preparing to sail to Chile. She put out a plea on social media for help in traveling to the Madrid location once the conference’s new location was determined. Nikki Henderson, a skipper in three ARC Trans Atlantic races, answered the call. She flew to the United States to sail Thunberg to Lisbon, Portugal. Henderson canceled any carbon reduction that Thunberg would have accomplished by not flying to Madrid.

https://hotair.com/archives/karen-townsend/2019/12/02/thunbergs-epic-fail-yacht-captain-flies-rescue-britain-virginia/
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December 5, 2019 10:07am
- skyblue
  
  As Kermit said, it is hard being Green.
  
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  December 5, 2019 10:18am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Thunberg is nothing more than a virtue-signaling hypocrite.
  Tome the media starved her of oxygen.
  
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  December 5, 2019 10:24am
  - DigNap15
    
    They wont, they have all signed up to the Climate Change Now organization.
    Which is why we get blasted with climate change every minute of our lives.
    
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    December 5, 2019 10:49am
  - kevn
    
    @Captn… Get Thunberg and Folau in the same room. Each convincing the other. Or trying to.
    That would be a laugh.
    But, of course the joke is on us because they are both rolling in cash…
    
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    December 5, 2019 8:22pm
cut n paster

Just in time for the faith-fluid holiday season…..
https://ibb.co/N7cR5Qw
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December 5, 2019 10:21am
- kevn
  
  @cut… I would buy one.
  Way back in 2008 I bought a hellun clark dog chew toy that squeaks. Was on special. It still frightens people.
  
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  December 5, 2019 11:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I have Trump one. Sits on the dash of my car, waving at everyone
  
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  December 5, 2019 12:12pm
Morrissey

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BRIEF RESPONSE TO AN ‘ANTISEMITISM’ HOAX
by Jamie Stern-Weiner, 3 December 2019

The Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAA) alleges, on the basis of polling it commissioned from YouGov, that ‘antisemitic views are most widespread on the far-left’ while ‘the leader of the Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn, was particularly popular among people with antisemitic views’.

It is, the CAA notes, ‘the first survey’ to conclude this.

Indeed, all previous studies found the opposite. The Institute for Jewish Policy Research (JPR) reported, on the basis of the largest survey of its kind ever conducted, that ‘[t]he political left, captured by voting intention or actual voting for Labour, appears . . . a more Jewish-friendly, or neutral, segment of the population’. The CAA itself observed, in 2017, that ‘Labour Party supporters are less likely to be antisemitic than other voters’.

So, how did the CAA achieve its surprising results?

Whereas previous surveys asked respondents whether they agreed with a number of negative generalisations about Jews, this new study also tested for agreement with a handful of propositions about the State of Israel….

Read more….

https://jamiesternweiner.wordpress.com/2019/12/03/fake-campaign-against-antisemitism/
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December 5, 2019 10:25am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  My automatic Morrissey downtick device just activated.
  
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  December 5, 2019 12:09pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Saves reading anything that might make you think, of course.
    
    Carry on, Cap’n!
    
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    December 5, 2019 5:58pm
- The King
  
  An anti-Semite is somebody jews hate.
  
  Prove me wrong.
  
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  December 5, 2019 4:11pm
Tony Norriss

For those who argue that cannabis isn’t addictive therefore should be legalised.

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-addictive

The common assertion that cannabis isn’t addictive is incorrect, as the article above shows.

Anyone who has someone in their family addicted to the stuff will understand the truth of this article.
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December 5, 2019 10:25am
- Inandout
  
  Tony, if it becomes legal then I trust the government will (like tobacco) tax the hell out of it because smoking is dangerous..isn’t it?
  
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  December 5, 2019 11:13am
  - sooty
    
    Labour wanted to be smokefree!
    How is that going to work?
    Are resteraunts, pubs etc have to put in seperate cannabis smoking rooms to protect the smokers from the side effects?
    
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    December 5, 2019 11:55am
    - kevn
      
      @sooty… part of their wicked plan is to allow lollies, soft drinks, beer, protein powder and even chocolate to be part of the legal cannabis deal.
      This must the way to ‘get’ the non-smokers on-board?
      Protecting young children? umm ahh um duh
      
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      December 5, 2019 12:15pm
- SGA
  
  I am no expert, Tony, but as I understand it, it depends how you are using the word “addictive”. In it’s broadest sense it can be addictive – as can be gambling or video games, for that matter. On the other hand, people don’t seem to develop the same high levels of physical dependence that we associate with other drugs such as heroin, P, or nicotine.
  
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  December 5, 2019 11:55am
  - Tony Norriss
    
    I understand the differentiation between physical and psychological addiction.
    
    But if brain = mind, then all addiction must be physical.
    
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    December 5, 2019 12:11pm
    - SGA
      
      In the sense that all learned behaviours require some physical changes to the brain? Sure that’s true, but I think you know that what I mean by a physical dependency goes beyond that.
      
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      December 5, 2019 12:53pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Yeah?
    
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    December 5, 2019 2:47pm
- The King
  
  Nope smoked for years never got addicted could not smoke for weeks or months, Ciggis however….
  
  It’s not addictive they are simply lying.
  
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  December 5, 2019 4:13pm
SPC

If one defines the severe form of marijuana use disorder as an addiction (such as alcohol use disorder as indicative of an addiction).

The link refers to 9% of users becoming dependent on continued use – but not all those dependent on it being categorised as addicted – their term for those with severe form of marijuana use disorder.

The numbers of those who start using in their teens being at higher risk of becoming dependent users, is however reason enough for the age 20 buying age – and the legal sanction on those supplying to those under that age.
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December 5, 2019 10:54am
- Tony Norriss
  
  The key point is that the argument I made earlier is correct. Since cannabis is at least, to some degree addictive, then arguments in favour of cannabis apply to any other addictive drug.
  
  So, the logical conclusion is that if cannabis is to be legalised then all addictive substances should be legalised.
  
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  December 5, 2019 11:29am
  - SGA
    
    Only if you inhabit an extremely “black and white” world. We make decisions and policy based on such things as the degree of harm, degree of risk, degree of benefit all the time. If you want to ban anything with the potential to cause a psychological addiction, where would you stop? Video games? Gambling?
    Pornography? Sex?
    
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    December 5, 2019 12:49pm
    - Tony Norriss
      
      I am not arguing that legal addictions should be banned. Only that we shouldn’t be adding to the list without good reason.
      
      And the symptoms of cannabis withdrawal sound awfully similar to those affected by physically addictive substances. From the article I sited:
      
      “…a person feels withdrawal symptoms when not taking the drug. People who use marijuana frequently often report irritability, mood and sleep difficulties, decreased appetite, cravings, restlessness, and/or various forms of physical discomfort that peak within the first week after quitting and last up to 2 weeks.”
      
      So, if it looks like a duck, and sounds like a duck…
      
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      December 5, 2019 1:11pm
      - SGA
        
        And that’s why I said “people don’t seem to develop the same high levels of physical dependence that we associate with other drugs such as heroin, P, or nicotine” (emphasis added).
        But, to get back to main point of my comment above – we don’t live in a black and white world.
        
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        December 5, 2019 5:34pm
kevn

JA is going to ‘drive fuel prices down’.
No, not reducing the massive tax take.
Try this: “Have I got deal for you, 35,000 litres straight from the ship, cheap as”.
Well they do it in Aussie JA says, so….
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December 5, 2019 11:17am
- sooty
  
  And she would know!
  
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  December 5, 2019 11:51am
Happychappy

Ports of Auckland flights back against move with new report claiming moving the port import could rise up to $626 million a year. Tony Gibson, Ports Chief Executive, said a NZIER study examined what would happen if the Port was shut and freight was delivered to distant Ports.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/tony-gibson-ports-of-auckland-fights-back-against-move-with-new-report/
How are the bullies Wayne Brown, Winston Peters and Shane Jones going to handle this now after Shane Jones threatened Tony Gibson not to get involved.
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December 5, 2019 11:24am
Fletch

On page 157 of the impeachment report, it looks like Schiff has illegally obtained the phone records of journalist John Solomon, the president’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, and Rep. Devin Nunes. This is Soviet style stuff.

https://twitter.com/IvanPentchoukov/status/1201974537727959040

Spying on the press, members of Congress and Trump’s own lawyer. The man should be locked up.
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December 5, 2019 11:28am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Wait a minute – Nunez was dealing privately with Rudy Colludy?
  
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  December 5, 2019 1:09pm
  - Batman
    
    The world’s worst kept secret will be the identity of extension number ‘-1’
    
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    December 5, 2019 1:36pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Inspector General cometh…
  
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  December 5, 2019 2:48pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    The IG will really only talk about processes.
    Some of which might be pretty bad.
    The DOJ IG also doesn’t have access to what Brennan did at the CIA too.
    Durham is the Prosecutor.
    Him and Barr have access to it all.
    
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    December 5, 2019 5:03pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The IG is an independent office with it’s own powers.
      
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      December 5, 2019 6:56pm
graham

Well, I bet the MSM are going to have a field-day with this:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/117863897/hitman-whose-target-must-be-pakeha-sentenced-to-nine-years-in-prison

He was prepared to kill a man in exchange for five pounds of cannabis, but there was one condition.

The target must be a Pakeha.

Yup, I’m sure the MSM are going to pour all their efforts into this, bemoaning the racism shown against Pakeha, calling for an end to racism, opinion pieces from all, etc.

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… crickets …
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December 5, 2019 11:30am
- Rich Prick
  
  Yesterday a simple cartoon drew howls of racism from all corners of the left. Today, nothing. That shows just shows how hollow, they and their racism calls, are. It’s a one-way street with that lot.
  
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  December 5, 2019 12:29pm
Fletch

BREAKING: Schiff’s just-released “Impeachment Inquiry Report” confirms that Eric Ciaramella’s former NSC allies and fellow Obama holdovers “Sean A. Misko” and “Abigail C. Grace” are part of Schiff’s “Impeachment Inquiry Investigative Staff” and “Oversight Staff,” respectively.

https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1201954080471601153?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/schiff-hired-former-nsc-colleague-of-alleged-whistleblower-eric-ciaramella-the-day-after-trumps-ukraine-call

Just gets worse and worse. This is tyranny.
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December 5, 2019 11:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Lying Schiff said he did not know who the whistleblower was
  
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  December 5, 2019 12:15pm
Tony Norriss

I think the legalisation of alcohol is instructive for the effect of weed being legalised.

With alcohol most use it responsibly, and only a relatively small percentage become alcoholics, or act irresponsibly under the influence.

But, because alcohol is legalised, and now normalised, the use of alcohol is common and socially accepted. Therefore, the wide and general use means that the small percentage of problem users actually equate to a lot of people, and therefore the costs of alcohol abuse are very high in many ways.

I fear the same will be the case with cannabis. While the problem users may be a small percentage, social normalisation will result in there being much more in the way of issues than would be the case if cannabis wasn’t legalised.
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December 5, 2019 12:35pm
Tauhei Notts

On this Blog site there is place to the right called Links.
There is a link to many sites, one of which is the Cactus Kate site.
The piece she has put up earlier today about the Samoan crisis is possibly the best I have seen from her. I warmly recommend it to you.
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December 5, 2019 12:36pm
- chaos
  
  https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/
  
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  December 5, 2019 1:08pm
- Michael
  
  it is excellent, isn’t it.
  Looking forward to the Samoan PM sacking his health Minister and then taking responsibility and resigning…..
  
  yeah right just another pollie.
  
  Well done Mr Garrick…..
  Great cartoon.
  
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  December 5, 2019 3:55pm
kevn

@Tau… Kate is a cracker. There is never anything to add.
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December 5, 2019 1:09pm
Fletch

Ouchies –

A WOMAN has been arrested and charged with murder after she crushed her husband’s testicles with her bare hands – until he DIED.

The wife, known only as Ekhator, had accused her husband of cheating on her during a “heated argument” at their home in Edo State, Nigeria.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10447057/wife-murdered-cheating-husband-by-crushing-his-testicles-until-he-collapsed-and-died/
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December 5, 2019 1:42pm
- cmm
  
  I wouldn’t put too much faith in Nigerian criminal matters.
  
  This one’s from 10 years ago:
  
  https://uk.reuters.com/article/oukoe-uk-nigeria-robbery-goat/nigerian-police-detain-goat-over-armed-robbery-idUKTRE50M4BM20090123
  
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  December 5, 2019 2:04pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  My wife, a nurse and midwife, tells me that this is entirely possible.
  Better keep my head down, although it’s a bit late in life for hi-jinks.
  
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  December 5, 2019 7:18pm
- GoVege
  
  Reminds me of the dude in South America who came home from the pub drunk and picked a fight with his pig.
  Apparently he died after it bit into that part of his anatomy ….
  
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  December 5, 2019 9:29pm
SPC

The ARU decision to issue Folau a new 4 year contract after the first social media contention would itself rank as one of the bigger blunders made by any sports body executives.

And that was before the sacking, the impasse since and the cost of the settlement – so it now ranks as one of the all-time great blunders. Her own contract is unlikely to be renewed.

By the way the CEO says that the $8M figure reported is untrue and it is less (journalists will speculate to get clarification of the area of the amount).

If the cost to the ARU settlement is greater than

1.future legal costs BAD
2. the unpaid part of the 4 year contract (3 years – 3.6M) VERY BAD.
3. closer to 8 than 4, DISASTROUS.
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December 5, 2019 2:22pm
- cmm
  
  According to Winnie the payout is nowhere near $8M and is only $7,932,477.50
  
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  December 5, 2019 3:20pm
- MCos
  
  This guy is a hardcore Christian of some sort. Of course the original JC wasn’t a grasping money grubber so I’m not sure how he squares the circle with his conscience.
  The world is full of such people and I’m always bamboozled by the attraction they have to dirt poor believers.
  Where’s the sackcloth, Israel?
  Guys like him have no problem telling others how to live their lives.
  
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  December 5, 2019 4:25pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “Guys like him have no problem telling others how to live their lives.”
    
    Isn’t that what you’re doing here?
    
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    December 5, 2019 6:40pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Exactly
      And what a moronic argument that because Christ wasn’t about money that any Christian is morally wrong to be paid what they are worth
      
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      December 5, 2019 7:32pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    True that. A true Christian gives away all material possessions. Camel through the eye of the needle and all that.
    
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    December 5, 2019 8:07pm
pb

A moral victory for Folau. The best part will be the coming tsunami of wailing and lamenting. The sodomites will be butt-hurt for sure.
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December 5, 2019 3:17pm
- plc
  
  Perhaps Alan Joyce from Qantas can pay it since he insisted Folau was sacked.
  
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  December 5, 2019 4:21pm
  - plc
    
    Oh….and how seriously shite is Raylene Castle as a CEO
    
    She’s good enough to come home to NZ, go on the Labour list and take over Kiwibuild…..and still compare poorly to Twyford
    
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    December 5, 2019 4:25pm
- MCos
  
  ‘Moral victory’ is the very definition of oxymoron.
  
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  December 5, 2019 4:30pm
  - Tall Man
    
    The right to free speech not high on your list? If someone wants to confirm they’re an idiot, why stop them.
    
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    December 5, 2019 6:35pm
chaos

Poor media, a journalist has shot down their latest fake news story

* While some suggested Anne was snubbing the US President and first lady, a reporter at the event has revealed Princess Anne was telling her mother “it’s only me”, responding to the Queen looking for the next leader greet with a royal welcome.

The details came via a Twitter thread by The Times journalist, Valentine Low.

Mr Low explained: “OK, here goes… Princess Anne: the truth. No, she didn’t snub the Trumps. And she wasn’t told off by the Queen.

“Instead the Queen, after greeting the Donald (and the Melania), turned to Anne to see who was next. But there wasn’t anyone waiting: Trump was the last leader to be received by the Queen.

“Anne raised her hands in the air, laughed and said: ‘It’s just me,’ adding a moment later ‘and this lot’ as she pointed to the members of the household behind her.”

But before all of that, royal experts had a field day trying to decipher the exchange.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12291157
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December 5, 2019 5:05pm
Maggie Pie

Will Australia deport ‘Raelene Castle’ back home? 🙁

And has Steve Tew been replaced yet? Asking for a friend.
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December 5, 2019 5:42pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND …

$20 billion boost to bank safety expected to up mortgage rates by 20 to 60 basis points … Tom Pullar – Strecker … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/117880515/bank-safety-to-be-boosted–now-brace-for-the-impact?cid=app-iPad

Interest rates on mortgages and other loans will rise by between 20 and 60 basis points as a result of a Reserve Bank’s decision to require banks to put an extra $20 billion of capital into their businesses, according to different estimates. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Reserve Bank Governor makes the billion-dollar bet on safer banks … Thomas Coughlan OPINION … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/117970916/reserve-bank-governor-makes-the-billion-dollar-bet-on-safer-banks?cid=app-iPad

OPINION: New Zealanders have learnt the outcome of one of the biggest economic decisions of a generation.

It’s a decision that could cost some mortgagees hundreds of dollars a fortnight, while at the same time saving New Zealand from a costly financial collapse.

But this decision wasn’t made by an elected politician – instead it was made by Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Orr. Read more via hyperlink above …
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… Latest Ipsos NZ Issues Monitor … 62% of New Zealanders cannot afford a home in their local market … with housing being still the major public policy issue … by a country mile …

Ipsos NZ Issues Monitor November 2019

https://www.ipsos.com/en-nz/ipsos-nz-issues-monitor-november-2019
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December 5, 2019 5:48pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  New Zealand housing is the most unaffordable housing within the Anglosphere …
  
  2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
  
  http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
  
  Housing Affordability Ratings … Median Multiples … All Markets
  
  Australia 5.7
  Canada 4.0
  China (Hong Kong) 20.9
  Ireland 3.7
  New Zealand 6.5
  Singapore 4.6
  United Kingdom 4.8
  United States 3.5
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  … What has been learnt from Irelands 2007 even,t when housing across its metros went from 4.7 Median Multiple to 2.8 Median Multiple some years later … putting all its Banks to the wall and requiring about 70 billion euros of bailouts ? … access CBoI research …
  
  Central Bank of Ireland – Mortgage Measures
  
  https://www.centralbank.ie/financial-system/financial-stability/macro-prudential-policy/mortgage-measures
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  December 5, 2019 7:03pm
  - sooty
    
    Link whoring!
    
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    December 5, 2019 9:41pm
chaos

Now, stopping a few people making small international donations to political parties is a matter of great urgency. Bringing down the price of fuel, not so, but hey let’s do it just before an election so kiwis take it as a bribe.

* Petrol prices could be slashed by 18 cents a litre when new laws are passed to increase competition and force retailers to display prices at the pump, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Kris Faafoi says.

The Government has said it is ready to act swiftly on a Commerce Commission study on the fuel market and its competitiveness.

The Government wanted prices to come down as “fast as possible”, but was looking at introducing a law early next year and passing it by the middle of 2020, Faafoi said.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/117929994/petrol-companies-told-by-regulator-how-to-improve
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December 5, 2019 5:53pm
- Tall Man
  
  Idiots, all of them.
  
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  December 5, 2019 6:26pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  This is all snakes and garters. A big supplier is pre-defined as crook and greedy. The handful of independents are almost an irrelevancy. Does Arderns’ mob seriously thing they are going to have independents create price wars to impact the big suppliers?
  Watch out for regulated prices to come. NZ is now an embryo commie state with new rules.
  
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  December 5, 2019 7:03pm
- chaos
  
  Pay walled article so can’t read it but the headline gives the story away
  
  * Petrol prices: Z ‘would go broke’ if prices dropped by 18c across NZ*
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12291391
  
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  December 5, 2019 7:30pm
GoVege

No children have died this year in NZ from measles, yet dozens have died in Samoa.
Apparently this down to the far more advanced facilities we have here.
Maybe we should be sending some of these Samoan babies here rather than let them die.
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December 5, 2019 6:10pm
- Tall Man
  
  I see your point but it is a relatively fast acting disease once the symptoms appear.
  
  “Measles is a highly contagious infectious disease caused by the measles virus. Symptoms usually develop 10–12 days after exposure to an infected person and last 7–10 days. Initial symptoms typically include fever, often greater than 40 °C, cough, runny nose, and inflamed eyes.”
  
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  December 5, 2019 6:20pm
  - GoVege
    
    That may be, TM, but its only about a 3 hour flight from Samoa to Auckland.
    Middlemore is near the airport.
    Its time for us to show some Christmas spirit and pull out the stops to save the lives of babies from this country we share so much history with.
    
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    December 5, 2019 6:41pm
    - GoVege
      
      More babies have died now than people murdered by that creep in Christchurch ….and more are dying every day.
      Why aren’t we doing more to save them????
      
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      December 5, 2019 8:44pm
      - sooty
        
        Cindy will be out in a grass skirt shortly!
        
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        December 5, 2019 9:39pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-wine/reviews/117981291/kebab-meat-on-chips-is-an-uber-eats-favourite–im-hooked-too

$17.50 plus extra for delivery.
Jesus, there are some stupid people out there.
Or some people who have no idea of money.
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December 5, 2019 6:17pm
- Inandout
  
  He is a ‘poorly paid’ journalist, don’t you know? Having inside knowledge of how these things work, I doubt he will pay for a kebab meal for at least a month from that outlet.
  
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  December 5, 2019 6:24pm
Inandout

Visited a New World Christmas club night to aid my lovely wife with the extra shopping, and sample the treats. Well I was ready for queues, but not a half hour wait to get to the operator. Packers were furiously filling bags of all sorts and sizes, and I remembered last year when the supermarket had their own plastic bags and they were quick at filling them. A lady in front said rather sarcastically, ‘this will save a turtle somewhere’ as she handed over plastic after plastic food containers.
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December 5, 2019 6:19pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Another sexual assault story in Young Labour’s ranks…and how to ignore a complainant
https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/05-12-2019/i-complained-to-labour-of-a-sexual-assault-then-i-read-about-it-in-the-news/
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December 5, 2019 6:53pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Hmm, Looks like sexual assault is the only thing they achieve in the year of delivery. Sad. How many more victims are out there? How much pressure is being put on them to remain silent? How much longer will New Zealanders tolerate this disgusting, criminal behaviour (both the assault and the cover up)?
  
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  December 5, 2019 10:06pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/117963615/victoria-university-of-wellington-blatantly-ignoring-everyone-councillor-says

When National gets back in next year I look forward to all of these pathetic renamings and re-workings of history to be well and truly revoked.
Did you hear that Simon ?
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December 5, 2019 6:58pm
plc

Kris Faafoi

Most open and transparent govt ever
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December 5, 2019 7:16pm
Wired-one

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/12/i-m-on-it-bro-messages-show-kris-faafoi-offering-help-to-friend-jason-kerrison-over-immigration-case.html

So much for Faafoi being a “rising star” he’s just as corrupt, inept and incompetent as the rest of this governments ranks. Will the weak Ardern sack him? NOPE!
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December 5, 2019 7:27pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  It seems like just a matter of months ago that everyone was praising Faafoi, but he has clay feet, just like the rest of them.
  
  An offer to “speed things up” was among reassurances made by the former Associate Immigration Minister to Kerrison who spoke to Newshub in October about his step-father’s partnership visa application being declined.
  
  Messages Faafoi sent to the singer of Kiwi band Opshop ask for details of the case before he says he has a plan and promises to talk to the right people.
  
  Remember how Maurice Williamson resigned as a Minister because of a call he made to the Police on behalf of a constituent?
  
  Remember how Nick Smith resigned all his portfolios because he wrote a letter to ACC on behalf of a friend on Minister of ACC letterhead?
  
  John Key had standards. Jacinda Ardern has Kris Faafoi, Shane Jones, Winston Peters and Iain Lees-Galloway.
  
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  December 5, 2019 8:17pm
  - Scooter
    
    At least this Govt are consistent, consistently corrupt and useless.
    
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    December 5, 2019 9:19pm
  - sooty
    
    Along with Clare Curran, Megan Woods, Mega Fighterry, Ducky and all the rest!
    
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    December 5, 2019 9:36pm
chaos

Whoopsie, another minister will get away with a cock up

* Unfulfilled promises made by Kris Faafoi to longtime mate Jason Kerrison have put not only their friendship on the line but the Broadcasting Minister’s job too.

Text messages obtained by Newshub show Faafoi appears to have breached cabinet rules by offering to help Kerrison with his family’s declined immigration case.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/12/i-m-on-it-bro-messages-show-kris-faafoi-offering-help-to-friend-jason-kerrison-over-immigration-case.html
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December 5, 2019 7:28pm
- sooty
  
  Not another one!
  Will they never learn the rules?
  
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  December 5, 2019 9:33pm
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA …

BERTRAUD BOOK SUGGESTED FOR AUSTRALIAN PM SCOTT MORRISON’S READING LIST … WENDELL COX … NEW GEOGRAPHY

http://www.newgeography.com/content/006489-bertraud-book-suggested-australian-pm-scott-morrisons-reading-list

Australia’s Grattan Institute has included former World Bank principal planner’s Order Without Design: How Markets Shape Cities on its annual “Prime Minister’s Summer Reading List” (Summer starts in just a couple of weeks there). It is a good recommendation. We reviewed the book earlier this year.

Some excerpts from that review follow: … read more via hyperlink above …
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Alain Bertaud contributed the Introduction to this years 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey …

2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
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December 5, 2019 9:04pm
- sooty
  
  You still getting no visiters to your site, so you link whore again.
  
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