General Debate 7 December 2019

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slightlyrighty

Kris Fa’afoi’s Mea Culpa was certainly the right response, but I think he needs to choose his friends more carefully in future.

Given Ardern’s retinue of friends, she probably needs to as well (Tom Scott, Richie Hardcore…..)
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December 7, 2019 8:05am
- G152
  
  Were he honest (I know. dreaming) he would have quit
  
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  December 7, 2019 8:28am
  - Simon Gotlieb
    
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    Oh bullshit. Save your condemnation for something that actually deserves it.
    
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    December 7, 2019 8:36am
    - Prince
      
      Yeah, don’t put any of this in writing.
      
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      December 7, 2019 9:04am
    - lifesgood
      
      OK, leftie, Gotlieb. What about the outcry over Maurice Williamson ringing the minister of Immigration to ask how an application was going. What happened to him? Were you outraged at what he’d done? I bet you were. I smell extreme hypocrisy.
      
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      December 7, 2019 9:32am
      - MCos
        
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        Maurice Williamson interfered with a police investigation.
        
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        December 7, 2019 12:34pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        I remember journalists chasing Nick Smith through Wellington Airport when he returned from Nelson to announce his resignation as a Minister.
        
        I guess it helps when you’ve worked with or are friends with most of the media pack.
        
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        December 7, 2019 12:44pm
    - Tall Man
      
      What a pathetic response from a partisan thinker.
      
      What about the people that have immigration issues but don’t have a “mate” in parliament. It’s not a good look especially if there is a concealed benefit for one of the parties.
      
      Imagine your tender for a government contract being overlooked because you have no mates….. Obviously you would have no mates with your protectionist attitude to something that has way more than the whiff of corruption.
      
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      December 7, 2019 9:44am
    - Tall Man
      
      And “saying he “stupidly created an impression through my messages that I was following up on it when in fact I wasn’t”.”
      
      he’s a liar as well. Makes a promise that he’s too lazy to follow up.
      
      That makes him a lying arsehole, like the rest of the current members of the coalition.
      
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      December 7, 2019 10:03am
    - alloytoo
      
      The reality is that under Key or English he would be on the back bench awaiting rehabilitation.
      
      Of course Key and English had a lot more talent to work with.
      
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      December 7, 2019 10:31am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        At the risk of repeating myself, here’s what Grant Robertson had to say about the Nick Smith affair:
        
        Grant Robertson
        @grantrobertson1
        
        The question for John Key is what is the standard of ministerial behaviour he will accept? If Nick Smith survives it marks a new low.
        4:30 PM · Mar 20, 2012·
        
        https://twitter.com/grantrobertson1/status/181945793601736705
        
        At least we now know the standard of ministerial behaviour that Jacinda Ardern will accept, and it’s a far lower standard than that applied by John Key.
        
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        December 7, 2019 12:49pm
    - tknorriss
      
      At best he made a promise he wasn’t prepared to keep. But I guess you think that is a virtue in Labour politicians.
      
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      December 7, 2019 10:35am
    - Stephieboy2
      
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      Actually desrves it ?
      
      Like Maurice Williamson, Nick Smith amd Judith Collins!
      
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      December 7, 2019 12:53pm
  - igm
    
    There is, and never has been, an honest left-wing politician, being in the main leeches and losers of society with ethics and abilities of the average drongo.
    
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    December 7, 2019 9:10am
  - burt
    
    Do you know he’s a Labour Party MP?
    
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    December 7, 2019 9:29am
- freethinker
  
  You missed Karol Sroubek currently on holiday at her majesty’s expense.
  
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  December 7, 2019 8:52am
  - igm
    
    Don’t you know he is now “In Care”. The sickly pathetic CoL says thugs, drug dealers, murderers must no longer be referred to as inmates, prisoners, etc.
    It may hurt their status in the community and feelings of wellbeing!
    
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    December 7, 2019 4:54pm
- artemisia
  
  Mr Faafoi’s mate is the one that needs to choose his friends more carefully. Starting with friends that don’t lie to him.
  
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  December 7, 2019 9:10am
  - Scooter
    
    Well his mate is getting a right bollocking on his fb page, seems his friends aren’t happy he ratted out Faafoi.
    
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    December 7, 2019 7:09pm
Igotta Numbum

I see RocketLab had another successful launch last night.

Media is saying it’s carrying a “controversial payload”…. did they finally find some space for Twyford to sit?
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December 7, 2019 8:18am
- sooty
  
  Not with that twit, just bend him over and insert the rocket. Then fire!
  
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  December 7, 2019 8:56am
- Liberty
  
  Might have been the Sexgate report.
  If a report has taken 3 months with no sign of it being produced. It must be a bit juicy. Dear leader will move heaven and earth to keep it secret.
  
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  December 7, 2019 9:28am
  - Liberty
    
    9:28am Moderation is very slow today
    
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    December 7, 2019 11:53am
- Tall Man
  
  Unless they could get his mouth shut I doubt there’s be room.
  
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  December 7, 2019 9:45am
- Tricati
  
  Twyford is not controversial, just plain bloody useless.
  
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  December 7, 2019 10:38am
- cmm
  
  FFS, all space payload can be controversial.
  
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  December 7, 2019 10:52am
JibberJabber

Cactus Kate on the farce that is the NZ judiciaries latest corrupt charade,
https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2019/11/labour-sex-camp-okay-rules-judge-what.html

You`ll not see this kind of opinion written in what passes for mainstream media in this country.
The silence from Mau and Marvelly tells us all we need to know, craven cowards.
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December 7, 2019 8:19am
- kevn
  
  @Jib… add the metoo lot in Govt.
  
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  December 7, 2019 8:41am
- Prince
  
  The undisclosed relationship between the judge and the accused in this case is indicative of the descent into corruption that this coalition is leading us all.
  
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  December 7, 2019 9:07am
- Tall Man
  
  “Let’s do this”……
  
  Nah, maybe not.
  
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  December 7, 2019 9:45am
- niggly
  
  “The judge also said that everything he’d read about the offender, but for the night at the summer camp, showed he too was an impressive young man.
  
  “I have obvious sympathy for him in the position he found himself on account of his own drunken stupidity.”
  
  What next, will Judge Russell Collins also be giving the Accused a reference?
  
  Even lawyer Cactus Kate is astonished: “The Judge has WHAT for the offender?”
  
  Judge Russell Collins you are a disgrace – you have let the victims down. 🙁
  
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  December 7, 2019 10:49am
  - sooty
    
    Yes, but he did as told by the Labour party!
    
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    December 7, 2019 12:40pm
RiP NZ

Importantly however, he did have really cool tattoos,

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12291205
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December 7, 2019 8:20am
- Maggie Pie
  
  As my partner just said, “He’s sooo lucky to have got Judge Phillapa Cunningham as the sentensing Judge – otherwise he would have gotten the 10 years he deserved”.
  
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  December 7, 2019 10:02am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    He’ll probably get transferred to Te Moenga, the sex offenders’ unit at Whanganui Prison where paedophiles, witness protection inmates and ex police are imprisoned. It is heavily secured, and designed for inmates who would not be safe in the general prison population. He definitely won’t enjoy the experience.
    
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    December 7, 2019 12:55pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      My partner actually thinks the opposite of that TS.
      Reckons he’ll be consuidered a bit of a hero by the gangs. Likely to even be delivered ‘fresh meat’ from day one 😛
      
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      December 7, 2019 1:39pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        No; he’ll be in segregation initially, and they won’t let gang members anywhere near him.
        
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        December 7, 2019 2:42pm
Notsofast

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Many truths, many lies.

Here is the transcript of the supreme court being asked to ponder the Mark Edward Lundy debacle.

From August 26 27

https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/the-courts/supreme-court/case-summaries/case-information-2018/LMET.pdf

The case is well exposed if you read all the evidence Jonathan Eaton QC brings forward.
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December 7, 2019 8:20am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Give it up, fool.
  
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  December 7, 2019 8:47am
Vory v zakone

Laugh of the Day …. so far ?

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2019/12/06/bottom-falls-out-cnn-ratings-hit-3-year-low/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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December 7, 2019 8:22am
- Scott
  
  Vory – thanks for the link ?
  It amazes me that the democrats are impeaching Trump when their country is in great shape and their economy is booming. Lowest unemployment in 54 years!
  
  That’s why DPF and his derangement about Trump is so misguided. Trump cut taxes! DPF is part of a lobby group that wants to cut taxes!
  Trump also cut regulations, freed up the energy sector and brought back manufacturing to the United States. Their economy is booming!
  
  Couldn’t DPF and NZ politicians learn something from what’s going on there? If a NZ politician cut our taxes, cut regulations and freed up our energy sector, guess what? Our economy would boom too!
  
  Is it too hard to let go of “orange man bad” for the sake of our own economic prosperity?? ?
  
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  December 7, 2019 9:23am
- kloyd0306
  
  As CNN’s ratings fall, Trump’s numbers rise.
  A positive!
  
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  December 7, 2019 11:17am
- curry4me
  
  That’s good news. Prof Turley has a piece on YouTube celebrating the fact too.
  
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  December 7, 2019 11:56am
Paulus

Sorry Mummy – I won’t get caught again !
Alright for you as you are Queen but us Whanau cannot get away with it.
Nasty media !
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December 7, 2019 8:34am
- sooty
  
  I really, really scared of my big brother, he’s going to tell me off! That scares me more than the ragheads and argies!
  
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  December 7, 2019 9:06am
dog_eat_dog

The sexual assault investigation that was going to take about four weeks, which was totally not just an off-the-cuff solution to a news story that was damaging the PM’s office, designed to put distance between Ardern, Robertson and the question of who knew what and when was announced 12 weeks ago.
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December 7, 2019 8:36am
harvey wilson

Another victim of labours rape culture thrown under the bus for the good of the party.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/05-12-2019/i-complained-to-labour-of-a-sexual-assault-then-i-read-about-it-in-the-news/

Alison , Lizzie your thoughts?
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December 7, 2019 8:45am
KevO'Brien

A useful legal view of the historic law relating to impeachment:-

https://www.theepochtimes.com/what-the-expert-panel-should-have-told-you-about-impeachment-but-didnt_3166413.html
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December 7, 2019 8:53am
- SGA
  
  Here are some others produced by the US government before this particular process began –
  From 2015
  https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44260.pdf
  And 1974
  https://web.archive.org/web/20190905072225/https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/democrats.judiciary.house.gov/files/1974ImpeachmentInquiryReport.pdf
  
  In summary (from the 2015)
  “Impeachable conduct does not appear to be limited to criminal behavior.
  Congress has identified three general types of conduct that constitute grounds for
  impeachment, although these categories should not be understood as exhaustive:
  (1) improperly exceeding or abusing the powers of the office; (2) behavior
  incompatible with the function and purpose of the office; and (3) misusing the
  office for an improper purpose or for personal gain.”
  
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  December 7, 2019 2:00pm
mikenmildagain

It’s International Civil Aviation Day!
So if you are flying today, please keep it civil.
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December 7, 2019 8:56am
- RightNow
  
  I’m only flying domestic so it doesn’t fucking apply
  
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  December 7, 2019 12:53pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Gracious… these old Labour hacks just go on & on & on.

https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/228640-sir-michael-cullen-to-lead-bay-of-plenty-dhb.html?fbclid=IwAR2wgK18J5FJjmD7RKIqV58gqIlg8jMViMMuuKMkgvL_Y6_OxN_RlSbPmAY

Have they no hobbies or friends or roofs to paint?
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December 7, 2019 9:10am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  How in Hell does the CoL imagine that appointing these old lefty has-beens is going to help the performance of the Health Boards?
  We’re already two years on from the ‘nine years of neglect’. When are they going to start looking in the mirror?
  
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  December 7, 2019 9:28am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    To be honest, I think they simply don’t know anyone else – their circles are so small that they have no idea what skills are required to run a large business, and they certainly don’t know anyone who has those skills.
    
    Ergo, in their world, those skills don’t exist, so you go for tribal loyalty, at least that way the fuck-ups will be well hidden.
    
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    December 7, 2019 9:42am
- igm
  
  Could you visualise Cullen having friends, energy to paint a roof, the only hobby being bludging off taxpayers . . . those he openly despises.
  
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  December 7, 2019 9:31am
- david
  
  Aw hell, he is only a spring chicken at 74 and besides, there is lots of perks to be had with mileage claims from Ohope to wherever, and Koro Club, and airpoints and per diem meeting fees plus Chairman’s loading.
  
  Unlike other rich pricks, Cullen will of course decline the National Super for the duration of his tenure, after all “to each according to his needs …” being the good little socialist that he is.
  
  Oh wait, just saw a flock of pigs fly past.
  
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  December 7, 2019 11:14am
  - MH
    
    AND THEY had squirrels in their mouths.
    
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    December 8, 2019 11:58am
- JibberJabber
  
  Obviously he is there to administer the coup de grâce, stuffing NZs health system is the jewel in the Crown of Helens legacy, once it is dead and buried Labour can move on to Jacindas` pet project of munting agriculture and industry, like all leftists they are too fucking stupid see past their ideology of envy.
  An equal sharing of the Communist misery Comrades.
  
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  December 7, 2019 12:10pm
Komata

Maggie@0910

‘Cronyism’ is still alive and well and living in the CoL.

Nothing new, and not unexpected.
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December 7, 2019 9:13am
Fletch

It looks like Facebook is cracking down. About six of my comments on various stories have been stopped over the past week or so because they don’t meet “community standards”.
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December 7, 2019 9:15am
- IC5000
  
  Such censorship probably save some IQ points of those who would have remade these comment.
  
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  December 7, 2019 5:40pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Are you drunk?
    
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    December 7, 2019 6:11pm
Tauhei Notts

A week in the presidential betting market.
Despite all this impeachment crap Trump shortens from $2.36 to $2.26. Unlike the journalists, the punters love him. Bloomberg in from $40 to $19.50. Biden and Buttigieg’s odds have both gone out, but not by much. They are followed by Sanders then Warren, whom I thought was a goner, but is back in close to the top three of Biden, Buttigieg and Sanders.
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December 7, 2019 9:59am
lastmanstanding

This Government makes Robert Mugabes Government look like pillars of upholding good governance principles.

Conflicts of interest.
Lack of transparency
Non Disclosure
The list goes on and on.

Such a pity so few citizens understand the principles of good governance and why they are important to ensuring ALL citizens are treated with respect and with equity.
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December 7, 2019 10:05am
- srylands
  
  No government or politician is perfect. John Key made mistakes. The conduct of the flag referendum. The pony tail thing. On the latter he was pilloried in left wing blogs and the media for months. It is the lack of symmetry that gets me.
  
  You may recall that Maurice Williamson was sacked because he made some inappropriate inquiries for a friend about a police investigation. I can’t recall all the details but IIRC it was at the minor end of offences. The left wing blogs screamed corruption and demanded blood. And now they are silent. Dead silent.
  
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  December 7, 2019 10:40am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    And Nick Smith was pursued relentlessly over the letter he wrote to ACC on behalf of a friend, which he foolishly sent on his Minister of ACC letterhead. As noted above, he was chased through Wellington Airport by the media pack, when he was on his way to the Beehive to resign his portfolios.
    
    In contrast to that, the media have been very kind to Kris Faafoi, Shane Jones, Winston Peters and Jacinda Ardern.
    
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    December 7, 2019 1:00pm
Maggie Pie

Listening to ZB earlier on waiting for Francessca Ruddkin’s film review of ‘The Irishman’. Heard Lame Jack admitting on air to buying himself “…a Mongolian woolen Shawl from the TradeAid shop” LOL!!

As my partner remarked, “WTF? You’d never hear Andrew Bolt say something like that”
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December 7, 2019 10:13am
Tall Man

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/05-12-2019/revealed-the-shocking-volume-of-an-intoxicating-drug-you-can-legally-buy/

A seriously stupid argument.

The limit of 14 grams is supposed to be a personal use amount but it would still be a level that would allow on selling to someone with limited funds… maybe a kid.
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December 7, 2019 10:16am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Research from the US suggests that cannabis users typically get three joints per gram of loose-leaf cannabis. So the daily allowance is enough for 42 joints. I’m sure there will be plenty of illegal on-selling going on.
  
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  December 7, 2019 1:02pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Exactly my point Tony and quite probably to those that are a little light on capital.
    
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    December 7, 2019 5:29pm
srylands

10 years on the report by Don Brash on how to improve New Zealand’s performance still resonates. John Key was determined to literally ignore it.

https://treasury.govt.nz/publications/information-release/2025-taskforce

Browsing it again, it is clear that in the last 10 years New Zealand has done the exact opposite of what he recommends. In contrast Australia is firmly set on a growth path.

Brash was a totally ineffective and unsuitable politician. But he is a smart guy.
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December 7, 2019 10:33am
mikenmildagain

No moderators available today?

[Mod: Are you volunteering? Some of us do have lives, you know]
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December 7, 2019 10:43am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I have volunteered before, but was told there were plenty of moderators. Happy to do my hare if wanted.
  
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  December 7, 2019 1:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Any post with the name “Trump” in it would be deleted – except for the TDS ones
    
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    December 7, 2019 2:48pm
  - Jack5
    
    Good typo, Milky.
    
    As the 18th century cookery book writer is supposed to have written in recipe for hare pie:first catch your hare.
    
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    December 7, 2019 5:07pm
    - Tall Man
      
      hair hair.
      
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      December 7, 2019 6:11pm
  - calendar girl
    
    Being “told there were plenty of moderators” may have been just a benign way to decline your application, mma.
    
    (Just kidding! I suspect that you would actually be very good at the job, knowing DPF’s blog as well as you do.)
    
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    December 7, 2019 5:28pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Depends whether the smarmy bug is catching.
      
      mikey seems the kind of guy that really enjoys his own witticisms……… read inane comments there.
      
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      December 7, 2019 6:10pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Your track record of Strikes and being a liar probably disqualifies you.
    Good.
    
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    December 7, 2019 5:36pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Feel free to volunteer yourself. Given your commitment to the truth, there would be lots of posts you could delete, right?
      
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      December 7, 2019 5:54pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Awwww
        Blub blub blub
        I’m too busy Smarmy
        I have a life
        
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        December 7, 2019 6:09pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Not too busy to respond to any criticism of your orange idol though.
        
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        December 7, 2019 6:27pm
- SGA
  
  Oh please do – the outcry would be worth it 🙂
  
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  December 7, 2019 2:05pm
- Tall Man
  
  We realise that but surely to god moderating can be shared around to enable a better flow on topics. What was the delay this am, 3 hours plus?
  
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  December 7, 2019 5:30pm
cmm

The whole reason for this democracy lark is that we should all be equal before the law. Parliament is supposed to be the oversight that ensures this. Instead, it is just an alternative of the courts and courtiers of an absolute monarchy.

At least the kings and nobles had the self-constraint of nobles oblige. Clearly that has failed us.

The whole purpose of juries etc is that we should all be equal before the law and that the judiciary do not just become a club dishing out favours.

Clearly juries are not enough if they can, effectively, be overruled by the judiciary. Again, another failure.
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December 7, 2019 10:58am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Well, that’s nonsense. If you make a jury’s verdict sacrosanct you remove the ability for a convicted person to appeal to higher courts – an essential remedy for the inevitable miscarriages of justice.
  An independent judiciary is a essential support for democracy, not a substitute for it.
  
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  December 7, 2019 11:23am
  - cmm
    
    MMA: That’s a ridiculous strawman. There is a middle ground.
    Judges continuously undermine the judicial process by their soft-cock sentencing.
    
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    December 7, 2019 4:42pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Bullshit. Judges apply the law, and create it if parliamentary intent is unclear or absent. If judges were actually undermining anything, the remedy is in parliament.
      
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      December 7, 2019 5:57pm
  - backster
    
    “An independent judiciary is a essential support for democracy,”
    Like Judge Russell Collins you mean.
    
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    December 7, 2019 5:23pm
Maggie Pie

Labor’s Minister of Health David Clarke says: “It’s important we have someone with strong financial skills to review spending of District Health Boards”

Appoints retired History Teacher to the role.
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December 7, 2019 11:06am
- igm
  
  Do you not recall when Lange and his cronies appointed unionists (Douglas and Campbell) to the board of BNZ . . . it nearly went to the wall and taxpayers had to bail it out.
  
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  December 7, 2019 2:33pm
artemisia

Auckland bus drivers on strike, NZBus suspends services and also striking drivers.

NZBus was recently sold off to private equity buyers. Clearly the new owners are taking a stand. Not too surprising when driver union members voted to strike by not collecting fares until 24 December.

How will those drivers and their families like heading into Christmas with no pay apart from union handouts? I guess much the same as NZBus, that also gets pinged with AT penalties. But has deeper pockets.
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December 7, 2019 11:08am
- greybeard
  
  What a surprise, a union demanding their members strike just before Christmas!
  Bad for bus users but much worse for bus drivers and associated support staff, who will not be paid.
  I bet the union organisers will be paid!
  Under National these useless strikes were almost eliminated.
  Filth.
  
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  December 7, 2019 4:03pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  But have you noticed the large number of thicko’s that still wait at the bus stops every day, even though there’s a strike on? LOL!!!!!
  
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  December 7, 2019 4:08pm
dave_c_

I see more and more, the NZ Police behaving like law enforcement personnel in the US.
No patience, and all too ready to shoot, with fatal consequences.
This trend is a real concern, and the threat to life grows by the month.
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December 7, 2019 11:16am
- MrLovebucket
  
  About time. They need bigger guns.
  
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  December 7, 2019 12:36pm
- Tall Man
  
  Only with those that are misbehaving I think.
  
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  December 7, 2019 1:00pm
rightoverlabour

Nothing like making up shit when you are a lefty Democrat ( or Labour Twat).

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2019/12/06/cnn-msnbc-use-same-deceptively-edited-video-as-democrats-in-impeachment-hearing/

I hope Trump slam dunks them, wins a second term and hunts them down like rats….
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December 7, 2019 11:28am
Maggie Pie

My partners mum tweets…. 😀

‘Worked for Phil the Greek’.
https://i.imgflip.com/3iobi0.jpg
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December 7, 2019 11:37am
- Inandout
  
  MP, Andrew obviously inherited his Dad’s penchant for a bit on the side, a bit on the front, and a bit at the back. The ‘lost years’ when Philip was cruising around the Pacific come to mind.
  
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  December 7, 2019 2:26pm
- Scooter
  
  They seem to have a history with car accidents.
  
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  December 7, 2019 7:22pm
Liberty

Teach your kid about the Labour Party by making them clean the bathroom. Pay them 10 for their work. Then take 7 of it back off them, and give the 7 to the neighbour’s kid for doing absolutely F all!

Found on Mail online
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December 7, 2019 11:50am
- MCos
  
  Alternatively get someone in to clean your house, round up the kids next door and take them all to a museum or somewhere engaging
  
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  December 7, 2019 1:50pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Sounds like the president’s idiot son (forget which one) who took half his daughter’s Halloween candy away to “teach her about socialism”.
  
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  December 7, 2019 1:55pm
- Liberty
  
  It appears the neighbour has two self entitled children.
  
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  December 7, 2019 5:59pm
curry4me

Here is the anti-Greta. I guess she won’t be addressing the UN, or Congress any time soon.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/12/05/meet-naomi-seibt-19-the-anti-greta-climate-heroine/
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December 7, 2019 11:53am
- Tall Man
  
  ”
  Greta Thunberg Calls on Facebook to Censor Her Critics”
  
  Chilling isn’t it?
  
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  December 7, 2019 1:05pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    It’s more than chilling. Scientists are labelled deniers and censured or removed from their positions, the MSM allow no dissent, radical protestors terrorise the public. This stupid bint gets to address the UN, with right of reply form those who challenge the narrative. Its been done before, ask the Jews in Germany, anybody in Russia or China, Vietnam, Cambodia, North Korea…. and we have idiots in the USA talking of World War Zero?
    
    https://www.theverge.com/2019/12/2/20991784/john-kerry-schwarzenegger-climate-change-world-war-zero
    
    Hopefully most of these idiots will freeze to death during the next few winters.
    
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    December 7, 2019 2:12pm
  - lifesgood
    
    What’s even more chilling is that FB probably will.
    
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    December 7, 2019 2:31pm
  - curry4me
    
    It’s the natural instinct of the ever lovin, ever lyin left.
    
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    December 7, 2019 8:35pm
curry4me

There have been protests in Iran. I guess they went down like a pork chop with the mullahs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWiyzmtfSG8
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December 7, 2019 11:54am
JibberJabber

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/12/05/meet-naomi-seibt-19-the-anti-greta-climate-heroine/
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December 7, 2019 12:02pm
dcrane

This is a good essay criticising the mainstream media’s “fake news by omission” tactic. Currently being deployed to avoid discussing the OPCW whistleblower scandal, which strongly suggests that the alleged Douma chemical weapons attack in Syria was a false flag set up by local insurgents to give the West cover to bomb Assad – and that many UN chemical weapons insprectors suspected this.

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/fake-news-by-omission-the-mass-medias-cowardly-distortion-tool-b80f3d0fe7e4
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December 7, 2019 1:57pm
-D

“Decolonization”…be very, very, concerned…
https://twitter.com/Chris85837420/status/1202963515792863233/photo/1
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December 7, 2019 2:00pm
- sooty
  
  Is that the treaty by another name?
  
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  December 7, 2019 6:37pm
Maggie Pie

Even so, I still want to order one for my cars rear window 😀

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELG-2dFXYAA9u23?format=jpg&name=small
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December 7, 2019 2:30pm
- Tall Man
  
  https://www.cafepress.com/+co2+bumper-stickers
  
  Knock yourself out 😉
  
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  December 7, 2019 6:04pm
Stephieboy2

The way Climate deniers and associated online trolls are trying to discredit and smear Greta Thurnberg.

Some float the absurd idea that Greta is fake impersonated by Australian Child actor named Estella Renee.

Utterly absurd but hey that is online trolling and unreason for you.

Then there are suckers like Dinesh D’Souza who weirdly claims as she is Nordic therefore in league with Nazis .

Naturally fake photos of her posing with Islamic Sate and George Soros etc.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/10/02/climate-change-activist-greta-thunberg-targeted-online-trolls/3843196002/

Would Kb posters like to add their absurd theories?
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December 7, 2019 3:32pm
- Tall Man
  
  Has it been a month already?
  
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  December 7, 2019 5:33pm
- Inandout
  
  I was watching footage of the 1949 Wyoming snow blizzard, caused by freak atmospheric clashes. For three days the state endured record deep snowfalls, but there was much kindness from farmers toward stranded motorists. Cattle died of course caught by the sudden freezing. I would imagine that freak Greta would have moaned and groaned about CO2 causing her car to be stuck.
  
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  December 7, 2019 6:13pm
- The King
  
  Making enemies with the hacker known as 4chan never ends well for anyone, ask Hillary Clinton.
  
  As my old man use to say…
  
  “Don’t play with the big dogs when you still pee like a puppy”
  
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  December 7, 2019 6:18pm
Maggie Pie

Ma just called and sounded a bit worried.
She wanted to know if we had any idea when Cindy was going to let all those Manus Island asylum seekers in here? Apparently there’s a few oldies in the Village that received this tweet and she reckons they’re quietly crapping themselves about it 🙁

https://twitter.com/V_of_Europe/status/1202988663942057985
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December 7, 2019 3:55pm
cut n paster

I hear it’s here, where the Public trough is introduced as a future employment option…
https://ibb.co/qx0SXPh
Summer Camp!
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December 7, 2019 4:16pm
Lance

Rocket Labs launched another rocket last night from New Zealand
Great live video, lots of material made available for the media.
But the coverage…. crickets

I thought ah ha.. the Herald were onto it today, a full half page with photos of a rocket launch, alas is was SpaceX.
Screeds of inane horseshit fill the NZ MSM sites/ pages/ screens but no mention of the collosal achievements of the NZ based space launch program.
I guess they shun science and engineering but instead want nothing but political scientists, basket weavers, beneficiaries and professional protestors.
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December 7, 2019 4:27pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Over 100 rockets are launched to orbit each year. Rocket Labs (10th?) launch is now routine.
  
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  December 7, 2019 5:07pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Not for me and I assume many others.
    
    But then you’re just so cool eh mikey, at least in your little world.
    
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    December 7, 2019 6:02pm
rouppe

A woman sunbathing topless is harangued by a group of 20.

Hmm. Group of 20. Conspicuous lack of ethnic detail of the offenders.

That will absolutely ensure I don’t draw any conclusions.
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December 7, 2019 4:36pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Sounds to me like visitors from Mt Roskill 🙁
  
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  December 7, 2019 5:30pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Oh heck
  Stephie will be stalking Point Chev beach from now on.
  
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  December 7, 2019 5:40pm
- IC5000
  
  Don’t let the absence of knowledge stop you from giving us your opinion. This is kiwiblog after all.
  
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  December 7, 2019 5:43pm
  - sooty
    
    Do you think they were bennies in a tent!
    Should have been out working, lazy sods!
    
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    December 7, 2019 6:26pm
- Inandout
  
  rouppe, no mention of the women offended being Christians so I presume they were libbers. Can’t think of anyone else.
  
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  December 7, 2019 6:22pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Put a scarf on and have another think……..
    
    Holidayed in Tonga a few years ago and a few lassies from Auckland arrived for a girls week. Topless was just the start. The track to the village went down the centre of the island but from that day all the blokes from the village wandered along the beach.
    
    The local ladies, not svelte by any means, turned extremely nasty and abusive to the young women and fisticuffs were just moments away at times but the managers sorted it out so it may not involve a scarf.
    
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    December 7, 2019 7:07pm
- DigNap15
  
  The silly thing was, from my quick read, she was an older woman, just adjusting her towel.
  So it was hardly some hot 20 years old flaunting her boobs….
  
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  December 7, 2019 7:52pm
- Hollyfield
  
  I had sympathy for the woman until she was quoted as saying “I’m only an A-Cup. It’s not like I’m a double-D.”
  
  She’s not happy to have her choice to display her topless body judged but she’s quite happy to judge other women choosing to display their topless bodies.
  
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  December 7, 2019 9:59pm
Jack5

Thunberg, the Swedish climate activist has been in Spain for a rally. The organisers claimed half a million turned out for the protest,but authorities put the number at 15,000.

Thunberg told the rally that “change is not going to come from the people in power, it’s going to come from the masses.”

Meanwhile, the Sydney Morning Herald reports:

Johan Rockstrom, director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, said social scientists believed that when roughly 3.5 per cent of a nation’s population joins “civil and non-violent uprisings” it can be enough to force change, even in a dictatorship.

In Germany, numbers at the climate demonstrations on September 20 were estimated at nearly 2 per cent of the population, and in New Zealand at 3.5 per cent, he said.
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December 7, 2019 5:08pm
- Tall Man
  
  3.5% is 175,000 of NZ population.
  
  I doubt that very much.
  
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  December 7, 2019 5:59pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/118022849/car-v-train-two-people-die-in-fatal-morrinsville-crash

Headline in stuff: “Barriers too late to save lives”.
What a misleading, ingenuous and maybe even cynical statement.
Everyone in the world knows that if someone is injured or killed by a train at a level crossing it is ALWAYS the fault of the motor-vehicle driver or the pedestrian.
Trains can’t just stop or slow down.
Every level crossing has SOME sort of warning sign / barrier / bells / lights / whatever.
It is ENTIRELY up to the pedestrian or motor-vehicle driver to take care.
The poor train drivers must have bloody nightmares for years after events like this.
But Stuff milks it for all it is worth: how despicable.
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December 7, 2019 5:51pm
- Tall Man
  
  Look at the number of numbnuts driving with earphones on.
  
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  December 7, 2019 5:59pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    And walking.
    Was driving in town the other day – coming up to a pedestrian crossing.
    Saw woman walking briskly along wearing earphones and looking down at some paper.
    Just had the feeling she was going to dive out onto the crossing without looking so slowed down.
    That is exactly what she did.
    Didn’t look, couldn’t hear.
    I was able to stop in time but she had no idea I was there. Shook her fist at me – because, of course, all my fault that she didn’t see me.
    
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    December 7, 2019 8:00pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I would have responded with the shake of 20% of the fist 😉
      
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      December 7, 2019 9:00pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  More trains coming soon
  
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  December 8, 2019 7:00am
mikenmildagain

I see a town in North Carolina has cancelled its Christmas parade because they fear protests against a float featuring the Confederate flag.
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December 7, 2019 6:07pm
- Tall Man
  
  Got some yanks cousins have you mikey… uncle dad maybe?
  
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  December 7, 2019 6:53pm
- Jack5
  
  The Confederate flags (which incidentally are banned from trading on Trade Me) are the tip of the Wokeberg.
  
  Several flags were associated with the Confederacy, and one of those used by Texas seems the same as the present ??????Texas flag. Are the Woke going to go after it?
  
  The line between North and South in the Civil War is fuzzier than many of us, as foreigners, think. Two of Abraham Lincoln’s brothers-in-law were officers in the Confederate Army. Grant, the Union commander, was the son-in-law of a substantial owner of slaves.
  
  Slave owner George Washington and others of the Founding Fathers of the United States are tainted in the eyes of the Woke, and no doubt will be future targets. Will they want the name of America’s capital renamed?
  
  The Woke have a vast range of historic figures they can rant about. At least they won’t change perceptions of Genghis Khan. Mongolians don’t give a desert rat’s arse for the views of the Woke.
  
  In NZ, historic white figures like Grey will be targeted as colonialists, as James Cook has. Meanwhile, in the distorted vision of the Woke, historic Maori chiefs will escape judgement for owning slaves, and, in some cases, eating them.
  
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  December 7, 2019 7:31pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Since Trade Me changed hands they have become sooo woke its ridiculous!
    My partner buys ans sells antique weapons. A few months age he listed for sale one of his ‘WW1 knuckle-dusted knifes’ at a dollar reserve.. Bidding had reached over 1ooo before TM removed the listing without warning. As he said at the time, “Go woke.. go broke”
    
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    December 7, 2019 7:54pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    No one is marching in a Xmas parade in NZ waving symbols to celebrate the Maori heritage of slavery…
    
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    December 7, 2019 7:59pm
    - Jack5
      
      It’s interesting that the “stars and bars” emblem of the Confederates seems to be the main logo of the Rebels motor-cycle gang, which has Maori members. These include one of the leaders, Aaron Graham, who was deported from Australia to New Zealand.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/97996921/new-zealand-rebels-gang-boss-aaron-aj-graham-kicked-out-of-australia
      
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      December 7, 2019 8:27pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Some?
    
    Read Te Wiremu, the letters of Henry Williams.
    
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    December 7, 2019 8:59pm
Wired-one

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/12/revealed-provincial-growth-fund-costing-484k-per-full-time-job.html

This is our money these incompetent twats are wasting on Winston’s re-election fund. When the hell are people in this country and our MSM in general going to wake up. These people are not fit to govern.
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December 7, 2019 7:37pm
Jack5

Bob Jones defends Garrick Tremain, the cartoonist under fire for his work in the Otago Daily Times that used the Samoan measles outbreak.

https://nopunchespulled.com/2019/12/06/garrick-tremain-a-national-treasure/#more-856
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December 7, 2019 8:07pm
Rodney Randall

drunk seniors take a work vehicle laden with gear for a drunk drive at an outdoor function. Drunk seniors are caught by workmate + Venue worker in another vehicle who raced after them. One perp still in the vehicle and and later photographed returning to the scene with co offender.

6 Keystone cops turn up and after 45 mins pre charge warnings are supposedly given despite zero arrests made. There were 3 eye witnesses who provided statements including wife of perp.

Cops arrogant on arrival and as I suspect ‘locals’ from the rural area.

“courts are full up with this type of offending and look at their age they would probably get diversion” – verbatim main cop.
Was he assuming their history?

STINKS OF CORRUPTION

THANKS LABOUR
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December 7, 2019 9:44pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  Had to deal with some arseholes in 20 years but never had arseholes get into a work vehicle and drive off full of thousands of dollars of gear at the end of a long day. No apology when confronted, nothing. VILE DRUNK RICH RURAL BASTARDS out of their minds.
  
  Workmate asked crowd members if anyone knew who took the vehicle?
  
  Audience yelled “FUCK OFF”
  
  As for the Police:
  
  UTTER WANKERS. THICK AS SHIT TOO. As useless as tits on a bull and (rightly or wrongly) strong stench/perception of corruption, covering for rich rural mates.
  
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  December 7, 2019 9:57pm
cut n paster

Meantime in the forest….
https://ibb.co/XycMS90
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